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1821  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: June 16, 2016, 06:11:52 PM
Klassik death rattles continue to amuse:

This is the reason for the flood of hate from /r/btc. This is the death of Classic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4odxl5/this_is_the_reason_for_the_flood_of_hate_from/

Quote from: Frogolocalypse
The hard fork classic experiment is an abject failure and has been the rallying cry of /r/btc for months. Over the past five days the last resistance of any player has buckled and all they have left are their tantrums. Since the capitulation it has been non stop whinge in /r/bitcoin because they realise no one is listening to them anymore.

 Cheesy
1822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Fiat Collapsing. Gold/Silver/Bitcoin UP. on: June 16, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
Gold Tops $1300; Bitcoin Spikes To 28-Month Highs

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-15/currency-nado-yen-yuan-surge-gold-tops-1300-bitcoin-spikes-28-month-highs

Just like his hero Mike Hearn sold his BTC too soon, Frap.doc got completely out of gold just in time to miss the spike.

When you invest (or divest) based on emotion, you make bad decisions.

Hearn's whiny, public capitulation --> BTC spike
Frap.doc's whiny, public capitulation --> Gold spike
klee's whiny, public capitulation --> Monero spike

I'm loving it!   Cool
1823  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 16, 2016, 04:40:20 PM
Damn, beat me by two seconds!

I wonder why this isn't at the top of Imgur?



Also, a gun-grabbing socialist MP was just shot dead in the UK.

Irony.  Don't bring the Fabian Manifesto to a gun fight!  LOL
1824  Other / Politics & Society / Re: British MP shot dead (Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen) on: June 16, 2016, 04:34:44 PM
Q:
What do you call one Fabian bleeding to death on the floor?

















A:
A good start!

 Grin

/too soon?
1825  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: June 16, 2016, 04:44:53 AM
Monero is gaining fresh GUI and RingCT code.  Dash is losing Armory wallet support.

Still "No Comment" from Duffield about if Dash will ever support versionbits, CLTV/CSV, SEGWIT, MAST, RBF, sidechains, Lightning/payment channels, etc.

We should start counting how many BIPs Dash has fallen behind...   Grin


The predictable market reaction:

1826  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 16, 2016, 04:33:39 AM
What Stands Between #DigitalCurrency & 'Mass Adoption'?
(#AmandaBjohnson Show 2)
 Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAyoXtx3wxQ

I'd love to see a vigorous, educational discussion about Masternodes, DuffSend, etc. with Evan and a well-informed Dash skeptic/critic like fluffypony.

Or is this show for promotional purposes only, and intended to remain a ((Dash ((echo)) chamber))?    Cheesy
I remember a time when people were genuinely worried and threatened by your posts here. Now your posts have gone from threatening to just merely quaint. The confidence is ever-growing in this project, and your posts seldomly garner a response anymore. The progress we've made in less than three years has been mindboggling, and we've done it through all of your mud-slinging, spin and innuendo. Sorry your travelling clown show doesn't pack 'em in like it used to...

You must have a reason for omitting my non-threatening "merely quaint" posts.  But that doesn't matter.

What matters is you avoid answering the question about whether or not the DailyDash sponsored content will be a one-sided echo chamber of puff pieces or factual educational documentary/investigative journalism.

I wonder why you don't want to answer that question.

Is it because the echo chamber will continue, with no points of view falling outside approved Evan's Gate cargo cult parameters allowed?

Hows about you get off your troll lazing ass and organise it then instead of whining all the time?

The echo chamber is actually inside your head, because everyone else here is actually doing work to move Dash forward rather than sitting on bitcointalk all day long sprouting dogshit like yourself.

It's just a suggestion.

Settle down, Beavis!   Smiley
1827  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 16, 2016, 03:47:36 AM
What Stands Between #DigitalCurrency & 'Mass Adoption'?
(#AmandaBjohnson Show 2)
 Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAyoXtx3wxQ

I'd love to see a vigorous, educational discussion about Masternodes, DuffSend, etc. with Evan and a well-informed Dash skeptic/critic like fluffypony.

Or is this show for promotional purposes only, and intended to remain a ((Dash ((echo)) chamber))?    Cheesy
I remember a time when people were genuinely worried and threatened by your posts here. Now your posts have gone from threatening to just merely quaint. The confidence is ever-growing in this project, and your posts seldomly garner a response anymore. The progress we've made in less than three years has been mindboggling, and we've done it through all of your mud-slinging, spin and innuendo. Sorry your travelling clown show doesn't pack 'em in like it used to...

You must have a reason for omitting my non-threatening "merely quaint" posts.  But that doesn't matter.

What matters is you avoid answering the question about whether or not the DailyDash sponsored content will be a one-sided echo chamber of puff pieces or factual educational documentary/investigative journalism.

I wonder why you don't want to answer that question.

Is it because the echo chamber will continue, with no points of view falling outside approved Evan's Gate cargo cult parameters allowed?
1828  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do the Democrats Have a "Party Line" Position on Bitcoin? on: June 16, 2016, 01:57:12 AM
Democratic Party line on BTC:

"Everything that is not permitted is forbidden."


That is also the Republican party line on BTC.  Strange bedfellows, eh?   Tongue
1829  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 16, 2016, 01:30:56 AM
What Stands Between #DigitalCurrency & 'Mass Adoption'?
(#AmandaBjohnson Show 2)
 Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAyoXtx3wxQ

I'd love to see a vigorous, educational discussion about Masternodes, DuffSend, etc. with Evan and a well-informed Dash skeptic/critic like fluffypony.

Or is this show for promotional purposes only, and intended to remain a ((Dash ((echo)) chamber))?   Cheesy
1830  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: June 12, 2016, 12:09:20 AM
Latest "Classic" move,   https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4nkmzp/the_ultimate_defence_against_the_alleged/   "The ultimate defence against the alleged xthinblock attack is header-first mining"

So "unlimited" (and proposed for "classic" but classic, seems mostly dead) has an efficient block relay scheme (their homegrown analog of BIP152) with a design flaw.

The way it works is this: When I relay a block to you, I give you a list of the transaction IDs in the block so you can match them out of your mempool instead of getting them from me.  To save bandwidth instead of sending the whole ID I send only the first couple digits of it.  They reasoned that they sent enough digits that it would be really unlikely for two txn in your mempool to have the same truncated IDs by chance.

What they didn't account for is the well known result, often called the "birthday paradox", that it is _much_ easier to compute two messages sharing the same short hash than you'd expect.  Because of this, with the scheme in unlimited it's very easy for people to make pairs of transactions with matching short IDs and send them to the network. Any block that includes one of these TXN will propagate more slowly (because the reconstruction will fail, and it will have to take a round trip and retry with more data.).

This flaw is something I spotted back in 2014 while working on some of the design work which later became part of BIP152, and I came up with a simple solution: Instead of truncating the txid, you hash it with a keyed value that isn't known to the attacker (we just have the sender pick one).

It's not the biggest deal in the world, but that fix shuts down some easily perpetrated vandalism (which could also potentially performed for profit reasons) at basically no cost.

The "classic" response?  If miners don't verify anything at all, well then it doesn't matter to the miners how long it takes for block data to reach them. And since big miners and companies are all that are classically important, and SPV wallets (which make a strong security assumption that miners validate) are not... why bother fixing the flawed protocol?

Never-mind the fact that classic's attempt at this was already aborted.

OMG, report GMAX to FBI for publishing Evil Hax0ring tools!

/S

How could Team Unlimiturd be so ignorant and negligent?

Even a filthy casual like me is aware of 'the well known result, often called the "birthday paradox".'

Are they just trying to blow our circuits by making up nonsense faster than we (IE, you) can refute it?  That's a classic TLA movement/community disruption tactic (look what it did to Occupy for example).

Such baffling, remarkably unconvincing displays of incompetence are becoming suspiciously common, as some of the same members of Team Gavinista are now scraping the bottom of the FUD barrel by spreading the rumor that public keys are not safe to be made public.

Perhaps there is no malice afoot, or perhaps the Deep State having an existential crisis over the issue, which Bitcoin has forced, of public key encryption.

Regardless, let's all take a moment to give thanks for the everyday miracle of public key cryptography and wish it a Happy Birthday!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/five-simple-ideas-heart-cryptography-warren-mcpherson

On Saturday, June 11 2016, the Turing Award is being presented to Whitfield Diffie and Martin Hellman whose 1976 paper "New Directions in Cryptography" showed how people who had not made previous arrangements could communicate privately over an open channel.

Describing the accomplishment, Professor Jonathan Katz says

"The invention of public-key encryption was a revolution in cryptography."

 Cool



Death to the counter-revolutionaries!
1831  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 11, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
So even if the jury decided with my side (a 50/50 proposition according to both sides) I would still be facing up to an additional $100,000 in attorny's fees to prove my property was innocent in a totally separate civil court.

$80k might buy a significant amount of justice on the free market...
1832  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 11, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
Humm, I just noticed that that huge sell wall at 0.015 disappeared?  Buy wall is still there though?

I can still see it there tante. Someone will buy it eventually.

Or those 27,000 coins will be dumped on the market, taking out 5/6 of the support at 0.013.

Either way, the price isn't going past 0.015 anytime soon.

I wish Tunga would stop harming the Dash price/community, and obey the wishes of the Masternode owners by deleting his silly/outdated YouTube channel.   Embarrassed
1833  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 11, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
DASH Continues Upward Trend Across the Markets

The full title of the article is "DASH Continues Upward Trend Across Bitcoin and Monero Markets."

Not sure why you'd want to leave that out.   Undecided

Sad to see themerkle publishing cheerleading (sponsored content?) pump pieces like this, although the part reporting that

Quote
not too many people are paying attention to DASH

is very true.

The #DashturbationNation #InternetOfSpam link farming campaign is paying negative dividends, as Tao and Dash go from merely shunned to actively despised.   Tongue
1834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: June 10, 2016, 08:09:01 PM
Is censorship a serious problem?

No, censorship is not a serious (or even real) problem.

The moderation here is very light-handed, with a few random exceptions when mprep has been drinking or whatever.

The intentional conflation of censorship and moderation was being used as a red herring and wedge issue in the Gavinistas' social engineering attack on Bitcoin's public forums and governance structures.

It's not fun watching super-smarty-pants world class crypto guys (Backamoto, Gmax, Cryddit) fall hook, line, and sinker for the censorship martyrs' cries of "help help I'm being repressed!"

That tactic was crafted to appeal to cypherpunk "information wants to be free" sentiments, and it worked better than anything else XT or Klassic did.   Tongue

Kudos to Thermos for sticking to his guns and not letting the bastards get him down!
1835  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 10, 2016, 07:55:31 PM
There seems to be some vast shorting demand, see:

http://monerodice.pd.to/polo_snapshot_compare.php?id=185608&id2=188862

185608 = yesterday morning (~ 11:30 UTC)

188862 = today (~14:30 UTC)

Rates also up from ~0.0015% to ~0.0400%

Only 46k XMR available now and rates are up to 0.1%.   Shocked

Keep squeezing the shorts; make them eat losses as they run for cover.   Cool
1836  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Darkcoin aka DASH - The biggest ongoing SCAM in crypto on: June 10, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
Posting facts is not trolling.

Indeed, but posting the same facts over and over again can be counter-productive, and legitimate contribution can turn to trolling if some groups doing it constantly and vocally enough.

If the goal is to warn newbies to do their research because more crap is uncovered each week, that is not being repetitive.

For you, if it is hard to deal with, just put the user in question on ignore and go about your business if it bothers you that much.

Some facts are reposted because they are not being addressed directly by Evan when questioned about it.

DashHoles are very angry Monero is going up and getting attention from Bitcoin whales like melbustus and Roger Ver.

Hilarity ensues as they attack only to get slapped down...   Smiley

Quote from: melbustus
1837  Economy / Auctions / Re: Signature space - Staff - Legendary member - 6100+ posts - around 50 posts/month on: June 10, 2016, 03:12:14 AM
0.06 BTC
1838  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 10, 2016, 01:38:12 AM
In Ver's case, it's not his Bitcoin investment he's worried about... it's his Zcash investment.

I assume it's considerably more risky to invest in a community-driven project that you have no control over and can only hope the price increases. Compare that to investing in an already greatly hyped, for-profit project where you can sit back and collect 20% of the mining revenue. He makes money even if the price never moves.

Roger Ver isn't interested in tech that much, just his wallet IMO. XMR is a threat, so he doesn't want it to succeed, period.

Monero is one of the most grassroots libertarian things that has ever existed.  So of course Professional Libertarians like Ver hate/ignore it.

They can't stand Monero's demonstrated organic growth and limitless, permissionless potential.

INB4 Zerocash rebrands to "Monero Classic."   Roll Eyes
1839  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 10, 2016, 01:07:37 AM

Shen Noether (NobleSir) already responded. Zcash team (Ian Miers -> https://z.cash/team.html) should at least know their shit before they respond.

Oh sweet mother of the continuum, this is going to be good!   Cool

*grabs chair, makes coffee, buys popcorn futures*

I love discussions so advanced I have only the faintest idea what is going on and no clue as to who is correct.   Cool

For all of us in the peanut gallery, can someone (IE smooth/fluffy/gmax/The Todd) explain or provide linky explaining

-the impact of RingCT on blockchain growth/pruneability

-the impact of RingCT on where Monero falls in the anonymity set spectrum between good-enough CoinJoin (simplest thing that possibly works) and the supreme perfection of Zcash (Ultimate AnonymityTM +/- toxic waste)?

Full disclosure: when I was figuring out how to spell "pruneability" I found this: http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/01/blockchain-scalability.html

Bonus question: Does the "sharding" approach used by ETH have any applicability to Monero and Zerocash's blockchain bloat problems?
1840  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 09, 2016, 10:15:47 PM
And now on HackerNews:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Peter Todd joining in the discussion...

The Todd just rekt ikken for being an ignorant hypocrite (*complains about "one-sided" article; proceeds to make one-sided criticism of XMR blockchain bloat problem that is orders of magnitude worse for Zcash*).

 Cheesy
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