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1861  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
Someone just absorbed 500BTC at 440 on Fenix. Definitely expected that to get pulled.
1862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 09:15:16 AM
@TERA and windjc - Still short?

Abit premature on a $9 move.


TERA already said she wasnt really short and was technically probably long.
1863  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
No doubt some news coming in 3.2.1
1864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 09:03:33 AM
Another day, no rise, no action. Stable price.

Isn't that what everyones supposed to want though  Grin

And dont speak so soon the day is young
1865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MRO Monero trading thread and OTC xchg (bid 97.1 ask 155 last 151) on: May 07, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
0.000910 / 549 MRO / 0.5 / dreamspark

0.00100 / 500 MRO / 0.5 / dreamspark
1866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero pool on: May 07, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
Awesome. Thank you, BCN community.

Looking forward to this pool being completed. Will give some people who havent had much luck solo mining a way to get some coins.

However it is important that there are a number of pools soon after as everyone will mine on the pool giving it way more than 50% of the hashing power.
1867  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 08:44:39 AM
i think it would have no volume most of the time

I think it would have no volume all the time.

As said for a start despite what some may think Huobi isnt the whole market.
1868  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp Transaction Fee Fraud - Charging up to 1.16% transaction fee. on: May 07, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
Has anyone had a reply from support or Hazek that has contacted them?
1869  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 08:32:08 AM
What if Huobi now has a system in place that would only let the price fluctuate 50 yuan a day? To protect its traders?

edit:
I know it sounds crazy but we are dealing with an exchange in distress here.

Yeah deffo sounds crazy. Could you imagine everyone would be waiting to sell/buy into the trend as soon as a new day started.
1870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MRO Monero trading thread and OTC xchg (bid 135 ask 155 last 151) on: May 07, 2014, 08:28:22 AM
0.001350 / 370 MRO / 0.5 / dreamspark

0.000910 / 549 MRO / 0.5 / dreamspark
1871  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
As far as i know we had bubbles of comparable magnitude before, with or without China.
The evolution of the BTC price since Oct/2013 can be explained in terms of Chinese events only, and does not seem to react to any events outside China.  Even the Feb/10 drop related to MtGOX was probably due to Mark's claim of a 'bug in the protocol' rather than the dealings of MtGOX itself.  

So it is hard to deny that the rise from ~100$ to ~1000$ and the current ~450$ are entirely due to the Chinese market.  If we consider percentual increase in price, indeed there were comparable bubbles before.  If we consider total demand for BTC, China was about 10x all the previous bubbles combined.

Obviously. Because price and demand driving the price are in a linear relation, huh?
Agreed, that "10x demand" is just a very rough guess, based not only on the price increase but also on the demographics of the market as some articles have described it (not nerds, but mostly amateur speculators with no computer expertise, who used to speculate on other things - a profile that seems to be common in China but not in the US).

What is your guess for the number of coins that Chinese speculators have bought to speculate with -- 2x, or 50x, the Western number?  Wink
1/10th

Jorge has been wooed by Chinas pretty volume numbers and actually thinks they own 90% of the coins.
1872  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 05:59:12 PM

I repeat: every move of the price since Oct/2013 correlates with events in China, starting with the opening of the Mainland Chinese market a couple of months before. The crash of early december, the recovery in late decenber/january, the decline since february - all can be explained with China only, with no obvious sign of influence from Western events.

Understandably, bitcoin enthusiasts and entrepreneurs in the West must hate the idea that bitcoin price is set by Chinese speculators, at the mercy of an extremely "statist" foreign government.  How can you promise profits and security to investors in that context?

Okay well for a start Chinese markets were open as early as 2011 so your mistaken there.

That came only after the Oct/Nov rally.  By early december there were still many who claimed that MtGOX withrawals were mostly working, only a bit slow.

The dollar withdrawal delays explained why MtGOX prices were 10% higher than those in other exchanges, but they cannot possibly explain the 1000% increase.
Right and you don't think an exchanges price rising has an effect of dragging the others up. Yes it was 10% higher a lot of the time but the fact is when there is a decline in price as was seen mid to late last year because you couldn't get fiat out people would catch the falling knife quicker and thus would hold up other exchanges. As you have seen over the last several months arbitrage holds exchanges prices closely together so you don't have to be a brain surgeon to see the effect this has on the overall market.

I cannot follow that reasoning.  The busting of SR made people realize that bitcoin transactions were not invisible to the FBI at all. How could that have helped other uses?

The "cleansing"of bitcoin's image (which did not actually happen, it is still the "coin of crime" for many people)  cannot possibly explain a rise of 1000% in 2 months.  "Other uses" could not and did not expand that fast.  The Chinese market could and did.

By the way, I still don't know what caused the April/2013 jump.  Some said it was videos on YouTube; perhaps.  Could it have been the opening of the illegal drug market by SilkRoad?  Or was it the initial opening of the non-Mainland Chinese market by BTC-China?

Thats because you weren't involved with Bitcoin earlier than last year. The only thing people like you had to say about BTC was its just used for buying drugs theres no other reason for it etc etc. Well look , the price didn't go to $0 as many were trying to say guess what that does? All the detractors who wrote it off as drug money are suddenly very interested, I mean how can something that was only used to buy drugs have value outside of drugs  Shocked

Really with the same old rhetoric ? The dollar and its ponzi scheme is the coin of crime.

Silk Road was open in 2011 so no. Your research is terrible and it makes your points almost laughable. How can I take you views seriously when you can't even find out when Silk Road opened, its even got a Wikipedia page.

No, only that the "positive" things that happened outside China had very small effect, because they were relevant to only a small part of the market.  Why would the Chinese care about things like Overstock or SMBIT?

Besides, the rise from 100$ to 1000$ took less than 2 months.  What earth-shaking bitcoin developments happened in that interval?

Moreover many of those "positive" things were just vaporware or fizzled, and others had a negative impact when they failed.  

The market went from 2 to 30, 15 - 266 in those sorts of time frames as well. Whats your point? It doesn't need earth shattering developments. Just like your seeing now good news came out and developments were happening all the time in the run up to November but the price hardly moves then all of a sudden the price starts rising. All the bears stand around wondering why even though they've just sat around for two months listening to all the developments, no doubt the same will happen this time. You seem to think the market is 100% speculation and needs 'news' to move. The market can move by normal dynamics such as adoption as well you know.

As it currently stands millions of dollars of vc funds and normal investors are building Bitcoin businesses, everyday those services open and gain a wider customer base. In time no doubt the price will rise again to accommodate this and you will be one of those screaming it back down saying how irrational it is. Its very easy to be like you in a bear market I can't wait to see what nonsense you produce in a bull one.
1873  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
As far as i know we had bubbles of comparable magnitude before, with or without China.
The evolution of the BTC price since Oct/2013 can be explained in terms of Chinese events only, and does not seem to react to any events outside China.  Even the Feb/10 drop related to MtGOX was probably due to Mark's claim of a 'bug in the protocol' rather than the dealings of MtGOX itself. 

So it is hard to deny that the rise from ~100$ to ~1000$ and the current ~450$ are entirely due to the Chinese market.  If we consider percentual increase in price, indeed there were comparable bubbles before.  If we consider total demand for BTC, China was about 10x all the previous bubbles combined.

Jorge it is asinine to suggest that any rise in price since OCT was entirely due to the Chinese market I dont see why you make such broad, unsubstantiated and above all unprovable point.

Of course though to someone who now borders on the line of trolling its to be expected. The fact that the biggest exchange in the world stopped fiat withdrawals so the only way out was BTC of course did nothing to the price. Added to that the fact that SR was busted and everyone realized there was more to BTC than just SR that didnt help at all. Every single positive thing that happened between $100 - $1000 was of course down to the Chinese  Roll Eyes
1874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
So no serious answers then?

What is one good reason to have OKCoin on the foundation board if they are about to get shut down... There isn't one. And gox doesnt count, gox was on the board way before most the trouble and was also probably the only exchange to choose from in regards to having one on the board.

Sorry, but where did you read that okcoin is going to shut down? They have problems with banks that's all. As soon as they move to Hong Kong they will solve those problems  Wink They already said they are moving out soon...

EDIT: they got 10mil$ few weeks ago... I doubt they will shut down so easly  Smiley

Maybe I should make it clearer, there are people in this thread who have been telling us that the Chinese exchanges will have no choice but to shut down when they have no banks to work with. They were particularly loud about it this morning with the exchange announcement but have since been abit quieter after the price bounced back. That was a rhetorical question to them more than my assertion.

This is in addition to the quotation I posted earlier from another forum member who was saying that the reason exchanges are having their accounts shut down is because they are not registered and they are using personal bank accounts rather than business ones.

TBH me personally would rather they just shut up and shut up shop or just move abroad. Whether they are getting shut down or not the uncertainty is just suppressing prices.

EDIT: That $10mm was the end of 2013 likely before the PBoC announcement.
1875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:57:40 PM
Yeah, I also overlooked the fact that to be a gold member you just have to pay.

All this is really saying is OKCoin gave us xxxBTC
1876  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:50:45 PM
So no serious answers then?

What is one good reason to have OKCoin on the foundation board if they are about to get shut down... There isn't one. And gox doesnt count, gox was on the board way before most the trouble and was also probably the only exchange to choose from in regards to having one on the board.
1877  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:26:42 PM

Todays news actually, funny that. If all Chinese exchanges are on the brink of closing as many in here believe, why are they being added to the foundation board?
1878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures - CPU only on: May 06, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
is it supposed to be hypen (-) or underscore (_)
start-mining or start_mining
thanks.

Underscore.
1879  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoin rate/price on: May 06, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
Either way, follow the golden rules of bitcoin,

Dont invest more than you can afford to lose.

Dont take advice from peopel on the internet

Dont store your btc somewhere that you dont control the keys.


Can you explain? Why not to take advice from people on the net?

Well for technical support or something yeah fine but for financial advice why would you listen to anyone here. Do you think they have your best interest at heart? Do you think they are talking their book? How do you feel when you put money into something and then you lose it? You will just be another one of the 100's of people moaning about so and so told me to buy this etc.
1880  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 01:51:48 PM


I can see how you think this is a matter of principle, but your solution is raising the minimum trade amount to 5 USD? I can see bot traders complaining about that...

Who matters more to Stamp, some bot traders who should know that they are likely to lose money using bots on Stamp due to this issue (it was also brought up that this is a reason people dont use bots on Stamp) and are also only making trades worth $1 or a customer moving on who reguarly trades amounts in the 20BTC area?

Look, from what I wrote it should be clear I really don't mind if they define some min. order size.

But my point was whether this is "fee fraud". And whether I'd consider Bitstamp fraudulent, and not a place where I'd want to keep my money if they continue as they do now. And the answer to that is: I just don't care that much.

If you want to know what I /really/ consider problematic, take a look at the Bitstamp service thread and the discussion about what they accept (or not) as a response to their KYC questionnaire. Link


Yeah I know, you will see comments from myself about it in the thread.

Thats fine if you dont care that much but the fact is this is happening and the OP is out $83 because of it. The fact that you can do a trade size on the API smaller than on their website is troubling enough.

Whether its fee fraud is questionable but when you click sell you are agreeing to sell x amount for x amounts of $ and with a fee of x. That is what you should be charged.

mmitech I'm glad that your experience with Stamp is grand, the fact that you know the CEO and employees isnt a reason to have confidence in your assertions though. Its not no matter what you do people will call you a scammer fraud etc its when what your doing directly causes people to lose out that they feel like that. Make it so its not the case and no one can say anything.
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