GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[bitcoinnoisseur]

so much for being an upstanding church going family.

being a hypocrite makes him a perfect church member

Hey lets keep this on track of him being a scammer and not start insulting billions of people.

Truth hit a little close to home for ya, eh?

No I think you're obviously dragging your personal beliefs into a thread that has nothing to do with it, faith has no part of Josh and Gaw selling false miners, stealing money, lying about a floor, and instamining. What you're doing is being a dickhead, you have no clue on my religious views but I sure have a clue on yours and when it has nothing to do with the topic on hand lets just keep them that, ours.

Yep, sounds like I nailed it. Try this on for size: fuck you and the god you rode in on, ya sanctimonious rube. Who the fuck do you think you are telling me what is proper to say and what is not?

+10

I think I just made a new friend. All I would have added is that faith has a HUGE part in Josh and GAW defrauding everyone. They worship him and follow him blindly. The proof of that is that they are still supporting him and denying the validity of all the evidence. They sure as hell refuse to believe Josh has been fucking them since day 1 and that that was his plan all along. So either they can't comprehend a single thing they read or they are weak minded faithful fools. I would bet the farm that many if not all are religious.

[alienesb]

so much for being an upstanding church going family.

being a hypocrite makes him a perfect church member

Hey lets keep this on track of him being a scammer and not start insulting billions of people.

Truth hit a little close to home for ya, eh?

No I think you're obviously dragging your personal beliefs into a thread that has nothing to do with it, faith has no part of Josh and Gaw selling false miners, stealing money, lying about a floor, and instamining. What you're doing is being a dickhead, you have no clue on my religious views but I sure have a clue on yours and when it has nothing to do with the topic on hand lets just keep them that, ours.

Yep, sounds like I nailed it. Try this on for size: fuck you and the god you rode in on, ya sanctimonious rube. Who the fuck do you think you are telling me what is proper to say and what is not?

+10

I think I just made a new friend. All I would have added is that faith has a HUGE part in Josh and GAW defrauding everyone. They worship him and follow him blindly. The proof of that is that they are still supporting him and denying the validity of all the evidence. They sure as hell refuse to believe Josh has been fucking them since day 1 and that that was his plan all along. So either they can't comprehend a single thing they read or they are weak minded faithful fools. I would bet the farm that many if not all are religious.

It's not religion that blinds and binds them, it's greed.

[maildir]

Subject:    we need to talk
Date:    Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:07:55 -0400
From:    Josh Garza <josh@gaw.com>
To:    Joe Mordica <joe@geniusesatwork.com>



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.msg8440483#msg8440483

the got the location, so we need to prepare for them coming over, creepy
*
*
*Josh Garza*
*CEO*
GAW
280 North Main Street, Suite 2
East Longmeadow, MA 01028

[favdesu]

Something interesting here. I know that the initial Email from Josh came out a while back, but I do not recall seeing the replies that are here. Josh states flat out the the $20 Floor was a promise made to sell Paycoin and that it can not be honored, yet they intend to proceed anyways. FRAUD, plain and simple.
I think there are more emails related to this one, I will continue to chase these after the next coat of paint here.

pretty sure price manipulation is a serious crime. I imagine the US 3 letter agencies are having a field day in this inbox right now

[tomewok]

so much for being an upstanding church going family.

being a hypocrite makes him a perfect church member

Hey lets keep this on track of him being a scammer and not start insulting billions of people.

Truth hit a little close to home for ya, eh?

No I think you're obviously dragging your personal beliefs into a thread that has nothing to do with it, faith has no part of Josh and Gaw selling false miners, stealing money, lying about a floor, and instamining. What you're doing is being a dickhead, you have no clue on my religious views but I sure have a clue on yours and when it has nothing to do with the topic on hand lets just keep them that, ours.

Yep, sounds like I nailed it. Try this on for size: fuck you and the god you rode in on, ya sanctimonious rube. Who the fuck do you think you are telling me what is proper to say and what is not?

+10

I think I just made a new friend. All I would have added is that faith has a HUGE part in Josh and GAW defrauding everyone. They worship him and follow him blindly. The proof of that is that they are still supporting him and denying the validity of all the evidence. They sure as hell refuse to believe Josh has been fucking them since day 1 and that that was his plan all along. So either they can't comprehend a single thing they read or they are weak minded faithful fools. I would bet the farm that many if not all are religious.

It's not religion that blinds and binds them, it's greed.

Money is a religion.

[TeamButtcoin]

lol maybe it is time to go look through those moderator chatlogs that got posted:

From: Jonah Dorman <jonah@btc.com>
To: Andy Beal <andy@crowleystrategy.com>
Cc: David McLain <dave@geniusesatwork.com>
Subject: Re: So angry at GAW now
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:26:53 -0500

Josh tends to speak semi-freely inside the moderator chat.  Without knowing
the content he holds I am unsure of the level of concern.  Judging by how
"official" statements are twisted and skewed and used against us, I can
only assume that daily chatter would be a magnitude worse.

So yes, I am quite concerned.



--
*Jonah Dorman*
*General Manager*
GAW Miners LLC
O: (860) 222-2631
C: (727) 386-6825
________________

[maildir]

Wall Street Journal 'hoodwink'

note the inclusion of poor fuddy duddy fraser to lend credibility to it all  

Homero puked:

 In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one of our mining addresses.

We have signed it for you as conformation!

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW

rest of the caper here:

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Subject: 	Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of fraud.
Date: 	Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:39:26 -0500
From: 	Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
To: 	Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com>
CC: 	mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mjlindenberger@gmail.com>, Stuart Fraser 
<SFRASER@cantor.com>, Daniel Kelley <dan@geniusesatwork.com>



See you on the call.

In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is 
confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one 
of our mining addresses.
*
*
*We have signed it for you as conformation!*

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW

GAW Miners Security team has signed the following message: 
"11-26-2014 GAW Miners/WSJ" using the cryptographic private key for this 
address.   The message hash is: 
"IC7XJZ9Ymp1RwnIpFVpCvv9bl5tYqXifPa0rrpG0RrtmCRbRDvranFVxtWMu3rW8RVwxJMLkuxFKNeybR/4plbk=" 
  To cryptographically verify ownership of this address there are 
several online services. BrainWallet.github.io 
<http://brainwallet.github.io/> is a trusted open source platform which 
provides a method of verifying messages. 
https://brainwallet.github.io/#verify

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
11-26-2014 GAW Miners/WSJ
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW
IC7XJZ9Ymp1RwnIpFVpCvv9bl5tYqXifPa0rrpG0RrtmCRbRDvranFVxtWMu3rW8RVwxJMLkuxFKNeybR/4plbk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE——


*As you can see, with just one of our addresses, and we have moved over 
26k Bitcoins in just the last few months. This is 9.5 millions dollars 
at todays pricing.*
*
*
Also, here is Bitmain confirming a recent order of 5 petahash. around 4 
million.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827552.msg9378239#msg9378239

Finally, I have also attached the address of our main data center (and 
the lease)

*All of this is highly confidential information and should not be shared 
to anyone.*


*Josh Garza*
*CEO- *GAW Corp

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Casey, Michael J <Michael.Casey@wsj.com 
<mailto:Michael.Casey@wsj.com>> wrote:

    OK folks, so I need responses in general to the allegations that
    you’re by now well aware of. And to the extent to which there is
    more solid proof, rather than simply a denial, that will be better.
    It will make it seem less like you’re being evasive and giving
    fodder to your critics who say it’s a scam.____

    __ __

    I’m not a position either way on behalf of any of these criticisms.
    And it seems to me that part of the problem is that the bitcoin
    community is full of some very passionate and inherently mistrusting
    people. They are also going to be especially suspicious of any 
    operation that  is perceived to be centralized, run by a for-profit
    corporation, even though, as you argue,  that may be the only
    approach that will bring cryptocurrency into the mainstream. But
    with  the barrage of comments attached to my article and the emails
    I received, it is now impossible for us to not at least write about
    the claims against you. ____

    __ __

    Before we met I’d seen such claims on Reddit and thought it as part
    of the usual trolling that occurs within bitcoin land and typical of
    all the loosely defined “pump and dump” allegations that are leveled
    at pretty much every altcoin or the claims of fraud place on all
    mining service providers. Also, I did some due diligence on you guys
    and you were very helpful and constructive in that regard, including
    the interview with Stuart. That was a constructive approach and it
    gave me confidence. So, I felt that although I can’t back up your
    numbers you clearly have a solid track record and sound business
    associates, so I was happy to run with the article. ____

    __ __

    Sadly, though – rightly or wrongly -- the response to it changes the
    calculus, both for me and for you. (The fact that you’d broadcast
    that there would be a story in WSJ and then openly discussed how and
    when it might run didn’t help, by the way. It puts me in an awkward
    position. Word to wise: don’t do that again with us or any other
    news organization. It can only make life difficult for you.) I now
    need to do a follow-up to acknowledge that these concerns exist. We
    want to get this out today. ____

    __ __

    So, here are the questions, most of which I’m sure you’ve
    encountered before.____

    ____

    __1.__The big one: That this is a Ponzi scheme. What can you provide
    to show that there are actual coins being mined and payments being
    made from them? Are there mining addresses you can reveal that show
    significant bitcoin mining activity to match the claim that you
    account for 50% of new online mining capacity? (Or 90% of Litcoin?) ____

    __2.__What’s the breakdown for that 50% claim? Over what time frame?
    Is that for BTC only or BTC , Litcoin etc. ____

    __3.__Are there other details that you can provide to verify the
    size of your Mississippi operation? An address that allows us to
    search it on Google Earth and street view, for eg.. (Also any very
    recent photos of the inside of the plant and mining rig racks.)?____

    __4.__Why Mississippi? How do you maintain a low-cost operation in a
    state that averages max temperatures year-round of about 75 degrees?
    ____

    __5.__I take it that some of the payments on a hashlet that a
    customer receives comes from trading revenues and some from a pool
    of assets that Gaw mines, in addition to direct mining revenue. Can
    you break out those flows for me? Is there an average across all
    clients?____

    __6.__And if, as various observers say, it’s extremely difficult for
    someone to break even on any cloud mining contract given the
    struggle to keep up with rising difficulty, low prices, etc., then
    isn’t it the case that eventually there will be a pool of
    misfortunate hashlet traders left holding the bag? How do explain
    that there are perpetual gains to be had from owning and trading
    hashlets over time? How do you keep the supply of hashing power up?____

    __7.__Related to that prior question: A static cloud mining contract
    is a depreciating asset by definition, so long as the BTC price is
    flat or falling. How is a hashlet different from that? How can I
    claim that it has upside value? Is this because of the capacity to
    “amp it?” But if so, isn’t the cost of doing so going to rolled into
    the price as well?____

    __8.__Most importantly, if trading and/or investments in a pool of
    assets is part of the business model, is it regulated by the SEC? Do
    your lawyers believe it doesn’t need to be? Are you seeking
    regulation? Where does that stand? ____

    __9.__Critics have described the hashpoint program for pre-ordering
    hashcoin/paycoin as a scheme to cover for the fact that payouts on
    hashlets started to decline early in the fall as difficulty rates
    rose. What’s your answer to that? ____

    __10.__ In general, there’s a view that all cloud mining needs to be
    far more transparent. That fund flows could and should be provably
    posted on a blockchain-based system. What do you say to that?____

    __11.__Critics say the Hashtalk forum is aggressively moderated,
    with dissenters barred and their comments removed. What’s your
    response to that? The same critics also say that you pay supporters.
    Response?____

    __ __

    __ __

    Thanks for your prompt response. ____

    Best wishes, ____

    Michael____

    __ __

    __ __

    __ __

    Michael Casey____

    Senior Columnist, Global Finance____

    The Wall Street Journal____

    212-416-2209 <tel:212-416-2209> (o)____

    914-409-8733 <tel:914-409-8733> (m)____

    michael.casey@wsj.com <mailto:michael.casey@wsj.com>____

    Twitter: @mikejcasey____

    __ __

    __ __

    *From:*Josh Garza [mailto:josh@btc.com <mailto:josh@btc.com>]
    *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:49 AM
    *To:* Casey, Michael J
    *Cc:* mjlindenberger@gmail.com <mailto:mjlindenberger@gmail.com>;
    Stuart Fraser; Daniel Kelley
    *Subject:* Re: We need to do a follow-up on these allegations of
    fraud.____

    __ __

    As it turned out, this guy said it better then I could. ____

    https://hashtalk.org/topic/19923/my-thoughts-on-recent-external-blog-posts-and-the-comments-that-arise____


    On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com
    <mailto:josh@btc.com>> wrote:____

    There are no charges, but the opinions of the same people over and
    over. ____

    __ __

    As I told you on the phone, it's the same few dozen people doing
    this over and over again. Additionally, we confirmed a while back
    that the majority have been hired by competitors. That's that
    happens in this industry when you take customers from other
    companies.____

    __ __

    Honestly, I am just as surprised by this email. The same way you
    mention proof, every troll that makes these allegations has none.
    It's the same story over and over. ____

    __ __

    "I think gaw is doing bad things" "what's your proof" "well there is
    none, I just think that are"____

    __ __

    To add to that, we recently broke 200k customers. If 1% of our
    customers did not like us, it would be 4 times the amount of
    complainers we have. These guys are just loud.____

    __ __

    I am happy to answer any questions you have.

    On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Casey, Michael J
    <Michael.Casey@wsj.com> wrote:____

    Josh, I’m really quite stunned by the comments that have poured into
    the story. It is elephant in the room that demands a follow-up
    story. We are now compelled to address the charges that GAW is a
    fraudulent operation. ____

    I had seen claims that GAW was a scam on Reddit and elsewhere, but I
    see such claims throughout the mining  and altcoin industries,
    legitimate or otherwise  -- it is, as you say, germane to the
    bitcoin community.  So didn’t deep much deeper. I now regret that,
    and if you were aware of those charges against you I think it would
    have behooved you to have gotten ahead of such claims by laying them
    all out in the first place and then providing irrefutable proof to
    shoot them down. Now, we’re both doing repair work. ____

    I did follow-up with some of your business associates and looked
    into your past dealings, checked out the hashcoin white paper, and
    felt confident that you had a big operation underway. But now with
    these overwhelming responses (from a group that might well be just
    disgruntled traders), I need to do a significant amount more work,
    specifically related to proof of the mining operation, its size and
    the capacity to consistently pay out ROI based on actual mined
    coins, as well as into the handling of the hashtalk.org
    <http://hashtalk.org> forum. ____

    So  I’ll need your cooperation in responding to some of  these
    charges and to the various questions that I’ll have as follow-ups.
    (I’ll get back to you with those shortly.) You can see this as a
    chance to put to bed once and for all these serious allegations
    against you. ____

    Regards,____

    Michael ____

    ____

    ____

    Michael Casey____

    Senior Columnist, Global Finance____

    The Wall Street Journal____

    212-416-2209 <tel:212-416-2209> (o)____

    914-409-8733 <tel:914-409-8733> (m)____

    michael.casey@wsj.com <mailto:michael.casey@wsj.com>____

    Twitter: @mikejcasey____

    ____

    ____

    *From:*Josh Garza [mailto:josh@btc.com]
    *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:40 PM
    *To:* Casey, Michael J
    *Subject:* Thanks____

    ____

    For the piece____

    ____

    I wanted to quickly address your comment on the phone about the us
    letting the public know we has spoken. Long and short is I am used
    to more reginal publications where a story typically runs the day
    after. I have gotten used to letting customers know where to look
    when a story is about to come out. I did not understand coming to
    meet with you was more of a meet and greet. So sorry for the
    confusion is caused.____

    ____

    While I am just as weirded as you guys with the characters in this
    industry (on both extremes), I am glad people care.____

    ____

    *Josh Garza*
    *CEO- *GAW Corp____

    ____

    “The information contained in this email message may be
    confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use,
    distribution, disclosure or copying of this information is
    prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please tell us by
    return email and destroy this communication and any attachments from
    your system.”____



    -- ____

    __ __

    *Josh Garza*
    *CEO- *GAW Corp____

    __ __



    -- ____

    __ __

    *Josh Garza*
    *CEO- *GAW Corp____

    __ __

[Puppet]

Code:

2014-07-30 19:12:03 <Tim Davis> SpaceX is great.
2014-07-30 19:12:04 <Josh Garza> Yea, I have one of those Falcon 9 rockets too
2014-07-30 19:12:06 <Tim Davis> Love those things.
2014-07-30 19:12:13 <Josh Garza> It was a gift from elon
2014-07-30 19:12:40 <Tim Davis> I met Elon about a month ago here in Cali.
2014-07-30 19:12:54 <Josh Garza> SpaceX uses a few of my patents for reaching the moon.
2014-07-30 19:12:58 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Absolutely
2014-07-30 19:13:06 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Wow
2014-07-30 19:13:12 <Josh Garza> So we worked on a few together, and he sent one to my house. 
2014-07-30 19:13:24 <Josh Garza> For may last birthday
2014-07-30 19:13:27 <Josh Garza> I filled it with XPY and launched it
2014-07-30 19:14:04 <Josh Garza> Did not quite reach the moon :(

[bb2ebb]

someone ever gets 12 BTC through Xpy hahaa 

[jimmothy]

Wall Street Journal 'hoodwink'

note the inclusion of poor fuddy duddy fraser to lend credibility to it all  

Homero puked:

 In the mean time. My tech guys gave me this for you. Note: This is confidential, and should not be share with anyone else. This is just one of our mining addresses.

We have signed it for you as conformation!

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

Here is the address that is likely to be the one mentioned in the WSJ blog:

https://blockchain.info/address/1P62VZZ9kL97dzzcWhG7JZDssaW2MDgn82

It was traced to Zen withdrawals (or deposits, don't remember which) as well as GAW sig campaign payouts.

There were no newly generated coins found to be coming into it.

Here's the other GAW wallet, same story on the newly minted coins.  

https://blockchain.info/address/18Yrkm5cRqT1MiqwAUBDcN64hWb1pLutsW?offset=0&filter=0

It's amazing that so many rumors/conjectures/conspiracy theories turned out to be accurate, while practically everything that came out of JG's mouth (or fingertips) was outright lies.

[energico]

-07-30 19:12:03 <Tim Davis> Tesla is great.
2014-07-30 19:12:04 <Josh Garza> Yea, I have one of those too
2014-07-30 19:12:06 <Tim Davis> Love those cars.
2014-07-30 19:12:13 <Josh Garza> It was a gift from elon
2014-07-30 19:12:40 <Tim Davis> I met Elon about a month ago here in Cali.
2014-07-30 19:12:44 <Jacob Wheeling> Haha. Something about those Shelbys I love. Just raw power.
2014-07-30 19:12:46 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Nice. I am waiting for mine from him. He ignores me however.
2014-07-30 19:12:48 <Tim Davis> One of my heros
2014-07-30 19:12:54 <Josh Garza> Tesla uses a few of my patents
2014-07-30 19:12:58 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Absolutely
2014-07-30 19:13:06 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Wow
2014-07-30 19:13:12 <Josh Garza> So we worked on a few together, and he sent one to my house
2014-07-30 19:13:24 <Josh Garza> For may last birthday
2014-07-30 19:13:27 <Josh Garza> My
2014-07-30 19:13:51 <Jacob Wheeling> Nice present!
2014-07-30 19:13:56 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Definitely
2014-07-30 19:14:04 <Josh Garza> Have not talk to him in over a month
2014-07-30 19:14:23 <Josh Garza> Well, besides text
2014-07-30 19:14:34 <Josh Garza> But he is not a guy to keep bothering
2014-07-30 19:15:14 <unknown_100345444655821864408> That is cool.
2014-07-30 19:15:20 <unknown_100345444655821864408>  I am a bit jealous.
2014-07-30 19:15:38 <Josh Garza> Don't be, he just like anyone else
2014-07-30 19:15:44 <Josh Garza> Just smarter lol
2014-07-30 19:15:59 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I would love to meet him.
2014-07-30 19:16:13 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I am not somebody who likes famous people but I would like to shake his hand
2014-07-30 19:16:47 <Josh Garza> You can, he is pretty easy to access
2014-07-30 19:17:01 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Brb
2014-07-30 19:20:06 <Jacob Wheeling> That's pretty cool!
2014-07-30 19:21:02 <Jacob Wheeling> So you also run a Internet company Josh?
2014-07-30 19:22:49 <Josh Garza> Among other things

What the fuck....Garza is such a loser.

Edit: ran a patent search for Homero Josh Garza. Guess what? ZERO results. Surprise, surprise.

Does the fucking idiot not realize half the shit he spews out of his mouth is easy to disprove? Like "let me spend 15 seconds" easy.

(sidenote: I also tried the search with the name "Chris Smith", which yielded 16 results, so the search works)

[cooldgamer]

Let's frontpage this shit

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32w9b3/gaw_miners_lied_about_the_911_donation/

[seedtrue]

-07-30 19:12:03 <Tim Davis> Tesla is great.
2014-07-30 19:12:04 <Josh Garza> Yea, I have one of those too
2014-07-30 19:12:06 <Tim Davis> Love those cars.
2014-07-30 19:12:13 <Josh Garza> It was a gift from elon
2014-07-30 19:12:40 <Tim Davis> I met Elon about a month ago here in Cali.
2014-07-30 19:12:44 <Jacob Wheeling> Haha. Something about those Shelbys I love. Just raw power.
2014-07-30 19:12:46 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Nice. I am waiting for mine from him. He ignores me however.
2014-07-30 19:12:48 <Tim Davis> One of my heros
2014-07-30 19:12:54 <Josh Garza> Tesla uses a few of my patents
2014-07-30 19:12:58 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Absolutely
2014-07-30 19:13:06 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Wow
2014-07-30 19:13:12 <Josh Garza> So we worked on a few together, and he sent one to my house
2014-07-30 19:13:24 <Josh Garza> For may last birthday
2014-07-30 19:13:27 <Josh Garza> My
2014-07-30 19:13:51 <Jacob Wheeling> Nice present!
2014-07-30 19:13:56 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Definitely
2014-07-30 19:14:04 <Josh Garza> Have not talk to him in over a month
2014-07-30 19:14:23 <Josh Garza> Well, besides text
2014-07-30 19:14:34 <Josh Garza> But he is not a guy to keep bothering
2014-07-30 19:15:14 <unknown_100345444655821864408> That is cool.
2014-07-30 19:15:20 <unknown_100345444655821864408>  I am a bit jealous.
2014-07-30 19:15:38 <Josh Garza> Don't be, he just like anyone else
2014-07-30 19:15:44 <Josh Garza> Just smarter lol
2014-07-30 19:15:59 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I would love to meet him.
2014-07-30 19:16:13 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I am not somebody who likes famous people but I would like to shake his hand
2014-07-30 19:16:47 <Josh Garza> You can, he is pretty easy to access
2014-07-30 19:17:01 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Brb
2014-07-30 19:20:06 <Jacob Wheeling> That's pretty cool!
2014-07-30 19:21:02 <Jacob Wheeling> So you also run a Internet company Josh?
2014-07-30 19:22:49 <Josh Garza> Among other things

What the fuck....Garza is such a loser.

Edit: ran a patent search for Homero Josh Garza. Guess what? ZERO results. Surprise, surprise.

Does the fucking idiot not realize half the shit he spews out of his mouth is easy to disprove? Like "let me spend 15 seconds" easy.

(sidenote: I also tried the search with the name "Chris Smith", which yielded 16 results, so the search works)

I think he actually does own some crappy patent for some kind of iframe ad-server or something like that. Cannot remember the details, but he made a big deal about it even though it was not relevant whatsoever to zencloud.

[HashieNewb]

All I said was that they planned some of it. There was no proof of that before this, now we have the text. No need for personal attacks.

I didn't say it was a well thought out plan or anything like that. I just thought it would be interesting and relevant to this thread.

clearly the planning never hit the "get the right documents to and approval from the SEC" stage or the "have enough capital on hand to enable this" stage (but got announced anyways

Yesterday I was reading a discussion between Josh and one of the lawyers and he clearly stated that the Honors Program would not work, not just because of legality. Josh acknowledged this, and proceeded anyways. What imbeciles like ikeboy can not come to grips with is the Homero lies to EVERYONE, not just the suckers like him. He needed the GAW team(at least most of them) to believe that they were working on something real, when he knew full well it was all just a puff of smoke being used to but more time to dump more XPY.

I will try to dredge that Email up again.

I'm looking through some of these emails now. Which date was that email? Maybe it was like the email with paycoin, where he claimed to realize a problem before launch?

I don't get how anything I said now implies that I don't think Josh is capable of lying to everyone.

And "writing up a plan for employees to see" is still "planning". I'd like to see that email you refer to though, if I can't find it myself.

What the fuck ever asshole. Get reading or don't, I am not your bitch.

post is a bit late but putting ikeboy on ignore makes this thread much better...oddly he is still the only consistent ignore I have set ... the others just seem to paycoin away
:-)

[kcal63]

While I am still reading through the recent data dumps, one thing has become quite clear.
Garza is utterly clueless about what is and is not legal. both in private communications and in recent forum posts he openly admits to both committing and conspiring to commit crimes. It is almost unbelievable.
His overinvested (stuck) hashtards have become vicious rabid shills willing to try just about anything to attempt to revive the price of their dying crap coin.
Can Homero really be stupid enough to believe that hiding out in Dubai will protect him just because the US does not have an extradition treaty in place? He obviously has no idea how justice works in that part of the world.

These are now well known crypto definitions but I expect them to become widely used Soon(tm).

Garza'd = Fucked over and shit on.

Paycoin'd = Conned, usually blatantly so.

[energico]

-07-30 19:12:03 <Tim Davis> Tesla is great.
2014-07-30 19:12:04 <Josh Garza> Yea, I have one of those too
2014-07-30 19:12:06 <Tim Davis> Love those cars.
2014-07-30 19:12:13 <Josh Garza> It was a gift from elon
2014-07-30 19:12:40 <Tim Davis> I met Elon about a month ago here in Cali.
2014-07-30 19:12:44 <Jacob Wheeling> Haha. Something about those Shelbys I love. Just raw power.
2014-07-30 19:12:46 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Nice. I am waiting for mine from him. He ignores me however.
2014-07-30 19:12:48 <Tim Davis> One of my heros
2014-07-30 19:12:54 <Josh Garza> Tesla uses a few of my patents
2014-07-30 19:12:58 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Absolutely
2014-07-30 19:13:06 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Wow
2014-07-30 19:13:12 <Josh Garza> So we worked on a few together, and he sent one to my house
2014-07-30 19:13:24 <Josh Garza> For may last birthday
2014-07-30 19:13:27 <Josh Garza> My
2014-07-30 19:13:51 <Jacob Wheeling> Nice present!
2014-07-30 19:13:56 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Definitely
2014-07-30 19:14:04 <Josh Garza> Have not talk to him in over a month
2014-07-30 19:14:23 <Josh Garza> Well, besides text
2014-07-30 19:14:34 <Josh Garza> But he is not a guy to keep bothering
2014-07-30 19:15:14 <unknown_100345444655821864408> That is cool.
2014-07-30 19:15:20 <unknown_100345444655821864408>  I am a bit jealous.
2014-07-30 19:15:38 <Josh Garza> Don't be, he just like anyone else
2014-07-30 19:15:44 <Josh Garza> Just smarter lol
2014-07-30 19:15:59 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I would love to meet him.
2014-07-30 19:16:13 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I am not somebody who likes famous people but I would like to shake his hand
2014-07-30 19:16:47 <Josh Garza> You can, he is pretty easy to access
2014-07-30 19:17:01 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Brb
2014-07-30 19:20:06 <Jacob Wheeling> That's pretty cool!
2014-07-30 19:21:02 <Jacob Wheeling> So you also run a Internet company Josh?
2014-07-30 19:22:49 <Josh Garza> Among other things

What the fuck....Garza is such a loser.

Edit: ran a patent search for Homero Josh Garza. Guess what? ZERO results. Surprise, surprise.

Does the fucking idiot not realize half the shit he spews out of his mouth is easy to disprove? Like "let me spend 15 seconds" easy.

(sidenote: I also tried the search with the name "Chris Smith", which yielded 16 results, so the search works)

I think he actually does own some crappy patent for some kind of iframe ad-server or something like that. Cannot remember the details, but he made a big deal about it even though it was not relevant whatsoever to zencloud.

If he does own a patent, it's not in his name.

[cryptodevil]

Hey Homero, quick, recoup all your customers losses through this DRK/DASH exploit whilst the going is still good.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026547.0
How to get free Bitcoin by exploiting a DASH InstantX

Problem solved, everybody happy! No?

[seedtrue]

While I am still reading through the recent data dumps, one thing has become quite clear.
Garza is utterly clueless about what is and is not legal. both in private communications and in recent forum posts he openly admits to both committing and conspiring to commit crimes. It is almost unbelievable.
His overinvested (stuck) hashtards have become vicious rabid shills willing to try just about anything to attempt to revive the price of their dying crap coin.
Can Homero really be stupid enough to believe that hiding out in Dubai will protect him just because the US does not have an extradition treaty in place? He obviously has no idea how justice works in that part of the world.

These are now well known crypto definitions but I expect them to become widely used Soon(tm).

Garza'd = Fucked over and shit on.

Paycoin'd = Conned, usually blatantly so.

I would think its hard to find an agency that cares much about cryptos. Maybe a special side division or something.

However, these allegations of defrauding the 9/11 memorial fund. That is something that hits home. I would guess any and all agencies would like news about something like this.  

[bitpop]

So tesla needed adware iframes and flew Homero in to install them? Homero couldn't code an iframe to save his life.

[bitcoinnoisseur]

-07-30 19:12:03 <Tim Davis> Tesla is great.
2014-07-30 19:12:04 <Josh Garza> Yea, I have one of those too
2014-07-30 19:12:06 <Tim Davis> Love those cars.
2014-07-30 19:12:13 <Josh Garza> It was a gift from elon
2014-07-30 19:12:40 <Tim Davis> I met Elon about a month ago here in Cali.
2014-07-30 19:12:44 <Jacob Wheeling> Haha. Something about those Shelbys I love. Just raw power.
2014-07-30 19:12:46 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Nice. I am waiting for mine from him. He ignores me however.
2014-07-30 19:12:48 <Tim Davis> One of my heros
2014-07-30 19:12:54 <Josh Garza> Tesla uses a few of my patents
2014-07-30 19:12:58 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Absolutely
2014-07-30 19:13:06 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Wow
2014-07-30 19:13:12 <Josh Garza> So we worked on a few together, and he sent one to my house
2014-07-30 19:13:24 <Josh Garza> For may last birthday
2014-07-30 19:13:27 <Josh Garza> My
2014-07-30 19:13:51 <Jacob Wheeling> Nice present!
2014-07-30 19:13:56 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Definitely
2014-07-30 19:14:04 <Josh Garza> Have not talk to him in over a month
2014-07-30 19:14:23 <Josh Garza> Well, besides text
2014-07-30 19:14:34 <Josh Garza> But he is not a guy to keep bothering
2014-07-30 19:15:14 <unknown_100345444655821864408> That is cool.
2014-07-30 19:15:20 <unknown_100345444655821864408>  I am a bit jealous.
2014-07-30 19:15:38 <Josh Garza> Don't be, he just like anyone else
2014-07-30 19:15:44 <Josh Garza> Just smarter lol
2014-07-30 19:15:59 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I would love to meet him.
2014-07-30 19:16:13 <unknown_100345444655821864408> I am not somebody who likes famous people but I would like to shake his hand
2014-07-30 19:16:47 <Josh Garza> You can, he is pretty easy to access
2014-07-30 19:17:01 <unknown_100345444655821864408> Brb
2014-07-30 19:20:06 <Jacob Wheeling> That's pretty cool!
2014-07-30 19:21:02 <Jacob Wheeling> So you also run a Internet company Josh?
2014-07-30 19:22:49 <Josh Garza> Among other things

What the fuck....Garza is such a loser.

Edit: ran a patent search for Homero Josh Garza. Guess what? ZERO results. Surprise, surprise.

Does the fucking idiot not realize half the shit he spews out of his mouth is easy to disprove? Like "let me spend 15 seconds" easy.

(sidenote: I also tried the search with the name "Chris Smith", which yielded 16 results, so the search works)

I think he actually does own some crappy patent for some kind of iframe ad-server or something like that. Cannot remember the details, but he made a big deal about it even though it was not relevant whatsoever to zencloud.

If he does own a patent, it's not in his name.

He has a few. His real name is Homero Joshua Garza. They are all with Stuart Fraser ironically.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/homero-joshua-garza