ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[MrTeal]

Let me get this straight, Bitfurys estimate of 0.2 w/gh is 2-3 times better than AM's estimate of 0.22 w/gh?

Yawn.

And where did you hear Spondoolies was aiming for 0.1w/gh this year? (not that it matters as they miss more targets than AM)

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/guy-corem-ceo-spondoolies-tech-speaks-miners-future-mining/

That seems to indicate they aren't going to be there with their next chip, unless something changes.

That is an excellent timetable. With the faster specs will heat be more of a problem?‏

Guy:  No‏, it’ll have the same package and thermal as the 2nd gen‏ but at a much higher hash-rate an much reduced cost ‏
It’s a design to compete and win in the 1,000 PH/s era (2015)‏ We want to be able to offer 0.2$/GHs solution to our customers with 0.1W/GHs. We are not there yet, but I’m confident in our team ability to achieve it‏ on 28nm.

If in October they haven't got the simulations to 0.1J/GH, I wouldn't be hopeful on them getting silicon by the end of the year at that level. If they can though, make props to them. That's 3.4x more efficient than their current chip on the same process node.

[GTR_JOEY]

Have any dividends been paid?... NO!

So quit getting all moist and patting each other on the ass cause nothing has changed

[rockxie]

Have any dividends been paid?... NO!

So quit getting all moist and patting each other on the ass cause nothing has changed

In fact, AM is trying to change, and some changes have been made, AMHash is a clear signal.

In the future we will see AM will make more positive changes.

[chairforce1]

Have any dividends been paid?... NO!

So quit getting all moist and patting each other on the ass cause nothing has changed

Infinite wisdom......................................................................... .....................in hindsight.

[freedomno1]

BE200 was supposed to be <0.2W/GHs because we planned that it has some large room of downvoltage. However most room was
eaten by the mistake we made in chip and package design.

For BE300 in theory it is possible to get lower than 0.225W/GH by stressing the voltage down below 0.55V, but we do not have
solid simulation data yet, so let's see after the test chips are out.

December 16 is to be expected for us to get the chips. Testing time varies at 3-10 days since we had much more preparation work already done this time.

This will be the most important 2 weeks in AM history. Great work getting us this far and keeping us on track for the future!

You mean looks at clock 6 Weeks
Till December that is although I don't blame you for mixing November and December when were in October  

[Puppet]

That seems to indicate they aren't going to be there with their next chip, unless something changes.

Not sure how you are reading it, but the "we're not there yet" of course doesnt have to apply to the specs of the new chip (that isnt there yet), but on the chip itself. Or it could be a reference to the price ($0.2/GH). Either way, just how many 28nm designs do you think they intend to make?

[Puppet]

In fact, AM is trying to change, and some changes have been made, AMHash is a clear signal.

Not a very good signal so far. 2 days in to the IPO, ~2.7% of the first 5PH have been sold.
Or 0.2% of the alleged 60PH inventory of chips,...

In the future we will see AM will make more positive changes.

Let me help; this product should help sell many more PH's very quickly:



An Asiminer wafer clock. You know you want one.

[elasticband]

BE200 was supposed to be <0.2W/GHs because we planned that it has some large room of downvoltage. However most room was
eaten by the mistake we made in chip and package design.

For BE300 in theory it is possible to get lower than 0.225W/GH by stressing the voltage down below 0.55V, but we do not have
solid simulation data yet, so let's see after the test chips are out.

December 16 is to be expected for us to get the chips. Testing time varies at 3-10 days since we had much more preparation work already done this time.

This will be the most important 2 weeks in AM history. Great work getting us this far and keeping us on track for the future!

You mean looks at clock 6 Weeks
Till December that is although I don't blame you for mixing November and December when were in October  

I actually meant December 16th + 14 days, the most important 2 weeks in AM history....... waiting for results from chip simulations. Sorry you were to slow to get that.......

[rudi]

Has anyone posted the AMHash website to reddit? I mean it is a quite reasonably and trustworthy cloud mining service. The more people know about it, the more revenue AM is going to make. I've only seen a post in /r/BitcoinStocks

Yup:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/search?q=AMHash

[rudi]

In fact, AM is trying to change, and some changes have been made, AMHash is a clear signal.

In the future we will see AM will make more positive changes.

Can you already tell us what other changes are being thought of?

[Mabsark]

Thats not rocket science. AM is doing a pilot run or MPW since they expect test chips in december. BF and SP wont.

SP's RockerBox ASIC tape-out date = 13 May, 2014
SP post about receiving RockerBox ASICs = 23 July, 2014

That's the same length of time that AM will be waiting for their 28nm chips so what are you talking about?  

Also, that cryptonews article is a complete joke. Here's a sample from it:

I also see that your pricing is very competitive instead of being price so high like many of the Chinese manufacturers. How were you able to make the units so cost effective?‏

Guy:  We control the entire supply chain.‏
We manufacture in Israel and able to maintain quality. The mechanics are being produced in China and shipped by sea to reduce costs. In addition to ASIC and System design‏ our COO – Kobi Levin is an operational wizard with‏ a lot of experience in previous companies including Solard Edge.

SP20 = 1190 / 1700 = 0.7 USD/G
AM Prisma = (1.39 * 353) / 1400 = 491 / 1400 = 0.35 USD/G

An open and shut case of SP being price competitive with those "expensive" Chinese manufactures.  

Also from that article:

I greatly respect companies like yours that deliver on time‏ and do not do drawn out pre-orders that never deliver as Butterfly Labs and KNC.
‎
Guy:  We do take pre-orders for the 2nd gen, but we 100% we’ll deliver on time and on spec.‏
We are using the same engine, just doing process shrink.
We won’t take pre-orders for the 3rd gen‏ since its higher risk – a completely redesigned engine. We are taping out this week.‏
0.34 W/GHs at the ASIC level‏
0.43 W/GHs at the system level‏ both on the ASIC and on the System level‏
Very efficient DC2DC design‏ 28nm‏ not 20nm ‏
We’re manufacturing at Flextronics Israel‏.

Spondoolies SP30 was not on spec at all, what's Guy talking about? Also, their simulated specs for their gen 3 ASICS are on par with AMs gen 4, 0.34 J/Gh at the ASIC level. SP taped-out a month later though and will get their chips for testing a month later too.

[Blazed]

SP-T is indeed expensive, but AM has yet to make a dominating chip. Gen 1 was just the first en mass chip and they sold over priced gear and did well. Gen 2 failed, Gen 3 also..I do not have much confidence gen 4 will be all that given their history. The competition these days is really good...time will tell.

[hdbuck]

SP-T is indeed expensive, but AM has yet to make a dominating chip. Gen 1 was just the first en mass chip and they sold over priced gear and did well. Gen 2 failed, Gen 3 also..I do not have much confidence gen 4 will be all that given their history. The competition these days is really good...time will tell.

you can only hope they indeed learn from their mistakes.

[Blazed]

I hope they do...they are the only company selling reasonably priced gear. My guess is not a single SP miner has ever gotten a positive ROI. Bitmain is now charging silly prices also. So get it done AM!

Edit: everything BE chip based seems reasonably priced.

[RoadStress]

Also, that cryptonews article is a complete joke. Here's a sample from it:<snip>

SP20 = 1190 / 1700 = 0.7 USD/G
AM Prisma = (1.39 * 353) / 1400 = 491 / 1400 = 0.35 USD/G

Guy:  We do take pre-orders for the 2nd gen, but we 100% we’ll deliver on time and on spec.‏
Spondoolies SP30 was not on spec at all, what's Guy talking about? Also, their simulated specs for their gen 3 ASICS are on par with AMs gen 4, 0.34 J/Gh at the ASIC level. SP taped-out a month later though and will get their chips for testing a month later too.

Mabsark in your blinded AM shareholder view you aren't even paying attention to the article. While it says that it was updated in October the article was published a very long time ago, in May if I remember correctly. How can you compare the SP20 with the AM Prisma when Guy clearly says that they are taking pre-orders for 2nd gen!!! At that the the 0.69$/GH was the best price available. The fact that it didn't materialized it's another story, but it was the best price available at that time.

[Puppet]

SP's RockerBox ASIC tape-out date = 13 May, 2014
SP post about receiving RockerBox ASICs = 23 July, 2014

That's the same length of time that AM will be waiting for their 28nm chips so what are you talking about?  

Im talking about the fact that AM taped out in september, expects engineering samples in december and mass production nearer the end of Q105. The only explanation for that is that december is a MPW or a small test run. Thats not by definition a stupid idea, especially if you are not confident in your design, but it doesnt exactly help time to market and the competition dont seem to be bother with it. 

While we are it at, from mid december to end of february is barely enough time to just process a wafer, leaving no time for testing, if need be refining the design and do a respin. Which begs the question why do it at all. If the chip works as expected, you wasted 2-3 months. If it doesnt, you dont have time to fix it with that schedule.

[hdbuck]

SP's RockerBox ASIC tape-out date = 13 May, 2014
SP post about receiving RockerBox ASICs = 23 July, 2014

That's the same length of time that AM will be waiting for their 28nm chips so what are you talking about?  

Im talking about the fact that AM taped out in september, expects engineering samples in december and mass production nearer the end of Q105. The only explanation for that is that december is a MPW or a small test run. Thats not by definition a stupid idea, especially if you are not confident in your design, but it doesnt exactly help time to market and the competition dont seem to be bother with it.  

While we are it at, from mid december to end of february is barely enough time to just process a wafer, leaving no time for testing, if need be refining the design and do a respin. Which begs the question why do it at all. If the chip works as expected, you wasted 2-3 months. If it doesnt, you dont have time to fix it with that schedule.

obviously they are basically being very cautious now.

[RoadStress]

obviously they are basically being very cautious now.

Why would they be if they have identified the problem and fixed it?

[hdbuck]

obviously they are basically being very cautious now.

Why would they be if they have identified the problem and fixed it?

tss you can do better than this.

[freedomno1]

I actually meant December 16th + 14 days, the most important 2 weeks in AM history....... waiting for results from chip simulations. Sorry you were to slow to get that.......

That wasn't being slow mate 
That was just me thinking you were slower since two weeks from now is roughly November 16