DASH governance system
time to implement the 2MB blocks? The time to implement 2MB blocks was when the overwhelming majority of Masternodes voted in favor of doing so. The fact 2MB blocks are still nowhere nearer to being implemented demonstrates Dash's "distributed governance by blockchain" matters about as much as a Student Council resolution does to their school district's Superintendent. The Evan's Gate Elementary School Student Council may vote in favor of 2MB blocks, but Superintendent Duffield will just smile indulgently and say "OK, we'll see." |
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Must be a slow day over at Monero  I think they're just using Dash as a comfort blanket for now. They take comfort in the failure of their own coin by beating on Dash...kind of like an abusive spouse lol. These guys redefine the term sociapath in the digital context. it's really sad, I suppose Dash just has to put up with the sideshow clowns until certain whales on their only exchange run out of BTC. Might be a while yet, aparently the main one has 100,000 BTC and will prop it up regardless of how much they run around spreading toxicity all over the Alt community. Good job that with Evolution, Dash will be mainstream in the not to distant future and these trolls are going to be the biggest Luddites in the Bitcoin/Dash world... EDIT: And with that revelation...bored of BCT trolls. Back to DashTalk  Aww, poor BlockaFett ragequit because mean cryptography experts trolls like GMAX, PTODD, coblee, fluffypony, vertoe, and Solarminer cried fraud when they saw Dash's fraud. That was over a year ago. He has yet to return from his cloistered echo chamber located deep inside the cult compound's safe space. Where is the Evolution "revelation" (LOL) BlockaFett claimed would make Dash "mainstream in the not to distant future?" Oh that's right, 16 months later we don't even have an Evolusham whitepaper or beta, much less see Dash "in the mainstream." |
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Yep, solid coin, solid developments, solid community.
If only we had a bit more challenging trolls ..... no offence Icey.
You guys call anyone who fails to clap loudly enough for Dash a troll, no matter how qualified an expert in crypto they are. Greg Maxwell? Troll! Peter Todd? Troll! Charlie Lee? Troll! Fluffypony? Troll! Solarminer? Troll! vertoe? Troll! The term has lost all meaning other than as a convenient label to identify who you want attacked by the Dash cult enforcers. If only Dash had a more solid way to fund projects and make sure they actually happen by holding someone accountable. No offense Lamassu ATM vaporware guy; no offense Mycelium vaporware guys; no offense Legal Research vaporware guy. No offense Masternode blinding vaporware guy; no offense PR/marketing fiasco guys... And especially no offense 2MB block vaporware guy! |
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[low value price speculation]
Dear Otoh, Please only post low-value altcoin price speculation chatter in the appropriate "Speculation (Altcoins)" subforum in an appropriate thread, such as this one. [DASH] Dash Price and Trade Discussion Thread [UNMODERATED] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736249.0Thank you for helping keep [ANN] threads reserved for substantive discussion and uncluttered by worthless ephemeral trollbox noise. |
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It's important that those of us that wish to question things and ask for accountability should remain doing so.
For example, I've been advocating for a budget performance matrix for all funded projects. I've been willing to donate handsomely for this kind of thing where everyone is being held accountable via a standalone website.
There are literally 10s of thousands of dollars being dished out... And no accountability. I purposed before the holidays that we set up an independent site that that strictly evaluates funding proposals performance as well as a complete detailed information on all aspects of the individual budgets, who they are, how much was the proposal worth in a couple of currencies what were the deliverables etc etc. Then finally a rating of how well the budget proposal did at fullfilling it's duties... This could even be voted on.
This is how we can help everyone in community to remain confident that funds parties are being given, are held accountable by the whole community.
Thanks. You you have the right idea. The simplest solution is to downvote every proposal that doesn't give acceptable updates. That could even be forced by a vote reset every month. Maybe we post a budget proposal to fund a separate independent site that does what we are talking about. At least at that point...the community as a whole can evaluate for themselves what is and isn't being done for example...and how much DASH is being given out. With the amount of money now being generated by the budget system...there now needs to be oversight. The problem as I've stated on the slack channel today is there is just way to many moving parts and certainly there isn't enough oversight over all the pieces. I would propose to create a committee that sole goal is to evaluate, collect and report on information regarding all budget proposals and the people and company involved. The purpose...transparency. This committee can be made of anyone that is concerned DASH community member. It should be independent of core dev team and master node operators if possible. In fact I'm sure we could have community members donate DASH to maintain the site and any out of pocket costs and should NOT be funded from the superblock to be impartial. I would volunteer to create a Wallet address for donated funds to the project and report on a monthly statement by my accounting firm the status of said funds. I offered to start with 50 DASH in the slack channel...but I couldn't get TAO to connect with me...I would still certainly do this still...and I'd be willing to donate more. Thoughts? This the wrong approach to solving the problems with no accountability stemming from the intrinsic nature of the way DASH creates money from nothing and gives it away without any enforcement mechanisms. You aren't addressing the root causes by throwing 50 DASH at the problem and creating yet another layer of Band-Aid on top of the necrotic, festering Superblock organ. The entire system of free Superblock money being doled out by those who do not have 'skin in the game' (or worse, have self-dealing conflicts of interest) must be removed and replaced with a more reliable and well thought out project funding and management mechanism. You can't fix the underlying issues by just heaping on more layers that only function as after-the-fact rearguard reactions. Is it really asking too much that those who are in favor of projects pony up the money to fund them? Isn't the widely acknowledged best practice to use escrow and have funding tied to development milestones, including actual deliverables? I know you don't want to hear this, but try to get over your hurt little feelings and recognize that Monero's Forum Funding System (FFS) has been a great success, while avoiding all the problems DASH is now vainly struggling to overcome. While you guys tear each other up trying to do trivial basic stuff like run a Slack and set up a soda machine, Monero's FFS successfully implemented RingCT, a brilliant new way to ensure fungibility, as well as a very nice GUI and other useful under the hood futureproofing stuff like 0MQ. Instead of trying to reinvent the governance wheel (which has been amply demonstrated to not be Dash's core competency) why not just go with what's already been proven to work? Fluffy might even sell you the code to https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress for the last Superblock grant if you ask nicely....  |
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You are yet another bitter NeverTrumper.
Nope. I and Armstrong correctly predicted he would win. I even wrote a detailed blog a month before the election explaining exactly why he would win (turnout demographics) and I was correct. I just also knew that Rothschilds was controlling Wikileaks and engineered Trump's victory for a reason. And within 2 - 3 years, you'll know I was correct again. Asshats who are hanging their hats on Trump, aren't dealing with the fundamental issue that destroying them which I am trying to explain in the recent posts. Trump can't save you. Sorry. Good...good... Let the salt flow through you... Lots of NeverTrumpers knew Trump would win because Hil's turnout was being brutally suppressed by meme magic. Being salty about it is what makes you a NeverTrumper. You could just be grateful we dodged the bullet of an 8th consecutive Bush-Clinton-Obama (IE CIA-MIC) administration. But because you are a miserable, wretched person, you can't bring yourself to embrace the wholly undeserved miracle that avoided Madam Inevitable's ascension to the Iron Throne. So you never miss an opportunity make Perfect the mortal enemy of Good Enough. Sad. |
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I don't see anything about 2020 above. Title of this thread, created by one of your schizophrenic socks: Is a Madmax outcome coming before 2020? All I see if there is a missing word "after" in between 'peak' and '2015.75', which is everyone knows from reading me I often accidently elide intended words. Just go read a lot of my prose. For cripes sake, I had Tuberculosis for the past several years and delirium. I am allowed to miss type a word. It is clear from the context what I was intended. Even if for the sake of argument I accede to your twist on Munchhausen syndrome (which I know full well is part of the New Age Hustle Pro Version), you still have to explain why, well over a year after the date you predicted, there is no sign of interest rates having peaked. You made an incorrect prediction (among many others) and have to own that. "But Muh Tuberculosis & Delirium" isn't a valid excuse, even if you purport it to be an explanation for your failed doomsday newsletter propheteering. Your 2015.75 prediction was strictly speaking incorrect on Jan 1 2016, and now (a year later) there's no wiggle room for you left. Squirm all you like. Allude to whatever real and imagined maladies afflict you. You are just another failed doomsday prophet. And you will still be a failed doomsday prophet in 2021, when we fail to harvest methane from pig farms and fight to the death in Thunderdomes (not saying Tina Turner won't be running things in 2021 though  ). |
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Don't quote me out-of-context: I can't wait to see how you rationalize the failure of the world to comply with Martinfoil and your 'Doomsday 2015.75' prediction. Better start hedging that bet ASAP!
There has not been any such failure. 2015.75 is the start of the BIG BANG. It is when the USA reaches the top of its current up trajectory and starts to head down. It doesn't mean we will all be starving and shivering in the dark in October. It will take some years for the collapse to ensue and amplify in effect.Armstrong has been saying since 2012, when he correctly predicted the capital flows to return to the dollar, that US stock market phase transition could be delayed into the 2015.75 - 2017 timeframe. He had often stated that he would not know the answer until the closing of 2014. Exactly as he predicted, the market gave him this answer with the Treasury bonds elected THREE YEARLY REVERSAL signals. Thus he now knows the phase transition will first be in Treasury bonds to peak 2015.75, then we enter the BIG BANG of sovereign debt collapse. STFU mofo. The transition was delayed into the timeframe presented (although Putin entered the Syrian theater officially on Oct 1, 2015 precisely on schedule so the BIG BANG did start right on time). And yes the Tbonds have finally peaked as the Fed has begun raising rates and the strong dollar vortex is underway with the comicotant rise in the USA stock market and the decline in gold. He even precisely called the deadcat bounce to $1362 for gold and recently the deadcat bounce to $1221. STFU mofo. And you are eliding my numerous other predictions and Armstrong's numerous other predictions which were spot on. First you make specific, falsifiable claims about 2015.75. When those claims are not borne out by actual events, you move the goalposts to 2017. And now that it's actually 2017, you're ready to slide them further down the field to 2020. That's not rational empiricism. You're " Manipulating Facts to Fit a Theory." You've abandoned the scientific method and regressed to the superstitious voodoo of primitive witch doctors. You probably thought Brexit would fail and Hillary would win. Treasury bonds did not peak in 2015.75. No amount of spin and poutrage will change that simple fact. Treasury bonds did not peak in 2015.75. YOU. WERE. WRONG. |
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the unstoppable Trumpenreich
The one term wonderlust will eat the global collapse Ah ha ha ha hah hah ha ha! You are yet another bitter NeverTrumper. That is too perfect.   I wonder what your excuse will be when he's reelected. The Dark Enlightenment gave us the leader we need, and yet you whine because he's not the leader you want. Why don't you go march in a protest or something? Maybe if you ask nicely your child-like bonobo bride will knit you a p-hat.  |
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[intensified hand-waving and Dervish-whirling]
True or False:
the phase transition will first be in Treasury bonds to peak 2015.75, then we enter the BIG BANG of sovereign debt collapse.
Here, I'll even spoon-feed you in easy to understand graphical format the required empirical data necessary to determine the accuracy of your prediction.  If you can't evaluate the truth or falsity of your claim, you are not an empiricist and thus should not present yourself as one. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, because I called you out as a charlatan, numerologist, and eschatologist ages ago. I learned the New Age Hustle from the very best. Your sperging doesn't amount to a small black hair growing out of a tiny mole on his ass. Try harder and do better. You are boring us. |
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I've never seen this much autism in a one place  That is the best, most concise description of BitcoinTalk I've even read. It's very satisfying to see the children of the Ron Paul rEVOLution have grown up into the unstoppable Trumpenreich, and credit where credit is due to the Dark Enlightenment's work on weaponizing the radical center into the myriad forces of the alt-right. Two years ago, if anyone told me the neo-feudalism/neo-royalism embraced by the #B-A crowd would become all the rage with techbro hipsters and edgelord dwellers, resulting in the defeat of the Hil-Beast, I'd have wanted to believe them but stopped myself from doing so under the rubric of "too good to be true." I'm starting to trust our wonderful Satoshi Timeline's probability amplitude is being protected via retroactive tachyon emissions from Omega Point. In other words, Honey Badger cannot die because he is omnipotent and represents the unalterable path to Singularity. Praise Kek and pass the ammunition! |
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I can't wait to see how you rationalize the failure of the world to comply with Martinfoil and your 'Doomsday 2015.75' prediction. Better start hedging that bet ASAP!
There has not been any such failure. 2015.75 is the start of the BIG BANG. It is when the USA reaches the top of its current up trajectory and starts to head down. It doesn't mean we will all be starving and shivering in the dark in October. It will take some years for the collapse to ensue and amplify in effect. Armstrong has been saying since 2012, when he correctly predicted the capital flows to return to the dollar, that US stock market phase transition could be delayed into the 2015.75 - 2017 timeframe. He had often stated that he would not know the answer until the closing of 2014. Exactly as he predicted, the market gave him this answer with the Treasury bonds elected THREE YEARLY REVERSAL signals. Thus he now knows the phase transition will first be in Treasury bonds to peak 2015.75, then we enter the BIG BANG of sovereign debt collapse. STFU mofo. There you go! I knew you would have some nice hedging ready to deploy as the 15.75 date draws near. Oh, suddenly it's not a deadline but just the 'beginning of the end?' How convenient for you to avoid measurable metrics of the truth/falsity of Martinfoin's magical AI predictions and retreat into the more traditional old 'The End is Nigh' and coming Soon TM eschatology. "Current up trajectory?" "Starts to head down?" Did you miss the beginning of the Great Recession in 2008? "Some years?" LOL, that magical AI program sure is vague when it comes down to actually producing useful information instead of selling newsletters, bilking investors, and defying judges. At least Jim Willie has the guts to keep saying this is the final year of the petrodollar's reserve currency status, even if he's wrong! *Le Two Years Later* So much for Shelby and Martinfoil's "Treasury bonds to peak 2015.75, then we enter the BIG BANG of sovereign debt collapse" predictions. Over a year later, they look like doom-mongering chumps. And I've grown rich thanks to Monero. Too bad all-wise all-knowing Shelby outsmarted himself and didn't get 0.1% of Monero when he had the chance and I strongly recommended he do so. Shelby is always wrong about everything, and that's OK. My problem is him still having the unmitigated gall to consider himself an empiricist with predictive skills superior to my own, despite having embraced so many failed models and eschewing so many successful ones. |
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This one i dedicate to our trolls that have been with us through hardship and prosperity :  ETA : 10 days Massive crash? Just buy PASC DCR and shut up! Fixed it for you, because even DashHoles deserve a chance to be part of a real distributed governance by blockchain experiment, and don't deserve to be ripped of by the 'decentralization theater' and 'Potemkin governance' found here. |
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This one i dedicate to our trolls that have been with us through hardship and prosperity : ETA : 10 days Massive crash? Another announcement of an announcement? Totally legit. No pump here. Definitely not just another opportunity for Evan the Instaminer & Co. to dump onto a new generation of bagholders. |
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It's a thread "in-joke" the origins of which are lost in the mists of time.
Pretty sure it came from Aminorex, which he will likely be able to confirm once we get above XBT 0.018 or USD 25.00 That's it, kill the mystery. It's borrowed from the goldbugs, who like to joke about telling the feds that all their gold was lost in a boating accident, when the gold confiscation happens. They borrowed it from the RKBA/FMCDH 2nd Amendment absolutist crowd, who like to joke about telling the feds that all their guns and ammo were lost in a boating accident, when the gun confiscation happens. The phrase signals that the utterer has exceedingly low time preferences and functions as a polite way of saying "none of your business" as well as a warning to "beware the fury of a patient man." |
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I'm surprised anyone has taken the vote to increase Dash blocksize literally the real motivation was very obvious.
Don't be surprised, trolls know very well that this particular vote was not to be taken literally. They just play their moronic and/or paid game over and over. There are two non-exclusive possibilities here. 1. Dash's so-called "distributed governance" is just a system for conducting unenforceable and therefore meaningless symbolic straw polls (along with unaccountable grants of free money) 2. Evan lacks the technical chops to implement a maximum 2mb block size When Evan put up that proposal, it's ONLY purpose was to show how fast Dash can get consensus.
We won't need extra space for at least another 3 years
Gee, I wonder how silly old SolarMiner got the mistaken impression that the 2mb vote was, you know, more than just a bullshit jacking off exercise in self-congratulation? Can anyone provide evidence from the time of the vote that it was widely understood to be a mere resolution in support of a 2mb vaporware upgrade? Solving the problems inherent to a 2mb max blocksize is much harder than simply voicing some nebulous intention for undertaking such an endeavor. And yet, you consider 2mb 'as good as done' with no substance to back up the symbolism. I know you aren't really knowledgeable about what happens in Bitcoin world, but please be aware that project has run into big problems (IE, a chain fork) due to nodes signaling support for upgrades they weren't actually ready for. As an aside, it's pretty funny even Dash's 2nd most thoroughly brainwashed cult victim (right behind toknormal) doesn't believe Dash will actually be used for "at least another 3 years." In 3 years, the crypto universe will be radically different, and if Dash doesn't start finding uses in the real world very soon it will be an almost forgotten footnote in history. You're not very clear, my dear. My post is very much more clear than the misleading vote for 2mb, which was purported to be an actualizable, shovel-ready short-term goal, but turned out to be nothing but a feel good exercise in putting down and sneering at Dash's betters on the Bitcoin Core team. What is the point of voting in favor of something Duffiled is going to do anyway? That's called a 'rubber stamp' (IE not actual governance). What is the point of voting for something if there's no way to make sure it gets done? That's called 'symbolism over substance.' It's very clear SolarMiner and many others were lied to by Evan and disenfranchised by the fraudulent 2mb vote, which served only to pump the price and enable Evan to dump more of his Instamine on bagholders eager to have 2mb blocks. |
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I'm surprised anyone has taken the vote to increase Dash blocksize literally the real motivation was very obvious.
Don't be surprised, trolls know very well that this particular vote was not to be taken literally. They just play their moronic and/or paid game over and over. There are two non-exclusive possibilities here. 1. Dash's so-called "distributed governance" is just a system for conducting unenforceable and therefore meaningless symbolic straw polls (along with unaccountable grants of free money) 2. Evan lacks the technical chops to implement a maximum 2mb block size When Evan put up that proposal, it's ONLY purpose was to show how fast Dash can get consensus.
We won't need extra space for at least another 3 years
Gee, I wonder how silly old SolarMiner got the mistaken impression that the 2mb vote was, you know, more than just a bullshit jacking off exercise in self-congratulation? Can anyone provide evidence from the time of the vote that it was widely understood to be a mere resolution in support of a 2mb vaporware upgrade? Solving the problems inherent to a 2mb max blocksize is much harder than simply voicing some nebulous intention for undertaking such an endeavor. And yet, you consider 2mb 'as good as done' with no substance to back up the symbolism. I know you aren't really knowledgeable about what happens in Bitcoin world, but please be aware that project has run into big problems (IE, a chain fork) due to nodes signaling support for upgrades they weren't actually ready for. As an aside, it's pretty funny even Dash's 2nd most thoroughly brainwashed cult victim (right behind toknormal) doesn't believe Dash will actually be used for "at least another 3 years." In 3 years, the crypto universe will be radically different, and if Dash doesn't start finding uses in the real world very soon it will be an almost forgotten footnote in history. |
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DASH governance system
Dash's governance is way way way more fair and decentralized than BTC, which is controlled by only a handful of centralized miners in china. Nope. Dash does not have a governance system. Governance implies that you can force a change. The only thing the budget system can do is pay out a project that is submitted. Proof: Budget passed to increase block size to 2MB. Result is still 1MB blocksize. Of course, this proposal is used over an over to say Dash can increase the blocksize in 24 hours....um. right....1 year and still no change. The only ones that can control changes are those with access to github. And even then, the code needs to be created and tested before it can be approved. Charlie was spot on with the "Marketing over Tech". To get you started on that blocksize increase, here is a start. https://github.com/dashpay/dash/blob/master/src/primitives/block.h/** The maximum allowed size for a serialized block, in bytes (network rule) */ static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000; change to static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 2000000; You do realize that Dash currently has 4 times the block capacity of Bitcoin, right? And a fraction of the need! I don't know what happened to you Solar, but if you really can only troll now, it might be healthier for you to turn and walk away completely and dig into another project. I'm sorry to see you go, but seeing you act like this is just sad. So my reply might have seemed harsh, but I am truly disappointed with Dash. The proposal last year was a great idea. Ideas are easy, implementing them takes work. All the Dash marketing about increasing blocksize or made the decision to, is now false advertising. And since I trusted developers to follow through, I have also been part of the problem spread false information. Dash is different than Bitcoin. If blocks do get full, InstantX transactions will start to be unlocked. This is huge problem for such a key feature. And the attitude of no need to worry about it we are fine, is poor. Dash should be moving to variable blocks. Vcash had that figured out last year. Dash looks more and more like they are promising features just to get investors regardless if they will actually finish them. Isn't the elephant in the room Evan's inability to independently emulate the combined efforts of Bitcoin Core? It's easy to press the fork button on Bitcoin (or was it from Litecoin that Xcoin was forked?) but much harder to keep up with the original project feature wise. Evan used Gavinista FUD about RBF/CPFP as an excuse to avoid putting in that great feature, but (hilariously) the popular-on-reddit '2MB RITE MEOW' meme has now put him on the spot. It doesn't help that tante and the other cheerleaders pumped him up to be the next Satoshi, and thus unmanaged expectations have grown completely out of control.  "The “premium” office costs $2,000 per month"^^^That is the epitome of of "Marketing over Tech." |
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How does the DASH governance system compare to other top 10 cryptos out there? ...Erm... What governance systems...   It's more meaningful (apples to apples) to compare DASH with the other coins that feature explicitly blockchainy "governance systems." Decred is superior to Dash in every conceivable way. Peercoin has been around longer and has a better benevolent dictator for life. Synereo if nothing else wasn't unfairly instamined. Monero's governance is working very well, giving us state of the art fungibility with RingCT, a slick GUI, and i2p routing (soon). On the other hand, Dash's governance is causing severe tension in their community. https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/Here's what someone who tried Dash thinks about its overhyped "governance systems." https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/i-sold-all-my-dash-here-is-why-and-my-view-on-the-state-of-dash.11416features of Dash have issues:
1) Governance - This was an important idea and could have been very interesting. However, this governance model is unproven and thus far the results are lacking. It has been little more a grants system. The few large projects done with it have all been failures (PR, website design, ATM integration). More importantly, it does really reflect the community (look at the vote coints in the Shadowcash thread compared to the development direction of Dash).
In reality, it may even be creating negative value for the community. The reason is because it makes people not perform tasks that they would have done for free under different circumstances, but with the governance system they are unwilling to do it unless they are funded and paid. When there is no grants system people volunteer. When there is a grants system no one wants to work unless they are getting a grant. Volunteering while others get paid just feels wrong, psychologically.
As a result of this effect, the malinvestments of existing grants, and the lack of real control of development or direction despite the governance model, I would say thus far the governance system benefits are dubious.
You don't see those kinds of threads in other communities except the ones controlled 100% by individuals (Vcash, ShadowCash, jl777 trash) |
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