ffs roadstress and mabsark can you just bury the axe? let it be guys. bitcoin is magic.  Hard to do it with an ongoing bet... Bitcoin is magic internet money! |
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You can get anyone who is reputable. I don't care because I've found a comment of yours which is obviously you trolling and you'd have to do some proper mental gymnastics to interpret in any other way. You know that you've been trolling the thread and even admitted it in the Spondoolies thread so I'm not sure why you think I can't find such a comment. Like I said, the site has a mirror so it doesn't even matter if you delete your posts.
So, go and find some one with a good reputation.
I nominate SebastianJu (haven't PMed him, but will do). Also all this trouble for one single post where I am talking rubbish?(and 0.1BTC too) I thought a few days ago you didn't want to search through my past nonsense, but yet 0.1 BTC seemed to do the trick I couldn't be arsed digging through all your past nonsense - you post too much. Why don't you take the hint and just stop posting shite in the AM thread. Nobody wants you there, nobody values your opinion and everyone thinks you are a Spondoolies shill and a troll. |
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Right. Assuming the Prismas' are $1500 cheaper and you'll mine ~$800 before the SP35 ships (start mining Oct 15th, end mining Nov 21st, 10c/kWh, 15% inc. per jump with a 5% lowering per jump), that gives you $2300 in hand with the Prismas vs the SP35.
From Nov 21st onward the difference in power is 11kW vs 7kW, so 4kW. There's 8760 hours in a year, so at 10c/kWhr it would take 2.62 years for the cost of powering the units to make up for the price differential.
At 15c/kWh, the numbers go down to 1.4 years of running before the difference in price is made up.
At 20c/kWh, don't bother. At the current price and next estimated difficulty (~35B), the network only has to increase 50% in size before you're at breakeven for power with $400/BTC which it very likely will be by the time you get your Prismas.
There is a small error on your post. The Prismas are not $1500 cheaper than 2xSP35. In my last post I wanted to say $1500 cheaper than Mabsark's price. The Prismas are only ~700$ cheaper than the 2xSP35 and with the ~$800 miner before SP35 ships that leaves only $1500 in hand which changes your calculations a bit. But I appreciate your projection and I find it more honest than the other ones posted here. Thumbs up! For crying out loud, you're not the brightest bulb are you? The conditions are not meant to be realistic, they're meant to remove all the variability so you can compare miners without having to guess at values. This provides you with base values which can then be modified based on your estimations of things like difficulty change. Miners can't remove any variable when mining with equipment so your projection is useless. Why not use 10k$/BTC instead? It's not realistic, but it can definitely remove any discussion about ROI too. Mining IS a guessing game, but since you are not a miner you don't know that while being a shareholder all you need to focus is on pumping your company's products. Given a 1 month head start for the Prismas in which they made 1,764 USD (after power costs), how long would it take SP35s to overtake the Prisma in total mining profits? Show you're working as well. Please read MrTeal's above projection. AM Prismas will NOT mine $1,764 USD in their first month. That is a pure bullshit straight lie to all customers reading it coming straight from an AM shareholder.I got slightly different numbers.
10 AM prismas = ~$7000/15TH
2.5 SP35 = $10,500/15TH It seems that all AM shareholders like to be in a fantasy world instead of a real world. Having a 1/2 SP35 miner is impossible! Also 10 AM Prismas will NOT mine $1,500 in their first month! I am willing to bet 0.2 BTC on that! Care to take the bet and have someone who will buy prove it? |
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Why bet so much?
Because I know for a fact that I can produce a quote of you talking rubbish (trolling, telling lies, spreading rumours, presenting opinion as facts) about AM in the shareholder thread. You can ask any reputable person on this forum to judge the bet. The quote I'll provide will leave no room for doubt so I'm not really bothered who you get as long as they have a good reputation. Let's make it 0.1 BTC then, shall we? I will take the bet, but first we must agree on the person deciding the result of the bet. Also how many quotes can you produce? I would be interested in more than one single quote. |
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so youre saying instead of 3 months they will be 9 months for delivery... and instead of sub 0.3 J/GH, they will be 0.6 J/GH ?
on what basis can you make those claims? He is used with AM products. |
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To be fair to RoadStress, I used $180 PSUs in my calculations and the price of bitcoin is fixed at 500 USD/BTC. Also, 2000W wouldn't be enough to run 2 Prismas. I don't know whether those server PSUs have the necessary PCIe cables so I was hesitant to use them in the calculations.
Can you provide some links to those products (DPS-2000BB/breakout/cables) so people will know what to look for?
Why not use 400 USD/BTC as it is right now? Is your magic crystal ball letting you know that in 1 month the exchange rate will rise? Ah, I see. Those are extremely poor numbers. The Prismas are a hair under $6000 right now, so that's factoring in $3250 for 10kW of power supply which is ridiculous. Even if you don't want to mess with server PSUs, you could go buy 10 well reviewed gold ATX supplies (RM1000/Capstone 1000M) for $1500 shipped from Newegg (plus tax, if you're unlucky).
Ok, with the updated numbers you will have an advantage of $1500 for all lifetime mining profits for buying AM Prismas vs 2xSP35 at the cost of needing a bigger electricity circuit. |
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late 2015 will probably be closing in on 0.1 J/GH. How? Is CT's 16nm design, when downclocked, 3 times more efficient? I doubt that. So how is someone gonna archive 0.1J/GH on 16nm within one year? I personally think that it will be easier to optimise farm locations, rather than hardware from say 0.25J/GH to 0.15J/GH. I don't know how, but I think we will see 0.1J/GH in 2015 too! |
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My post didn't contain any speculation and is on topic. It also did not claim that Prisma miners are available for immediate delivery. In fact, none of those miners are currently shipping. Your response to it is off topic though as is the this response to you. Like I've said many times now, you deliberately go off topic in an effort to distract peoples attention form what you perceive to be promoting AM while attacking Spondoolies. If it's not a real thing then it's speculation. You presented something which can't and will never apply to the real world. Static difficulty and immediate mining. Both of these 2 conditions from your previous post can't apply, thus your whole post is a speculative post. I don't want to get ckolivas mad so let's stay on topic please and stop posting speculative posts. |
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Are you really as stupid as you sound? They're not false at all. They are the static conditions I chose and the values are irrelevant. It is not meant to be and does not even try to be an accurate representation of the bitcoin network and mining conditions. All it simply does is allow you to compare the different miners on a equal footing without having to guess at the different variables. Also, what biased projections are those? The ones that show the SP35 making the most mining profit per TH per day and reaching break-even the quickest (given that all miner start mining immediately)?  Difficulty will jump in 3 days and there is no immediate mining with the Prismas. So what you presented is only in your fantasy. It can't apply to the real world. So while they are not false, they are not applicable either. It's just an useless projection. Sure. Under static conditions (since you like to use it) 2xSP35 will not overtake Prisma in monthly mining profits, but it will be the same as 10xAM Prisma miners. The 2xSP35 owner will pay less for them and start mining one month later. The 10xAM Prisma owner will start mining 1 month earlier, but in that one month of head start he will only regain the difference of price compared to the 2xSP35 miners (~1200$). After the first month both solutions will have the same profit per month, except that the AM Prisma owner will need a bigger electricity circuit than the SP35 owner.
That is not an answer to the question I asked. The answer I'm looking for a specific length of time. If you are too stupid to do basic maths, just say so. If not, provide the answer with your working out. What length of time are you looking for? I just gave you my projection for the first 2 months of mining. |
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Have you tried asking anyone in washington? So all miners are from Washington now? Or all AM customers are from there? What about the rest of the miners? I wouldn't recommend mining to anyone that pays more than $0.05/kwh. It doesn't matter what variables I use because however you look at it, it beats everything else available.
Instead of arguing whether this will ROI or not (which is entirely pointless speculation) how about showing us a miner that has a better chance?
Well following your statement nobody should buy AM Prismas if they have an electricity cost of over 0.05/kWh so why bother showing you different miners? How do you figure the SP35s are cheaper? The price on 10 Prismas is 14.9BTC or 5960. To that you need to add 5*($45+$60+$3.50*8 + $10) for a DPS-2000BB/breakout/cables/shipping = $665
That's $6625 for 10 Prismas, which unless the SP35's have had a large price drop recently is still cheaper than two of those.
I used the numbers AM shareholder Mabsark posted here: SP35 costs 4,035 USD inc. PSU + shipping for 6 Th/s at 3.5kW, it would take 147 days to break even,
10 x AM Prisma costs 9,250 USD inc. PSUs + shipping for 14 Th/s at 10.5 kW, it would take 158 days to break even, and
S3+ B9 costs 320 USD inc. PSU + shipping for 453 Gh/s at 355W, it would take 173 days to break even. |
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Based on static conditions - 300 Ph/s network hash rate, 0.1 USD/kWh, $500 USD/BTC and immediate mining start, AM's new Prisma overtakes the S3+ and closes the gap on the SP35:
I'll leave you to your own estimations with regards to changes in BTC price, changes in difficulty and pre-order waiting times but I will remind you that Prismas will be shipping a full month at least before SP35s and there's no availability date regarding S3+ B10s or S4s. A full Prisma set would make 1,764 USD (after power costs) in 30 days under the static conditions.
All of the highlighted statements are false. The conditions aren't static and there is no immediate mining start. Instead of throwing with useless and fictional numbers like $1,764 USD why not use your energy for some realistic projections. By the time the Prisma miners will ship difficulty will jump 2 times. The next jump is in just 3 days and it's projected to ~19%. For the sake of the argument let's say the next one will be ~15%. That means that the $1,764 will transform to a merely $1,200 USD. I hope that everyone else notices jimmothy's and your biased projections as AM shareholders! Here's a question for you RoadStress. Given the 1 month head start for the Prisma, how long would it take for the SP35 to overtake the Prisma in total mining profits? Show you're working as well. Oh yeah, and where's that 0.1 BTC you said you were going to send me.  Sure. Under static conditions (since you like to use it) 2xSP35 will not overtake Prisma in monthly mining profits, but it will be the same as 10xAM Prisma miners. The 2xSP35 owner will pay less for them and start mining one month later. The 10xAM Prisma owner will start mining 1 month earlier, but in that one month of head start he will only regain the difference of price compared to the 2xSP35 miners (~1200$). After the first month both solutions will have the same profit per month, except that the AM Prisma owner will need a bigger electricity circuit than the SP35 owner.As for your 0.1 BTC I will reply you in the dedicated thread, no need to be so desperate. |
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Please show me the miners who are paying 0.05$/kWh! Also would you be so kind to explain why are you making a projection with such a low electricity cost for AM miners, while when making projections for competition you use higher electricity prices: At $0.1/kwh it would take 416 days of mining before the SP31 becomes a better deal. I do hope compensation is not only for $/gh. At 0.15 $/kwh each machine will use an extra ~$1500 per year in electricity. I do understand that you are biased, but at least try to make the projections the same for everyone, not giving an advantage to AM miners. this guy must be very dumb or be working for friedcat.  which one is it ? He is an AM shareholder, but is is to shy to put it in his sig. |
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Based on static conditions - 300 Ph/s network hash rate, 0.1 USD/kWh, $500 USD/BTC and immediate mining start, AM's new Prisma overtakes the S3+ and closes the gap on the SP35 Hey Mabsark I think you missed ckolivas post. This is not a speculation thread and the Prisma miners are not available for immediate mining startCan we please stick to the topic as the signal to noise ratio for a spondoolies tech hardware thread is far too low and mostly speculation and scam accusations and name calling and other unrelated nonsense. Stay on topic please. Splitting the various discussions that go on will be impossible so I'm just going to start deleting offtopic posts.
Thank you for sticking to the subject. |
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So when will the devices ROI?
Faster than any other asic on the market by far. Why not share some of your magic crystal ball numbers? Why not back up your statement with something? We can all start throwing with statements. For example I state that these devices will not ROI. Prove me I am wrong. |
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11 days since the 'Brace For Impact' announcement that Titan was shipping. No Titan's observed in the wild.
KNC Fail
Things change fast in bitcoin world. Glad to see you in this club! Stay away from KNC! |
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95 | Uses own chips?
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Uses preorders? | Yes
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ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. It greatly reduces power
consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.
Shipping date: 8th October, 2014 to 27th October, 2014
The Guide is out of date. When are you updating it? |
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$400 to ship 75KG is actually pretty inexpensive. So when will the devices ROI? why bother pay 14.9 BTC for these when they can only produce like 9-10 BTC ?
So I take it you have a magic crystal ball too? Mine says these can easily break even with cheap electricity. How many days for ROI with what electricity price? |
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why bother pay 14.9 BTC for these when they can only produce like 9-10 BTC ?
So I take it you have a magic crystal ball too? Mine says these can easily break even with cheap electricity. How many days for ROI with what electricity price? |
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Can you please stop updating your message without changing it ? I get an email every time you do that and it is annoying. We got your message, we're all in the same boat :-( I always thought that BA is deleting his message and he is posting it again and again. |
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