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1381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 25, 2014, 04:38:41 PM
DigiByte: Did you get my PM's?
Just responded!
1382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 25, 2014, 02:47:25 AM
Here is an interesting video on the ASIC issue from a Bitcoin video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-2niFDgtI&feature=youtu.be&t=40m45s
1383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Which Alt Coin will see the most growth in 2014? on: April 24, 2014, 06:30:11 AM
Where is einsteinium?

If op will add all of the coins voting card will be too big for 1 site Wink

Glad to see this thread is still alive. I made it before we launched DigiByte. Smiley
1384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 24, 2014, 01:24:00 AM
Thanks for the great summary on the first post. Was looking for something like this.

By the way, one question I have. What is the estimated timeline on Scrypt ASICs coming out in full force?

More than likely by June/July they will be here in full force.
1385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 24, 2014, 12:27:54 AM
Merge mine with Doge for me.

Switching algos will only just buy us more time.

If we combine community's there's more of an opportunity for both coins to grow, plus it would get us a bit more mainstream acceptance.



This is something we are willing to look into more for sure. The idea is very attractive if we decide not to switch algos.
1386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 24, 2014, 12:26:45 AM
What should DigiByte do about the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? Vote & here and tell us the pros and cons of your choice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581816.msg6358181#msg6358181
1387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
Perhaps multi algo scrypt + sha256 blake would be nice idea. Graphic card miners will switch to blake and it will be fine for ages. Unless blake becomes popular enough for its own asic chip.
We are thinking an updated multi-algo myraid/ approach would be the most fair. Here is a very interesting article on the SHA-3 finalists.
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/Round3/March2012/documents/papers/WENZEL_BENNER_paper.pdf

According to the results, Blake looks like it would be the easiest of all algos to develop an ASIC for. Skein looks to be the most RAM intensive.

The question is how would different algos be weighted evenly?
1388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:53:48 PM
You forgot Skein.
Do you have a link with more info?

Skein is one of the hashing algorithms used in X11...I think it's number 4  Grin
What would be the advantages of it being used by itself vs just using keccak which won the SHA-3 contest?

Using just one of them ( be it Skein, Keccak, Grøstl, ...) makes it even more easy to develop an ASIC.
Most are all basically just a shitload of AND, OR, XOR, NOT, SHR and ROT operations.

ASIC (and GPU) heaven...
So the more the better. What about a combination of Scrypt-N, Keccak, Sha-256 and Scrypt. So everyone could mine? Similar to Myriadcoin?
1389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 23, 2014, 05:46:07 PM
A new DigiByte article will be up on CryptoArticles.com tomorrow, stay tuned Smiley
Awesome! Thank you! Smiley
1390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
I voted Myriad but if you don't do that, do nothing. The best way to secure your network is to make it as accessible to as many as possible. Cheap low-wattage ASICs mean a community that likes a coin for its own sake can keep it going, perhaps not profitably for the miners but at least not at a significant loss. Myriad could accomplish the same thing if tech-poor CPU miners like myself at least have a shot at being effective.
This is a very valid point. Ideally it would be awesome if everyone was able to mine a coin. Cpu's, ASICs and more. Does someone have a link to a more technical description of Myraid, or have first hand experience. More info on mining pools would be nice as well!
1391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:43:02 PM
You forgot Skein.
Do you have a link with more info?

Skein is one of the hashing algorithms used in X11...I think it's number 4  Grin
What would be the advantages of it being used by itself vs just using keccak which won the SHA-3 contest?
1392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:33:44 PM
You forgot Skein.
Do you have a link with more info?
1393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:33:17 PM
I have voted for : Multi-Algo (MYRAID)

Tell me if I have wrong, but with MYRIAD, each algo will have it's own difficulty right? That's why I voted for this choice...
Stats updated for Myraid coin.
1394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 23, 2014, 05:23:37 PM
,./,./, I haven't sent any feedback because for me, even if the video is looking greater and greater each day you improve it, something is missing : a digiman animation at beginning and at the end. I said since the beginning that digiman can be a way to attract people. But for this, we need to make him alive.

I have PM digibyte few weeks ago, and I have asked him two times to take a look into his bitcointalk inbox... without any answer. Maybe he will see it now Wink

In my PM, I have asked him if Digiman was modeled by someone with a 3DS Studio Max like app or if this was a plastic made Digiman. Why this question? Because I found an active french (I'm french) community of Blender (3DS Studio Max like app, open source) which will maybe be interested in taking part of this project. But to gain some time and to facilitate their work, this would be awesome to have this file with Digiman model, because by this way they will only work for animation, and not for the model (which will be 50% of work less).

Here's 2 lil video which shows you the strenght of this open source app :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4C82eyhwgU

I don't promise that someone can accept to be part of this project, but i can try to find some people (in english speaking forum or french speaking forum). I'm confident because 2x small animation of 10 sec each doesn't need a lot of work and a lot of computer power. I just need, Digibyte, your feeling about what I'm speaking about Wink
We apologize for the delay in response! We messaged the original artist and have not heard back on to how the DigiMan was created. We also do not have any of the original development/raw files for him. All we have is the existing jpeg/ png files.
1395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:15:10 PM
As I already wrote here X11 won't you buy much time.

This is our thought as well. Non the less lets get a fact based discussion going. Lets add as many pros & cons as we can to each option.
1396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the current state of the X11 algo? What is your favorite mining algo? on: April 23, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
What should DigiByte do about the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? Vote & here and tell us the pros and cons of your choice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581816.msg6358181#msg6358181
1397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 23, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
What should DigiByte do about the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? Vote & here and tell us the pros and cons of your choice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581816.msg6358181#msg6358181
1398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Poll: What is the best solution to the coming Scrypt ASIC problem? on: April 23, 2014, 05:02:08 PM
Poll will remain open for 5 days. You are allowed to change your vote. Please post additional pros/cons of the different options and we will add them to the list.

On April 16th KNC issued another update for their Scrypt ASICs that are scheduled for delivery in Q2/Q3 (June/July) of this year. The Titans will now be hashing at around 300 MH which is up from the previously stated 250 MH.

One thing we can all agree on is Scrypt Mining profitability for GPU’s is going to drop like a rock within a one- two week time frame. Not to mention this is just the 1st generation of Scrypt ASICS. KNC Press Release

Given that DigiBytes daily net hash has fluctuated between 500 MH and 1 GH the past few days, 1-2 people with Titans could easily fork DigiByte or other lesser known Scrypt coins.

So what are the options DigiByte or any other Scrypt coin can take right now?




Option 1: Do Nothing & Embrace Scrypt ASICs
Pros:
* No Hard-Fork Required
* More professional mining market will emerge
* Attractive to long-term ASIC mining investors


Cons:
* Centralization of Scrypt hashing power
* Lesser known coins easily forked
* 1-2 People with Titans could currently fork most Scrypt coins
* Very high cost barriers to compete ($5k-$10k) in Scrypt Asic Mining
* Goes against most peoples reason for becoming involved with cryptos
* Will eliminate GPU mining for most Scrypt coins
* Will push most GPU miners to other ASIC resistant coins
* Most Scrypt ASIC miners will dump mined coins to re-coup hardware costs

Resources:
*Doge Dev Summary on staying Scrypt
*Litecoin Dev Teams Position on Algo Switching



Option 2: X11, the Darkcoin Approach


Pros:
* GPU miners can still profitably mine
* ASIC resistant for the near future
* GPUs run cooler
* GPUs use less electricity
* blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo

Cons:
* ASIC creation still possible & likely
* X11 Mining Software possibly not optimized
* Some of the x11 algos were dropped from the SHA selection process due to security issues
* Hard-forking required

Resources:
*Darkcoin Thread
*Doge Dev Summary on X11



Option 3: Scrypt-N, the VertCoin Approach

Pros:
*GPU miners can still profitably mine
*Increases memory requirements as hardware bottleneck
*Adaptive memory increase into the future/ Moore's law
*ASIC resistant into the future

Cons:
* Hard-forking required

Resources:
*Vertcoin Thread



Option 4: Multi-Algo, the Myraidcoin Approach

Pros:
*All miners can mine
*Scrypt, SHA256D, Qubit, Skein or Groestl
*Each algorithm has separate difficulty
*Any algorithm can find the next block
*Each algorithm aims for a block generation time of 2.5 minutes
*Over the five algorithms, a block should be found on average every 30 seconds

Cons:
*Technically Challenging & somewhat untested
*Hard-forking required
*Unforeseen attacks may exist
*Difficult for mining pools to implment

Resources:
*Myraidcoin Thread



Option 5: HEFTY1, the Heavycoin Approach

Pros:
*SHA-256, Keccak-512, Grøestl-512, BLAKE-512

Cons:
* Hard-forking required

Resources:
*Heavycoin Thread



Option 6: Merge-Mine Dogecoin & DigiByte

Pros:
*More blockchain security
*Combination of communities
*Larger net hash
*Very attractive to ASIC miners

Cons:
* Loss of complete autonomy
* Negative press or events with 1 coin will effect all merge mined coins

Resources:
*!



Option 7: Merge-Mine Litecoin, Dogecoin & DigiByte

Pros:
*More blockchain security
*Combination of communities
*Larger net hash
*Very attractive to ASIC miners
*Bitcoin is Gold, Litecoin is Silver
*DigiByte is the dollar, Dogecoin is like a quarter

Cons:
* Not likely to happen
* Loss of complete autonomy
* Negative press or events with 1 coin will effect all merge mined coins

Resources:
*!



Option 8: Merge-Mine with other coins using a different algo

Pros:
*More blockchain security
*Combination of communities
*Larger net hash
*Very attractive to GPU miners

Cons:
* Loss of complete autonomy
* Negative press or events with 1 coin will effect all merge mined coins
Resources:
*!




If you would like to know more about DigiBytes long term vision watch our NYC presentation here:


1399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ DigiByte ★★ [DGB] ✈ DigiShield ✔ Watch our NYC Convention Presentation! on: April 23, 2014, 03:37:28 PM

We are still looking at the X11 algo. What are peoples feedback on it? Are your GPU's running cooler, or has someone released updated mining software yet?

If you havent already, read this for some thoughts regarding X11:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/23fk2i/very_long_very_serious_development_summary_week/
Thank you for posting, this is very insightful! We agree with most of the views expressed there.
1400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the current state of the X11 algo? What is your favorite mining algo? on: April 23, 2014, 02:07:44 PM
Yup... kicks butt and very stable compared to scrypt of scrypt-n.
We are very seriously considering a switch to X11, thanks for the feedback!

When could someone plan for you to make this switch?
Also have you considered Hazards argument that GPU's are not running at their full potential when mining the coins using the algorithm?
Maybe wait until a miner is released to optimize the GPU's??
The switch would occur in May, before the June/July release time frame for the first major Scrypt ASICS. The reason we have not changed yet has had a lot to do with Hazards argument. We agree that the GPU is not being fully utilized with the X11 algo.
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