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2061  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: May 15, 2017, 10:08:05 PM
Hello All,

What you think is the best investment to gain steady income in btc without actively doing anything?
So no trading/gambling/loaning etc.

Steady income more likely to be 'small & secure' than 'big & risky'.

Thanks,
BR Oinas

i can suggest signature campaign. why? because even though your rank is not that high you can earn money. its small at first but when you get promoted it will grow. and in signature canpaign its not that risky like investing and trading money or bitcoin.
but i do not consider that signature campaign is steady income because there many signature campaign run their campaign just 1 week or 3 week finish everything and we know that signature campaign earning is very much lower so i suggest you try on trading then i hope you will get a good income.

If you only focus all of your time and energy to signature campaign, then it is really not the only good source of steady income - heck, we can only spend like at most 1 hour per day to finish the daily post for your signature campaign. With that said, we can have ample time to the other stuff that will add to our stream of income.
2062  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Rich from Gambling? on: May 15, 2017, 10:06:06 PM
Hilarious topic 😀..
I never saw a person who got rich through gambling but I have seen a lot of people who have lost their everything through gambling.
I think gambling would not be a platform to become rich. 

Yes indeed this topic is rather funny. Being rich from gambling is a matter of impossible. Maybe someone can get rich from gambling, but the chances are too small. But to be miserable from gambling is a very easy thing. Throwing everything away from gambling is the easiest thing to do lol.
I have saw some people who are rich from gambling but as you said they are only a few people the ratio is too small related to others who do not earn much. But still there is a way to become rich with gambling and that is to start your own casino. Yes if you will have your own casino and you will work hard for it and will advertise it then you will get a good traffic and will earn a good income.

Having your own casino requires a big capital. If you don't have that big capital and marketing plan, better just invest first on reputable casino that accept investors.
2063  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: May 11, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
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yes gambling is also banned in my country. but still we manage to play gambling using different methods. i usually play gambling on sports specially on cricket, where i do not need to visit a casino but i can do contact with bookie and  can play using mobile phone while setting in my house.

Gambling is wrong if you use money that isn't yours in hope making a profit. I think if gambling is just an fun, as long as it doesn't interfere with life or environment. It doesn't seem to matter in my opinion.
Right. Gambling shouldn't have to involve other people relying on whether someone makes enough money in order to pay another person what he owes because that would lead to stress and stress influences bad decisions. A professional gambler could maintain his bet picking with stress, I am not so sure that the average gambler would have the right amount of patience as the pros.
I would recommend playing with the money that is available instead of having to borrow any of it.
That would give double stress because you have that fear that you might not be able to play your debt, when gambling your mind should be relax in order to make a good selection and to be able to control your emotion. It is just not advisable to borrow money, it will cause more problem if the outcome is unfavorable to you.

We should at all times, gamble the money that we can afford to lose. In this case that there is debt involve, it is a clear manifestation that the gambler is gambing above his means of earning and that is bad.
2064  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction. on: May 11, 2017, 01:43:17 PM
Nobody gets addicted to gambling on their own consent, it is greed which makes them do it regularly.
Whether it is a win or a loss, both are different situation and will influence the person in different ways.
When someone wins, they think that they might try their hands on it due to having luck, but who knows next, still they gamble.
When they lose, they would definitely give it a try to recover back their past loss on their next winning, the same applies to the rest.

That's right, but I think there's one simple thing that makes gamblers become addicted, that is too much / too often to gamble. When we gamble too much, it will become a habit. After becoming a habit, we will be hard to quit the habit. That is the thing that often causes people to become addicted, addicted in any case, including gambling.
When you do play gambling in severe times and making it as a habit then chances of getting addicted is really high and yes its the main reason why most gamblers do fall on this state on where they cant able to avoid or control their selves on playing gambling.It would really be hard to overcome it once it already in yourself.It does need some rehabilation if theres one.

You are right mate. But as long as there is still tomorrow, there is really hope. Hence, the person addicted to gambling still have a chance to change so long if he or she wants to. Even if it is very hard, as long as he/she wants to break free of the chain of gambling addition, other specialists can help.
2065  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What Happen If Gambling was not introduced? on: May 11, 2017, 01:40:27 PM
gambling was a pretty devastating discovery of human race. we can say its a perfect strategic game where a person starts a casino with a huge investment and under that casino other users risk their money so basically a casino owner has not to worry about losing everything because a casino is build in such a way that nobody can beat the house roll only if someone comes with extreme high wealth

Casinos can definitely lose
Their wins don't state as much on house edge as much as they do on a bigger bank
Even if the stakes were 60% on your side, no matter how much you win, you'd keep playing more&more until eventually you lose everything
So, casinos can definitely lose if someone with a bigger bank comes to bet
But by setting a maximum bet, they shouldn't

Well, by the laws of the free market
Let them build and let them play Smiley

Could not agree more with you. Casino has their level of safety - setting up the maximum bet. Therefore, if you gamble and do some martingale and other technique, at the end of the day even if you can still afford to bet after a long losing streak, you are limited due casino's maximum bet rule.
2066  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What did you do in the past 24 hours in Poloniex? on: May 11, 2017, 01:30:31 PM
at the moment i beleive their problems are solved, but i don't get why everyone is insisting on continuing to use poloniex!
why don't you choose another exchange, like bittrex for example to trade altcoins. they are practically the same and are even older. i am not advertising anything here just say bittrex because i use it myself and have been much happier compared to using polo.

I have not used bittrex but does it have the same amount of volume compared to poloniex? I am really after the volume because that way, there is some kind of volatility that we can play around and earn somehow.
2067  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Trading vs Gambling on: May 11, 2017, 01:27:43 PM
I think both can be profitable but the trade will be more profitable than gambling. Gambling is mostly dependent on your luck and not on the skills you have. You are lucky you will win, and if you are unlucky you will lose everything. For trade to be different, profitability will depend on your own decision, not expecting luck, you will need a bit of skill, knowledge to make a profit. I am also involved in trading and have made a profit. Joining a trade is only difficult initially to learn the skill, but once you know how, you can earn a lot.

When it comes to profit, I will always prefer that trading is more profitable. And in gambling, we know that there is no stable and decent profit to it. In trading, you also need to have some luck too but in gambling most of the time you need it for games that are luck-based because knowledge and analysis based games aren't that too many.

That is so true, you will only profit big in gambling if you are lucky enough however, you are not most of the time. With trading, your earnings be slow but if you master it, it will grow before you know it.
2068  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: May 11, 2017, 01:25:57 PM
For me, Its better to invest money in stocks and have trade but first you need to study its facts and its limitations. Getting to this business is not joke it needs serious studied so that you will not lost your money instead you can make your money grow!

investing to an altcoin is somewhat like investing to stock market, the only difference is that there will be no quarterly dividend unless the coin has dividend promise just like Taas. this is however online companies, nothing yet can be listed on nasdaq but maybe someday we'll see it.

That is true. But unlike in stock market, altcoins tend to have more profit or percentage earning against the stock market and it is very liquid and convenient of use especially if you transact it online through games and other services that accept bitcoins or other altcoins as a mode of payment.
2069  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: May 11, 2017, 01:23:49 PM
I will give you a ''smart'' way and a fast way to gamble. Bet everything on 5% and if you win stop and never gamble again in your life, you are probably going to lose but if you win there you go, you can stop gambling now. The other only real possibility is to gamble with money given by the casino or promotions, same ''strategy'' bet everything on 5% or lower or higher, doesn't really matter and if you win, stop and never gamble with that money again.

Not a good idea, because I'm sure if lost they will never stop. But will keep trying because it has an addiction.
All the strategies are the same. A good strategy is to play on the kind of game that you think it's easy to get an advantage compared to other types of games.
Like me who can get more profit in sports betting, than poker, dice, or another casino.

Agree. Sportsbetting, especially if you know the games, the teams, and the lineup of players well, then you have more chances of winning than lossing. Just make sure that you keep an eye on the odd of each team.
2070  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: May 11, 2017, 01:18:09 PM
Yes my friend also said like you, he said if gold is an old investment. It is true, in the modern era, bitcoin is a new and best investment. For long-term or short-term bitcoin investments it is an ideal choice because of the fluctuating bitcoin prices and rising prices will be able to make a profit. But there are still many people asking whether bitcoin is worth investing for more than 5 years because it is so volatile that fear of sudden prices could fall, but I believe bitcoin will continue to grow and fluctuations tend to rise. This is proven when the price drops not long the price recovers and rises again

I'm not sure if Bitcoin is the best investment out there presently

Especially for long term investments since these investments don't need the exponential growth which is not based on real progress or adoption but purely on relentless hype and runaway speculation. Such growth is likely to turn into explosive collapse one day, which renders the whole idea of long term investments futile and fruitless. On the flip side, though, I agree in general that for short term speculations (let's call a spade a spade here), Bitcoin is one of the top-notch ("state of the art", as it were) tools freely available to everyone with a fiver in his pocket

Maybe not the best investment but THE best investment!
well gold has a physical form and doesn't rely on electronic and digital aspect so it would be safe to say that gold is a bit safer than btc in case anything happens. but at the moment, bitcoin is proving to be a well worth it investment in itself with a price that niw exceeds gold. take away all the liabilities of relying on modern technology and btc would beat gold but that's unlikely to happen

The best thing to do then if you are torn between gold and bitcoin is to might as well invest to both. You dont necessary invest in stocks and buy gold, you can just simply buy gold jewelry items that are being auctioned.
2071  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: May 11, 2017, 01:16:13 PM
It's not an easy task man.
At first you have to find out why you are interested to leave gambling for good.?.
Then you should make a plan to control over yourself and maintain this plan in a strong way.
Well the best thing is find some another game that you will ve addicted like now i'm addicted playing Mobile Legends then am satisfied that u forgot now playing gambling so its good for me that i have now bew game that i can play and now i doesn't seems in my mind thingking gambling.

In short it is like in the analogy of a glass full of water, in order for a new water to enter, you need to empty the glass. That is why if you want to get rid of your gambling addiction, you need to shift your attention or find a way that will get you stay away from gambling and do other things that will make you more productive.
2072  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does experience matter in gambling? on: May 11, 2017, 01:13:40 PM
Yeah. Experience matters.
Though it's totally dependent on luck, but in some cases you need to judge by your experience. Every step of your life, experience plays a vital role to lead you.
Besides experience you also need to know how to control everything. Most important thing is that control over yourself.

Experienced without learning and applying those learning, is really nothing. Unless you are experienced and at the same time wise that you will no longer do the mistakes you have made before and just rinse and repeat the ones that make you profitable.
2073  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: May 11, 2017, 01:11:37 PM
i think gambling is not profitable for long term because lose of your money is the main part of any gambling and i think anyone can not get a big profit from gambling so gambling can not be profitable.

Gambling is profitable for the lucky, chosen ones. There are rich people who got money only out of gambling.. they only needed the luck that we've got in everything else. Maybe we will be able to conduct a business that will work even better than gambling.

no matter in long term or short term as long as that person is lucky guy then when he playing gambling, that person is always get win. and this is the important thing when we want to make gambling as profitable for the long term.
yes that is right to say that luck is one of the most important factor of our life. if a person is lucky then you do not need for any experience or skill you can every make good profit without have these things in hands.

In real life, the more we create and find opportunities, the more we get lucky. However in gambling, it is not always the case. You just need to be lucky and that is it. But if you are really want to win big and do it in a calculated manner, be a professional gambler - it is hard though!
2074  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction. on: May 11, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
I know that gambling addiction (or any type of addiction, maybe not the most hardcore physical ones) can be cured when you will have something more serious to occupy your mind.
My friend used to be a hardcore gambler to the point he fell into huge debt, all caused by his gambling. But when he met the right kind of girl he stopped.
He found a proper job, worked hard 2 shifts job to pay off all his debts and they are getting married this summer.

I can relate to this very much! But I was not addicted into gambling but alcohol addiction. For 2 years, after graduating college, I became addicted to alcohol to the point that every single night, I will drink with friends and fraternal brothers. I was broke but I can manage to drink every single night, I don't know how I did that (actually my rich fraternal brothers are the one who pay for the beers most of the time!) I even thought that it was normal and everybody is drinking alcohol for that matter. I was really messed up until I met my wife - my life turns 360 degrees and now I have a good income and I can even buy her a car anytime if she wants to Smiley
2075  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What did you do in the past 24 hours in Poloniex? on: May 11, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
I mean, in the past 24 hours, I was trying to deposit and buy altcoins because they are so tempting due to them being very cheap. However, I am afraid to deposit because it might not get through.

Question: Have you able to manage to buy and sell in polo in the past 24 hours? or have you sold your altcoins, hold? What exactly your actions during the past 24 hours?

I'm wondering?  Undecided
At the present time now, I am not using Poloniex right now, though i'm a poloniex traders before but I'd rather choose to transfer to other exchange site platform, and for what I heard now to poloniex their clients/traders are now complaining about their services and I don't know exactly what and why? Undecided

I see.. To be honest, I also did not able to deposit coins and start trading and even take advantage of the cheap coins out there because I encountered lot of lags in the site and I am afraid that my deposit will not get through. But I friend were able to manage to buy deposit, trade, and withdraw yesterday. It just that I am freeze and don't know what to do. I know there are traders out there that earned a lot with what happened in polo.

i will still use polo but I will give it a week to stabilize before I start trading again there..
2076  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you manage ur emotions? on: May 10, 2017, 08:50:38 AM
Panic selling is probably the worst thing a trader could ever do with BTC. That happens because people invest and buy more then what they can afford to lose because If they didn't buy more , they simply wouldn't care , have patience and wait whatever time It takes until It raises again.
People who bought more then what they can afford to lose are always in panic and the least drop in the price could make them panic sell and that could result into losses , however If they waited , It could've go up again.

Definitely true. It happens to me. before, I set a strategy of entry and exit but due to emotions, I exited very early and got losses. This was exactly the time where I was buying altcoins with big amount of bitcoins. However, when I bought 150,000 doge at 39 satoshi per dogecoin and just forget it there in months, I never felt nerve-wracking impulse of selling it. Thanks for that cool emotion, I able to sell it at 60 satoshi per doge Smiley
2077  Economy / Trading Discussion / What did you do in the past 24 hours in Poloniex? on: May 10, 2017, 01:44:32 AM
I mean, in the past 24 hours, I was trying to deposit and buy altcoins because they are so tempting due to them being very cheap. However, I am afraid to deposit because it might not get through.

Question: Have you able to manage to buy and sell in polo in the past 24 hours? or have you sold your altcoins, hold? What exactly your actions during the past 24 hours?

I'm wondering?  Undecided
2078  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: May 10, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Quitting is hard to do since we became used on doing it, we were exposed a lot on it that our system might find it hard to escaped too especially when we really felt joy or we got thrilled on something were doing. We can only quit once we accept the fact that it’s no longer worth it and we need to grow professionally without gambling.

I agree with you mate. However for me, I believe it is not necessary that we quite 100% from gambling. We can play from time to time just for entertainment and with discipline. After all, gambling is just entertainment and should not be treated as a source of income unless you want to be a professional gambler.
2079  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: May 10, 2017, 01:31:16 AM
as i am a newbie.. i know nothing about trading... what should i do to start trading and multiply my btc.. guys please help me
If you want to learn trading, you need to google on your own to know everything. However, if you need some tips you can discussed it here in the forum and read some news stuffs for better analysis and prediction.
Thats right there are many ways on how to learn about trading just google it. when i was starting on how to trade i also use small capital because im afraid to lose my money due to my lack of knowledge but luckily i earned even small amount then i read some tips on how to do right.

to me i think from google you can only learn about trading, but the most important thing is experience and if you do not have experience in trading then you cannot become a good and successful trader, and experience can only  get through spending time. so you need to spend some time in trading by investing a small amount of bitcoin that you can afford to lose and only then you can get experience.

Could agree more with that. In trading, just like in real life, you will not live the life according to theory only. You need to apply what you have learned and learn from your experiences that most of it you can't learn from theory alone.
2080  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: May 10, 2017, 01:29:11 AM
It is understandable why gold is compared to Bitcoin and do it mainly because there is a limited gold reserve on the planet as well as a certain amount of Bitcoin. Of course Bitcoin Gold is a good investment, only in the case of Bitcoin it is a long-term investment unlike gold that can generate revenue all the time. But I would choose gold because of the fact that with him you feel more confident.
With gold you will feel more confident but you will not be able to earn faster money if you will choose gold instead of bitcoin or if you will choose gold for half of your money and bitcoin for half of other then you will even at that time lose the profit from that half as the price of gold do not increase that much faster like bitcoin.

Good point about the feeling of security when it comes to holding gold because as we all know it, gold is proven and tested as a good investment. Unlike bitcoins where it is like a one day millionaire and easy go lucky investment because you can't really predict where it goes and if it goes up, it goes fast. I mean, the profit is really very high with bitcoins and at the same time you feel the internal concern that it might crash at anytime.
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