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[Gleb Gamow]

I suggest you guys take a look at my last post where I 100% expose the lying sack of shit Leroy Fodor: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.msg10787412#msg10787412

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[Grinder]

What's the point of beating around the bush? If it claims to do any kind of mining or trading and make a lot of money and is open for anyone to "invest" then it's a scam. It really is as easy as that. I can't even be bothered to figure out exactly how they do it anymore. Unfortunately the wishful thinkers on this forum will never learn, so the scams will continue to flourish.

[cyberpinoy]

Gleb YOU prove nothing, You lie, you compare things unrelated to me, You assume I am associated with things that do not involve me, you copy sections of things that are not even mine, you keep bouncing about when I started in bitcoins and when I started in mining, you are an attention starving troll. the bottom line about your thread as you continue to dig and dig twist and twist and embellish, but at the end of the day the truth about your stupid thread

Your claim about me and wolvman being the same person DISPROVED
Your claim about KC and ME connected  DISPROVED
Your claim I lied about my bitcoin business ventures being lies DISPROVED
Your claim I offered you a cut for promoting my business DISPROVED
Your claim I deleted a cyberpinoy twitter account DISPROVED
Your claim my business is a SCAM  DISPROVED!!!!

I will not be baited by you any longer.

[Puppet]

PLease take this stakeminer shit elsewhere; its got nothing to do with cloudmining.

[BombaUcigasa]

In addition if anyone did deposit 40BTC we would have to do an investigation to the funds. A 40 BTC investment is very large for anyone to throw around and before we applied that amount to the pool where it could effect our other investors in a negative way, we would have to find any way possible that those funds are legit.

Lol, ok....

As with any Mining business there is always risk, No one in any of these business can ever guarantee you anything. If they do try to they are lieing.

Well, legitimate business can guarantee they actually buy miners with my equipment, demonstrated with invoices and supplier statement. They can also demonstrate they still own the miners by providing fresh coins or pool participation. In case of liquidation there should be legal support from their state of residence, court enforcement, liquidation of assets and so on. Bitmain for example offers voluntary liquidation of hardware assets if the contract is terminated.

This doesn't stop things like AMhash theft and run-away, or fake companies that only exist on a website they built to take your funds. You should start thinking about provable guarantees for your clients...

Anyway, what you do is cloud staking, not mining. Puppet is in his rights to maintain his rules on this thread.

[suchmoon]

This image actually shows  something

http://i57.tinypic.com/vzbt01.jpg

Wow - a screenshot! Do you have one with more money on it?

[Mabsark]

Here's definitive proof that ClearHash.Net is a ponzi. There also seems to be a clear link to Eobot.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994246.0

[flyingplows]

MiningSweden, how about rating this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979103 ?

[Mabsark]

MiningSweden, how about rating this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979103 ?

The payments trace back to BTC Guild at least.

13VeGaUy7etLcwJe3mbYxkEEDJfZYsu2Ca (Payout address) < 14u1finZobAPzZHSDt1ZAoLfRWuBVcaNkV < 1HqMYmjsYyAsEf8papVQLFU48BbNa2eiA4 < 1K1LV33CaKmrh6gqQVVArtHCyeugN8hw9S < 14cZMQk89mRYQkDEj8Rn25AnGoBi5H6uer (BTC Guild)

[Superhitech]

MiningSweden, how about rating this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979103 ?

The payments trace back to BTC Guild at least.

13VeGaUy7etLcwJe3mbYxkEEDJfZYsu2Ca (Payout address) < 14u1finZobAPzZHSDt1ZAoLfRWuBVcaNkV < 1HqMYmjsYyAsEf8papVQLFU48BbNa2eiA4 < 1K1LV33CaKmrh6gqQVVArtHCyeugN8hw9S < 14cZMQk89mRYQkDEj8Rn25AnGoBi5H6uer (BTC Guild)

So does that mean they are actually mining? Is BTC Guild their mining pool?

[Mabsark]

MiningSweden, how about rating this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979103 ?

The payments trace back to BTC Guild at least.

13VeGaUy7etLcwJe3mbYxkEEDJfZYsu2Ca (Payout address) < 14u1finZobAPzZHSDt1ZAoLfRWuBVcaNkV < 1HqMYmjsYyAsEf8papVQLFU48BbNa2eiA4 < 1K1LV33CaKmrh6gqQVVArtHCyeugN8hw9S < 14cZMQk89mRYQkDEj8Rn25AnGoBi5H6uer (BTC Guild)

So does that mean they are actually mining? Is BTC Guild their mining pool?

Yes and Yes.

[Sine(X)]

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/03/20/an-overview-of-the-current-state-of-bitcoin-cloud-mining/

"But even in these extremely competitive times, there are some companies willing to stand tall:

1) Bitcoin Cloud Services – While other companies were busy contemplating ways to cut down on their expenses, Bitcoin Cloud Services rewarded its customers with lucrative discounts for a week. The company announced the “1st Year Anniversary Discounts” this month.

2) CloudHashing – Even though the most trusted cloud mining company is taking a step back in increasing its market presence, it has no plans to shut down its shop. The company’s website is still offering hashing power to those interested in mining the cryptocurrency.

3) Hashop.io – Comparatively a small player in the Bitcoin cloud mining business, Hashop is still welcoming customers who wish to become miners.

4,5) Other mentionable names in the industry are Genesis Mining and ZEUSHASH.com"

Wow.. What is a shame advertise of scammers..! And where is Hashnest and Bit-X?
I thought newbtc is a respected resource.

[BombaUcigasa]

Wow.. What is a shame advertise of scammers..! And where is Hashnest and Bit-X?
I thought newbtc is a respected resource.

Give them 2 BTC and they'll publish anything...

[AirWolf]

Puppet, you hypocrite and accomplice, bear the shame and guilt to have misled many people that truly believed in your word, and you will bear that forever if you have a little decency on you.

The least you could do is return the tips the people has sent to you, including mine.

[Puppet]

Dont confuse your inability to read with me misleading anyone. Nothing I wrote about AMhash was or is incorrect. Anyone who trusted and followed my advice has not lost a satoshi.

And coming from someone who grossly insulted anyone warning pbmining customers, who proclaimed to have gotten 170 BTC from that scam, its a bit rich to accuse me of anything.

Oh, and your gigantic $5 or whatever donation Ill gladly donate to all miners as a transaction fee whenever I feel like syncing my wallet again, but there is no chance in hell Im sending you a satoshi.

[BombaUcigasa]

Puppet, you hypocrite and accomplice, bear the shame and guilt to have misled many people that truly believed in your word, and you will bear that forever if you have a little decency on you.

What did he do? Claim a specific operation was illegitimate and that turned to be honest?

[l3sny]

Exactly. kryptologika.com is a one of them.

[shulio]

Wanted to share my experience with HashOcean here. It is rare to see a positive message when it comes to any cloudhashing sites it seems. I am a customer of HashOcean . I tried them first to include doing the guaranteed refund process they offer. I invested 2btc total over a 3 week period. A week after I asked for a refund as I didn't like the service. My 2btc was back in my wallet within 24 hours of my request.
I am now reinvesting into the service and recommend people give them a try. If nothing else go get the 15kh/s they give away free and just let it collect you some btc slowly over time or let it build more hash .

[link]

Yes it is a referral link or you can simply go to: http;//hashocean.com if your not into using referral links.

This is more like asking people to join the scam factory instead of giving them a review, and i found this very weird, why do you asked for a refund and then reinvest them back as you dont like their services?this is a very fake vouches and a ponzi is still a ponzi no matter if you actually gain profit from the site

[BombaUcigasa]

Exactly. kryptologika.com is a one of them.

Kryptologika          1+2+3+4+*          => */7 = Ponzi -> passthrough of AMhash which is defunct. Currently operating as fractional reserve/ponzi.

At the start, the maintenance fees have been as low at $0.11 per GH/s (denominated in Polish zloty) per month. The good news is that this is also changing for the benefit of the users, starting in September. A 2% reduction of fees was offered to Kryptologika users due to an increasing client base and availability of better pricing in China.

Kryptologika since the beginning has used many services always looking for the best prices. Before that we mined on our own equipment, at various stages used different providers.

Amhash problem does not affect kryptologika in a scale that would require suspending operations or any emergency communication.

So basically we are buying GH/s for 0.0012 and offering them at kryptologika making profits on the price difference and maintenance difference.
At the moment we have 4180.00 GH/s on hashie.co  
to verify that you have to enter my e-mail address here:
http://amhash.com/hashie/index.php

The remaining 382GH/s is still on hashnest as I was not able to sell all the GH/s there.

You see we have not promised to buy back at fixed prices should the shares be falling like stones. It is entirely up to our customers to decide.

So basically if you are buying shares in kryptologika you are also investing in physical silver.

This company is at a very high risk of ponzi default as I see the public discussions. They are 100% exposed. They just resell mining power, they don't seem to have actual miners. If hashnest goes down as well, they have 0 production. But hey, at least they have silver... which you purchased along with your share already ... or something...

So no, Kryptologika is ponzi as fuck!

[alani123]

Puppet, you hypocrite and accomplice, bear the shame and guilt to have misled many people that truly believed in your word, and you will bear that forever if you have a little decency on you.

What did he do? Claim a specific operation was illegitimate and that turned to be honest?

Puppet's claims were actually spot on most of the times. He was really cautious with using the word "legit". I wish he could start updating OP again.