GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[elkrisi]

Once you have that stench on you it won't ever wash off. People will always accuse you of being a GAW scam.

I am not going to put you on ignore, that's not my style, your welcome to your own opinion - and I will defend your right to have your own opinion, and as someone who doesn't know me personally, you cant judge me.

Whilst I was a moderator on HT, I was not, never have been, nor ever will be, a GAW employee.

I also understand that Mud Sticks, and that some people can be incredibly narrow minded

I'm not judging you, I don't really care I'm just saying others will because there are lots of kooks out there that see a conspiracy everywhere 

Sorry, this is witch hunting...

We can't hold anyone responsible for GAW except the very narrow circle of persons driving the whole scam: Garza, Mordica et al.

Being a mod does not automatically mean one has any active participation in the scam. GAW started as a legit company offering mining hardware and the move to the cloud was something that made sense at the time. Things are not black and white and when it comes to scams, no scam starts with flashing lights and sky-high signs WE ARE SCAM - WE ARE SCAM...

One gets involved and then it takes time to realize that things go wrong. The deeper one is involved, the harder it is to admit that this is wrong, the more one gives the benefit of the doubt, waiting for things to come as expected.

We can't blame people for taking part in GAW just for taking part. I was an early customer, I have bought hardware from them and gradually became involved only as customer. I have been shadow banned in HT for speaking my mind so I know the toxic, fascist environment HT still is. However, I can not and will not hold each and every moderator responsible for the actions of the inner circle of Garza.

I support BitCoin since 2010 for the FREEDOM crypto brings to our lives. Only very few people realize that with FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY. And this means that we ourselves have to take responsibility for our actions and judgement. If the whole fuss about GAW scam is to protect the innocent then let's start by being sober, serious and JUST.

[TracerX]

I've been poking around on the "new" Paycoin site and have to assume that the Build-a-Business Challenge is going to be the "next thing" GAW rolls out to continue to prop up their scam.  Josh Garza could be your personal business mentor, you could get a "major award" as well as 100K in funds (XPY, anyone?) to help you start a business on top of a ponzi scam!

[strangerdanger101]

[elkrisi]

 
That's what centralized power can do for you: when you want to sell its Error Processing Sale - when you want to buy everything works.
But even without this, hey, they can report anything they like 

[puwaha]

Looks like HT exmods have their own forum now:

http://forum.gethashing.com/

No thats not our own forum, far from it - have a read about and see what its all about

Well, in my defense I need to point out that when you open the site and see a lot of familiar names... that's the first thought that comes to mind.

GHcloud, GHpool, GHexchange... don't mean any disrespect, but I'll believe it when I see it

I don't know... looks like a scam to me.

[kupan787]

Someone is self-moderating themselves out of this thread. 700, 699, 698 pages now. Soon we'll be back in August and buying those $16 Primes

Could it be GAW CEO and the other hash talkers that came over back in the day for the impromptu qa be scrubbing up here as well?

[Paul Revere]

I've been poking around on the "new" Paycoin site and have to assume that the Build-a-Business Challenge is going to be the "next thing" GAW rolls out to continue to prop up their scam.  Josh Garza could be your personal business mentor, you could get a "major award" as well as 100K in funds (XPY, anyone?) to help you start a business on top of a ponzi scam!

[blacklizard]

I don't know... looks like a scam to me.

That would require the acceptance of some sort of payment of which there is none. Please make up your mind some other day.

Btw, love the GAWminers referral link in your signature. :p

[bitcoinnoisseur]

Someone is self-moderating themselves out of this thread. 700, 699, 698 pages now. Soon we'll be back in August and buying those $16 Primes

Could it be GAW CEO and the other hash talkers that came over back in the day for the impromptu qa be scrubbing up here as well?

I can't see any other logical explanation at this point. A thorough search of their posts is in order but people would have to remember what was said and when to see if those posts are missing. I'm going to look for Josh's posts that I know were in a discussion I was in.

[puwaha]

I don't know... looks like a scam to me.

That would require the acceptance of some sort of payment of which there is none. Please make up your mind some other day.

Until proven otherwise, everything is a scam to me right now.  Sarcasm... out.

Btw, love the GAWminers referral link in your signature. :p

I leave it in to bolster my credibility.

[Paul Revere]

I don't know... looks like a scam to me.

That would require the acceptance of some sort of payment of which there is none. Please make up your mind some other day.

Until proven otherwise, everything is a scam to me right now.  Sarcasm... out.

Btw, love the GAWminers referral link in your signature. :p

I leave it in to bolster my credibility.

[Honeycutt22]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/28057/amagi-metals-xpy/3

Amagi metals MAY take XPY as payment... Someone well versed in this issue should contact them with crypto worlds view on Paycoin.

[10BTCaDay]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/28057/amagi-metals-xpy/3

Amagi metals MAY take XPY as payment... Someone well versed in this issue should contact them with crypto worlds view on Paycoin.

Everyone should contact Amagi metals and make them aware of the paycoin scam.

[Paul Revere]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/28057/amagi-metals-xpy/3

Amagi metals MAY take XPY as payment... Someone well versed in this issue should contact them with crypto worlds view on Paycoin.

Everyone should contact Amagi metals and make them aware of the paycoin scam.

Sounds about right. When I was searching for a place to buy Silver&Gold with BTC I saw a lot of complaints about Amagi (On this forum as a matter of fact) relating to extremely long deliveries and overcharging, so they sound like a great partner for GAW.

Edit to add in reply to honeycutts post below so as to not add another somewhat off-topic post: I have not dealt with Amagi, but when looking saw a couple of critical reviews and ended up trying Agora instead . The issues people had/have with amagi may well have been teething issues and from I read in the Amagi thread most people are satisfied. Also, is Amagi based in Europe? This may be a factor in deliveries to US customers and explain some delays. I know that Agora is based in Cheyenne. WY.

[Honeycutt22]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/28057/amagi-metals-xpy/3

Amagi metals MAY take XPY as payment... Someone well versed in this issue should contact them with crypto worlds view on Paycoin.

Everyone should contact Amagi metals and make them aware of the paycoin scam.

Sounds about right. When I was searching for a place to buy Silver&Gold with BTC I saw a lot of complaints about Amagi (On this forum as a matter of fact) relating to extremely long deliveries and overcharging, so they sound like a great partner for GAW.

Hrm... Not to derail the thread... But I heard good things about them, that's why I was upset when they may take XPY.. Never used them though.

[T0urist]

Someone is self-moderating themselves out of this thread. 700, 699, 698 pages now. Soon we'll be back in August and buying those $16 Primes

It'll be joshs posts going away. tell me we have this archived somewhere?

[TheMage]

Our success here has inspired me.

I'm thinking about starting the same type of investigative thread about ltcgear here:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22433.720

If you are interested or know anything about ltcgear, feel free to check it out.

Not sure if anything has changed due to the recent issues, but LTCGear used to have even more rabid fans than GAW. I thought about starting a red flag list similar to this thread back in September and figured that it's futile, seeing how high profile litecointalk mods and many trusted members here were so in love with it. Now I wish I hadn't chickened out and done it - isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.

Anyway, good luck with it, let us know where to visit.

lol rabid fans is not really what LTCgear has, its just a monumental amount of people wanting to get rich quick big difference  .

Also, by high profile I hope you arent talking about me. I try very hard to stay as neutral as possible and to be honest the only reason I got sucked into that mess is the unbelievable amounts of mod reports I get. Being neutral doesn't mean "being in love".




Now back on topic.............I'll just leave this here

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113249/altcoins-dropping-off-coin-swap-in-boycott-against-gaw-miners

[PhiPhi]

Once you have that stench on you it won't ever wash off. People will always accuse you of being a GAW scam.

I am not going to put you on ignore, that's not my style, your welcome to your own opinion - and I will defend your right to have your own opinion, and as someone who doesn't know me personally, you cant judge me.

Whilst I was a moderator on HT, I was not, never have been, nor ever will be, a GAW employee.

I also understand that Mud Sticks, and that some people can be incredibly narrow minded

I'm not judging you, I don't really care I'm just saying others will because there are lots of kooks out there that see a conspiracy everywhere 

Sorry, this is witch hunting...

We can't hold anyone responsible for GAW except the very narrow circle of persons driving the whole scam: Garza, Mordica et al.

Being a mod does not automatically mean one has any active participation in the scam. GAW started as a legit company offering mining hardware and the move to the cloud was something that made sense at the time. Things are not black and white and when it comes to scams, no scam starts with flashing lights and sky-high signs WE ARE SCAM - WE ARE SCAM...

One gets involved and then it takes time to realize that things go wrong. The deeper one is involved, the harder it is to admit that this is wrong, the more one gives the benefit of the doubt, waiting for things to come as expected.

We can't blame people for taking part in GAW just for taking part. I was an early customer, I have bought hardware from them and gradually became involved only as customer. I have been shadow banned in HT for speaking my mind so I know the toxic, fascist environment HT still is. However, I can not and will not hold each and every moderator responsible for the actions of the inner circle of Garza.

I support BitCoin since 2010 for the FREEDOM crypto brings to our lives. Only very few people realize that with FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY. And this means that we ourselves have to take responsibility for our actions and judgement. If the whole fuss about GAW scam is to protect the innocent then let's start by being sober, serious and JUST.

I disagree, I see many (not all) of these ex HashTalk mods as GAW enablers who actively suppressed many concerned members who dared to ask difficult, awkward questions, often berating them before pointing them to non answers given by Josh elsewhere.  In my opinion they can see the writing on the wall and are trying to distance themselves from the 'Great Leader' a.s.a.p.

Hashlets was my first real venture into crypto and mining and my experience of HT was seeing members post concerned, measured questions similar to what I was wanting to ask and them being shot down or goaded into making a bannable response by the faithful, all of this supported or orchestrated by the commissars better know as Mods.

Yes Josh and his management team should be the prime focus but let's not forget they had help.  I often speculate what benefits the mods gained, insider information, free hashlets, hashpoints, etc. but I'm sure that's covered by the NDA.

[galdur]

Those scumbags banned me for complaining about slow withdrawals

while I was escaping from this scam. Screw them.

Fucking collaborators. I guess amoral junk attracts more of the same.

[strangerdanger101]

Our success here has inspired me.

I'm thinking about starting the same type of investigative thread about ltcgear here:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22433.720

If you are interested or know anything about ltcgear, feel free to check it out.

Not sure if anything has changed due to the recent issues, but LTCGear used to have even more rabid fans than GAW. I thought about starting a red flag list similar to this thread back in September and figured that it's futile, seeing how high profile litecointalk mods and many trusted members here were so in love with it. Now I wish I hadn't chickened out and done it - isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.

Anyway, good luck with it, let us know where to visit.

lol rabid fans is not really what LTCgear has, its just a monumental amount of people wanting to get rich quick big difference  .

Also, by high profile I hope you arent talking about me. I try very hard to stay as neutral as possible and to be honest the only reason I got sucked into that mess is the unbelievable amounts of mod reports I get. Being neutral doesn't mean "being in love".




Now back on topic.............I'll just leave this here

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113249/altcoins-dropping-off-coin-swap-in-boycott-against-gaw-miners

Great article thanks for sharing that!