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December 07, 2012, 06:26:17 AM
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Gigavps received an updated list and Nastmining received the 1st version of its list with 98.15% of the shares accounted for

So it seems Nefario has been busy today  Grin


LOL,
So funny to read this nonsense about "shares"... read up on China Law guys.


Go away from this thread, 52 years old Hong Kong troller. I'm a private equity practitioner in China and a board member of ASICMINER, we have researched the law far more deeper than your "read-up-on" troll. The legalization is totally practicable and are in our plan.

P.S. You Hong Kong guys know nothing about the mainland now, and that's why nearly Hong Kong accent now are treated as a sign of loser in the Mainland investment industry. We just know that you Hong Kong guys don't know.

What you mean is the "losers" in Hong Kong demand a higher level of security and auditing, and have indeed busted many...many mainland companies and accountancy firms for fraud.(even the Americans have finally understood)
You cannot LEGALLY offer shares in a private company, unless you the shareholder is an employee of the company.

If you are indeed "Private equity" give us your details, and the so called details of the laws and areas applicable.
Also be good enough to show you business certificates/licenses to do foreign trade, and you government approval licenses for foreign investments.
and finally YOUR license, as a legalized "equity practitioner", so I may check with the local authorities

However by the professionalism of your reply I would guess you are just a minor line jockey making stuffed toys.

http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/SEHK/2012/1129/LTN20121129439.PDF
http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/SEHK/2012/1121/LTN20121121288.pdf
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A reply to your post at your level, It describes your reply down to a tee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkqfa-kaRFM

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What you mean is the "losers" in Hong Kong demand a higher level of security and auditing, and have indeed busted many...many mainland companies and accountancy firms for fraud.(even the Americans have finally understood)
You cannot LEGALLY offer shares in a private company, unless you the shareholder is an employee of the company.




No, loser, by calling you a loser means that you HongKong guys are usually self-righteous but we just find you know nothing at all. You don't know how to get to contact with the potential entrepreneur, and your Madarian sucks, and you HK guys always mix English words when you speak Chinese, which have make you far away from the local entrepreneurs. Of course, you hongkong private equity investment managers are scammed frequently in Mainland, which brings huge loss to the behind investors. You don't know how to handle the relationship with local government, which is a key to earn success financial return here. Hong Kong private equity professionals working in China are mostly stupid, do you understand?



If you are indeed "Private equity" give us your details, and the so called details of the laws and areas applicable.
and finally YOUR license, as a legalized "equity practitioner", so I may check with the local authorities

Loser, I tell you the truth. Private equity is an industry which are mainly self-regulated worldwide. In mainland, the regulation entity is the NDRC (I 100% sure you have to google to know what this mean), and it is the reputation, experience and networking that is important. And as I am not raising money from you loser, I have no need to disclose my identity to you.

"license".....

The regulation system for private equity is a record keeping system, but not an approval system.  

no one have asked any "license" question in our industry. For example, the IDGVC China branch has been found since 1992, and they are the investors of Sohu.com, dangdang.com and xunlei.com, and I was a member of the DD team which represented the most wealthy institutional investors in China, we have checked tons of paperworks and digital records, but no one actually had asked Quan Zhou for a "licence".  

I think if I wanna fuck kiss your mother I need to get a licence from you, but if I wanna raise a private equity fund, I need just the recognition and trust of our private investors and then registered through a simple process in the local industrial and commercial bureau, then put a simple records at the local NDRC. I need no licence. If I wanna do something with your ass, I will apply a licence from you.


You cannot LEGALLY offer shares in a private company, unless you the shareholder is an employee of the company.




 As we have our plans to make ASICMINER 99% legal, as legal as other oversea listed Chinese companies, the existing structure is still defensible according to the Mainland law. And I will not talk about any more here publicly, as our board members are all standing with us.

We will not answer any questions here as you have show us enough that you are just a troller and coming to our thread with hostility.  We have to protect this project from the harm by people of abjection as you.

This troller is making his own bitcoin equipment. Trolling other people's threads are not good. You have goolged randomly to deliver some irrelevant meaningless trolling arguments.

Another mistake in your question. In China, we can offer registered capital( nearly the same as shares, with only very little difference) to investors less than 50 people, who has not be the stuff of the company. If the company is a joint stock limited company, the shareholders group can have 200 people, not necessarily stuff, too.

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What you mean is the "losers" in Hong Kong demand a higher level of security and auditing, and have indeed busted many...many mainland companies and accountancy firms for fraud.(even the Americans have finally understood)
You cannot LEGALLY offer shares in a private company, unless you the shareholder is an employee of the company.




No, loser, by calling you a loser means that you HongKong guys are usually self-righteous but we just find you know nothing at all. You don't know how to get to contact with the potential entrepreneur, and your Madarian sucks, and you HK guys always mix English words when you speak Chinese, which have make you far away from the local entrepreneurs. Of course, you hongkong private equity investment managers are scammed frequently in Mainland, which brings huge loss to the behind investors. You don't know how to handle the relationship with local government, which is a key to earn success financial return here. Hong Kong private equity professionals working in China are mostly stupid, do you understand?



If you are indeed "Private equity" give us your details, and the so called details of the laws and areas applicable.
and finally YOUR license, as a legalized "equity practitioner", so I may check with the local authorities

Loser, I tell you the truth. Private equity is an industry which are mainly self-regulated worldwide. In mainland, the regulation entity is the NDRC (I 100% sure you have to google to know what this mean), and it is the reputation, experience and networking that is important. And as I am not raising money from you loser, I have no need to disclose my identity to you.

"license".....

The regulation system for private equity is a record keeping system, but not an approval system. 

no one have asked any "license" question in our industry. For example, the IDGVC China branch has been found since 1992, and they are the investors of Sohu.com, dangdang.com and xunlei.com, and I was a member of the DD team which represented the most wealthy institutional investors in China, we have checked tons of paperworks and digital records, but no one actually had asked Quan Zhou for a "licence".  

I think if I wanna fuck kiss your mother I need to get a licence from you, but if I wanna raise a private equity fund, I need just the recognition and trust of our private investors and then registered through a simple process in the local industrial and commercial bureau, then put a simple records at the local NDRC. I need no licence. If I wanna do something with your ass, I will apply a licence from you.


You cannot LEGALLY offer shares in a private company, unless you the shareholder is an employee of the company.


We will not answer any questions here as you have show us enough that you are just a troller. You goolged randomly to deliver some irrelevant meaningless arguments.  As we have our plans to make ASICMINER 99% legal, as legal as other oversea listed Chinese companies, the existing structure is still defensible according to the Mainland law. And I will not talk about any more here publicly, as our board members are all standing with us.

Another mistake in your question. In China, we can offer registered capital( nearly the same as shares, with only very little difference) to investors less than 50 people, who has not be the stuff of the company. If the company is a joint stock limited company, the shareholders group can have 200 people, not necessarily stuff, too.



Yep nicely avoided.....

I can see from your use of the word "wanna" that you are just a young kid, trying to give the appearance of being "street smart", but I'm afraid to tell you that there is no such word in the English language.

I do not need to google "randomly" they are only "meaningless" to someone trying to avoid the truth.

I was the Chief executive of a foreign enterprise in China, and as such I am VERY familiar with what is and is not allowed.

You still did not answer my questions, nor did you clarify the points on China law.
Basically you are saying that it is NOT a private company, so  give me the stock code.
Show your documents for your business registration, despite what you say.. Licenses ARE required.

Even those shitty little shops/counters in Shenzhen  SEG market need to have business licenses and registration AND they have to be on display 24/7.

So lets see your business registration documents for your "as legal as other oversea listed Chinese companies"




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Yep nicely avoided.....

I can see from your use of the word "wanna" that you are just a young kid, trying to give the appearance of being "street smart", but I'm afraid to tell you that there is no such word in the English language.

I do not need to google "randomly" they are only "meaningless" to someone trying to avoid the truth.

I was the Chief executive of a foreign enterprise in China, and as such I am VERY familiar with what is and is not allowed.

You still did not answer my questions, nor did you clarify the points on China law.
Basically you are saying that it is NOT a private company, so  give me the stock code.
Show your documents for your business registration, despite what you say.. Licenses ARE required.

Even those shitty little shops/counters in Shenzhen  SEG market need to have business licenses and registration AND they have to be on display 24/7.

So lets see your business registration documents for your "as legal as other oversea listed Chinese companies"

Time to shit or get off the pot.

Post URLs quoting the exact parts of mainland Chinese law that prove your case, otherwise go find some other thread to troll.

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Yep nicely avoided.....

I can see from your use of the word "wanna" that you are just a young kid, trying to give the appearance of being "street smart", but I'm afraid to tell you that there is no such word in the English language.

I do not need to google "randomly" they are only "meaningless" to someone trying to avoid the truth.

I was the Chief executive of a foreign enterprise in China, and as such I am VERY familiar with what is and is not allowed.

You still did not answer my questions, nor did you clarify the points on China law.
Basically you are saying that it is NOT a private company, so  give me the stock code.
Show your documents for your business registration, despite what you say.. Licenses ARE required.

Even those shitty little shops/counters in Shenzhen  SEG market need to have business licenses and registration AND they have to be on display 24/7.

So lets see your business registration documents for your "as legal as other oversea listed Chinese companies"

Time to shit or get off the pot.

Post URLs quoting the exact parts of mainland Chinese law that prove your case, otherwise go find some other thread to troll.

Time to show me your business licenses so I can see EXACTLY WHICH laws apply and the Area you are operating in.,  otherwise you will continually be saying that the "law does not apply to you"

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It will because they are embarrassed they have been busted, so it's time for them to get the "troll" moniker out.

After all why is it such a big issue for them to post their business licenses?, even the Nickel and dime businesses in the SEG market place them on the stall, hell it only takes two weeks to get official papers from the local government.

The next question is why the offensive posts so quickly?

Just so it's not seen as a "random troll" here is a copy of the outside cover of my China Government registration.


Now lets see theirs......



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After all why is it such a big issue for them to post their business licenses?, even the Nickel and dime businesses in the SEG market place them on the stall, hell it only takes two weeks to get official papers from the local government.
It would have helped if you were less provocative in your introductory post. It's full of contempt and arrogance. You may have a point, but that doesn't excuse lack of manners.

I don't walk into a restaurant, shout about that the place is a mess and then ask to see their licenses. You know what will happen? They will kick me out.

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What is the Chinese word for kindergarden ?

We will find out , if everything is alright , anytime soon.

Let's keep this Post for Information purposes.

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It will because they are embarrassed they have been busted, so it's time for them to get the "troll" moniker out.

After all why is it such a big issue for them to post their business licenses?, even the Nickel and dime businesses in the SEG market place them on the stall, hell it only takes two weeks to get official papers from the local government.

The next question is why the offensive posts so quickly?

Just so it's not seen as a "random troll" here is a copy of the outside cover of my China Government registration.


Now lets see theirs......




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December 08, 2012, 11:50:22 AM
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Nefario finally sends the asset list, and all the hell breaks loose in this thread. Does not sound like a legitimate concern of an investor, or a would-be investor. 

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Nefario finally sends the asset list, and all the hell breaks loose in this thread. Does not sound like a legitimate concern of an investor, or a would-be investor. 

It is, because it gives an insight into the type of people you are doing business with, if they fail to register a business what does that say about accountability and auditability?
Jesus even BFL is registered, was the pirate fiasco not enough to convince you?

Especially when someone dealing with corporate finance/funding , tells you they don't need to register of have a license.


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Nefario finally sends the asset list, and all the hell breaks loose in this thread. Does not sound like a legitimate concern of an investor, or a would-be investor.  

It is, because it gives an insight into the type of people you are doing business with, if they fail to register a business what does that say about accountability and auditability?
Jesus even BFL is registered, was the pirate fiasco not enough to convince you?

Especially when someone dealing with corporate finance/funding , tells you they don't need to register of have a license.



Alright, makes sense, but - why are you telling me that? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, really wish to know why you bother.

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they fail to register a business what does that say about accountability and auditability?

Who said they haven't registered? I suggest you get your facts straight. And does it even matter? We have a contract with friedcat, which is ideally detached from any other entity. We are shareholders of ASICMINER.

And, I thought you were talking about the legitimacy of shareholding through GLBSE, not the actual registration, which doesn't mean much. We were all ex-GLBSE users, so I don't think you can "inform" anyone. Maybe lecture them...

Now, can you state your concerns more briefly?
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Highly recommended reading for all of you. Especially those, who keep screaming "legal"
http://www.dgcmagazine.com/the-old-radical-how-bitcoin-is-being-destroyed/

"Legally registered" is not a synonym with "honest business" Wink Read the link I posted and think.

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"Legally registered" is not a synonym with "honest business" Wink
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I see the point behind the blog post. But what i dont see is why people think that governments cant hurt bitcoins. Of course you could encrypt the network or tor it but if the governments mark bitcoins illegal and go after websites that exchange or take bitcoins bitcoins will survive maybe but it would be practically dead.

First, the exchange course will go so deep that only nerds will keep it. Then you will be able to use it for nearly nothing anymore. And if governments go after nodes too you will have to fear punishment.

So what will convince you to keep a money you could be punished for and cant do much with it? Money is money because of its use. Take this away and it will die. It doesnt matter if 3 nerds still use it if most of users dont want anymore because of the risks and nearly no use.

Anyway... out of topic.

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Back on topic

Friedcat, have you guys decided how to go onward with the shareholding side of ASICMINER now that you have received a list from Nefario. Relisting somewhere perhaps?
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@DutchBrat... i was nearly asking the same but found that friedcat gave the answer already. He will move them to another platform.

http://blog.glbse.com/

According to Nefario, ASICMINER list has been sent!
We confirm it. They are sent as two different .yml files. We will merge them and compare them with our older claims, then make them online in another platform.

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@DutchBrat... i was nearly asking the same but found that friedcat gave the answer already. He will move them to another platform.

http://blog.glbse.com/

According to Nefario, ASICMINER list has been sent!
We confirm it. They are sent as two different .yml files. We will merge them and compare them with our older claims, then make them online in another platform.
Oops yes, I now remember reading that.... Long weekend Wink

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