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1881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 04:29:55 AM
So this took about two hours: https://steemit.com/music/@generalizethis/analysis-of-change-in-the-house-of-flies-by-the-deftones

Pretty good if you don't account for I had the materials at hand (pics, analysis, music links) now I did find some additional material while working and I had to move stuff from word press to a file to create the imgur images (mouthful, I know), but I'd estimate that without the analysis (need that before the start) that it would take a day or two to create this from scratch--there's endless looking for the right picture, downloading and uploading it, and general nuisance stuff. The biggest leap I could get in time would be a better organized database (why do I get cat memes when I search fine/modern art? Folk would be funny, but far less ironic and far more time wasted)--another way I could gain some time is by having imgur's and soundcloud's and youtube's content at one shop.

I'd gladly pay for this saved time.
1882  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I got $390 on steemit, how long till withdraw? on: July 22, 2016, 01:45:24 AM

sheesh...if true I call 'scam' as well or pyramid scheme is more apt...(new money drives price up because old money used and/or can't get spent)


Why would it be a scam just because of that?

As an investor, I like that feature. It creates more long term stakeholders. The more people that are vested in the success of the coin the better, and as you said... there is less downward pressure on the market which means it takes less new money to drive the price up. To me those are good things not bad things, but I do understand some people may not like being locked in for a year or more. That is how I invest in cryptocurrencies anyways... long term investments, so it doesn't bother me I guess.


Just saying this is how a pryamid scheme works. Once Money is in you can play with 1/2 say. But rest is locked in to be used to inflate and promote new money to come in. It all works quite well like cloud mining UNTIL new money is to little to pump this flywheel. Then both new and old money lose when all withdraw at one time when they realize this. It is classic if not a pump and dump a pump and crash.


This looks awful close to that

Could be, but it depends on if the business model works or not. If it works, everybody gets paid and it looks brilliant; but if it fails, every critic gets to say I told you so and a bunch of people feel duped. I'm playing with house money, so I'm not upset if it fails. Though it would be nice to see one crypto project break into the world of big business.

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting a "transaction broadcast error" every time I try to convert steem dollars to steem? It happens on the exchange and the convert box. Tried multiple times on different days with the same result--might try a different machine, but typing that mammoth password seems a chore ATM.
1883  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 22, 2016, 01:10:53 AM
Geez fellas, xcoin/darkcoin/dash almost 9 bucks?
This must suck, for you.  Cry

/troll
(Your welcome)

What was the top price paid for beanie babies back in the day?

"These things will be heirlooms, collectables for years to come, yadda, yadda, yadda...."

"But dude, they don't DO anything."

"The craze is only growing, this one here is in high demand and may be worth a house one day --"

"But they don't do anything."

"And this is one of my favorites, everyone adors this one, some day it may be worth 10X--"

"But it doesn't do anything....."
1884  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I got $390 on steemit, how long till withdraw? on: July 21, 2016, 07:44:47 AM

sheesh...if true I call 'scam' as well or pyramid scheme is more apt...(new money drives price up because old money used and/or can't get spent)


Why would it be a scam just because of that?

As an investor, I like that feature. It creates more long term stakeholders. The more people that are vested in the success of the coin the better, and as you said... there is less downward pressure on the market which means it takes less new money to drive the price up. To me those are good things not bad things, but I do understand some people may not like being locked in for a year or more. That is how I invest in cryptocurrencies anyways... long term investments, so it doesn't bother me I guess.

Does this apply only to steem earned on the site or to funds moved in from exchange sites also? I'm haven't really delved in the currency mechanisms--my earlier statement of convoluted applies still (should have a smoother solution).
1885  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I got $390 on steemit, how long till withdraw? on: July 21, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
I posted a few hours ago and got $390, how long until I can withdraw?

Cheers.

If less than 100 SP total, then I don't think you can ever withdraw the other 50%.

Can anyone correct me? At what level of total STEEM balance can power down start?

The token system is a little convoluted.

I get leveraging your coins for a bigger future payout by powering them up.

I get cashing them out.

I don't get why I'm exchanging them for other steem brand coins to do these things? Seems there should be a more elegant way to do the same thing without burdening the user with excessive "what should I do? What is this? How do I do that?"

They can't allow you to power down with your free signup 10 STEEM POWER tokens, else you could go buy Facebook accounts for $1 and make ~$39 profit. This is also why you can't be allowed to send SP tokens to another user, because then the attacker could combine free signup balances to meet the minimum threshold to start powering down.

Got it--probably should repackage it so it's more noob friendly
1886  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 06:37:30 AM
BUY SYNERO We're making social media great again by plagiarizing republican trump speak.

At least have the decency to make a sockpuppet account.
1887  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
I'm not really talking about tipping per-se--I'm more talking about paying for content.

I already rebutted you (did you not read?):

Edit: but even that is irrelevant because bloggers won't force their customers to tip or pay only in STEEM...

You might be able to argue that they will allow users to buy things from bloggers, but users will prefer to use credit card and maybe BTC which they already have. They see no need to convert to STEEM first. Programmers will provide what the users demand. Bloggers don't want to burden their paying users with converting to STEEM first. Golden rule is never make it difficult for people to pay you. Always provide multiple payment options. Bloggers can accept STEEM from those who already have it (i.e. those bloggers who earned STEEM from blogging), but from users who have credit card but no CC or BTC but no STEEM, the blogger would prefer to make it easy for the user to pay otherwise user may not pay. We humans hate hassle points.

Of course you refuted my argument (you left out control features--that's innovation, the new way).

I don't understand what you mean "control features"?


It was mentioned above, but let's delve into a use case for advertisers.

So we assume the artist is established.

We assume that advertisers have trouble getting the attention of public.

Control features built into the steemit platform (who gets access, how much access, time of access, ect) allow the artist to offer materials for sale (membership, bounty, bid) and the advertiser can quickly get ad to public, and likely use the artist's userbase, to target population segment. Control features. This can be developed much deeper and further, but that's your expertise--I'm good at general strategy (know thyself).

You have not described any way to escape from that fact that sellers never want to force buyers to use a token they don't already have.

This is a golden rule of commerce.

Good point, let me think about it.

(why not girls? https://chaturbate.com/female-cams/) Sooooo NSFW

One of the thoughts everyone will have is we can just make the entire site like a game, and so you buy game tokens to spend on the various features of the site. The argument for it would be that the participants want to go along with this exclusivity of token because of the economy-of-scale it has (so many features customized for it, large market of customers and sellers).

The problem with that argument is that sellers cash out to fiat. So there is a net negative flow out, because of the power law distribution of wealth (the wealthy concentrate the wealth and they need to cash out of that narrow ecosystem to invest in the wider fiat ecosystem).

Bitcoin has that problem too (e.g. Bitpay), except Bitcoin has some utility for investors that causes them to hold it (e.g. permissionless transfers across borders without bank paperwork, etc).

My argument is people will follow the content providers--if you offer them superior resources (security, content production, billing services {bid, buy, rent, ect} and do this at a cheaper rate than anyone else can offer, then you get stickiness for the content provider and that's all that matters--look at chatterbate and girls getting paid with amazon gifting (people will jump through whatever hoop to get the content they want--barring something outrageous of course.
1888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So where's the ethereum exodus? on: July 21, 2016, 04:45:35 AM
All the people, "time to sell your GPU's, the HF is a gameover man! Game over!"

So what happened guize?

Bro, it just happened man.  Give it time.  Eth is being held up by big pockets taking huge hits in the profit by keeping the market up like a crutch.  Only a matter of time.....
But if someone wanted to exit they'd have done that before the HF. Otherwise why risk the HF!?!?

They don't want to exit.  People have been exiting, and deep pocketed insiders are eating at their profit buying up coins to project the market is stable, and if they didn't it would plummet and it would be the end.  They want some hope to continue to exist.  It's the old crutch technique. 

To anyone that missed it this guy just gave you the answer. /thread

But genius?Huh?
1889  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 04:33:59 AM
https://steemit.com/writing/@generalizethis/book-of-wires-chapbook-section-1

Notes: The dictionary is surprisingly sophisticated and the drop from wordpad to steemit kept the spacing, which is important if you are posting a large work, it would be good to have everything typed and ready to go--there's a definite lag with editing. It's a definite upgrade from wordpress (forced blogging) and most poetry forums (technically challenged).

*Where did the poetry/poem category go? I don't know how porny steemit will get, but playboy was smart to hire literary editors to handle award winning authors and fresh talent--something to avoid the porn moniker and class the joint up. A wine section wouldn't hurt either as I'm sure Fluffy would enjoy both.
1890  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 03:15:24 AM
I'm not really talking about tipping per-se--I'm more talking about paying for content.

I already rebutted you (did you not read?):

Edit: but even that is irrelevant because bloggers won't force their customers to tip or pay only in STEEM...

You might be able to argue that they will allow users to buy things from bloggers, but users will prefer to use credit card and maybe BTC which they already have. They see no need to convert to STEEM first. Programmers will provide what the users demand. Bloggers don't want to burden their paying users with converting to STEEM first. Golden rule is never make it difficult for people to pay you. Always provide multiple payment options. Bloggers can accept STEEM from those who already have it (i.e. those bloggers who earned STEEM from blogging), but from users who have credit card but no CC or BTC but no STEEM, the blogger would prefer to make it easy for the user to pay otherwise user may not pay. We humans hate hassle points.

Of course you refuted my argument (you left out control features--that's innovation, the new way).

I don't understand what you mean "control features"?


It was mentioned above, but let's delve into a use case for advertisers.

So we assume the artist is established.

We assume that advertisers have trouble getting the attention of public.

Control features built into the steemit platform (who gets access, how much access, time of access, ect) allow the artist to offer materials for sale (membership, bounty, bid) and the advertiser can quickly get ad to public, and likely use the artist's userbase, to target population segment. Control features. This can be developed much deeper and further, but that's your expertise--I'm good at general strategy (know thyself).

You have not described any way to escape from that fact that sellers never want to force buyers to use a token they don't already have.

This is a golden rule of commerce.

Good point, let me think about it.

(why not girls? https://chaturbate.com/female-cams/) Sooooo NSFW
1891  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 03:12:24 AM
I'm not really talking about tipping per-se--I'm more talking about paying for content.

I already rebutted you (did you not read?):

Edit: but even that is irrelevant because bloggers won't force their customers to tip or pay only in STEEM...

You might be able to argue that they will allow users to buy things from bloggers, but users will prefer to use credit card and maybe BTC which they already have. They see no need to convert to STEEM first. Programmers will provide what the users demand. Bloggers don't want to burden their paying users with converting to STEEM first. Golden rule is never make it difficult for people to pay you. Always provide multiple payment options. Bloggers can accept STEEM from those who already have it (i.e. those bloggers who earned STEEM from blogging), but from users who have credit card but no CC or BTC but no STEEM, the blogger would prefer to make it easy for the user to pay otherwise user may not pay. We humans hate hassle points.

Of course you refuted my argument (you left out control features--that's innovation, the new way).

I don't understand what you mean "control features"?


It was mentioned above, but let's delve into a use case for advertisers.

So we assume the artist is established.

We assume that advertisers have trouble getting the attention of public.

Control features built into the steemit platform (who gets access, how much access, time of access, ect) allow the artist to offer materials for sale (membership, bounty, bid) and the advertiser can quickly get ad to public, and likely use the artist's userbase, to target population segment. Control features. This can be developed much deeper and further, but that's your expertise--I'm good at general strategy (know thyself).
1892  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 03:04:32 AM
I'm not really talking about tipping per-se--I'm more talking about paying for content.

I already rebutted you (did you not read?):

Edit: but even that is irrelevant because bloggers won't force their customers to tip or pay only in STEEM...

You might be able to argue that they will allow users to buy things from bloggers, but users will prefer to use credit card and maybe BTC which they already have. They see no need to convert to STEEM first. Programmers will provide what the users demand. Bloggers don't want to burden their paying users with converting to STEEM first. Golden rule is never make it difficult for people to pay you. Always provide multiple payment options. Bloggers can accept STEEM from those who already have it (i.e. those bloggers who earned STEEM from blogging), but from users who have credit card but no CC or BTC but no STEEM, the blogger would prefer to make it easy for the user to pay otherwise user may not pay. We humans hate hassle points.

Of course you refuted my argument (you left out control features--that's innovation, the new way).
1893  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 02:58:00 AM
I edited my post. Please re-read.

I would counter that content providers create demand. If I'm a musician, why would I stay on soundcloud and force my followers to listen to endless stop smoking adds if there was a place I could get a reward for my content and the adds are (here's a major question brewing)?

How does that create demand for people to buy STEEM? They will join for free and earn rewards for blogging. No need to buy any STEEM.

How will advertising be handled? A fee based on the option of choosing advertising (or not) would be an interesting proposition--though I'm just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind.

So you are saying the advertisers will pay the blogging rewards. But I already told you many, many times that the revenue from ads is only about $20 per user per year. Not worth user's effort (unless you only pay some users and not others). Why do I need to keep repeating this?

I'm not saying that advertisers will pay for the entire reward. I'm saying that is part of the solution, but the major part will be followers rewarding a successful brand--whether that brand is a musician, a camgirl, or anonymint--content providers spend years building an audience and that audience will pay to reward them for the effort. It's followers who will buy steem, the same way they buy songs on amazon or tokens on chatterbate or gold on reddit (which is the dumbest thing ever since it doesn't go to the one who made the comment).

So you are saying that Steem will migrate away from paying rewards to offering user tipping  Huh

http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/

As long as the user can choose the amount to upvote, then they will be able to tip at their discretion. I'm assuming it will move to a more user defined experience (as it should). My guess is the current method is to distribute the rewards in a controlled manner--think slow burn for orbit.

Tipping does not work. Please go read why. They won't change to tipping because they already stated in the white paper that they know it doesn't work. Read the link I provided above and the cited references.

I'm not really talking about tipping per-se--I'm more talking about paying for content. Let's say I'm a musician who provides original content, this muscian's content is so original (and popular) that there's a whole cottage industry of musicians who edit my materials into their own work (ala Miss K8) or who remake the work into a different genre (think the endless remakes of "Jeff Buckley's" Hallelujah), now if you can provide me with the means to keep content away from those who don't credit the original, then I will use that method to give exclusive access to that material, so that those who I deem worthy (or have paid the piper--this includes advertisers) have first dibs to the work and also are guaranteed to have first access to the marketplace. That's a little more sophisticated than what changetip was doing. The key here is adaptability, they have a platform that change course fairly quickly and have the leadership to steer a good course--so this might not be where it ends up, but I'm contending that this a piece of that puzzle.
1894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 02:40:50 AM
I edited my post. Please re-read.

I would counter that content providers create demand. If I'm a musician, why would I stay on soundcloud and force my followers to listen to endless stop smoking adds if there was a place I could get a reward for my content and the adds are (here's a major question brewing)?

How does that create demand for people to buy STEEM? They will join for free and earn rewards for blogging. No need to buy any STEEM.

How will advertising be handled? A fee based on the option of choosing advertising (or not) would be an interesting proposition--though I'm just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind.

So you are saying the advertisers will pay the blogging rewards. But I already told you many, many times that the revenue from ads is only about $20 per user per year. Not worth user's effort (unless you only pay some users and not others). Why do I need to keep repeating this?

I'm not saying that advertisers will pay for the entire reward. I'm saying that is part of the solution, but the major part will be followers rewarding a successful brand--whether that brand is a musician, a camgirl, or anonymint--content providers spend years building an audience and that audience will pay to reward them for the effort. It's followers who will buy steem, the same way they buy songs on amazon or tokens on chatterbate or gold on reddit (which is the dumbest thing ever since it doesn't go to the one who made the comment).

So you are saying that Steem will migrate away from paying rewards to offering user tipping  Huh

http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/

As long as the user can choose the amount to upvote, then they will be able to tip at their discretion. I'm assuming it will move to a more user defined experience (as it should). My guess is the current method is to distribute the rewards in a controlled manner--think slow burn for orbit.
1895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 02:36:28 AM
I edited my post. Please re-read.

I would counter that content providers create demand. If I'm a musician, why would I stay on soundcloud and force my followers to listen to endless stop smoking adds if there was a place I could get a reward for my content and the adds are (here's a major question brewing)?

How does that create demand for people to buy STEEM? They will join for free and earn rewards for blogging. No need to buy any STEEM.

How will advertising be handled? A fee based on the option of choosing advertising (or not) would be an interesting proposition--though I'm just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind.

So you are saying the advertisers will pay the blogging rewards. But I already told you many, many times that the revenue from ads is only about $20 per user per year. Not worth user's effort (unless you only pay some users and not others). Why do I need to keep repeating this?

I'm not saying that advertisers will pay for the entire reward. I'm saying that is part of the solution, but the major part will be followers rewarding a successful brand--whether that brand is a musician, a camgirl, or anonymint--content providers spend years building an audience and that audience will pay to reward them for the effort. It's followers who will buy steem, the same way they buy songs on amazon or tokens on chatterbate or gold on reddit (which is the dumbest thing ever since it doesn't go to the one who made the content).
1896  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 02:25:44 AM
There is no funding model in Steemit that can work. Dan can build all the market places he want, but no one will buy STEEM to go use his market places, because those same merchants (or similar products) will also sell for fiat and BTC else where. Steemians will power down STEEM POWER to STEEM and use his market places sometimes, but the other times they will cash out. There won't be a net incoming demand for STEEM other than from speculators. But speculators don't keep coming in forever. The price can't go to infinity. Thus the cost of funding the bloggers will come from those who trade more often, or everyone powers up so it is paid by all investors. So why invest if there is no great transactional utility for the STEEM token and the cost of paying bloggers comes out of the investors pocket?

It is very difficult to create exclusive demand for a CC token. Bitcoin locked up large wire transfers and avoiding the banks' paperwork requirements. No one will have a reason to go buy STEEM to go make a transaction. No one has an incentive to buy STEEM to gain more voting power, because the whales drive the voting and you'd be crazy to invest $millions and lock it up for 2 years.

Rebuttal please?

I can't see any way that STEEM can ever sustain. I see a way to (possibly) do it, but it requires that no tokens are given away for free on signup. And I am not going to reveal my suggestion because Steem can't implement it because they already premined 57 million tokens to give away for free. And because if I do decide to create a better fork of streemit, I don't want to give my ideas away to other development groups who also contemplating doing so.

I would counter that content providers create demand. If I'm a musician, why would I stay on soundcloud and force my followers to listen to endless stop smoking adds if there was a place I could get a reward for my content and the ads are user specified? Nil? Content provider specified? Personally, I'd want to have more control.

How will advertising be handled? A fee based on the option of choosing advertising (or not) would be an interesting proposition--though I'm just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind.
1897  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 01:53:57 AM
Looks like a new search function got added (might have missed earlier, not sure) and a follow button--now I can follow Shelby, smooth and few others without running all over the site.

Has anyone thought about the implications for monetizing constructive criticism yet?

The search function and follow/mute button have always been there, but they don't work yet.

A lot of people have been requesting them for a while now Anonymint- not just you.

Date tonight... adios

So I'll throw the question out and maybe someone can answer after date night, "When will follow/mute be implemented, and will it link content "liked" by the person/business/charity that I'm following?"

1898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I got $390 on steemit, how long till withdraw? on: July 21, 2016, 01:43:03 AM
I posted a few hours ago and got $390, how long until I can withdraw?

Cheers.

If less than 100 SP total, then I don't think you can ever withdraw the other 50%.

Can anyone correct me? At what level of total STEEM balance can power down start?

The token system is a little convoluted.

I get leveraging your coins for a bigger future payout by powering them up.

I get cashing them out.

I don't get why I'm exchanging them for other steem brand coins to do these things? Seems there should be a more elegant way to do the same thing without burdening the user with excessive "what should I do? What is this? How do I do that?"
1899  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 01:35:31 AM
Looks like a new search function got added (might have missed earlier, not sure) and a follow button--now I can follow Shelby, smooth and few others without running all over the site.

They are reading my criticisms like a hawk then. See my upthread post about lack of a Follow button.

I saw it, was thinking, "Damn, they're fast!"

They might be trying to say, "you have no fucking chance if you try to compete and fork".

Subtle.

Personally, I think a fork would be a bad idea, unless it's motivated by user requests. My scenario would be cam girls being blocked from the site, along with a few others considered morally dubious, so a fork would be a natural progression based on a natural need that serves both party's agenda.

*not casting cam girls as morally dubious--a girl has to eat.
1900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 01:27:15 AM
Looks like a new search function got added (might have missed earlier, not sure) and a follow button--now I can follow Shelby, smooth and few others without running all over the site.

They are reading my criticisms like a hawk then. See my upthread post about lack of a Follow button.

I saw it, was thinking, "Damn, they're fast!"

Mute button will be useful for trolls and such.
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