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1121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 04:49:38 PM
I disagree with the poster who suggested it as a good store of value and not as a usable currency. I personally think it is very much the opposite of that and due to the privacy features is a much more desirable currency to use for everyday transactions than any other options.

I do agree it can be useful for transactions, but I think it will shine for use in private transactions primarily.  Why would you not just use bitcoin otherwise?  What percentage of transactions will this be?  I do not know.

Don't get me wrong.  I am very bullish on XMR, and am just thinking out loud. Wink

I personally see Monero (or it's conqueror) as a compliment of bitcoin... each owning a specific utility in the marketplace of payments and wealth storage.

Because Bitcoin is traceable and only quasi anonymous, with mass surveillance a real thing it makes sense if you want to transact privately. Dont forget with good blockchain forensics by just paying for a small thing p2p someone can identify your general wealth etc. Dont get me wrong there are plenty of ways to mitigate the problem but from a general ease of use POV if its anon by default its generally just better.

Thats the great thing, I agree that it will be great for private transactions and in a P2P world without banks a lot of day to day transaction will become private. But it can do both, it can be great as an anon day to day currency lending the general population a modicum of privacy and well suited to the private transactions you speak of.
1122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
But seriously - the dumps and hesitancy to rise despite all the good news. There has got to be a limit to the amount sellers can sell (weak hands, strong hands argument).
So what is going on? Where are all the sellers coming from? Twitchy day-traders or early adopters with big stashes taking advantage of better liquidity?
Anyone have any insights, ideally backed up with some evidence like days destroyed or exchange data?

My thoughts always gravitate to it being mostly to do with people just making a bit of extra money but more importantly more coins.

There are very few investments where you aren't trying to come out with a bigger pile of fiat, in general when you trade a normal stock you tend to buy a position and then sell (or buy if you were short) and leave with the profit.

With Bitcoin however people are trying to make more of the 'stock' than fiat (obviously a generalization but can you draw any parallels?) a lot of people are also all in in terms of how much they are willing to invest, to make more BTC and not more fiat without leverage you have to sell and buy back at a lower price. I seriously think this is one of the reasons people are so willing to sell their BTC for the chance to buy it back lower even though the majority of them would have been better to buy and hold.
1123  Economy / Services / Re: [PrimeDice] [Highest Paid Signature] Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting on: July 04, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
What do you mean with a constructive post? Does the post have to be about Primedice or can it just be any post as long as it isn't LQ?

Anything as long as its not spam, flame, one word posts, just an image etc, basically anything that isnt considered 'padding' a post count.
1124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 12:49:00 PM

I wasnt an early miner but I had good positions on other coins that I got early into and still am trading for profit on other coins that have faster % gains for now.

The coins I get mining are just a bonus. You can daytrade XMR to accumulate, mine coins that might get future value or just straight up invest.

Im 50%+ there so its just a matter of time without investing more from my BTC stash.


Cool cool, I was alluding more to how you expect to buy another 90k XMR at a half decent price if you are 50% of the way to 1%. You are referring to total supply (not available supply) so 1% is 180k XMR.
1125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 12:46:00 PM
I know a few people ranging to get a 1-2% (of total supply) position. Im currently aiming for 1%+ but will be doing it gradually as miners dump.

I mine to support the network , some friends mine to accumulate.

I think this has to do with how much you believe in the technology,devs and ofcourse BTC you can back your investment with.

Every investment is a risk.

1% is a huge portion to get to, particularly if you weren't an early miner. To even consider getting to 1% you must have a huge position already. 1% is 740 ish BTC at these prices. I'd be interested in your strategy for acquiring that many in a timely manner.

you got a zero to much, more like 18-19k xmr, so 74-80 btc.

Still, huge also for my perspective, i hold like 0.25% and i already feel very rich  Grin

Have I?

Total supply is around 18mm so 1% is 180k. I wish I could buy another 1% of total supply for 74-80BTC!

Your thinking of available supply, you can't use that if you want to have a % of total supply unless you are going to keep buying at a rate that sustains that.
1126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 12:03:06 PM
I know a few people ranging to get a 1-2% (of total supply) position. Im currently aiming for 1%+ but will be doing it gradually as miners dump.

I mine to support the network , some friends mine to accumulate.

I think this has to do with how much you believe in the technology,devs and ofcourse BTC you can back your investment with.

Every investment is a risk.

1% is a huge portion to get to, particularly if you weren't an early miner. To even consider getting to 1% you must have a huge position already. 1% is 740 ish BTC at these prices. I'd be interested in your strategy for acquiring that many in a timely manner.
1127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
I understand that  the aim of that regulation does not extend to that.  It only forbids banks (not their customers) from buying, selling, or investing in bitcoins.

Which isn't uncalled for. Banks are backed by the nation states, one way or the other, and they have to have bounds for their risk taking.

Its just common sense isnt it. We've seen that bankers cant be trusted to not take insane risks with others money and the EBA is simply motioning towards making sure that digital currencies aren't one of the insane risks. The market doesn't seem to care that much as we've had the whole China fiasco to realise that its just to stop the banks themselves buying, selling and transacting. They cant stop the customers themselves, the difference is between this and China is its rather better communicated.
1128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 11:46:50 AM


But it is rather easy to know the distribution of them with amazing accuracy, given that the inputs:
- number of owners;
- largest owner's balance;

Are even near correct.


Indeed, but the poster was referring to calculating that you yourself are the top holder. This is impossible (unless you own over 50%).

I am large but not in the TOP-5. Just as my strategy dictates.

Dont worry it wasn't a taunt. I know fore well you will be positioned exactly to a plan Wink



1129  Economy / Services / Re: [PrimeDice] [Highest Paid Signature] Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting on: July 04, 2014, 11:42:11 AM
Is there anyway of checking what the previously submitted post count was?

I used to just check against the previous post on this thread however with the new online system...

Same, I brought up the issue a few pages back now and although its not necessary as you just enter your current post count taking off any un constructive posts its not great for my own record keeping. Once claimed on the 17th we can then keep a track ourselves.

Perhaps using the spreadsheet mentioned a few posts back will help us.
1130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 11:27:07 AM

[...snip...]


hitbtc maybe Im missing it and it is there but can you give me a run down on some of your practices.

Do you require any verification, if so what?

Do you have a cold storage system and/or a user side balance checker to prove solvency?

What country is your bank and your business located in?

Apologies if its all on the site, perhaps these are some good prompts for a short FAQ?

Could you also explain the rationale on a $9 deposit charge Huh

Thanks
1131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 11:12:36 AM

Tell me the total number of XMR owners and the percentage of the largest owner, I can derive the distribution of everyone in between with amazing accuracy  Grin

I guess you already have done your calculations. You are the #1 wallet right ?

1) You cant do the calculations, there is no way to know others wallet balances

2) I very much doubt it Wink
1132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 11:10:49 AM
link for Top 100 Richest Addresses ?

No such thing as far as I know, hence why you cant search for addresses on the block explorer. Its not even possible due to a  separate public key is generated for each input, privacy and all that Wink

Tell me the total number of XMR owners and the percentage of the largest owner, I can derive the distribution of everyone in between with amazing accuracy  Grin

 Grin

Would love to see someone come up with a way to estimate number of owners, thinking back to when there were only a few people interested in the coin to now puts a big smile on my face.

Harking back a bit to your post a couple of days ago in the altcoin observer I would also be very interested in the sorts of investors we have on board as well as the number of alts they have previously invested in and currently hold. I personally have never seen an alt with so many notable investors and big BTC holders investing in their first alt. Or at least their first since LTC.

Good times ahead...
1133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [CryptoNote] A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency on: July 04, 2014, 11:00:06 AM
Well, competitiveness is always good especially for coins. Let's see what will be later. Good luck, guys!

To a degree yes but as explained above in the alt world its not always the case.

Competitiveness between different algo's, features and distribution methods is good and that is what you get between completely different alts. However competitiveness in the form of a load of clones with basically the same algo, features and distribution methods is NOT a good thing. As explained the strength of a coin is on its network and all a load of greedy shitclones do is dilute the hashing power making every network less secure. All that for no reason other than greed and feeling you missed the boat.

I still can't make my mind up on the motivation of the cryptonote team who seem to me to have been divided. They profess to want to move the technology forward but I cannot see how providing basically a fill in the variables reference implementation that allows people who didnt have the skills before to create their own CN to do so. This is one of the reasons there are so many shitcoins based on common coins with shit devs who have never coded in their life and cannot do any real development. IMO the cryptonote team should be doing all it can to focus on the privacy technology and releasing that as and when, what way they choose to do that would be up to them but I believe the way this has come about makes me question the true motives.
1134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 10:46:54 AM
link for Top 100 Richest Addresses ?

No such thing as far as I know, hence why you cant search for addresses on the block explorer. Its not even possible due to a  separate public key is generated for each input, privacy and all that Wink
1135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 04, 2014, 10:42:50 AM

so, how easy will merchant adoption be for cryptonote vs bitcoin?

The main issue I see right now is getting people to think about it as something different to Bitcoin, the payment ID thing is a minor usability issue that can be overcome, in terms of integrated payment points that should be no harder than exchanges systems for trading XMR.

The advantages of using XMR for payments far outweighs the negatives of being slightly harder to use. I disagree with the poster who suggested it as a good store of value and not as a usable currency. I personally think it is very much the opposite of that and due to the privacy features is a much more desirable currency to use for everyday transactions than any other options.



1136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: July 02, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
gpu mining destroyed the coin value
everyday its lower and lower

Just look at the net hash and difficulty, both are still climbing, this is like the coiled spring you see after any crypto has a big run up. Wont take much for the price to rocket and sellers at this price to be caught with their pants down.

Not really.  

(a)  If you believe the IRC chatter, the botnets are catching on.

(b)  The cryptonotes in general, and XMR/BBR in particular, have been unreasonably profitable to mine, and this can't last.

"Unreasonably" meaning that they've been more than a factor of two or three more profitable than other coins, while having a smaller marketshare than other GPU-based coins.  This means it's simply a matter of time before more miners re-point their rigs to XMR/BBR, and the diff will go up.  What's been preventing them has been the technical difficulties of running CryptoNote for people used to bitcoin-clones, and the "first mover" advantage of people hopping on to these coins at the beginning.

The price is not a function of the diff.  The diff is a function of the price.

Point b simply isn't true refer to the production cost discussed earlier in this or Ristos thread, in fact you were involved with the conversation at the time. For the vast majority of the last say two months XMR has been -ev to mine regarding production costs. I also explained how I know the majority of the network and its not botnets...

Furthermore if more people start pointing their GPU's (again GPU's are v close to cost of running CPU's) at XMR then that again negates the botnet aspect you speak of.


"The price is not a function of the diff.  The diff is a function of the price."

That depends really. If a coin has a higher diff you get less per $ when mining thus you have to get more $ per coin to cover your costs.

1137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 02:52:10 PM
Seems Mike Hearn and his Lighthouse project have scooped the main chunk of anarchystars $100k bounty.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29n8o0/100000_bounty_winner_announcement/


I think this is fantastic and a much better alternative to setting up a separate foundation to do essentially what the Bitcoin Foundation does now. This will wrestle the main power that the Bitcoin Foundation has (being the one who pays the devs) from them and hopefully make them more and more obsolete as time goes on.

A great example of how apolitical Bitcoin is.
1138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 02, 2014, 02:28:35 PM

Thing is with xcp is they are just arbitrary tokens and completely unnecessary, correct me if Im wrong but I seem to remember when researching when counterparty was first announced that the XCP tokens were a) not needed and b) essentially worthless.
 

they can be taken in escrow by the counterparty protocol (currently impossible with btc afaik) - so they have a purpose, but until know they are almost unused due to the mantra of the core developers that everything which can be done on the counterparty protocol with bitcoin, will be done with bitcoin.

Thanks for jogging my memory I knew there was a reason the currency itself was essentially worthless and unused at this point in time.
1139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 02, 2014, 02:09:44 PM
What the heck is MSC and XCP?

Mastercoin and Counterparty, both run on Bitcoin network as their transport blockchain.
Out of those two XCP is a better choice, but neither of the two can compare to NXT.
Bitcoin network is just slow to trade on.

Thing is with xcp is they are just arbitrary tokens and completely unnecessary, correct me if Im wrong but I seem to remember when researching when counterparty was first announced that the XCP tokens were a) not needed and b) essentially worthless.
1140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
Yes but over a long time period - not the next month and through the usual cause of business and probably through funding businesses that expand the bitcoin ecosystem. So there is absolutely no chance of 30,000 coins hitting  exchanges in one go, so the market no longer needs to fear the quick sale and profit turn. To me this is about as bullish an outcome as we could have hoped for.

Agree 100%. Just pointing that sooner or later 30000 BTCs that were outside the market for a year are now back. They can all be kept unused or unchanged but they are back.

And going to places where before there was little to no demand Wink

Also, most importantly let us not forget that ~3000BTC are being mined daily as it is. 30k is 9 days supply roughly. See how silly this suddenly there is 30k more BTC argument is?
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