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2181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
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You eat too much western propaganda. I suggest reading

http://www.spectrezine.org/global/chomsky.html


Of course, I forgot that you are the owner of the truth and the knower of all objective information - for example Chomsky speaking about communism. You have to be kidding.

Anyway, please, give your version, how many people died under Stalin's regime (please include Holomordor, dying of hunger is a violent death IMO)? How many people died as a result of the invasion of France, Poland and the USSR by Nazi Germany? Hint: You will have to make some assumptions, none of that data is really uncontested.

Feel free to compare these, in reasonable terms with US wars or even US induced wars.

Bottom line, authoritarian regimes are much more prone to enter into wars. Most people by default do not want war, if given a voice, they would tend to request peaceful solutions. Tyrants need wars, countries ruled with strong military influence tend to like large armies and these tend to like waging war.

The sharply increased amount of whataboutism in this thread indicates yet another Russian failure. I feel "phase 3 of the special operation" is coming soon.

Putin's psychos are shelling and bombing all over the southern front, some salient attacks in the East near Izum achieved a few miles of advance. Missiles launches from Luhansk as usual.

Another "electrical failure" occurred in Kurst (yes, that is Russian territory) and a drone was downed as well inside Russian territory. Air defence in Belgorod (Russia) was activated during the night (sleep tight, you are safe in Putin's Russia....) and a further "casual fire" in Belgorod (Russia).

People demonstrated in favour of Putin in Kherson... but they were carrying Ukrainian flags. Strange uh? A false flag attack in "Transnistria" points to Putin Chief Psycho thinking of opening a front from Moldavia.

The forecast for the next week: More "testing" of defences by Putin's Chief Psycho - which in itself means that their intelligence is weak at best - some of the salient attacks in Izum and the east front will achieve some advance, but my take is that once the go too far from their bases, get into unfavourable terrain or if dare to stretch their supply lines they will be fodder for Javelins and Razorblades. As of now, it does not seem that Ukraine is making any effort to recover territory, but that may happen during future weeks if they start getting the promised western siege artillery.

Overall, I do not see any game changer in the next week. The Ukrainian army is remarkably good at doing a lot with their limited resources and the military and civil aid will be reaching the from along the next month, so they could potentially find the cracks as they found them in the battle of Kyiv.









2182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 12:15:27 PM
On the Ukrainian topic, I partially agree. Would be an Ukraine under Putin's control be stable: most likely yes. Would that be a country that could develop, advance and have a choice about their destiny? Not a chance.

Again, if you take a short term and practical approach, Ukraine joining the EU and looking west makes no sense. If you look into the future and want a higher degree of freedom, social progress and development, it does.
Ukraine behaves like an inadequate drug addict with a knife in his hand and borderline personality disorder in his head...

More like a lady that has been threatened by her abusive drunken ex-husband and has taken the knife to avoid being raped.
2183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 10:04:23 AM
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Australian PM warns Chinese that new base would be 'red line' for Australia and the US...Western countries are scrambling over a security pact reached between China and Solomon Islands
https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-pm-says-new-chinese-base-would-be-red-line-for-australia-us

Think we're hitting the peak of the irony here. So how many here are going to start yelling about Solomon Islands' right to join whatever pact they want? Or Chinese cookies are different than Nuland's cookies? Surely China can find a lot more countries around the globe where it can offer some irresistibly profitable trading terms in exchange for some military cooperation. That's the problem with precedents, once you set them then you reap what you sow.

The justification for US screwing Cuba was that Cuba's proximity to US was an existential threat, that got us through cold war. Why, why did they have to challenge that and rock the boat now?

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As far as Cuba, Castro's regime is not a representation of the people of Cuba, thus does not represent the will of the people living there. I will get flames for this, but that government, IMHO, while de-facto is the Cuban government, cannot be assumed to speak of behalf of the Cuban people and any agreement entered by it is not legit.

Chinese cookies are China's Communist Party's cookies, clearly a regime that cannot in anyway be assumed to represent the majority of the Chinese, even less now that Xi has decided to perpetuate himself in power. Again, I will get flames for this, but their government lacks legitimacy to act on behalf of their people.

If the majority of people of the S.I. and majority of people in China wish to have an agreement and are informed of the consequences (economic, political,...) then they should. There are some doubts about the level of representativeness of the current Prime Minister, who is accused of being in China's pocket.

Now, back to Putin's Russia, currently at war with Ukraine.

Ahh right, the "will of the people", totally objective position for international relations, who wouldn't buy up such logic. Now who do you think should decide which governments "speak on behalf of its people" enough to allow them to join pacts? Care to share your list? Did Bush represent the majority of Americans, majority supported, had an agreement and were informed of the consequences (economic, political,...) of getting into Afghanistan? So were Trump's and now Biden's actions?

I mean if we're going to make up justifications why some countries are not allowed to do things that others can, after the fact, why not just say that counties that are in a pact that begins with NA* or in alliance with such pact, can just do whatever they want, wile everyone else gets sanctioned?

S.I. GDP is just $1.71 billion if China double/triple/10x... countries GDP overnight do you not think that majority wouldn't be dancing on the streets welcoming it's military in their houses?? Such idiotic diplomacy is what got us to this place. Now China is just going to buy up "majority" in every poor country that it wishes. If this is the best argument for foreign policy they can come up with, then it's a total diplomatic failure. No one with IQ higher than a rock will accept such mental gymnastics.

RE GDP, you are right to assume that people would be very happy about a better lifestyle - that is, if that money really ever reaches the average Joe. However, you should as well tell them that they are becoming a military target, should a war ever occur and they will be from then on depending on keeping in the good side of the CCP and thus loose their independence and, to a great degree, their freedom. You, see ... there are no free lunches, particularly, there are no free "swallow nests" when dealing with the CCP (and I am the one being classed as Naïve... oh my).#

By the way, if you have an army of, let's say 1000 soldiers and you have a base in your territory of, let's say 5000 Chinese soldiers, backed up by a massively superior force ... who's country is it?

See, you can argue about how representative democracies are, however, you cannot argue how representative is the system in Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Iran... because there is no argument.

Your position is that "since representative governments are not perfect then everything is equally bad". Cuba and US have the same level of legitimacy for you. Also, you take the practical approach to world diplomacy, but an ethical approach to judging representation in democracies.

We do not agree, that's all. Certainly, I am not trying to make anything up, I am simply expressing my view. I do not need to "list" ... you need free press, respect for the law and the individual rights and a representative system to elect a government plus independent judiciary... the more the better),

Also, I am not trying to convince you of anything either, nor do I need to justify anyone else's doing and I am certainly not going to try to justify any of the Bushes - Junior is certainly psychopath IMHO.

I think that my way of seeing things is what corresponds to a civilized position in the XXI century. Tzars, despots, kings, feudal lords... that is medieval and humanity should strive to get rid of those systems and those who support and promote them.

I am not a fan of the US nor I defend their way of electing representatives, the massive private donations, the gerrymandering and many other of the idiosyncrasies of the voting system. I could say the same for France, UK (extreme gerrymandering), Spain (you vote for a list, not a person) and even Switzerland which tends to delegate too much into referendums, even for decisions that are too complex, ... you can name any representative system and it has its faults.


Wait, are you being sarcastic here? Talking about no free lunches, after Ukraine accepted Nuland's cookies?  Roll Eyes Or do you believe full scope of consequences, how it will be crossing Russia's red line and Ukraine becoming a military target, resulting in loss of life that we're seeing now, was fully disclosed to Ukrainian people as condition of accepting those cookies??

BTW if you're any country in central or south Americas with opposing views from US...who's country are you? Or better yet, how long will you have before you're sanctioned?

My position is that all big boys get their own sandboxes (spheres of influences). After loosing the cold war, Russia's sand box was eroded down to bare bones of Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan (all Russian speaking countries). And more or less everyone was fine with/accepted it. USA/Europe were growing, Russia was more liberal and positioning itself towards Europe. Now what genius decided to ruin that stability by taking Ukraine out of Russia's sandbox with cookies, is beyond me. And after that claiming the following:

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One of the most senior US officials in the Pacific has refused to rule out military action against Solomon Islands if it were to allow China to establish a military base there, saying that the security deal between the countries presented “potential regional security implications” for the US and other allies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands

So Russia in 2014 when it was in shambles and was not a threat to anyone, shouldn't consider loosing a Russian speaking country ally, through which majority of its gas is exported to EU, as having "potential regional security implications". But somehow Solomons Islands have regional security implications for Australia which is 1.000miles away and US which is 10.000miles away? No one can be expected to swallow such BS, and that's how wars start.

Now what I hope is that US haven't gone full retarded, in fact clandestinely filling up the Ukraine with weapons and bringing their army from 0 to 101% in 8yrs [although by leveraging NAZIs] points to US fully expected Russian retaliation. Now this will either bare fruits and will bring a fall of Putin, or will be a total diplomatic fuck up, EU would be freezing and unable to compete on global markets (due to higher costs of raw resources), while Russia is pushed into China's hands and now with set precedent China uses same playbook to buy loyalty of poor countries situated closely to its adversaries. Great high risk low reward move...

I might be taking a practical approach, but your approach that any hypocrisy and blatant double standards could be justified by claiming that it represents the "will of people" just doesn't hold water. If anything it makes pushing back on China impossible when US does exactly the same thing.

Was a fan of Switzerland, bottom line their referendums and neutrality worked out great for them (isolation by alps helped out too). But by bending over on bank reporting to US, and now joining EU sanctions, the saying "neutral as Switzerland" doesn't make much sense anymore. In fact i have no idea what they have left going for them, that Nazi gold they're holding must be running out soon, and not sure how much millennials care about great watches. But in any case, as far as all regimes having issues, sure can't argue there, but then should we start with biggest offenders, those who start the most wars, who objectively caused the most loss of life, who's weapons kill the most people bar none?

There are consequences for setting precedence and breaking international norms. Claiming unique rights because you represents the "will of the people" just makes you a clown in international relations

You consider that all governments are equally legit, so North Korea and Denmark are at the same level to you. I disagree - legitimacy comes from the will of people, period. Anything else is slavery and serfdom.

Ukraine, as far as I know, is not accepting NATO bases nor troops in its territory as of now, although the people could decide so if properly informed of the consequences. They certainly know now the consequences of not being protected. I never said that this lunch is free either, but stands a better chance of increasing living standards while keeping a reasonably representative government.

As said, if the people of the SI, properly informed of the consequences, decide to enter an (extremely asymmetric) treaty with the CCP, they are free to do so. The key is being properly informed and properly represented when making the decision. This is not entering and agreement with China, it is entering an agreement with a ruling elite that has China under their thumb.

On the Ukrainian topic, I partially agree. Would be an Ukraine under Putin's control be stable: most likely yes. Would that be a country that could develop, advance and have a choice about their destiny? Not a chance.

Again, if you take a short term and practical approach, Ukraine joining the EU and looking west makes no sense. If you look into the future and want a higher degree of freedom, social progress and development, it does.

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But in any case, as far as all regimes having issues, sure can't argue there, but then should we start with biggest offenders, those who start the most wars, who objectively caused the most loss of life, who's weapons kill the most people bar none?

Oh, sorry, I did not answer this. The regimes that have caused the most violent (no-defensive or otherwise reasonably justified) deaths are Communism under Stalin, Japan imperialism under the military junta, Nazi Germany and, to the scale of it's time, the Roman Empire. I you want to count the number of wars, the Roman Empire probably.

However the answer you are looking for, as profiting from war in the last few decades, US & Russia. Both are major weapons dealers.
2184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 09:34:08 AM

Cuba, Grenada, Serbia, ...


I don't see Cuba conquered
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I do not see Cuba supported.

Supported in what, invasion of USA?

No, supported in the sense of having something to eat.
2185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 09:22:16 AM

Cuba, Grenada, Serbia, ...


I don't see Cuba conquered
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I do not see Cuba supported.

The rest are excuses.
2186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 27, 2022, 08:37:48 AM
And I'm not sure why you're saying about too small forces, when there was close ti 200k troops near to Ukrainian border.

200,000 soldiers is dramatically small to start an operation; according to NATO intelligence estimates, the minimum number required to control only the eastern part of Ukraine is 400,000 soldiers. Russia began the operation with half the resources in terms of manpower, dispersed in addition to the East, also in the North and South. I think that's why NATO considered Putin's statements a bluff, NATO intelligence had accurate data, but made incorrect conclusions from them.

200k of obviously unprepared and un-informed soldiers is enough to control a country that surrenders. But not enough to take it over if there is determined resistance. That is the key mistake that has costed thousands of Putin's soldier's lives.

Now the Chief Psycho has decided to regroup, add some Tactical Cannon Fodder Battalions and try to achieve some limited gains in favourable terrain, near the bases in Russia and in a limited hostile territory. This guys knows the limits of Putin's Army and would rather try a modest "success" than a "glorious defeat". I reckon this guy is more cunning than the previous ones.

What is the caveat of this strategy? Dvornikov the Butcher, Chief Psycho, is, as many generals, fighting the last war. Time has always been on his side in Georgia and Syria - he had a influx of troops that could rotate, proper funding, international apathy for the conflicts, apathy or support from Russians and their enemies had limited supplies.

In Ukraine, time can be turned against him by:

- EU and US preparing to de-couple energetically and financially from Russia.
- Increased sanctions and continued diplomatic action.
- Increased military aid and intelligence support to Ukraine.
- Increased information to the Russian people about the thousands of soldiers dead.
- Attacks to critical infrastructure and legitimate targets in Russian territory.

It is for US and Europe to make this work.

Oh, I can help you with that. The guy's strategy is: using massively artillery in cities. Night and day, flatten them. He led the war in Syria... this is Aleppo after his "strategy". This is why the West should be helping Ukraine achieve a decisive victory, this guy is not a soldier, is a psycho.
Well, it seems that these are not very good prospects for Ukraine.

You are assuming there will be no consequences for Putin's Russia trying to do that in Europe?

Ukraine will be receiving all the help and supplies required to achieve a decisive victory. By this time, Putin's Chief Psychos must have noticed that US will not allow them to reach any significant gain, but they are certainly going to let Putin bleed, alas, with Europe. Russia did not learn anything from WW II, except to use their people as cannon fodder.

However, it seems that yesterday the intensity of artillery fire from Russia sharply decreased[...] I can assume that a significant part of the centers of fire resistance identified by reconnaissance has already been destroyed there and the preparatory part of the battle for Donbass has already ended.

Or one can assume many other things - if that information was true in the first place.

I'm not sure where did you got that Russian invasion become surprise for Ukraine, NATO and West. IIRC, few days before inavsion, USA intelligence warned that inavsion can begin at any moment, on 23th February state of emergency started in Ukraine. Though, Ukraine admitted that they didn't expected invasion in North, from Belarus side.
It doesn't matter how well Ukraine prepared for a Russian invasion if it missed a surprise blow. Although TwitchySeal believes that Ukraine won near Kyiv and kicked Russia's ass there, putting it to flight. This feature of Ukrainian propaganda does not surprise me; it even declared the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Mariupol as a victory.

be.open can word it however he wants, but the major surprise here was for Putin. The official initial objectives were:

"demilitarise" - Ukraine has an army that is stronger, better armed and better supported from outside than before.
"depose de government of Ukraine" - Ukraine government has now become a symbol of fight against tyranny.
"denazify" - Putin's actions got all the Nazi traits: encouraging Homophobia, Xenophobia ("gayrope"), militaristic, aggressive, curtailing free speech, incarcerating the opposition, invading neighbours, systematically destroying any balance of power, installing puppets and mass-graving civilians,... He has proven to be a Supremacist psycho.

The ones that were not declared:

- Install a puppet: Failed.
- Take Kyiv - expecting a surrender: Failed.
- Prevent Ukraine's access to the Black Sea: Failed (at least for now admittedly).

The ones that are achieved as of now:

- A corridor to Crimea... (except for the resistance in Mariupol).
- Territorial gains in the Donbass (very limited territorial gains).

Securing these two is still very questionable.



And this ''civilian war'' was started by Russia 8 years ago. And what is genocide of Russian speaking Donbass population is still big mistery for me.
You have an interesting interpretation of historical events, but I do not agree with it.

There is no way the separatists could have been funded an armed without Putin's money and support. It does not get any clearer.


I'm not sure where did you got that Russian invasion become surprise for Ukraine, NATO and West. IIRC, few days before inavsion, USA intelligence warned that inavsion can begin at any moment, on 23th February state of emergency started in Ukraine. Though, Ukraine admitted that they didn't expected invasion in North, from Belarus side.
And I'm not sure why you're saying about too small forces, when there was close ti 200k troops near to Ukrainian border.


He is probably comparing that USA attacked 3 times smaller country (Iraq) with 5 times more soldiers (almost a million) and
only after 42 days of one of heaviest bombardment in history
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 Russia does not abandon its allies, regardless of the complexity of the situation...

Cuba, Grenada, Serbia, ...

Boris "Partyman" Johnson went to India so that he could avoid being in the UK while the results of the investigation on his behaviour during COVID were made public. A secondary objective was to establish a trade treaty to try to make-up the mess he is making after BREXIT, including being at clear risk of making Northern Ireland and independent country under Sinn Fein rule.

UK official position is to arm and help Ukraine and recently has stated that targeting legit objectives in Russia with UK supplied weapons is not a problem. This obviously has not been to the liking of the Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales.
2187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
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You have a logical error, and I pointed it out in the previous paragraph. It will be easier for you to understand it using the example of any peacekeeping mission with the approval of the UN Security Council - this is not a war, but peacekeepers sometimes shoot. It can also be viewed as a hybrid information-economic proxy war between the US and Russia for spheres of influence in Europe with a battlefield on the territory of Ukraine. But for my personal safety, I will call this a military special operation.

There are no US nor NATO soldiers in Ukraine, there are Putin's Russia soldiers. A peacekeeping mission is a force that gets in the middle of two conflicting factions to prevent them from fighting. Russia is not getting in the middle of two factions, is taking a side.

If you wish to consider this a proxy for spheres of influence it would be closer to the truth. I am not particularly happy about US influence in Latin America, the Middle East nor anywhere else. I do take sides when a despotic regime takes the path of aggression on a germinal democracy - a very imperfect one.

I am not blind to the conflicts in Donbas, but there should be a pacific resolution and Russia should have acted as a mediator, not as a part in the conflict. US probably did not help either, both are still living in an imperialistic mindset in which local dissents are an opportunity to grab another piece of the world and they are both experts at feeding the local hawks and make a lot of money selling weapons in the process.

There are many countries that have different levels of governments and political organisations that could very well work in Ukraine, but that happens when people are given the opportunity to discuss and find common ground. That does not happen under despotic regimes that simply take one side, but usually in Democracies (e.g. North Ireland, Basque country, ...) in which people eventually understand that fighting is most of the times the worst solution.

For your purposes, you can call it whatever your government allows you to call it - we would not want you in prison, would we?
I don't understand what you are trying to prove to me? That only the United States or NATO countries have the exclusive right to conduct peacekeeping or special military operations, including without the sanction of the UN Security Council, invading the territory of sovereign states? (There are many examples, the most recent being Turkey's recent invasion of Northern Iraq, which is ongoing right now). Or that Russia has not made enough diplomatic efforts to peacefully resolve the conflict within the framework of the Minsk agreements?

I am not trying to prove anything. You are comparing Putin's war to a peacekeeping mission - which is not, because they have clearly declared that they are fighting on behalf of one side, or a proxy war between Russia and the US, which is not because there are no US soldiers (nor NATO troops) in the conflict but there are Putin's Russia soldiers - so it is not a proxy, it is simply a war between Russia and Ukraine.

Russia has put forward their conditions about how Ukraine would need to act to avoid being invaded. That, in my hood's called a threat, not a negotiation. Ukraine has decided not to be bullied. On top of that, the Donbas conflict could not exist without the support from Putin's Russia. War is expensive - who is funding the separatists? We all know who.

Seems to me that Putin wants peace, but only if he sets the rules, else ... psycho mode.
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I will refrain from making new forecasts regarding the timing or even the likely directions of strikes, it is difficult for me to predict the logic of the combat general who command this operation.

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Oh, I can help you with that. The guy's strategy is: using massively artillery in cities. Night and day, flatten them. He led the war in Syria... this is Aleppo after his "strategy". This is why the West should be helping Ukraine achieve a decisive victory, this guy is not a soldier, is a psycho.

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Dubbed the ‘butcher’ of Aleppo and Grozny, Aleksandr Dvornikov, was honoured with a Hero of Russia medal in 2016





2188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 09:01:44 PM
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Australian PM warns Chinese that new base would be 'red line' for Australia and the US...Western countries are scrambling over a security pact reached between China and Solomon Islands
https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-pm-says-new-chinese-base-would-be-red-line-for-australia-us

Think we're hitting the peak of the irony here. So how many here are going to start yelling about Solomon Islands' right to join whatever pact they want? Or Chinese cookies are different than Nuland's cookies? Surely China can find a lot more countries around the globe where it can offer some irresistibly profitable trading terms in exchange for some military cooperation. That's the problem with precedents, once you set them then you reap what you sow.

The justification for US screwing Cuba was that Cuba's proximity to US was an existential threat, that got us through cold war. Why, why did they have to challenge that and rock the boat now?

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As far as Cuba, Castro's regime is not a representation of the people of Cuba, thus does not represent the will of the people living there. I will get flames for this, but that government, IMHO, while de-facto is the Cuban government, cannot be assumed to speak of behalf of the Cuban people and any agreement entered by it is not legit.

Chinese cookies are China's Communist Party's cookies, clearly a regime that cannot in anyway be assumed to represent the majority of the Chinese, even less now that Xi has decided to perpetuate himself in power. Again, I will get flames for this, but their government lacks legitimacy to act on behalf of their people.

If the majority of people of the S.I. and majority of people in China wish to have an agreement and are informed of the consequences (economic, political,...) then they should. There are some doubts about the level of representativeness of the current Prime Minister, who is accused of being in China's pocket.

Now, back to Putin's Russia, currently at war with Ukraine.

Ahh right, the "will of the people", totally objective position for international relations, who wouldn't buy up such logic. Now who do you think should decide which governments "speak on behalf of its people" enough to allow them to join pacts? Care to share your list? Did Bush represent the majority of Americans, majority supported, had an agreement and were informed of the consequences (economic, political,...) of getting into Afghanistan? So were Trump's and now Biden's actions?

I mean if we're going to make up justifications why some countries are not allowed to do things that others can, after the fact, why not just say that counties that are in a pact that begins with NA* or in alliance with such pact, can just do whatever they want, wile everyone else gets sanctioned?

S.I. GDP is just $1.71 billion if China double/triple/10x... countries GDP overnight do you not think that majority wouldn't be dancing on the streets welcoming it's military in their houses?? Such idiotic diplomacy is what got us to this place. Now China is just going to buy up "majority" in every poor country that it wishes. If this is the best argument for foreign policy they can come up with, then it's a total diplomatic failure. No one with IQ higher than a rock will accept such mental gymnastics.

RE GDP, you are right to assume that people would be very happy about a better lifestyle - that is, if that money really ever reaches the average Joe. However, you should as well tell them that they are becoming a military target, should a war ever occur and they will be from then on depending on keeping in the good side of the CCP and thus loose their independence and, to a great degree, their freedom. You, see ... there are no free lunches, particularly, there are no free "swallow nests" when dealing with the CCP (and I am the one being classed as Naïve... oh my).#

By the way, if you have an army of, let's say 1000 soldiers and you have a base in your territory of, let's say 5000 Chinese soldiers, backed up by a massively superior force ... who's country is it?

See, you can argue about how representative democracies are, however, you cannot argue how representative is the system in Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Iran... because there is no argument.

Your position is that "since representative governments are not perfect then everything is equally bad". Cuba and US have the same level of legitimacy for you. Also, you take the practical approach to world diplomacy, but an ethical approach to judging representation in democracies.

We do not agree, that's all. Certainly, I am not trying to make anything up, I am simply expressing my view. I do not need to "list" ... you need free press, respect for the law and the individual rights and a representative system to elect a government plus independent judiciary... the more the better),

Also, I am not trying to convince you of anything either, nor do I need to justify anyone else's doing and I am certainly not going to try to justify any of the Bushes - Junior is certainly psychopath IMHO.

I think that my way of seeing things is what corresponds to a civilized position in the XXI century. Tzars, despots, kings, feudal lords... that is medieval and humanity should strive to get rid of those systems and those who support and promote them.

I am not a fan of the US nor I defend their way of electing representatives, the massive private donations, the gerrymandering and many other of the idiosyncrasies of the voting system. I could say the same for France, UK (extreme gerrymandering), Spain (you vote for a list, not a person) and even Switzerland which tends to delegate too much into referendums, even for decisions that are too complex, ... you can name any representative system and it has its faults.






2189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine [In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
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But I was especially pleased with the Russian propaganda ingenuity ... if I were the one who would receive money for such work, I still would not have thought of dressing the girls in the uniform of sexy nurses with swastika elements, (the uniform is definitely taken from a sex shop or a drama theater because this kind of costume nurses wore 70 years ago).

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The original version would be




2190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine [In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 11:52:02 AM
The first echolocation images of the ex-flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation appeared.

The wreckage of a Mi-26 helicopter lying near the cruiser is also visible.

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You can also see the rouble / USD value right by the helicopter, sunken deep.

On the helicopter thing, I am not saying this is not accurate information, but I wonder why was the helicopter not able to leave the ship?

The nurses... gee, looking clean and lovely. No wonder Putin's soldiers are so keen in getting wounded and their leader make all kinds of efforts to send them to the hospital. Or the morgue.
2191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 10:32:35 AM
I could even believe you... except for the fact that Biden was clearly stating that it was going to happen even a couple weeks ahead "genius" https://www.politico.eu/article/us-joe-biden-warns-of-russia-invasion-of-ukraine-within-days/

There are even posts on this forum making fun, even I did not think Putin would be as stupid... But NATO, they knew.

The govs in the West are banning anything that is considered disinformation. Anyone interested can still access Russian media. If you need proof, please, let me know any outlet that you would like me to read.

Unfortunately, all those bots and trolls like you sending false information have given the West govs the chance to restrict liberty. Another reason to hate this war.
Usually in each of my posts there is at least one link as a proof. But your statements are just unfounded blah blah blah with a bunch of logical errors, as if you have burnt porridge in your head instead of brains. Well, which one of us is a bot? Grin

Are you aware that you just quoted one of my links above? Yes you provide links to official media sometimes ... hardly a proof, more of food for Youtube algos.

Oh, my brain is fine. I know you will have a hard time understanding me and, be sure, I am not here to amuse you. Truth is boring, logic is long, boring and does not provide simple (yet wrong) answers to complex issues.
2192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Again, following the argument of "Russia is not at war" (which is already unbelievable), you say "Ukraine is in a civil war", that means that you admit that all the Donbas is Ukrainian territory at contest between two Ukrainian factions (Ukraine surely thanks you for that). You also say that Russia came to stop it. Thus Russia has sent troops into Ukrainian territory and has military presence there.
Almost. In Ukraine, there was a civil war in the Donbass for eight years, and then Dobnass asked Russia to recognize its independence and help deal with this protracted history. Thus, Russia has sent its troops to the territory of Ukraine and has its military presence there, without the approval of the UN Security Council.

Invading another country with military forces is an act of war. Russia is at war with Ukraine. Ukraine can use any (legal) means to destroy Russian war infrastructure, including logistics, depots, factories, command centres, military installations, etc.
Not necessary. It can be a peacekeeping mission, or a counter-terrorist operation, or a special military operation, there are more than one options. But what you are right about is that Ukraine can use any legal means to destroy any legitimate targets. The use of illegal means and/or illegal purposes is a war crime.

And let's now follow the opposite argument: If "Russia is not at war", then Putin is committing acts of terror in Ukraine which makes him a terrorist and makes Russia a terrorist supporting state. Ukraine is then in the right to capture, put to trial and sentence any member of the Russian government or military involved in these terrorist acts. They are lucky, if it were the US they would be sent to Guantanamo without trial and for an indeterminate period of time.
You have a logical error, and I pointed it out in the previous paragraph. It will be easier for you to understand it using the example of any peacekeeping mission with the approval of the UN Security Council - this is not a war, but peacekeepers sometimes shoot. It can also be viewed as a hybrid information-economic proxy war between the US and Russia for spheres of influence in Europe with a battlefield on the territory of Ukraine. But for my personal safety, I will call this a military special operation.


But, none of that is true - Russia has started a war with Ukraine. And, as the saying goes, you only know how wars start, not how they end.

In practical terms, Russia will deny there is a war, and Ukraine will "not deny nor confirm" any activity in Russian territory. But words are just wind.
Call it what you will, but remember that war crimes are war crimes and will have to be answered.

The govs in the West are banning anything that is considered disinformation. Anyone interested can still access Russian media. If you need proof, please, let me know any outlet that you would like me to read.

Unfortunately, all those bots and trolls like you sending false information have given the West govs the chance to restrict liberty. Another reason to hate this war.
Usually in each of my posts there is at least one link as a proof. But your statements are just unfounded blah blah blah with a bunch of logical errors, as if you have burnt porridge in your head instead of brains. Well, which one of us is a bot? Grin

Act of war definition:

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act of war
(4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of— (A) declared war; (B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or (C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin;

Does not get any clearer.

The use of illegal means and/or illegal purposes is a war crime.

Curiously enough, that is not always the case. War crimes have also specific definitions, not everything illegal is a war crime and there are three groups of crime wars that are not at the same level of relevance.

You have a logical error, and I pointed it out in the previous paragraph. It will be easier for you to understand it using the example of any peacekeeping mission with the approval of the UN Security Council - this is not a war, but peacekeepers sometimes shoot. It can also be viewed as a hybrid information-economic proxy war between the US and Russia for spheres of influence in Europe with a battlefield on the territory of Ukraine. But for my personal safety, I will call this a military special operation.

There are no US nor NATO soldiers in Ukraine, there are Putin's Russia soldiers. A peacekeeping mission is a force that gets in the middle of two conflicting factions to prevent them from fighting. Russia is not getting in the middle of two factions, is taking a side.

If you wish to consider this a proxy for spheres of influence it would be closer to the truth. I am not particularly happy about US influence in Latin America, the Middle East nor anywhere else. I do take sides when a despotic regime takes the path of aggression on a germinal democracy - a very imperfect one.

I am not blind to the conflicts in Donbas, but there should be a pacific resolution and Russia should have acted as a mediator, not as a part in the conflict. US probably did not help either, both are still living in an imperialistic mindset in which local dissents are an opportunity to grab another piece of the world and they are both experts at feeding the local hawks and make a lot of money selling weapons in the process.

There are many countries that have different levels of governments and political organisations that could very well work in Ukraine, but that happens when people are given the opportunity to discuss and find common ground. That does not happen under despotic regimes that simply take one side, but usually in Democracies (e.g. North Ireland, Basque country, ...) in which people eventually understand that fighting is most of the times the worst solution.

For your purposes, you can call it whatever your government allows you to call it - we would not want you in prison, would we?

2193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 26, 2022, 08:43:07 AM
I think that the Ukrainian military strategically has been mostly intelligent and technically well prepared. When Putin stated over and over that he would not invade Ukraine, they did not prepare for the best case, but for the worst scenario and they were right.
Ukraine has been actively preparing for its attack on the Donbass all winter. There was a lot of talk about the possibility of a Russian invasion, but however, it turned out to be a complete surprise for Ukraine, NATO intelligence simply overslept it. The genius of Putin's strategy lies precisely in the fact that, according to the military canons current as of February 2022, it was technically impossible...

I could even believe you... except for the fact that Biden was clearly stating that it was going to happen even a couple weeks ahead "genius" https://www.politico.eu/article/us-joe-biden-warns-of-russia-invasion-of-ukraine-within-days/

There are even posts on this forum making fun, even I did not think Putin would be as stupid... But NATO, they knew.

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You are right, a real civil war has been going on in Ukraine for 8 years,
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. Russia is not at war, she came to stop it. I call a spade a spade.
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Again, following the argument of "Russia is not at war" (which is already unbelievable), you say "Ukraine is in a civil war", that means that you admit that all the Donbas is Ukrainian territory at contest between two Ukrainian factions (Ukraine surely thanks you for that). You also say that Russia came to stop it. Thus Russia has sent troops into Ukrainian territory and has military presence there.

Invading another country with military forces is an act of war. Russia is at war with Ukraine. Ukraine can use any (legal) means to destroy Russian war infrastructure, including logistics, depots, factories, command centres, military installations, etc.

And let's now follow the opposite argument: If "Russia is not at war", then Putin is committing acts of terror in Ukraine which makes him a terrorist and makes Russia a terrorist supporting state. Ukraine is then in the right to capture, put to trial and sentence any member of the Russian government or military involved in these terrorist acts. They are lucky, if it were the US they would be sent to Guantanamo without trial and for an indeterminate period of time.

But, none of that is true - Russia has started a war with Ukraine. And, as the saying goes, you only know how wars start, not how they end.

In practical terms, Russia will deny there is a war, and Ukraine will "not deny nor confirm" any activity in Russian territory. But words are just wind.


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The Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia together sent about 200 T-72 tanks of various modifications to Ukraine. I do not consider German Leopards-1 a serious weapon, but nevertheless. The number of armored personnel carriers and self-propelled howitzers supplied by the West to Ukraine is no longer in the hundreds, but closer to thousands. Also, the West sent anti-tank systems of various types to Ukraine at the rate of ten complexes per one Russian tank. This is only from the West, and there are still huge stocks of weapons inherited from the USSR. Recently, in Balakliya, the Russians took control of the "65th Arsenal" ammunition depot with about 150,000 tons of shells.

Ukraine still has a very impressive arsenal of weapons and ammunition, even considering the very serious losses after two months of demilitarization.


The numbers you are providing are impossible. The self propelled howis are in the range of tens. Should UKR have 1000 Putin's army would already be on their way to Moscow. Interesting that you add numbers of APCs and howis which are completely different. The number of ATs as you mention is nearly impossible.

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As Francis Scott Fitzgerald said, "The mark of a first-class brain is the ability to keep two mutually exclusive thoughts in mind at the same time without losing the ability to think". There are rumors that I am the best analyst of the Russian locale, but this is not certain. Grin
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That refers to the possibility of pondering different opinions when there is no data or the data is incomplete, it does not mean purposely changing facts.


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Australian PM warns Chinese that new base would be 'red line' for Australia and the US...Western countries are scrambling over a security pact reached between China and Solomon Islands
https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-pm-says-new-chinese-base-would-be-red-line-for-australia-us

Think we're hitting the peak of the irony here. So how many here are going to start yelling about Solomon Islands' right to join whatever pact they want? Or Chinese cookies are different than Nuland's cookies? Surely China can find a lot more countries around the globe where it can offer some irresistibly profitable trading terms in exchange for some military cooperation. That's the problem with precedents, once you set them then you reap what you sow.

The justification for US screwing Cuba was that Cuba's proximity to US was an existential threat, that got us through cold war. Why, why did they have to challenge that and rock the boat now?

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As far as Cuba, Castro's regime is not a representation of the people of Cuba, thus does not represent the will of the people living there. I will get flames for this, but that government, IMHO, while de-facto is the Cuban government, cannot be assumed to speak of behalf of the Cuban people and any agreement entered by it is not legit.

Chinese cookies are China's Communist Party's cookies, clearly a regime that cannot in anyway be assumed to represent the majority of the Chinese, even less now that Xi has decided to perpetuate himself in power. Again, I will get flames for this, but their government lacks legitimacy to act on behalf of their people.

If the majority of people of the S.I. and majority of people in China wish to have an agreement and are informed of the consequences (economic, political,...) then they should. There are some doubts about the level of representativeness of the current Prime Minister, who is accused of being in China's pocket.

Now, back to Putin's Russia, currently at war with Ukraine.

Quote from: be.open

Your reenactment of 1984..
In the meantime, the EU is censoring the internet lol. I hope no one gets arrested for reading my post. Take care of yourself there in the stronghold of the victorious democracy.


The govs in the West are banning anything that is considered disinformation. Anyone interested can still access Russian media. If you need proof, please, let me know any outlet that you would like me to read.

Unfortunately, all those bots and trolls like you sending false information have given the West govs the chance to restrict liberty. Another reason to hate this war.

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Germany free?  Grin

You would need to elaborate that "thought".
2194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 09:35:11 PM
So what does that say about Russian forces if they had to retreat from Kyiv and are stuck for 2 months elsewhere against < 20% of Ukraine's military equipment?

Or is perhaps possible that Russian propaganda is full of lies?
Or maybe you just have a lot of shit in your head?  Grin

No matter how many tanks you have, you can't take with 50,000 soldiers a city of 3 million that doesn't want to fly the white flag. Even now, Russia does not have a numerical advantage in Ukraine, this operation is technically impossible - and therefore it will be included in military textbooks. I have already said above that the attack from the north was a diversionary tactical maneuver - in order to pin down the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kyiv, which now cannot help in the Donbass, and in order to quickly take control of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and exclude possible provocations by Ukraine with radioactive contamination of the area.

The explanation is far simpler. Putin though that he would actually take the city, that it would surrender. He failed. The unprepared Russian soldiers died by the thousands.

However, I agree in the general sense: Russia does not have the numbers to achieve a major victory of any kind.

I think that the Ukrainian military strategically has been mostly intelligent and technically well prepared. When Putin stated over and over that he would not invade Ukraine, they did not prepare for the best case, but for the worst scenario and they were right.

No one is bombing your cities, calm down already. The only object that was bombed was the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, until the moment the Azov commander said that there were civilians in the bunker. During the two months of the operation, about 40 air bombs were dropped on Ukraine - all on Azovstal. I'm already tired of our conversation today, I'll go to sleep.

You are confusing determination with nervousness. Putin is certainly shelling, bombing and launching missile attacks at Ukrainian cities and villages, if you want to deny that is up to you. At this point nobody has any doubt about it, not even in Russia.

Yes, sleep tight... and repeat three times "I am safe in Putin's Russia" if you dream of dead soldiers and burnt bodies.

2195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 09:22:11 PM
Tanks or other armored vehicles - 2400 destroyed in 60 days comes to ~40 average per day. If you're saying that they don't destroy as many recently, then it means they must have destroyed even more in the early days of the war, perhaps even before the foreign shipments arrived... meaning what? Ukrainians have been holding Russian offence even longer with their 6... well, not even tanks, it's like one tank, one BTR, two howitzers, and two BMPs according to the propagandons Grin

You seem to have tangled up in your pretzel.

Or perhaps Russian propaganda is full of lies.
You don't follow the dynamics of events very well. It seems that 80+% of all Ukrainian tanks and planes were destroyed in the first few days of the operation by massive missile strikes throughout Ukraine, when these tanks and planes were parked in rows. (If Putin had immediately ordered to hit the army barracks with missiles, 80% of the manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have been destroyed in the first days, but this did not happen). After the dispersal of tanks, they have already ceased to be a target for missile strikes, with rare exceptions, because it is difficult to hit a single tank with a rocket and it is stupid to waste a rocket on a single tank. Do you understand anything about the military or just like to press buttons on the keyboard with a smart look? Grin


Per your logic, US was not at war in Irak because there was no full mobilisation. Even you must be aware that this level of bullshit cannot be digested even by the most convinced Russian supremacist.

Yes, and Japan was on a Special Military Operation with the United States during WW II. And Germany was on a Special Military Operation in Stalingrad and the the UK bombed Rotterdam in a Special Military Operation.

Now, Ukraine is in his right to undergo a Special Military Operation in Russia.

It is so funny if you think of it, Ukraine cannot attack targets in Russian soil because Putin has decided to call his war "a Special whateverthebullsh*t". You are once more an bottomless pit of fun.

This is not my logic, there are some established rules for declaring war - for example, you need to hand over the appropriate note to the embassy, and then the war began. And after the signing of the peace treaty, the war ended. The last war on planet Earth was declared by Russia to Japan in August 1945 and it has not yet ended, because Russia and Japan have not yet signed a peace treaty. Therefore, do not throw around the word "war" in vain, not every armed conflict is a war.


The argument is just stupid, but let's follow it: Putin has not declared war in Ukraine. However he is bombing the cities. Are you saying then that Putin is a terrorist?

Or, in another way: Putin is doing a Special Bulshitwhatever, but then Ukraine has exactly the same right to do the same.

Do you think that not declaring war means that there is not actually a war? Even historically, Japan did not declare war, they simply bombed Pearl Harbour.

Your country is at war. There are consequences if you bomb someone else's cities. It is effectively an act of war by any international law, you do not need to declare it.

The last war on earth was 1945 ? OMG, I bow before your knowledge of history. It certainly explains a lot of what you write.
2196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 08:59:10 PM
Ah.... there your are. You did not get it at all. Russia is waging a war in Ukraine. I am going to repeat it to you because I do not think you fully understand the situation:

Your country is at war. Russia is a belligerent nation in a war with Ukraine.

What did you think? That this was all about watching the killing Ukrainian civils and military, destroying their infrastructures and sitting in your couch slamming the keyboard? Well, breaking news for you: Ukraine is perfectly in his right to blow any military, logistics, transportation or command related infrastructure in Russia. It is not terrorism, it is absolutely to the rules of war. They could even put a bomb in the Kremlin and it would be a perfectly legitimate target.

Not only that, they are perfectly in their right to launch air strikes, missiles or covert ops, lets say for example in the vicinity of Minsk. Remember this, any legal (war rules) operation in the vicinity of let's say, Minsk.


You don't seem to understand this. Russia is not at war with Ukraine, this is a military special operation. ...

Per your logic, US was not at war in Irak because there was no full mobilisation. Even you must be aware that this level of bullshit cannot be digested even by the most convinced Russian supremacist.

Yes, and Japan was on a Special Military Operation with the United States during WW II. And Germany was on a Special Military Operation in Stalingrad and the the UK bombed Rotterdam in a Special Military Operation.

Now, Ukraine is in his right to undergo a Special Military Operation in Russia.

It is so funny if you think of it, Ukraine cannot attack targets in Russian soil because Putin has decided to call his war "a Special whateverthebullsh*t". You are once more an bottomless pit of fun.

2197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 08:43:10 PM
Ukraine does not deny nor confirm. Do you understand? "Does not deny nor confirm". And if you ask US intelligence services if they are helping... they "not deny nor confirm".

Now repeat with me once more:  "I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia..."
I understand it. When there is confirmation from the Ukrainian side, then it will be appropriate to talk about it here. For now, I can only say that even terrorists act more honestly than Ukraine, because usually some specific terrorist organization takes responsibility for the strike. There is no responsibility - it means that until the end of the investigation it is just an accident. "The Clap with a negative rise of silence", to put it more politically correct.

ps I live in one of the safest places in the world, far enough from the scene of events and at the same time my place for this performance is in the stalls in the first row.

Ah.... there your are. You did not get it at all. Russia is waging a war in Ukraine. I am going to repeat it to you because I do not think you fully understand the situation:

Your country is at war. Russia is a belligerent nation in a war with Ukraine.

What did you think? That this was all about watching the killing Ukrainian civils and military, destroying their infrastructures and sitting in your couch slamming the keyboard? Well, breaking news for you: Ukraine is perfectly in his right to blow any military, logistics, transportation or command related infrastructure in Russia. It is not terrorism, it is absolutely to the rules of war. They could even put a bomb in the Kremlin and it would be a perfectly legitimate target.

Not only that, they are perfectly in their right to launch air strikes, missiles or covert ops, lets say for example in the vicinity of Minsk. Remember this, any legal (war rules) operation in the vicinity of let's say, Minsk.

I have not seen reports that Ukraine claimed responsibility

I didn't say it did. However Russian propaganda destroyed two more TB2s (negative 10th and 11th I think) and also uncovered a secret Ukrainian plot to kill one of the esteemed propagandists. Same "plotters" were also planning to set army recruitment offices on fire, which is very convenient because such fires have been happening recently so now propaganda can blame Ukraine. Oh and the "plotters" had Hitler's photo with them. Just think about that one for a moment.

Normally I'd say people who read all that shit and think "yeah, this sounds plausible" must be utter morons, but this being Russia I guess we can make an allowance for extreme brainwashing.


On this, I have to ask: Blame Ukraine for what? If they were blasting apartments in Moscow, there would be some blame game, but destroying any military target or killing anyone involved in espionage, counterintelligence, etc... is simply called war, and we know who started.

I do get that it may be intended to generate hate in Russia towards Ukraine thus having people supporting their government, but "nor confirmed or denied" it is legit.


The revolution in Russian is gathering steam, more targets are now under flame....

We witness history, the final disintegration of russia.

https://twitter.com/spook_info/status/1518428523484098560

using that logic, USA is done?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2LupUXRUxbA

I guess Texas and California are going back to Mexico soon  Grin

You intend this as a joke, but the divide in the US is extreme. Recently, I meet a girl from California. She mentioned that they call the "bible belt" (Missouri, Mississippi, Texas,...) the "fly over states". They could not despise more the deep south, and, from my own experience when I lived there, I cannot blame them.
2198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 03:08:29 PM
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I see they supplied you with new material so that you wouldn't have to talk about faulty wiring and danger of smoking.

However projecting Putin's imperial delusions on other countries doesn't really work well outside of Russian propaganda space. Russian Federation is the aggressor. Not Poland. Stay on topic, comrade.
It seems that it is you who are digressing from the topic, I have not seen reports that Ukraine claimed responsibility for the strikes in Bryansk, probably because there were no such messages.

Ukraine does not deny nor confirm. Do you understand? "Does not deny nor confirm". And if you ask US intelligence services if they are helping... they "not deny nor confirm".

Now repeat with me once more:  "I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia..."
2199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM

No, bullets are not cheaper when you are aiming for mass killings and you need to get close to the target to use them. The Nazi psychos, similarly to Putin's psychos, decide on more "efficient" methods.



You weren't paying attention...we were talking about Bucha during time Russia kept it occupied

I answered to this. You quote me on the topic of flechettes, I answer to that. But, to be honest, I was also not paying much attention either.


There are 8000 of this "flechettes" in a shell. There is only one possible use for it when fired on a civilian area.


It is still strange using those on area you keep occupied...bullet is simpler, cheaper, and harder
to find out who killed them, but Russians seems to insist to kill civilians with weapons that
can only be traced to Russia. Stupid Russians. And if missed slightly, they could kill their own troops
2200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: April 25, 2022, 11:24:57 AM
Unlike the alleged helicopter attack in Belgorod a few weeks ago, this is much deeper in Russian territory (~15 miles vs ~70 miles).

It's not a Ukrainian attack, stop posting propaganda. This is a normal fire that happens from time to time in oil depots. Most likely this time it was human error. Oil is very flammable and tends to cause problems from time to time. Brave Russian firefighters are dealing with it.

I know you're being facetious, but I was hanging out in some Russian TG channels this morning and it's a bit of a mess there...

"When is Putin finally going to start a real war?"
"This can't be Ukraine, this is NATO attacking us"
"Why didn't they appreciate our good will gesture (retreat from Kyiv)"
"Let's nuke Kyiv"
"Let's nuke Poland"
"Mobilization" (ok, that one is just Girkin)

There is also a constant mention of the nuclear arsenal in Putin's controlled media "debates". Poland, Germany,... and then a "test" of Satan II in the middle of a war. The message to the population is clear: You are part of a strong country that can destroy others. You are safe, we will win and nothing bad can happen to you.

Is that working? Well, even the dumbest of the Russians does understand that once you use nuclear weapons, you can be certain to get hit back. I would be fucking scared to hear to official sources talking over and over about nuclear strikes. Particularly if I were living in Moscow, perhaps even St Petersburg with the right wind and weather. Perhaps the first strike would be in Belarus, depending on the target hit by Russia.

Please, do not think that I am talking theoretically about this. That comes from known results from "wargames" exercises by the Pentagon and NATO desk-based exercises.
 

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