Draw your own conclusions, I have mine. You probably think I'm biased as they were competition, but I have friends that were personally scammed by dicebitco.in to the rigging and I will never trust them again nor should anyone else. I'd be willing to help Dooglus relaunch his website if we can think up a more provably fair investment scheme just so people have a safe place to invest.
This is what I think Stunna wanted to say but it was not clear enough.
You should not trust anyone except him and Primedice.
Dice sites with invest option are dangerous because max profit easily can go above 20BTC and that's the max on primedice. This makes them more interesting then PD and they attract more whales while PD is left with faucet players.
All Stunna cares and wants is Primedice to be largest dice site and he will do everything he can to trash his competition.
One thing I don't understand, why there is a such need to come to competitors site and write anything in their thread? Especially trash talk and your own negative opinion and theories.
I'm not defending DB, I personably think they F*****UP and I would never invest or play there.
As for Primedice and Stunna honesty, here are some facts I did notice, you make your own decisions.
1. Primedice 2
- highest paid signature campaign
- ton of money thrown away on signatures, faucet etc.
- A few if any users with positive account
- People complaining of PD being rigged because server hash was changing all the time, overall shady provably fair where you had to wait 24h for secret seed.
2. Primedice 3 released
- new provably fair introduced (proper one)
- faucet reduced
- signature campaign reduced totally, members dropped...suddenly there is no extra money for this
- a LOT more people start to win, more people with positive accounts
- overall cutting costs wherever they can
To me this means that they stole shit load of BTC on PD2 and now playing to be honest people helping others not to get scammed.
This is the most illogical string of thoughts I've seen on this thread. I think it's safe to say that primedice is the biggest bitcoin gambling site at the moment and isn't struggling financially.
1. Faucet was reduced as our userbase has increased by 5x which has attracted the attention of more people looking to exploit it. Faucet is still higher than PD2 faucet on average (our PD2 faucet was 250 for non-whitelisted users, now anyone can get to a 10,000+sat faucet by wagering).
2. Signature campaign was supposed to close several months ago, it hasn't been very effective in many months and has contributed to forum spam while being a major hassle to run.
3. There are more winners and more losers given that the our userbase has increased significantly
4. If I had bad intentions couldn't I just launch an investment site myself and undetectably scam millions?
If you want to debate me do it from your main account, I'm well aware that you are either the founder of luckynumber or an admin and have used that account for ill actions:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621659.0 . I know that you are just trying to dodge negative trust on your other account and are farming trusts right now to launch your new scammy investment site. I felt extremely deceived when I talked to you via PM and gave you my reasons for why I felt the way I did about LN and it turned out that you were proven to be giftcoins/luckynumber. I'm not surprised that you choose to blast me at any possible opportunity granted that I did the same with your website, but please grow a pair of balls and do it properly.
Good luck trying to regain people's trust after potentially scamming over a thousand coins.
I stand by everything I said including the part about the 1000 coins.
I don't think I understand. What 1000 coins are you talking about here?
The site claims 122,000 coins have been wagered, 300 coins have been delivered to investors and I'd imagine that half of the invested funds if not the majority during the mateo incident were the site's own money.
It took me a while to understand the relevance of those numbers. I now think you mean the following:
Since 122k coins were wagered, the expected profit is 1220 BTC. The actual profit is just 300 BTC of which half were earned by the site itself. So the profit is 820 short because the site stole it, and they also earned 150 from Mateo's loss, so that's a total of 970 BTC they've taken.
Is that it?
Just-Dice only earned 0.35% of turnover even though the house edge was 1%. The shortfall was something like 34k BTC. I hope you don't think we stole that too. As you've no doubt noticed on PrimeDice the variance is huge when the house edge is just 1%.
I wasn't implying that was the case with JD, obviously there is a chance of that being the case although I personally lean against that belief. That's how ridiculous these types of investments are, you're a trustworthy person but we ultimately have to take you at your word for 10k-20k coins. Even you'd agree that level of trust is ridiculous, now imagine doing the same with someone completely brand new in the community who has a proven scam record.
I think the possibility is rather high of this being the case on DB given their track record. Basically what I alleged is Dicebitco.in is a proven scam and had the opportunity to discretely steal ~1000 coins and given the fact that they are indeed proven scammers that possibility seems rather likely. If you had nonce-skipped on JD I probably would have accused you of the same thing. After all if someone is going to detectably scam wouldn't you think they would also undetectably do so? The point I'm trying to make it someone who has committed a proven scam should not be given benefit of the doubt, if you think they still deserve that then I think you're naive.
My opinions with regards to investments aren't very popular and I stand in an extremely biased position, but ultimately so many people in this community lack common sense and I'm just trying to provide some balanced argument. The idea that I'm trashing investment sites because I'm greedy or can't stand competition is a recurring argument. I'm pretty sure I'd stand to make much more if I allowed investment on primedice, the risk to investors is too high though and I don't think I'm worthy of that level of trust & responsibility nor can I figure out a way to make it provably fair.
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