Touché!

Looking forward to it!

Famous last words my friend!

• accidental wallet deletion
• accidental mistyped address
• accidental mistyped amount
• computer hacked

Kind of the way we should all feel about Bitcoin if you ask me.



I know, it was a joke. Some people on these forums are cold, lifeless, humorless, overly serious, some people recognize mistakes of others but don't forgive them for it, and still some are paranoid regardless of any facts presented to them. People like majamalu probably think growing up is a spotless endeavor with flawless results and that anyone who makes mistakes is probably "untrustworthy", primarily because a single admin who refuses to give a scammer tag to *actual scammers* (BFL) decided it was so! Frankly, I'll take a guy who admits his mistakes and fixes them over someone who throws around claims that people "can't be trusted" any day.

I have no problem that Sonny (BFL) went to prison, nor what Roger Ver did, so long as the reasons they did aren't reoccurring (For Sonny, they are. I don't see Roger selling explosives through the BitcoinStore though). So why would someone claim I'm untrustworthy to carry money, operate a business, speak publicly or cook for them just because I made a prank bet and then ended up paying it anyway because I felt sorry for others? It's just more cultist assbackwards extremist paranoia that makes all bitcoiners look like kooks.

In line with the original topic of this thread, I remember the Reddit and Forum threads about "Keep[ing] Amir off TV!". It was a disgusting display of pigs slopping over each other to say the least. "He's not dressed right!". He's also not trying to be the "representative of Bitcoin". Everyone here is a representative of bitcoin everytime we talk, and we will all have different view points. The point of this thread was to discuss people whom we can *all* agree more or less will cover the topics in a way we can all agree with. I don't think Roger Ver's viewpoint about how Bitcoin will destory the governments is one I would be proud support, nor do I believe anyone on this forum who claims that Bitcoin was invented for tax evasion should ever be chosen for that role either.

How about someone who talks about Bitcoin leading digital currency evolution and making it easier for people to *share*? Why is everything about VENGEANCE TOWARDS THE BANKS and KILLING OUR MASTERS? Better yet, how about someone who can publicly admit that Bitcoin could fail, that it is a project and an experiment, and that it is most likely that it will simply lead the way to better alternatives and not be the end-all solution in and of itself? In other words, a fucking realist (or as some of you would probably mislabel them, "BITCOIN DETRACTORS").

I'm not sure about it either. I've heard mixed theories on what "will happen", but I'd love to see it in action. By that I mean, it's not even really in action yet because it's still centralized and used primarily for speculation of "XRP" prices.

I agree, be sure to point one of those people out if you see one. I'll do the same.

What are you talking about? Javascript is fantastic in its ability to be everything (if you abuse it). Node.js is a good example. So is DOOM rendered in JS.

P.S. I think C/C++ stand alone apps are the only "secure" way to do anything these days, and think that Perl beats PHP anyday.

Well, there's always going to be one, just like with guns. The key in Ripple is to spread that out so that the people around them can take the hit in reputation and suffer the financial losses rather than the end-merchant. It sounds shitty, but it's better than family and friends (who actively agreed to intertwine their lives with him) take on his debts (in Ripple network by default) than people who have no idea who he is when he tried to buy something from him. That will change everyone's mind about how much they trust each other. Ripple really will create uncomfortable relationships for some, but for others it's going to draw into focus things that should not have been ignored previously. Very interested to see how it works out.

How about the millions of bitcoiners who don't want their police taken away from them and replaced with a society that the richest people only have police like Roger does? I don't think we have to worry about the regulators as much as people from within bitcoin destroying it with their own capitalist agendas or extremism to be honest. Let's hope it grows fast enough that none of this will matter.

I can work with that. I've actually grown very fond of the idea of "provably fair" things and escrow these days. I am starting to believe there is less and less reason to ever need to trust people for many of the things we do here on the forums. Lending is still a difficult topic, but I think a trust network like Ripple will help with that, since it's not just your reputation that you're selling, but everyone close to you as well (less likely to scam when your neighbor and family suffer from it).

I've also grown to believe that Bitcoin is far from centralized, which should be clear to anyone who paid attention to MtGox, these forums and the recent GIT pushes.

So you're allowed to learn from mistakes made in haste and make a profit off of others, but if I make one, lose everything, and pay out the ass in addition to losing everything I had, I'm a scammer for life in your book?

You're a peculiar one, that's for sure.

I'll take that bet! (and then back out of it later and disappear for a few months and then realize how stupid a joke it was and then pay it later anyway)


Edit: Aaaaand we've come full circle.

Well, it's also what artists do, so that's not in itself any kind of indicator. But I admit that when they were actually producing and shipping (belated) FPGAs that it was easy to get caught up in the excitement. I had enough sense to refund my single back then though, because waiting 4 months for a mining device of any kind is retarded, even now with ASICs. The best investment so far in bitcoin has been holding bitcoin itself afterall.


I bet they'd get more if there's a PS4 app for mining!

Hell, even I'm on that page lately. It's sad too, because their concept designs were slick (speaking as a non-hardware guy) and it looked like they might actually pull Bitcoin into an era of mass consumer mining.

Instead we're being pulled into an era of mass consumer doubt.

Were they AML compliant? Did they register with FinCEN? Did they do anything that everyone else who runs an exchange has had to do or were they just winging it because "bitcoin is freedom maaan"?


Also what you said. Why would a high risk merchant have only a single account?

What happened to Bitfloor? I thought they were *hacked*. What does that have to do with banksters and our evil reptilian government overlords?

I'm not here to be pleasant to you Severian, I can't hold your hand during this discussion, you need to find the points and respond to them or ignore them completely.  You're presenting unpleasant cultism into this discussion, recommending that people endanger themselves for your ideals. What is unpleasant to me is being branded as a terrorist because I use Tor, just because some other dirtbag decided to use it for illegal purposes and then brag about it. This is why we can't have nice things. Stop dragging emotion into it, it's absolutely a logical argument. You're sitting beside a pack of wolves who doesn't notice you, you're claiming we should all shout out "HEY WOLVES, WE AREN'T AFRAID OF YOU" just because "bitcoin". Why not just kill them in their sleep and keep our mouths shut? Why not just walk around the pack completely and let them starve? Why advertise?

Having concern for your fellow man is a lot deeper than being able to borrow sugar. Telling everyone they should fight against paying taxes will end badly for everyone involved. If your belief is that Bitcoin is a way of doing that without even talking, why don't you just do it then without even talking?

It's like saying "drugs shouldn't be illegal!" so you go shoot up in front of a police station because "drugs were designed to make you free and everyone who will do drugs will love them for that reason". Yea, but why would you want to sit in front of the police station and invite violence, when you could just get the fuck out there, or better yet, join the police force and let people go on a regular basis who do it? You're not very clever or passionate about changing things if you think change is going to happen in your lifetime by just pissing governments off. History backs me up on this one. Bitcoin isn't going to cripple governments. Bullets in their brains might, or 200 more years of evolution.

You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Let the politicians know why bitcoin is good for them. Let the businesses know why it's good for them. Evolve society, then post your public apology when everything sorts itself out and you realize people like you were the reason it didn't happen sooner. </end rant>

Well, not necessarily encouraging to pay taxes, but discouraging raving fanatics who have no concern for their fellow man and just want to watch the world burn because they hate some dudes at the top. There may be a country someplace where you would actively *disagree* with paying taxes too, like North Korea for example. For the USA though? Probably better to not say "don't pay taxes" and rather just "don't do anything stupid and don't be a loud mouthed anarchist who puts everyone around them in danger".

Afterall, don't like the US? Move. I did. Staying there and not following the law because "freedom" and all that is kind of dumb. Go kill some officials and overthrow the government, or spend your life changing the laws from the inside out, but just ignoring the laws that everyone else in your country agreed to put into place is just stupid. Go someplace where those laws that make you uncomfortable don't exist, change your citizenship like so many are doing, and get it over with. Why fight something you don't want to be a part of anyway, while selfishly living off of it's rewards at the same time?

(Not talking about you Luke, actually agreeing with you)

I wonder if half of bitcoiners realize that arguments on reddit and other places caused by someone's inaccurate depictions of bitcoin aren't due to actual ignorance, but are in fact intentionally inaccurate to draw out the emotional and overly defensive crazies for comedic value. Bitcoin or not, crazy is never good.