CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded GPU kernels.

[sp_]

I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.   (amd r9 280x)
125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.
Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.
500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.

I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)

There is a big difference between giving out the sourcecode and selling bin files. I offer to publish the sourcecode as well.
Nicehash/westhash is hashing over 60 GIGHAHASH of quark every day. Even if I publish a miner that does 10MHASH on the 280x nobody will use it,
because the russian closed source miner is doing  14MHASH++

My opensource NVIDIA quark miner is doing 28.5 MHASH on the 980ti. My closed source is over 30MHASH

[NiceHashSupport]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

Wait with OpenCL offers for now, we need to put sgminer in NiceHash Miner first.

But if you have CUDA optimizations, we are ready to discuss the deal now!

[chrysophylax]

I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.   (amd r9 280x)

125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.

Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.

500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.

I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)

private miner - there maybe a chance someone would look at it ... but that is WAY too much btc for even that ...

unless there was exclusivity AND absolute private mining - even that would be an 'iffy' situation ...

i would do a deal for thefarm - but not at those rates ... and it would have to be an exclusive deal for a period of time ...

so nicehash may be able to afford it - but whether they would even look at that much would be quite questionable ... especially released as open source ...

so all this talk about opensourcing as opposed to private mining - the answer is right there ...

#crysx

[chrysophylax]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

Wait with OpenCL offers for now, we need to put sgminer in NiceHash Miner first.

But if you have CUDA optimizations, we are ready to discuss the deal now!

there you have it ...

#crysx

[NiceHashSupport]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.

We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

[sp_]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

Well the small miners with a few gpu's will use it.  Perfect for the nicehash miner.
The big miners already have faster private kernals, and they don't use Nicehash. They solomine/ create their own private pools.

The difference between the opensource miner and the best private kernals can be as much as 700%.
Mining on AMD with the opensource is not profitable. Mining with the private kernals is a million dollar business..

[pallas]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.

We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

[theotherme]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

[sp_]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

Let's say I get a bounty of 6BTC from doing a quark kernal that does 10MHASH.
Would you be angry if I modify and use your groestl opensource and give you 0 BTC?

[pallas]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

Let's say I get a bounty of 6BTC from doing a quark kernal that does 10MHASH.
Would you be angry if I modify and use your groestl opensource and give you 0 BTC?

It happened already. It happens always with opensource. It's up to you if you wonna donate. If I didn't want people to use it, I wouldn't have opensourced it.
If by doing that you break the licensing, that's a completely different matter.
If you sleep well after doing that, that depends on your moral.

[sp_]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

[sp_]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

Let's say I get a bounty of 6BTC from doing a quark kernal that does 10MHASH.
Would you be angry if I modify and use your groestl opensource and give you 0 BTC?

It happened already. It happens always with opensource. It's up to you if you wonna donate. If I didn't want people to use it, I wouldn't have opensourced it.
If by doing that you break the licensing, that's a completely different matter.
If you sleep well after doing that, that depends on your moral.

The private farms sleep well.
They earn millions. They migh use your work without paying you a dime.

[pallas]

nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

Let's say I get a bounty of 6BTC from doing a quark kernal that does 10MHASH.
Would you be angry if I modify and use your groestl opensource and give you 0 BTC?

It happened already. It happens always with opensource. It's up to you if you wonna donate. If I didn't want people to use it, I wouldn't have opensourced it.
If by doing that you break the licensing, that's a completely different matter.
If you sleep well after doing that, that depends on your moral.

The private farms sleep well.
They earn millions and use your work without paying a dime.

I know that. I have other opensource works (crypto unrelated) in the same situation. Still I continue to write opensource programs. I just see past the direct and sudden profit.
BTW, I don't understand where you are going: you did release opensource code, didn't you?

[sp_]

I know that. I have other opensource works (crypto unrelated) in the same situation. Still I continue to write opensource programs. I just see past the direct and sudden profit.
BTW, I don't understand where you are going: you did release opensource code, didn't you?

Yes, and I don't complain when other people use and improve my work to get a few beers in tips.
I like opensource.
I believe opensource is the only  way to make this cryptocurrency thing work.
We need to spread the hash to avoid that the biggest farms get 90% of the network and the profit..

[lemp]

@sp   I sent you a private message, why do not you answer?

[sp_]

@sp   I sent you a private message, why do not you answer?

I have answered now.

[theotherme]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

is it even possible ? (I mean one can't increase the hashrate to infinity...)
Also I never looked much into quark because an other dev was already working on it (ie yourself...) and was working on other things as well.

[NiceHashSupport]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

is it even possible ? (I mean one can't increase the hashrate to infinity...)
Also I never looked much into quark because an other dev was already working on it (ie yourself...) and was working on other things as well.

Quark highly unlikely, except if you manage to throw out 1/3 of instructions.

But algorithm like X11 is seriously underpowered on CUDA and this is where we have our interests in.

It also depends which GPUs do benefit. A kernel (and settings) optimized for broad specter of Maxwell cards (not only 750 ti and 970, but also for 950, 960, 980, 980ti and titan) is of course worth more.

[sp_]

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

is it even possible ? (I mean one can't increase the hashrate to infinity...)
Also I never looked much into quark because an other dev was already working on it (ie yourself...) and was working on other things as well.

Quark highly unlikely, except if you manage to throw out 1/3 of instructions.
But algorithm like X11 is seriously underpowered on CUDA and this is where we have our interests in.
It also depends which GPUs do benefit. A kernel (and settings) optimized for broad specter of Maxwell cards (not only 750 ti and 970, but also for 950, 960, 980, 980ti and titan) is of course worth more.

I think x11@4,5MHASH is possible on the 750ti(50%), but it is alot of work. Worth alot more than 2 BTC..

In sgminer everybody is mining with closed source binaries. Why don't you make another bounty without the opensource part. The binaries can be used everywhere anyway.. To beat the closed source binaries is difficult and alot of work.. Remember that wolf0 once had his 70% faster x11 sourcecode for sale for 50BTC. Everybody complained about the price, but today everybody is using his work because somebody stole it and published the binaries.

Dash and the other x11 algos have a Net hashrate of more than 200GHASH per day. Wolf0's binaries have generated millions of coins to the miners.
 

[sp_]

Look's like the profit in mining quark is declining.

The sharkcoin is down 10% on a million dollar volume.



Etherum is up on a million dollar volume



Still a 30 million loss for the the investors.