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1521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll - Mt. Gox Rollback - We Finally see our Accounts on: June 25, 2011, 02:09:51 PM
Ask him to reset the presumable account lock when doing the password recovery - apparently if you forget your password and you try too hard your account is locked and password recovery only frustrates you even more, because you cannot login with the new password (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=22296.msg281352#msg281352).  And also let people do that password recovery multiple times instead of once in life.
1522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MT GOX - Account-Tool - Not working..? on: June 25, 2011, 01:02:26 PM
are you guys using the right username? it's not your email.
Yes - I used the username at the Forgot login form - and that worked.

Anyway - if someone else has the same problem, maybe we'll check what we have in common.  Did you have a long password?  After all the security hopla I devised mine to be 17 characters.   Did you have two accounts at mtgox with the same email?  Did you have a substantial balance at your account?
1523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MT GOX - Account-Tool - Not working..? on: June 25, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
This is really strange - I've tried this password recovery, replaced the password and tried to login again - the same failure.  Now, before starting a full paranoia, I am thinking that maybe they have some MySQL database that truncates the password I am entering or something.  Unfortunately I cannot get another password recovery chance it says it is sending the email with a new password recovery key - but nothing new arrives, the first recovery email was there in seconds.
1524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THE DE-GOXER - check your balance history and access logs - FOR REAL on: June 25, 2011, 10:29:44 AM
Error in login or password, please retry. Please note that this interface is only available to accounts having completed the recovery process.

Huh I have message stating me account verification was successful, and the user/pass combo is definitely correct
Do you by any chance have two mtgox accounts?
1525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MTGOX opening - GOXED on: June 25, 2011, 08:58:12 AM
My account recovery was accepted, but the claim status page to check account balance shows incorrect pass. it's definately correct as it's from keepass and backed up elsewhere  Undecided

MT.Gox has been a total joke during this incident, I have until tonight to pay my rent, I've been delaying my landlord everytime I see an 'updated' time on the status page, only for it to change later, he thinks I'm taking the piss. Understand things can take time but i would have preferred them just saying it's going to be one week rather than posting deadlines they are not competent enough to meet
I cannot be so sure myself - but I am still the failure is annoying.  Maybe they do that to selected accounts.
1526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll - Mt. Gox Rollback - We Finally see our Accounts on: June 25, 2011, 08:54:37 AM
Am i the only one who cant access my account?
Im sure im inserting username and password correctly!
Yeah - me too.  They should definitively add a password recovery link there.
1527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll - Mt. Gox Rollback - We Finally see our Accounts on: June 25, 2011, 08:21:19 AM
It seems that I forgot that super secure password I made up - or maybe there is some other issue as I had two accounts.
1528  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Watching amateur finance types flail on: June 24, 2011, 06:56:41 PM
The counterpoint to this is that all money is in a state of permanent bubble - the value of money is always higher then it's substrate - that's like the very thing that defines money.  Also that additional value comes from speculation - the source of money value is the speculation that in the future someone will accept it as a payment for something else.  Historically (as it is very well explained in http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html) this additional value was gained gradually.  It was growing from real barter value of things and from how easy it was to use something as money.  But this small steps process is only the way evolution works - it is reasonable to think that we can also 'engineer' money and leap over the many evolutionary steps.  It is also plausible to think that the appreciation we have of art (and of gold as something used to make it) is the evolutionary effect (or co-effect) of the fact that it is useful as money.  Of course all of this is very risky - and there is no guarantee that the value of bitcoin will not drop down to zero very quickly (due to it's bubbly nature) - but this is fair for a 'startup' currency.

Another possible counterpoint is that bitcoin in it's core is also a money transfer mechanism that can be used in all the places where PayPal is now used.  Sure it is not yet there - but again - this is the startup phase.  A $1.5 billion evaluation for a system like that is not unreasonable - as we have seen.
1529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My account request was rejected by MtGox - what should I do? on: June 24, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
On my one account I've got acceptance at the second try.  On the second one I've got two rejections.  Now I have two problems.  First I don't really know which one is which - what complicates the retrieving of relevant info.  Second all of the options even the catchall 'Other' can be used just one time - after using all the options relevant for my accounts (I've not used dwolla or LR - so they are useless for me) I am left with no way to add more information.
1530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just got "account claim successful" from Mt Gox - anyone else? on: June 24, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
Just got acceptance for one of my two accounts (after the initial rejection) and rejection to the other one.  Problem is I have no idea which one it was.  Both use the same email address - so it's not very logical that one is accepted and the other no - but maybe they did not notice that.
1531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Information for MtGox Confirmation Acceptance on: June 24, 2011, 10:07:22 AM
I just had an idea for MtGox - maybe they should require a proof of control over one of bitcoin addresses used for withdrawals of deposits (the older the operation the better).  It could be easily done by making a transaction from that address - then MtGox could verify that on blockexplorer or using their own software on their bitcoin block copy.
1532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just got "account claim rejected" from Mt Gox - anyone else? on: June 24, 2011, 07:58:20 AM
Also got rejected. I just thought that the sure way for them to verify the claims would be to ask for a transfer of a specific sum from one of the addresses used for withdrawing to what ever other address (does not matter - it just needs to be visible in the block explorer).
1533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox won't "indulge" us with an answer to conflict of interest. on: June 23, 2011, 05:26:32 PM
It can also be a private account of one of the MtGox owners.
1534  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Camp BX Platform in Beta: Margin Trading, Short Selling, and Advanced Orders on: June 23, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
How can we check that the company is indeed registered in Georgia?
1535  Economy / Trading Discussion / Camp BX - a new US-based exchange - on: June 22, 2011, 09:09:59 PM
Looks flashy.  Claims complience with financial regulations in the US.  In particular:

"We are incorporated in State of Georgia and are subject to the local jurisdiction, unlike other off-shore operations. We maintain all funds received in FDIC-insured bank accounts, and have an active compliance program to adhere to all legal requirements."

How one can check this?
1536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Mt Gox Master Plan on: June 22, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
Why would he have an advantage as an exchange? The guy running the exchange has no more information than we have, except maybe the black pool.


Black pool is one advantage - but the bigger one is the current balances and also the time and dates of in and out transfers.
1537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if bitcoins that can be tracked back to Silk Road are declared 'illegal'? on: June 22, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Let's say I decide to buy something for 100 btc from Vendor A; When I send that amount it gets consolidated into ONE address.

Vendor A then decides to buy 2 items for 50 btc each, from Vendor B and Vendor C.

It is then discovered that of my original 100 btc, 50 btc came from selling drugs.

So who's coins are now 'dirty'?

Vendor B's coins
Vendor C's coins
Both (all 100 btc is now dirty)
Neither (all 100 btc is now clean)
And whatever choice you make, you don't hurt the person who you need to hurt -- the person who sold drugs or the person who bought them. By the time you could do something, it's too late to hurt anyone but innocent people.
First - as I've already stated in the update above - I don't think that this can be effective any more - but for other reason.  As to hurting innocent people - this is not much different from counterfeited dollar bills - it is the receiver who is responsible to check for the validity of the bill.
1538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What if bitcoins that can be tracked back to Silk Road are declared 'illegal'? on: June 22, 2011, 06:27:39 AM
Update: I posted this - and then I realized that the sellers can use a new address for each transaction - so this would never be effective.

Just a thought experiment.  My understanding is that every bitcoin can be tracked back through the list of all accounts it has been in up to the transaction that generated it.  Sure there are online mixers where you can exchange bitcoins - but what if the government would not care how many hops the bitcoins go through and instead declared that if they ever were in some bitcoin account (like Silk Road sellers account or Wikileaks account) - then they are illegal.  Sure maybe most users would not care where their bitcoins come from - but many would start checking the origin of theirs.
1539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Aftermath - Where will it leave BTC? on: June 20, 2011, 06:09:59 PM
What boat did you just fall off? Why would I buy if I wanted to sell? I'm going to buy a few low and drive the price up to sell? How old are you, 4?
Oh - how I love this type of arguments, but yeah - OK, it actually makes me believe that you were honest Smiley  Take into account that I did not wrote you want to sell (or want to buy) only that you sounded as if you wanted, but maybe I am only losing time trying to explain the difference?

Right, you did not write that I wanted to sell. You wrote....

Quote
you really wanted to sell

You're wasting everyone's time.

Well - that is quoting out of context - read again what I wrote. 
1540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Aftermath - Where will it leave BTC? on: June 20, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
What boat did you just fall off? Why would I buy if I wanted to sell? I'm going to buy a few low and drive the price up to sell? How old are you, 4?
Oh - how I love this type of arguments, but yeah - OK, it actually makes me believe that you were honest Smiley  Take into account that I did not wrote you want to sell (or want to buy) only that you sounded as if you wanted, but maybe I am only losing time trying to explain the difference?
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