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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3916973 times)
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January 14, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
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Since AM has the most efficient chip on the market (please correct me if I'm wrong), AM may be able to use the strong bear market as an advantage to regain a larger portion of network hashrate.

I think you mean sample chips.

Why ? Dont they provide same material for regular production ?

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January 15, 2015, 12:19:35 AM
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Wow.... like the flies! What's that buying pressure on Havelock? Do you think it's merely the chance of buying some cheap shares due to the decrease in BTC price? Or again inside knowledge from Board members or industry partners like we've seen with the announcement of the successful BE300s tests?

A board member wouldn't risk (or care, they have thousands of shares) buying a hundred or two of shares on Havelock based on inside knowledge. Maybe some guy at packaging, or assembly, or something.
But definitely, that buying before the BE300s tests must have been on inside knowledge.

Yeah that was very strange, I mean it happened literally 1 or 2 days before the announcement and the chips weren't supposed to arrive for another week or so, so it couldn't have been pure anticipation I guess.

There is a bot on Havelock that does some market-making, and it occasionally juggles its position from the buy side to the sell side and vice-versa. There is even speculation that it buys/sells into itself to manipulate prices.

You can see the market-making in action by placing a sell order lower than the current ask price, or a buy order higher than the current bid price - even by 1 satoshi. Within a minute, the order that you covered in the orderbook will be canceled and replaced with a new order that differs from yours by about 1 satoshi.

You can see that the market maker is also the whale that moves shares back and forth by looking at the timestamps on bids/asks in the orderbook. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the 250 share bid order and the bid order at the spread were both placed within the same minute?

If you watch the orderbook you can pick out other behaviors that point to a lot of the orders on both sides of the book being controlled by the same party. For example, the bot won't over-bid or under-ask itself, and it maintains open orders at several different bid/ask prices. You can put in a bid in the middle of the book and slowly increment it, then watch which orders keep following yours, then cancel yours and watch the follower drop back down to its initial bid, even though you may have outbid a couple other orders on the way - the bot doesn't care to bid over those orders, most likely because those bids are also orders belonging to the bot.

You can totally scalp off the bot Smiley
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January 15, 2015, 01:02:58 AM
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Did friedcat say that there was a financial report coming, or are people here just expecting it because it's about due for one?
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January 15, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
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Did friedcat say that there was a financial report coming, or are people here just expecting it because it's about due for one?

'About due' was October, IIRC.   
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January 15, 2015, 01:22:27 AM
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Did friedcat say that there was a financial report coming, or are people here just expecting it because it's about due for one?

'About due' was October, IIRC.   

It feels that long although I do recall someone saying that there was a report of some sort due sometime ago
Can't remember if that was in October.

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January 15, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
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I am going to make a pre-announcement to serve some open questions.

a) financials statements are currently in preparation and start getting processed next week. Dependent on how long the accountant needs, the financial statements should be accessible shortly after

b) FC has committed to making a dividend payment soon to clear OTC and provide a new public checkpoint for shareholder balances.

c) The need for a better information handling with shareholders is being recognized and it's been suggested to prepare a dedicated website to handle company matters. It's part of an internal restructuring effort. I'll let the responsible person provide more details, but I assume that suggestions from shareholders on the best way to implement it (e.g. forum, realtime chat room, ticket systems) are welcome.

d) the good news is that the company is alive and kicking. Based on my assessment they have a solid product and new stuff in the pipeline, which should allow the company to generate revenues to sustain growth. The biggest advantage of AM is its focus on cost competitiveness and solid relationships with suppliers, which allows them to grow the company organically. The bad news is that a lot of opportunity got lost in FY14 and supply chain and product problems prevented AM from generating the expected profit margins. That said FY14 has been a bad year for most companies in the mining space, and thus AM is not a particular exception.

e) AM has enough funding to stay in business independent of BTC valuation for a considerable amount of time.

f) The low valuation of AM has not gone unnoticed. While valuation is currently not an impediment to AM's business, it is recognized as a weakness and may have to be dealt with appropriately at a future point in time.
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January 15, 2015, 01:34:31 AM
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)
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January 15, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)


Best post of the year already.

On the other hand, I equally imagine a scenario where friedcat posts a simple "It is time." which precedes an immediate BTC price explosion well into the 5-digit range.
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January 15, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
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January 15, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)


Best post of the year already.

On the other hand, I equally imagine a scenario where friedcat posts a simple "It is time." which precedes an immediate BTC price explosion well into the 5-digit range.

the more time flies without a word from FC, the more i think the "its time" moment to be related to the exact contrary: AM shuts down.
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January 15, 2015, 02:18:28 PM
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)


Best post of the year already.

On the other hand, I equally imagine a scenario where friedcat posts a simple "It is time." which precedes an immediate BTC price explosion well into the 5-digit range.

the more time flies without a word from FC, the more i think the "its time" moment to be related to the exact contrary: AM shuts down.


Since when are you not the AM Perma Bull? Not been following AM much lately, but I thought you were always so positive about them  Huh
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January 15, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)
Best post of the year already.
On the other hand, I equally imagine a scenario where friedcat posts a simple "It is time." which precedes an immediate BTC price explosion well into the 5-digit range.
the more time flies without a word from FC, the more i think the "its time" moment to be related to the exact contrary: AM shuts down.
Since when are you not the AM Perma Bull? Not been following AM much lately, but I thought you were always so positive about them  Huh

meh, momentary bitcoin spleen. i hope they prove me wrong tho.
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January 15, 2015, 07:18:54 PM
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Another 250+ shares buy, you can't convince me this is just some bot doing its thing. It also isn't someone buying in his/her own orders... This has to be some action from someone who knows something! Geez, I'm all hyped up!

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January 15, 2015, 07:32:27 PM
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Another 250+ shares buy, you can't convince me this is just some bot doing its thing. It also isn't someone buying in his/her own orders... This has to be some action from someone who knows something! Geez, I'm all hyped up!

Well the sample performed better than expected and mass production is set to begin in February. With a bit of luck, AM could find themselves without any real competition for a short while. Share price could go nuts if that happens, so these buys could just be getting in early.
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January 15, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
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Another 250+ shares buy, you can't convince me this is just some bot doing its thing. It also isn't someone buying in his/her own orders... This has to be some action from someone who knows something! Geez, I'm all hyped up!

Well the sample performed better than expected and mass production is set to begin in February. With a bit of luck, AM could find themselves without any real competition for a short while. Share price could go nuts if that happens, so these buys could just be getting in early.

February or April? 

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The expected date of first batch is April 10 to April 30. Potential delay will be notified three months ahead.
Hashrate per device and power consumption:
  Normal mode - 1.0TH/s guaranteed. 1.6TH/s maximum. 0.25-0.27W/G.
  Turbo mode - 1.2TH/s guaranteed. 2.0TH/s maximum. 0.30-0.33W/G.

this is a update

Speaking for myself, it's a good deal with the BTC/$ price so low... 

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January 15, 2015, 08:31:23 PM
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My transfer to Havelock from early December still hasn't gone through.  Sad
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January 15, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
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The mass production time of BE300 in terms of chip-out date is February to March, 2015.

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.
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January 16, 2015, 01:33:49 AM
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My transfer to Havelock from early December still hasn't gone through.  Sad

Maybe it's a way of helping you not to sell your shares at prices this low  Grin Who knows, you could be very thankful in a couple of months if the share price goes up dramatically  Grin
But honestly, it's really annoying that a lot of request don't seem to go through seamlessly...

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January 16, 2015, 03:20:12 AM
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My transfer to Havelock from early December still hasn't gone through.  Sad

Maybe it's a way of helping you not to sell your shares at prices this low  Grin Who knows, you could be very thankful in a couple of months if the share price goes up dramatically  Grin
But honestly, it's really annoying that a lot of request don't seem to go through seamlessly...

Any advice? Should I try again?
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It will be released as soon as the accountant is finished with the numbers.
(The accountant is actually a dead raccoon on the side of the I95, just outside of Washington)
Best post of the year already.
On the other hand, I equally imagine a scenario where friedcat posts a simple "It is time." which precedes an immediate BTC price explosion well into the 5-digit range.
the more time flies without a word from FC, the more i think the "its time" moment to be related to the exact contrary: AM shuts down.
Since when are you not the AM Perma Bull? Not been following AM much lately, but I thought you were always so positive about them  Huh

meh, momentary bitcoin spleen. i hope they prove me wrong tho.

I just have a very, very difficult time seeing consumers and industrial clients eager to put in batch orders for AM-manufactured devices after the Tube/Prisma chaos.

If you think of cloud hashes as analogous to treasury bonds in a fiat economy, you're doing it right.  Yields on both treasuries and hashing bonds are naturally expected to fall over time as their supporting economies mature - just like what we have right now across the global economy (namely, free borrowing power, although to a bit too large and bank-centralized degree to really support long-term economic kindling).

Now, if you see the BTC economy start to say "well, fuck operating our own miners, let's just all buy cloud hashing securities", well then this game starts to become very similar to the global bond markets.

Note how the U.S. has the rest of the world by the balls economically (save for maybe Germany and the UK, though Europe is fucked on a whole 'nother level in general right now).  This is due to a number of reasons, though if AM were to maximize scalability over chip-producing competitors, it could very well indeed find itself in a similar position of overwhelming dominance.

Satoshi's greatest mistake in designing the Bitcoin protocol was to solely use SHA-256 for block-hashing.  If they had instead implemented a cycling mechanism which randomized the necessary hashing function across a varied array of options (say scrypt, SHA-256, and X-11), it would've reduced this obscene centralization of market power and BTC holdings that we see today.

Because even if ASICMINER achieves secure dominance in the chip market, let's face it, that's not really a good thing either.  They'd effectively be able to set bond yields (aka interest rates) in the same exact way that the central banks do with fiat money IT IS THE SAME DAMN MARKET MECHANISM IN ACTION.

Ultimately, if it looks like fiat, smells like fiat, and behaves like fiat, then what was its purpose in competing with fiat from its genesis?

Just some things to think about.

As much as we all hate to hear it over and over again, the real innovation was not the creation of an independent system of electronic money but rather a true solution to the Two Generals' Problem, and unless BTC can evolve into a gateway commodity token for a newly created 'Economy of Internets', it will ultimately be cast into the same bin as Dutch tulips and Enron stock.

I have said it again and again here, but if ASICMINER wants to achieve sustainable dominance in the market (beyond just ascending the hashrate provisioning throne), friedcat needs to begin making friends with people at IBM, Oracle, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA et al. to develop middleware and end-user hardware for controlling, distributing, and managing the next decade's cloud infrastructure - one where computers no longer have hard drives but rather broad RAM sets that torrent VM's onto a shell machine via cryptokey ID Auth management.  

He is certainly well-known enough across IT communities to request an introduction; unless he has already began to put such a plan in motion alongside burning the company's cryptocash to suffocate his competition, the whole thing will have been for naught.

That all being said, I am still favoring TSCM stock over AM in the near-term (but I've been known to be a fool at times).
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