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400 gold coins and a house were given to lotraffle as prizes by TOWN. RWC will also be giving some shares and weapons.
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@generalizethis, I edited your comments about kicking rpietilla out of the game and seizing his assets into the OP. Now my question to you is whether those assets are going to be used to compensate the players who were scammed?
Yes, if risto does not pay his debt and reclaim his account, his assets will be used to repay the debt he created, and this is a huge IF, if the game is successful enough to do so. And just to be clear, I am using some seized assets (his M, land, and deposhares will remain untouched as per game rules) to create bounties and fund other projects to help ck become a successful gaming platform. Also, I did not follow this thread, but will do so as to answer any questions that may arise about the game sans risto. Any idea how much his majesty owes the townspeople?? Like most things in risto's life, that is hard to formulate due to the convoluted and ambiguous nature of how he went about it. For example he has claimed that over a half million was recently paid back to one of the players--problem is that there is no way to verify what the arrangement was with that player as it wasn't done publicly--I had thought the player/company was run by him, so was surprised that it even appeared as part of the debt. I assume the 3mil he claims to have on Polo would be enough, but there again, he is claiming that Polo is forcing him to jump through regulatory hoops, so he can't get the money. There is a google sheet somewhere with the withdrawal and interest debt, but this doesn't have all of the euro debt and is heavily weighted by the absurd interest he accrued while this was all happening--I believe the interest scheme was one of the driving factors in getting every last dollar he could from the players. |
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@generalizethis, I edited your comments about kicking rpietilla out of the game and seizing his assets into the OP. Now my question to you is whether those assets are going to be used to compensate the players who were scammed?
Yes, if risto does not pay his debt and reclaim his account, his assets will be used to repay the debt he created, and this is a huge IF, if the game is successful enough to do so. And just to be clear, I am using some seized assets (his M, land, and deposhares will remain untouched as per game rules) to create bounties and fund other projects to help ck become a successful gaming platform. Also, I did not follow this thread, but will do so as to answer any questions that may arise about the game sans risto. |
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We would like to have 4 players to start, additional players will be charged 100mil entrance fee. Fees will be added to bag of M.
Game Board:
10x10 grid with one portal and 1 bag of M.
I'm in! That's two, tombot and kidjim--we have two more free spots open. |
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20,000 CKG Bounty
--20,000 CKG to create and manage a CKG asset and get that asset listed on a reputable exchange.
^This is a bounty, not an argument. Anyone is free to create their own bounties, rather than argue the formation of mine. I created this bounty as I want my assets, like ckg, to have an optional security measure of being burnt to a wallet--though I also think that CKG will make a good exchange asset. |
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You're free to hit up Loaf to create an M exchange asset as that's been his dream for some time, BUT be prepared for a big dose of "I told you so" if that plan ever comes to fruition.
And no, no where in the rules does it say that the M money supply is fixed. Risto's doubling events are active proof of this fact.
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BUT you wouldn't see the money supply get jacked up or down based on exchange demand.
Money supply is fixed, and unless risto does another revaluation it would presumably stay that way. What you're alluding to is possible liquidity implications if players moved 'money' around in large volumes at the same time which changed the relative proportions of the components of the FIXED money supply. I actually see that as a good thing, it's more realistic, and it adds opportunities for better risk:reward game play. I don't want my game money volatile, the same way I don't want my cash or debit card going wonky (have you ever been paid a wage in crypto--it sucks having to wait for the market to rebound so you can pay rent)--nations crumble with this economic model--so better to have volatility in assets than in the money supply. There's a reason no one would base an economy on Microsoft shares. And if risto came back, after paying his debts (of course), yes, he would likely start playing with the money supply and ruining the exchange asset the same way he did last time one was created based on the ck asset. You're free to disagree, but I have heard these arguments before and created the bounty based on what I believe is best for the game. Namely, a way to protect gold from an army just ripping it out of your hands like I just did to risto. |
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Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
Also, CKG would have entry/exit point as gold would be burned/created as it exited/entered the game. BUT you wouldn't see the money supply get jacked up or down based on exchange demand.
But feel free to create your own bounty, based on your own opinions of what's best.
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20,000 CKG Bounty
--20,000 CKG to create and manage a CKG asset and get that asset listed on a reputable exchange.
Why not use 'M' instead of CKG, that way all problems with deposit shares and depositories would be done away with, players deposit/withdrawal through the reputable exchange. Because: "Golden Rule" You are more than welcome to make a bounty for M as a exchange asset--though I have a few arguments as to why that is a bad idea. Namely when there is a huge run to the exchange and prices spiral downward due to deflation. All the sudden the house you spent 10mil on is worth 100,000. The reverse could also happen as fast, because you are increasing the volatility by adding money supply changes into the game mechanics. |
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20,000 CKG Bounty
--20,000 CKG to create and manage a CKG asset and get that asset listed on a reputable exchange.
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May be interested in this. I am assuming any death is only in this game? We don't die in Ultima or anything?
What happens in the grid, stays in the grid  |
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From what date afterwards will be deposits refunded if the game will stop?
I deposited 100xmr during this crash.
If you deposited xmr and traded that m3 for m and spent that m on cannons and such, then you have cannons and such. Deposhares are the only thing in the game that is convertible to a cryptocurrency and your buddy risto wrecked b1 and e1, so whatever m3 you have or buy is what you can withdraw--that depo afaik is run by saddam. |
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 We would like to have 4 players to start, additional players will be charged 100mil entrance fee. Fees will be added to bag of M. Game Board:10x10 grid with one portal and 1 bag of M. Players Effects:--1 pistol, pouch with powder and shot Rules:--all players must complete their action in a 24hr period or "a no action taken" will result --game is over once a player has gone through portal with bag of M --first move when players meet is determined by !d roll --board expands 1 x 1 with each additional player --bag of M must be carried with two hands --portal moves when someone goes through it --shot has coin-flip chance of hit --one hit, one kill Commands:--in non-encounter turns, commands are: "GO" [N,S,E or W] or "PASS" --players have 3 commands when they meet another player(s) 1. "RUN" [direction N, S, W, E] 2. "FIRE" [at player x] 3. "TALK" [to player x] This game is sponsored by MGC through a grant from OldDuchy's Badlands initiative |
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Oddly, the title is misleading as it lumps risto's debt in with the game--a game risto has been kicked out of for scamming people. The game is also at fault, for failing to control its own books and accounts, and also failing to do anything to make players whole once the founder and largest stakeholder of the game manipulated the integrity of the game and ripped people off. The best thing for anyone who hasn't already been ripped off to do is stay away until people are made whole and the structural problems are resolved (for example by putting the assets on a blockchain where they can't be arbitrarily manipulated). If MtGox reopened tomorrow with Kerpelles 'kicked out' but the whole rest of the crew still there, would you deposit money? I know I would not. And no, I have no interest in buying in on the cheap (I wouldn't have to buy 'back' in either, as I already have a huge collection of in-game assets). Fix this problem for real, and maybe the game has a chance. Otherwise, its all one dirty and dangerous pile of shit and people should not deposit money. The game is at fault for Risto's actions? I'm not assigning fault, I'm saying it is an unsound system which enabled this scam and has done nothing to resolve the fact that people deposited into the game and were not able to withdraw from it (the proximate cause for that being rpietilla's manipulation of the game records, but the underlying cause being poor controls) other than "SFYL, game goes on!" I'd add to that another separate incident where the database was lost, due to developer error, there were no usable recent backups, and people faced potential large trading losses from a rollback until one of the players thankfully volunteered to help the developer do what he wasn't able to do himself (recover it). If you are inviting people to put money into that, then yes you are complicit in scamming. Play all you like, but don't invite people to deposit money into such a system before you get your house in order. I never heard you once complain about CK's design Excuse me? I have been saying for years that at least the monetary assets (whether houses and such should be on a blockchain is a different question) should be on a blockchain (and also repeatedly stated that the blockchain version of the token should not be disadvantaged relative to the in-game token, for example by not receiving dividends, so that people are not discouraged from more-safely holding the blockchain version). I was the one who originally did the research into the capabilities and suitability of various asset platforms and suggested counterparty last year when luigi created the original token. How would you fix it? You want to pay Risto's bill? Aside from structural reforms, you could start by seizing and selling all of his in-game assets with the proceeds used to (likely partially) repay the players who were ripped off when it turned into a fractional reserve scam. Has that yet been done? Assets were seized yesterday, accounts were locked weeks ago, and yes, PJ is a hack DEV--but risto paid him upfront and he's all we have atm until we can get a blockchain asset and fund it ourselves. So unless you have a way to expedite these matters, like creating a blockchain asset with your skillset, you are just repeating what we already know. Though if you are suggesting tying the game's currency to a blockchain asset, you would be damning the game--we were lucky that saddam was never hacked when M was pegged to XMR--risto's actions actually highlight this risk, rather than point to it as a solution. [Note: I am distinguishing between asset and currency] Also, no one is asking anyone to deposit anything into the game atm--but meanwhile, risto is creating another game--so feel free to protect those people. |
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Oddly, the title is misleading as it lumps risto's debt in with the game--a game risto has been kicked out of for scamming people. The game is also at fault, for failing to control its own books and accounts, and also failing to do anything to make players whole once the founder and largest stakeholder of the game manipulated the integrity of the game and ripped people off. The best thing for anyone who hasn't already been ripped off to do is stay away until people are made whole and the structural problems are resolved (for example by putting the assets on a blockchain where they can't be arbitrarily manipulated). If MtGox reopened tomorrow with Kerpelles 'kicked out' but the whole rest of the crew still there, would you deposit money? I know I would not. And no, I have no interest in buying in on the cheap (I wouldn't have to buy 'back' in either, as I already have a huge collection of in-game assets). Fix this problem for real, and maybe the game has a chance. Otherwise, its all one dirty and dangerous pile of shit and people should not deposit money. The game is at fault for Risto's actions? So Alphabay would be at fault for every dealer who sells counterfeit pills? Sputz feel free to lump Monero and Risto together using smooth's logic. [Also, who is the "Game?" By your own admission, you own a large chunk of the game, so are you going to pay me the $200,000 eu that risto owes me, or do I pay back the how-ever-much BTC risto owes you? It be like a decentralized exchange paying victims of a scammer with money from the victims of a scammer] Mt Gox was an exchange, not a video game with deposhares controlled by third party wallets. And Risto is alone in his actions. I never heard you once complain about CK's design (or trade the items that in your own infallible wisdom, you should have seen as risky) until Risto fucked it up for everyone. How would you fix it? You want to pay Risto's bill? I'm looking into putting items on the blockchain, but all that work has to come from volunteers paid with in-game currency (work I never see you volunteering to help with--despite your concern). |
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Royal Weapons Corporation
1 Billion M Bounty
Expedition to explore the Aland Islands is granted 1 Billion to be paid to the Explorer, Earl Tombot.
Expedition to explore the areas of Lemon Island is granted 1 Billion to be paid to the Explorer, Mulu.Congratulations, and may the Sea be kind and your travels prosperous for you and your crew, HMC_, CEO RWC |
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Oddly, the title is misleading as it lumps risto's debt in with the game--a game risto has been kicked out of for scamming people. Though I think this is smooth's attempt at deflating the game's value, so he can buy back-in on the cheap. So until smooth changes the title, I think he deserves the irony of sputnik lumping risto's scam in with monero--and having to defend against the obvious fallacy. Funny how things go.
BTW: neither CK or Monero are scams, but they can be used by scammers in the same way BTC or AlphaBay can be used by scammers. These are tools, not omnipotent-organizations. I just wish smooth would fix his logic in the same way he expects sputz to fix his.
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NPC Army and Horse Promotions Complete
New Horses have been distributed to S-H1 holders. TOWN has new PTEs for sale.
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NPC Workforce SPOIL/CREATE
10% of the current NPC Production force was spoiled. TOWN will be offering new NPC in a few hours.
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Production NPC and Shares Paid
dividend fisherman sal 48
dividend merchant ic 48
dividend scientist sci 48
dividend woodcutter wood 48
dividend miner ore 48
dividend s-ve1 veg
dividend s-ve2 veg
dividend s-can can
dividend s-can2 can
dividend s-foi foie
dividend dis mead
NOTE:Going forward SAL, VEG, FOIE and MEAD will SPOIL 100% prior to new production. December is when this happens--though this may change if anyone takes over TOWN duties.
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