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[wmabern]

Hey folks!  

I know it's not earth-shattering, but I've put my three, slightly under-clocked S7's back on the pool. Hoping I can help out in some way. Unfortunately, I'll only be able to run them ~8 hours a day during the week and probably 16 hrs/day on weekends for now.

They are mainly doubling as space heaters spread around the house. Thus too loud to run during non-waking hours. If I had more power available in my "coin room", I'd put them in there and run 24/7. But they are barely turning profit as is and I would also loose the benefit of the heating assistance if they were in the room with the S9's.

So hopefully that massive ~13TH will help out some. One of the S7's found a block on here many moons ago. I think it was one of the S7's, but it may have been an S9. Anyway....

Let's solve some BLOCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
 

[kano]

I'm mining for approx ~4 days and yet to receive my first payout. I'm wondering if there's any support around? BTW; my stats can be found on www.kano.is/address.php?a=1PVKX97TKFAC24yxnFVB789DFC9BwkRqR3 (Mining with an under-clocked SP20E)... Any help would be much appreciated.

Yeah there's the last 2 payouts awaiting us finding a block as per Help->Payouts at the bottom https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout
The rest of your mining over the last month, has been rewarded already other than the dust of course.

[wmabern]

Let's solve some BLOCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
 

Damn, gotta unplug one of the S7's so I can do a load of laundry. Maybe I'll get a LONGGGGG extension cord and run it to my neighbors house for times like this. LOL
The perils of a home miner living on the electrical edge of breakers breaking.  
I'll have it back online after the last spin cycle.  

EDIT: The laundry is in the dryer. S7 crackn' those numbers again. Back to mining!! Yeehaahh! 
That is all. 

[huynhdat1989]

Our lucky is unstable. Is everything wrong with the Bitcoin market?

[philipma1957]

Our lucky is unstable. Is everything wrong with the Bitcoin market?

You need to stretch your mind a bit.

Think 30 days at a time .  Not daily .

Or leave a small pool go to a big one.

Small pools will have ups and downs day by day.

[huynhdat1989]

Our lucky is unstable. Is everything wrong with the Bitcoin market?

You need to stretch your mind a bit.

Think 30 days at a time .  Not daily .

Or leave a small pool go to a big one.

Small pools will have ups and downs day by day.

The point is I want to know more about Bitcoin. The difficulty just increasing and the lucky is unstable.

[kano]

Our lucky is unstable. Is everything wrong with the Bitcoin market?

You need to stretch your mind a bit.

Think 30 days at a time .  Not daily .

Or leave a small pool go to a big one.

Small pools will have ups and downs day by day.

The point is I want to know more about Bitcoin. The difficulty just increasing and the lucky is unstable.

Yes difficulty increases - pretty much every diff change every ~2 weeks (2016 blocks)
That's called 'more miners'

Variance is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance

[Sr.Urbanist]

Think 30 days at a time .  Not daily .

Good to note.  I must say this 70 hours between blocks gets a little ... unpredictable on the short.

Or leave a small pool go to a big one.

It looks like a lot of people have done that since October when you look at PH/s.  It also looks like PPS% was well below 91.9 the last few months.  As a small novice who believes in the idea of CKPool, and decrentralizations, I'd like to include others to join.  

It's good to know it takes a longer time span. It does seem to take a little while longer than I would expect to hit a block.

The point is I want to know more about Bitcoin. The difficulty just increasing and the lucky is unstable.

I think difficulty has to do with the number of miners and luck has to do with something on the blockchain.  I'm with you.  Good question.

[Sr.Urbanist]

Yes difficulty increases - pretty much every diff change every ~2 weeks (2016 blocks)
That's called 'more miners'

Can miners or pools be subject to attack?

[kano]

Yes difficulty increases - pretty much every diff change every ~2 weeks (2016 blocks)
That's called 'more miners'

Can miners or pools be subject to attack?

Yes - that's called withholding.

No other pool monitors it as well as I do.
I run a luck report that gives a full analysis of all hash power from different perspectives, over multiple time ranges every time before I run a payout.

It looks like a lot of people have done that since October when you look at PH/s.  It also looks like PPS% was well below 91.9 the last few months.  As a small novice who believes in the idea of CKPool, and decrentralizations, I'd like to include others to join.  
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It would probably be better to look at the web site rather than guessing, it says what the numbers are, which isn't:

It also looks like PPS% was well below 91.9 the last few months.

It has been under 95% once - December - in all the monthly data shown there for the last 7.x months.

[kano]

Meanwhile, there's indications that we're also the fastest full validation pool on the bitcoin network

That bitmain guy who pays for pretty much all the ckpool code changes, runs a web site that uses cgminer to track pool block changes, and of all the full validation pools that don't risk the security of the bitcoin network, we seem to regularly be at the top of the that section of list lately.
https://poolbench.antminer.link/

It's not an overly reliable measure, but it's interesting none-the-less.

[beltsniffer]

Our lucky is unstable. Is everything wrong with the Bitcoin market?

There is no such thing as stable luck. It not something you can control. The next share your machine, or my machine, or any other machine on the entire bitcoin network might be good enough to solve the block. Then again it might not. That's luck. It's the same as playing the lottery, the only control you have is how many tickets you buy. The more tickets you buy increases the chance of winning. No amount of skill, second guessing, dreaming the winning numbers, or buying it from leprechaun at the luckiest store in town guarantees the win. You are not guaranteed to win, unless you have every possible combination. You're odds of winning do not increase every week that you buy a ticket. Each drawing has it's own separate outcome and you have the exact same odds every drawing provided you have the same number of tickets. There is no cumulative effect. If your odds of winning are 100 million/1, that does not mean that if you play in 100 million drawings you will win one. You might win the first time, but you might never win.

In the bitcoin world, it's how many hash your machine produces or how many the pool you joined produces.

The current world wide hash rate is approximately 3,200,000,000,000,000,000 every second. That's a lot of hashes competing for the solution.

But you can't win if you don't play. 

[clgrissom3]

Block by cobramining!  This is your 15th Kano block and our 1st of the day!  

And 2 payouts just hit the wallet! 

[kano]

Block by cobramining!  This is your 15th Kano block and our 1st of the day!  

And 2 payouts just hit the wallet! 

A7v2

[beltsniffer]

Block by cobramining!  This is your 15th Kano block and our 1st of the day!  

And 2 payouts just hit the wallet! 

And a nice fat one too! 

[firetreeactual]

This is good. The starter on the truck just crapped out. 

[Sr.Urbanist]

It has been under 95% once - December - in all the monthly data shown there for the last 7.x months.

I had a typo.  I meant to say 99.1%, but your reference to 95% would lead me to think 95% in the CKPool is equal to 100% PPS in other pools because of including fees in the block?

Block by cobramining!  This is your 15th Kano block and our 1st of the day! 

And 2 payouts just hit the wallet! 

YEAH!!!!

[Sr.Urbanist]

This is good. The starter on the truck just crapped out. 

Stupid automobile and social engineering.  That starter would buy part of an S9.

[kano]

It has been under 95% once - December - in all the monthly data shown there for the last 7.x months.

I had a typo.  I meant to say 99.1%, but your reference to 95% would lead me to think 95% in the CKPool is equal to 100% PPS in other pools because of including fees in the block?

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Well if you compare to a PPS pool, they are 100% minus the pool fee.
So, e.g. if they charge a 3% fee, then their payout is 97% PPS

The PPS% number on the right is the average PPS paid to everyone on the pool.
It's shown on the top "Block Statistics" table and the "Monthly Statistics" table.
The blue ? at the top right of the "Block Statistics" table explains it when you click on it

Of course it's not an exact PPS value, just the average for "the block count" or "the month", since we're PPLNS not PPS
So if you've mined the whole month with the same hash rate you should have got very close to that PPS% number for the month.
The actual amount can be above or below it depending on when you mined, your hash rate, the pool hash rate and luck during that.

It's simply "mean txn%" * "luck%" * 0.991
0.991 subtracts the pool fee

Since the Mean Tx% is quite high, it easily pushes us above 100% PPS if luck for the month is the expected 99%
As the January figure shows, a Luck% for the month of 96.7% still averaged a bit over 101% PPS here

[Sr.Urbanist]

Well if you compare to a PPS pool, they are 100% minus the pool fee.
So, e.g. if they charge a 3% fee, then their payout is 97% PPS

Gotcha. Plus, most do not include transaction fees in the block reward.

Of course it's not an exact PPS value, just the average for "the block count" or "the month", since we're PPLNS not PPS
So if you've mined the whole month with the same hash rate you should have got very close to that PPS% number for the month.
The actual amount can be above or below it depending on when you mined, your hash rate, the pool hash rate and luck during that.

I think I'm picking up what you're putting down.  I don't exactly understand the role of luck beyond a "measurement" or "evaluation" tool.

It's simply "mean txn%" * "luck%" * 0.991

As a way to try comparing PPLNS with PPS, but not necessarily payments because of the complexities of factors - such as my little S3 went down last night for seven hours.

Thanks for your accessibility and responses. I really like the 5n system - once I figured it out. I think I'll point my S9s here once they arrive from BITMAIN and give PPLNS a go.