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1481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: During the morning missile attack on Ukraine, the Russians hit Samsung Offices on: October 17, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
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The morning did not begin with good news. Ukrainian cities were subjected to massive shelling from the enemy. We hope all our readers are staying safe. Unfortunately, there are victims and destruction. Russian terrorists attacked civilian objects. In particular, in Kyiv, a rocket damaged the building of the 101 Tower office center, which housed Samsung’s office and the company’s R&D center.

As the Director of Consumer Electronics Division at Samsung Electronics Ukraine Andrii Skira reported on his Facebook page, all company employees were outside the office. We also hope that employees of other offices managed to respond to the alarm and get to the shelter.

Any evidence that Russia is a terrorist country is no longer needed. It should not be feared, it should be defeated. Therefore, we remain calm, believe and donate to the Armed Forces, and continue to work.


https://mezha.media/en/2022/10/10/russians-hit-the-office-and-r-d-center-of-samsung-in-kyiv/


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Could russia target chip makers like samsung as primary military targets in the future. In an effort to pressure them to supply russia with much needed components?

In this instance russian rockets appeared to target samsung office bulidings.

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Something like that is possible under the "Mafia Logic" that the RF army uses when deciding targets. However I do not think that is likely for two reasons: it does not really have an effect on Samsung's ability to deliver tech components and second, RF missiles tend not the be even remotely accurate. Most likely this is just another of their fuckups. They just shot in the general direction of the population and that is pretty much it.
1482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Whose Crimea on: October 17, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
Really glad that Crimea took matters into safe hands by democratic vote they accepted to rejoin Russia.
Otherwise it would have been a terrible bloodbath, they are now protected by the sane, instead of the insane.

The West deems it very differently though, through lies.
Not putting one example of it here, not worth what they said about it.  

This is false information. Crimean citizens were not consulted with any observation or guarantee of due process. Until that is done, Crimea is an occupied territory that was annexed illegally by the RF. This is true to the point that soldiers from Wagner group that took power did not even tell who they were actually acting for!

Crimea belongs to people living in Crimea, anything else is medieval.

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Who do you think has the power to punish Putin? Only God. But Putin is punishing Zelensky, and God will punish Zelensky, too
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Your imaginary friend does not have any power over anyone, however have no doubt that Adolf Putin stays in power only while the US feels all right about his ability to control the nuclear arsenal. The moment that is in doubt, he will stop existing.

For now Adolf Putin is acting mostly in the interest of the US: getting Europe to owe more to the US, making many countries increase their spend in weapons, enhancing the NATO and bringing members that otherwise would be neutral, letting China know that US and Europe can and will fuckup the economy of any country that oversteps... Why would you get rid of such a guy? He should be in the CIA rooster if he is not.
1483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 17, 2022, 10:24:35 AM

IRIS-T as demanded by Zelenskij...('Like NOW you limp-dick Sitzpinkeln German mutherfuckers.')

 - "The cost of one Nasams battery is $23 million with one Amraam missile costs more than $1.2 million"

 - A kilo of good quality coke for NaZiocon acting troupe to split up,  Free from CIA.


Shabah-136:

 - Loitering chainsaw - About $20k ea:
 - Used rebar to fabricate a launch frame:  $0  (plenty available at the former Ukroid defensive fortifications.)


"Pretty simple math, eh Bob?"



This is me trying to decipher you crap. US and EU are sending advance air defence systems since Adolf Putin decided to destroy civil infrastructure unrelated to war (wanton destruction - a war crime). What is the point about speaking about drugs and rebar?

Again wattabouting, cocaine may be very likely be legalised before the turn of the decade. War on drugs is non-sense - as long as you have poor people, there will be no shortage and as long as US guys crazy about blowing up their noses anything smaller than a pea - and cartels are destroying half of Latin America.
1484  Other / Politics & Society / Massive humanitarian disaster about to happen in Somalia - Thousands will starve on: October 17, 2022, 10:18:58 AM
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/five-facts-about-crisis-somalia

Several regions in Somalia are under alert for an incoming crisis, while some others are already on full blown starvation. The RF war on Ukraine may have a lot to do and this year is not great either for those countries that could have helped. In a few weeks children will start dying and not before long, parents who have lost crops and cattle alike will flood into the camps with nothing to eat and nothing to buy food with.
1485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 17, 2022, 10:07:57 AM
There was a shooting at a military base in Belgorod region. I mean the bad kind of shooting, not like a training exercise. Two or three armed individuals (according to RF MOD - "terrorists", according to some other reports - mobilized soldiers) fired at other mobilized soldiers and killed between 10 and 22, injured 15 or more. MOD says the "terrorists" are citizens of CIS, meaning the moribund post-Soviet union involving Russia, Belarus, etc, but in this case they most likely mean a person from Central Asia. If they were among the mobilized, that would explain how an armed foreign (presumably dual) citizen managed to get into a military base. Motive was allegedly religion-based, which works well for Russian propaganda - islamic terrorism and the entire evil world against the righteous Russian dictatorship. They might try to tie it to Ukraine as well.

https://ria.ru/20221015/terakt-1824340408.html

Against this background, the news of a week ago looks very revealing, when human rights activists reported that labor migrants from Central Asian countries were being forced to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense in various dishonest ways. It seems to be a direct consequence of such a bestial attitude towards migrants.

https://holod.media/2022/10/09/v-rossii-migrantov-iz-czentralnoj-azii-obmanom-zastavlyayut-podpisyvat-voennye-kontrakty/

Try this for starters: Here's Why Sanctions Actually Help Russia - https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/heres-why-sanctions-actually-help-russia/ri41.
Oh, such nonsense has just started to be said since about 2014. It's funny that you gave a link to an article from 2015. I was hoping that you would give me something more weighty, for example, a list of factories and industries that have been opened on the territory of Russia in cooperation with China. Or at least the news that Russia and China now have a visa-free regime, you can stay in the country all year round and freely buy real estate with rubbles. There is no such thing either? Maybe goods from China have become much cheaper for Russians? Unfortunately, no.
But you are partly right. Only with a small note: there is a lot of benefit from sanctions for China. They got a chance to buy Russia's natural resources with almost no profit for Russia.

Short term, the RF can deal with sanctions, but certainly is not benefiting from them. Long term, they cannot do without the tech and the demand from developed countries.

Whatabouting on China, Xi has stated again that they are going to COVID-suicide their economy maintaining the zero tolerance and shutting down cities as required. Perhaps this is not the ideal partner (not that ever was) for a fruitful relationship hu?
1486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 15, 2022, 09:33:22 PM
Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

I guess they are trying to ask the RF slave army about it, the problem is that orcs think that Ukranians may be angry at the mass graves, the killing of children and the bombing of their schools and hospitals so they are running all the way to Moscow. It must be hard for them to understand that Ukrainians are just running to them as brothers to embrace their Eastern culture and thank Adolf Putin.
1487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 14, 2022, 07:20:13 PM
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Not sure if your assessment could be anymore wrong. If you really want to solve the problem, you need to start at the root cause of the problem, and not at its symptoms. You cannot box by the rules when the other guy is twice your size and doesn't follow them, that's just not how the real world works. US having a full hegemony put in place some terrible precedence, "operations" instead of wars, private military companies, use of nukes, financial and political coercion of other governments, disregarding international laws, sanctioning international court judges, human rights abuses, bombing of other nations infrastructure without UN etc etc etc... And now when (so far) local conflict touches you personally you cannot possibly act surprised when the world doesn't rise up on your calls that NOW suddenly everyone should start to care about the rules and start changing things  Roll Eyes We're back to the ‘For my friends, everything, for my enemies, the law’ logic. Laws either have to be consistent or shouldn't exist. Arbitrary application of laws, double standards and hypocrisy just makes a mockery of the whole system. Biggest players should start following laws before trying to shame others, it's akin of discussing global police abuse and starting with Ukraine while not mentioning police issues in US/Russia/China (cause suchmoon would be yelling whataboutism). It would be obvious to even casual observer that there's agenda at play and Ukraine is being used as a scapegoat.

It's an illusion, Ukraine is not big enough to hold on it's own, so it must submit to one Tzar or the other. Ukraine is already in shackles with A $20 billion programme would be the second largest currently active loan from the IMF after Argentina. All of this is outside of Ukraine's control, and i have nothing but pity for the people, as they're just pawns in this big game. But at the same time when two behemoths are battling it out, I'm very skeptical of any small nation that would willingly make itself into a battlefront proclaiming that it's protecting/fighting for the survival of one of the behemoths. Smart thing would be to stay quiet and watch how it plays out (like almost everyone else is doing). Either Grandiose delusions or people have been brainwashed into doing someone else's bidding by constant propaganda of being "de facto" in NATO and fighting for Poland/NATO/EU/Papua New Guinea/the World. Outcome is already shaping out and this is how it'll be sold to the people:

  • Russia-we got more land out of this and kept our dominance on EU resource markets
  • US-with only few billion spent and minimal losses we set Russia back some X years
  • Europe-WTF just happened!?!
  • Ukraine-Sure with the great decisions by our leadership we lost more of our population and land than was even discussed and agreed to at the beginning during negotiations, but take comfort in knowing that we saved Galapagos islands, we realize that this hypothetical cannot possibly be checked, so population just needs to trust us when we say if we haven't thrown tens? hundreds? of thousands of our soldiers at this, Orcs would've taken over Lviv and Galapagos islands would be next! Hooray to great decisions!
  • China- Grin

Human rights in middle east is shit. But now ask yourself why is it so? Then ask what is the currency in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, UAE (Dubai), Bahrain, and Qatar? Surely they are not all pegged and completely reliant to USD couldn't be right?? Now ask yourself why there so much human rights abuse in those countries? Is that cause with total financial control US just can't do anything about it? Or because US doesn't want to do anything about it, all of the money it sends there for oil still stays in it's own financial system anyway, which US can later use to offer bigger cookie to Ukrain/Belarus/Kazakhstan/Taiwan countries surrounding other world powers. And people, people just want to live their lives and are easily influence by a talking head on their TV box offering a bigger cookie until suddenly they find themselves fighting for their lives. Now ask yourself how are your proposals for "changes" will break this cycle and prevent this from happening over and over and over... again, or are these just superficial changes really intended to just prolong the current status quo

Could you please stop wall-texting to basically say nothing or state facts that are contrary to what we are seeing?

Again, you have to concede to anyone that is bigger. False, when someone is bigger and you concede you become a slave. You fight, you look for allies and you let the bastard know that there hell to pay for aggression. That is what you are looking at in Ukraine.

Again, you have been living for too long under despots and thieves - you have lost you will to fight and you think the rest of the people are like you.

Russia diplomatic stance has been fucked. Land? It is still yet to see what do they hold to - bearing in mind that the Donbas is not even a rich region.
Europe has been damaged, now it finally gets the incentive needed to diversify energy and suppliers.
US is super happy of fucking Adolf Putin's army.

My apologies if I do not go through all your wall... it is just repetitive and very biased.
1488  Economy / Gambling / Re: The History Of Gambling. on: October 14, 2022, 07:09:24 PM
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In the wild western movies which I think also show history where card tables are inside the salon or a whorehouse, people have to surrender thier weapons before going inside. That's kind of a KYC.

Lol, watching too much movie eh..  GrinMost of the created movies is part of the writers imagination there maybe some truth to it but most them are fiction.

Unfortunately, this is especially true with regards to gambling. I love movies and I watch a lot of them, and I can say that in the past 15 years or so, movies have been great in showing and explaining some scientific and historical facts, but never in my entire life I saw a film where gambling experience was depicted realistically. It is always only partly true, and this part is normally very small.

I guess you could even talk of the movie "the big short" as kind of an historical mega-betting, but from Wall Street. For those who have not seen it, it is about a well know hedge-fund manager that, in the moment of the biggest housing bubble known to humankind see further than the rest and decides that it is the moment to take a "short" position (selling without having the asset). I will not spoil the end, but it is a real superbet.
1489  Economy / Gambling / Re: To what extent do you chase anonymity while gambling? on: October 14, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
Not  much in my case, as I have little to hide, however I do respect people who play larger sums and have "that type of money" and look for a degree of privacy. I guess that it has always existed in the "real" world and on-line gambling has just made it easier. Anonymity in general is a nice to have, but it may not be the key to choose a platform for most of the people.
1490  Economy / Gambling / Re: Regulations & Gambling projects on: October 14, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
With regulation you can play in different ways from the business perspective. You may choose to be fully compliant with most jurisdictions in which case you will have extra costs, your clients extra KYC and problems but overall you are quite safe from the legal point, however there is nothing preventing anyone from using a more open jurisdiction, at the risk of having problems with some authorities.
1491  Economy / Gambling / Re: Do you visit the casino while travelling? on: October 14, 2022, 06:40:04 PM
I would advice against visiting a casino while travelling, it is a question of using the travelling time for reflection and relax. I personally like travelling from time to time even if it is not required because it creates a sense of tranquility and movement that, in my case, tends to make me think about how things are going and how could I make them better. Visiting a casino would defeat that purpose.
1492  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Parents And Their Children In Gambling.. on: October 14, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
I am having plan to just hide it from children and yet let them know what is gambling addiction and how to avoid it.

Sorry to say this letting them know about it is just as giving them an information that was not in their mind before more of less rekindling the effects of gambling in them. Well your wife could be free to know and as a man your sources of income, way of living should be let known to your wife depending on how understandable your wife seems to be, back to your children. Its a good thing they don't have the idea at their little stage maybe can be controlled at their maturity stage maybe from 19 years up because at this stage they now knew the risk involve while gambling and can mentally and physically controlled it.
That's a wrong perception, it is always good to keep them prepared than making them right after experiencing hard days. What have been said is right, everything needs to be transparent within the family members, but there is an age limit to educate on certain things. This is good, but the present generation can't be handled in such a way.

Recently in my country a small kid playing some game using his parents smartphone have used $10000+ to purchase equipment and other accessories in the game using the parents credit card. What can be done, if we've taught about this earlier this could've been avoided. Rather than age factor I find it is the way how we explain to them.
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Hidding thing does not work at all, they need to understand what it is and be exposed to people who had problems with gambling. Not everyone is prone to excessive gambling nor all people respond equally to gambling, in fact most people can have perfect control about most aspects of their lives and even if they get a bit absorbed, most can rein in an take measures to stop.
1493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 13, 2022, 01:27:58 PM
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Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  Roll Eyes

Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces.

The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it.

Pretty much spot on. He takes Crimea, then Easter Ukraine and the Fakepublics of the Dombas, then a corridor to the Fakepublic of Transnistria, they liberating the oppressed Russian living un Hungary, then a corridor to Konigsberg, ... From the European perspective, this has to end here and now. From the Ukrainian perspective, they do not want to be drafted as slaves, not having to survive the next Holodomor nor be the buffer for Putin's aggressions. And believe that some of the fighters in Ukraine speak well of the Commies, so Adolf Putin must have gotten something really wrong here.

Regarding soviet equipment, some people say that it is running thin, my personal take is that there is still a lot of rusty old iron. It is not fit for a modern war, but it kills when used and they do have a shitload of it. The issue is if in modern RF there is still space for a forceful recruiting of an army of slaves - Adolf Putin may have gotten that wrong too.

Slippery slope argument Haha this is a good spin, NATO playing a victim card, original! Russia is down to bare bones of RU speaking Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus. So if NATO doesn't expand to these countries right now that would be a gateway to RU taking over Ireland or Canada next!  Roll Eyes are we hoping that no one here has mental capacity to remember 2013 when UA had a pro RU president and that Transnistria has been with RU since 1990s and no one cared for that anymore than for Belarus president being the last European dictator
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Again, an historic argument that does not matter at all because you cannot get out the middle-age thinking of "this belong to Russia", "This territory was Russia when my grandad lived there..." The territories belong to the people who live in them, the fakeferendums can only create fakepublics.

Ukraine is trying to get away from the world of Tzars and Kings that held the land as a personal possession. You need to get on a time machine and get back to the XII century where your brain is. While you wait for it to be invented, you can just travel back in this thread where those arguments have been shown wrong over an over - starting by the fact that the origin of the Rus (modern Russians) is Kiev.

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Last i checked almost 1000km line of engagement still stands with RU even making some progress in some sections


You're cute when you don't have a counter argument  Tongue perhaps add a picture of burning Russian tank next time to really drive home your point?

The picture is a clear argument. Russian slave orcs are going to Moscow ... just for a coffee Boris... yes, back in no time.

As much as it's middle-age thinking you cannot deny that it's current reality. Cuba is still under US blockade just because of it's proximity to US, and US considering sanctions against Saudi Arabia not because they kill journalists and oppress women but because they didn't lower oil price and agreed to buyers cartel before November mid-term US elections (not to mention North Korea, Venezuela, Syria ...). You can even block deliveries of resources between separate countries, Germany even wanted to give US 1bil just for the privilege to turn on NordStream2, pretty savage right? Sorry to break this to you but this is how this cruel world still works, just because it's called soft power doesn't mean it doesn't cost lives, that's the benefit of being the world power and having reserve currency, you literally get to fuck around with anyone on this planet.

Another sorrowful base argument: you cannot change anything, this is the way it works so you have to live with it. You may have been living under a despot for too long to see anything else. Or even a worse one: "since you cannot always implement socially liberal and representative policies, then is better to not do it ever". That is your bottom line.

Yet here we are, people in Ukraine that are not willing to submit to the Tzar. That is real, you have it there. Medieval thinking does not work well in the Internet era.

You view is very partial and certainly you are not discovering anything, just trying to make Adolf Putin's attitude "the only possible course of action" - which certainly is not. You are putting the focus on countries that are ruled by despots because that is what you understand, but most of the developed world is based on representative governments (I do not want to discuss how democratic). And yes, we do have to live with Kings and Tzars and have diplomatic and commercial relations with them, but at least some of us want to press to make those regimes eventually representative.

Whattabout the Kingdom of Arabia? They are using the chance to favour their economy with disregard of their allies. There is price to pay. Nothing to do with their record as slavery and human rights abuse.

Let me ask you a question: How are human resources for construction works organised in Arabia, Oman, Dubai and EA? Do you know how they do it? Do you think "that's the world it is and there is nothing to be done?"
1494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 12, 2022, 11:49:31 PM
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Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  Roll Eyes

Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces.

The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it.

Pretty much spot on. He takes Crimea, then Easter Ukraine and the Fakepublics of the Dombas, then a corridor to the Fakepublic of Transnistria, they liberating the oppressed Russian living un Hungary, then a corridor to Konigsberg, ... From the European perspective, this has to end here and now. From the Ukrainian perspective, they do not want to be drafted as slaves, not having to survive the next Holodomor nor be the buffer for Putin's aggressions. And believe that some of the fighters in Ukraine speak well of the Commies, so Adolf Putin must have gotten something really wrong here.

Regarding soviet equipment, some people say that it is running thin, my personal take is that there is still a lot of rusty old iron. It is not fit for a modern war, but it kills when used and they do have a shitload of it. The issue is if in modern RF there is still space for a forceful recruiting of an army of slaves - Adolf Putin may have gotten that wrong too.

Slippery slope argument Haha this is a good spin, NATO playing a victim card, original! Russia is down to bare bones of RU speaking Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus. So if NATO doesn't expand to these countries right now that would be a gateway to RU taking over Ireland or Canada next!  Roll Eyes are we hoping that no one here has mental capacity to remember 2013 when UA had a pro RU president and that Transnistria has been with RU since 1990s and no one cared for that anymore than for Belarus president being the last European dictator
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Again, an historic argument that does not matter at all because you cannot get out the middle-age thinking of "this belong to Russia", "This territory was Russia when my grandad lived there..." The territories belong to the people who live in them, the fakeferendums can only create fakepublics.

Ukraine is trying to get away from the world of Tzars and Kings that held the land as a personal possession. You need to get on a time machine and get back to the XII century where your brain is. While you wait for it to be invented, you can just travel back in this thread where those arguments have been shown wrong over an over - starting by the fact that the origin of the Rus (modern Russians) is Kiev.

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Last i checked almost 1000km line of engagement still stands with RU even making some progress in some sections


You're cute when you don't have a counter argument  Tongue perhaps add a picture of burning Russian tank next time to really drive home your point?

The picture is a clear argument. Russian slave orcs are going to Moscow ... just for a coffee Boris... yes, back in no time.
1495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Massive Rallies Held across Europe on: October 12, 2022, 11:41:22 PM
Sorry to break this news to you guys, but the German chancellor just turned down an offer for Gas from Putin. On those "protests" that you mention in Europe, I would very much like to see a video of anyone saying "we want Russian Oil and Gas" -  that is, any genuine protester.

Europe is in the process of unlinking from Russians supplies. Gas is gas if it comes from Russian, Oman, the US, Argelia, Norway,... it does not matter. How does Russia intend to get a supply of electronics and manufacturing equipment, even to re-build the army?
1496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 12, 2022, 06:12:05 PM
If you like Zelensky, you'll love his request for NATO to start a nuclear war. Why does he want the nukes to fly? Because he is failing against Russia in Ukraine.

Who is this Ukraine joker, anyway... who wants world nuclear war? Doesn't he realize that any scenario he dreams up, has already been thought of in Russia and all around the world?

How about the scenario where Russia fails to kill him, fails to take Kiev, gets their main battleship Sunk, Crimean bridge blown up, and after a bunch of other embarrassments finds itself on defense losing territory they thought they had secured last for good last spring, and now forced to mobilize 9 months after starting the thing they thought wouldn't even be a war by invading Ukraine .  You think Putin thought of that scenario?  Doesn't seem like it.


Putin was obviously wrong when he calculated that Biden won't risk nuclear war similar to Khruschev over Cuba missiles.
He also calculated that EU is not such vassal state to USA.

He seems intent to recalculate and fix his errors

And there we go to the same baseline: if Adolf Putin invades Ukraine is not his fault, it is the dark powers of the capitalism that forced him. If he speaks of using the nuclear capacity, it is not his fault, it is somehow Biden's, if he throws nearly 80 missiles in a day is not his fault, it is because he is forced to and so on.

This is becoming ridiculous.
1497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 12, 2022, 08:50:39 AM
At the risk of "whatabouting", think of the protest in Iran. Police do kill protesters, and not by chance or when things get out of control, they do kill them by the hundreds and those arrested get badly beaten, again not just one or two cases, but as an official method of control and punishment without trial. Why do you think the women there are risking death when protesting? Why do you think they would rather risk dying than living under the Ayatollahs?  If you find the answer, you will be one step closer to understanding Ukraine.
Because they were paid from the funds of the US State Department, like you when you jumped on the Maidan? Grin

The riots in Iran followed exactly the patterns of color revolutions, and enough about that here.

Getting paid does not hold you in your position when things get hard. You may ask your slave army about it, they understand that money does not solve everything.

If you do not know where to find them, they are in the road to Moscow.



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Sure, is a strongly worded condemnation, and another batch of sanctions against Putin's dogs would be any less devastating than any previous devastating batches of sanctions?
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"Devastating" does not stand for "sanctions" on this case, but something much worse. That is clear to anyone.

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Sure, powers will always want to expand their spheres of influence, Russia might want Mexico but just like US wanting Ukraine, doesn't mean they should get it. (And that's the reason why China's claims on Taiwan are inevitable and only a function of time. No first world power would tolerate 2nd world power in their backyard from across the globe [see Cuba]) And if Russia is depleting they military reserves by sending them to Mexico i'd be in here arguing that Russia has no business using Mexico as their proxy, and you can be sure that US would be talking about nukes 24/7 [again see Cuba] . As far as i'm aware there are no regions in Poland where majority speak Russian language and consistently votes for pro-Putin president. Now if there were (widely accepted) elections and a pro Russian president would be elected, only to be removed in a coup with US freedom cookies, than things might be different. But as usual you're conveniently trying to compare UA to a NATO country. Pretty sure EU would be ecstatic to see things go back as they were in 2013, growing GDP, high and improving standards of living, fast-track visas with Russia with discussion of visa-free entries, access to cheap Russian resources which lets them stay competitive with China/India/US, and discussions about expanding RU resource deliveries and approving NordStream2 securing competitiveness for years to come doesn't sound like too bad of the outcome? Surely you must realize the reason for all those guaranteed buy back clauses when companies leave Russia always have to leave the door open, just in case  Wink
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Again, playing the saloon geo-strategist - the problem being that this should not be about the ruling elites of RF or US wanting a land grab, but about the future of Ukrainians. Based on the historic attitude of Russia towards anyone that is not Russia and their use an abuse of Ukraine (Chernobyl, Holodomor, burnt land tactics,...), they are better governing themselves, despite having plenty of things to solve.

Of course companies will go back to the RF if they can, once sanctions are lifted and the war ends. What would need to happen for the sanctions to be lifted and the war ended? I will leave it there for you.
1498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 11, 2022, 10:54:43 PM

Curious you could not find a better pic. What I see there is one protester being arrested while 50 people in the background film it.

An seriously speaking, protesting in most developed countries is widely admitted - not if it carries violence. We have all seen people arrested in the Red Square for holding a white sheet of paper.

Its not a problem to find a video, thousands of it actually...i just put pic instead because
forum cant properly embed video (for people lazy to click). Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf5vpzMIgyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp2b9Qo88UI


That's what the police force was created for, to squash labour protests and to chase down run away slaves.


The police original purpose is to allow the rule of law, this includes preventing riots and protest that turn into violent mobs or riots - that would be something unsustainable for any society. If you argue that they overstep, I agree. If you are saying that the police in totalitarian regimes have the same response and accountability that in country with rule of law, that is not true.

At the risk of "whatabouting", think of the protest in Iran. Police do kill protesters, and not by chance or when things get out of control, they do kill them by the hundreds and those arrested get badly beaten, again not just one or two cases, but as an official method of control and punishment without trial. Why do you think the women there are risking death when protesting? Why do you think they would rather risk dying than living under the Ayatollahs?  If you find the answer, you will be one step closer to understanding Ukraine.
1499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 11, 2022, 08:58:25 AM
From all what is happening in Russia, what are the citizens saying about the current happenings Huh Why cant they put down Mr X and all this will be history, because millions of people have been displaced, thousands injured and hundeds killed, all this all because of selfish desires by a few individuals. The world is bigger than one man or should i say a few individuals! Peace and Love must win this fight.

A vast majority really supports Putin, the rest is scared of the consequences of not supporting him.

Some brave and smarter ones already left the country.

As Putin continues to target civilian infrastructure to appease his fervent supporters, leaders of civilized countries will distance themselves
from him.

Only terrorists would talk to this gnome during the G20 meeting next month.



A vast majority copes with Putin the best they can. Those who cannot longer cope and have good skills leave the country.

The supporters of Putin are those who benefit from the regime the most: Military in the high ranks that benefit from taking their cuts (a reason why most of the claims about size and performance of their army are wrong) and some of the secret services, which take their cuts from informants and live a good life.

All other citizens mean nothing.





They are protesting but in Russia they have special police trained to fight protesters and these guys are brutal. They don't care if you're a woman or a child, everybody gets hit with batons and sprayed with tear gas the same way and then they drag you to a prison transport and you don't get a phone call to family like in the US, or a hot meal. More likely they'll make you take your clothes off and leave you naked for the night or come back in a few hours to beat you. You don't get to experience this in "normal" countries. You need big balls to be an anti government protester in Russia or Belarus.



Thank God, similar policemen in the West give protesters donuts and coffee, and spread love and peace
among protesters



Russia is terrorist state and now Putin aren't even trying to hide it. He admited that today Russia attacked energy and communication infrastructure in most of cities of Ukraine which left people without electricity and water:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-moscow-will-respond-forcefully-ukrainian-attacks-2022-10-10/
And like usual, these ''high precision'' missiles hit apartment buildings, pedestrian bridge, parks, children playgrounds and street:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63199721 Military objects they say.

So they applied "Shock and awe"? And whose invention was that?

Curious you could not find a better pic. What I see there is one protester being arrested while 50 people in the background film it.

An seriously speaking, protesting in most developed countries is widely admitted - not if it carries violence. We have all seen people arrested in the Red Square for holding a white sheet of paper.
1500  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 10, 2022, 10:50:05 PM
...In a nuclear war there is no winner. The first strike is guaranteed to be followed by a response (it could even not be a nuke, but certainly proportional and devastating)... and from there nobody knows...


Can we stop pretending that instead of protecting its members NATO countries signed up to start a nuclear Armageddon for any tactical nuclear blast in any country around the globe? I realize that that's what UA has been desperately asking for but literally no NATO general or leader of ANY NATO country agreed to anything close to that. That's not how article 5 works

RU nuke attack in UA != RU nuke attack on NATO

Edit: I'm not saying RU should nuke UA, and i'm against all nuke attacks, but distinction must be made

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False, a response to a nuclear attack does not necessarily have to be nuclear, that has been stated over an over. It has been described as "devastating" but most likely conventional. The ICBMs are not the only nuclear option and the nuclear response is not only not the only option, it is not even the best to achieve a deterrent for tactical nukes from Russia. Do you know that the tactical nuke arsenal in US is barely 200 units, like 10 times less than RF's?

At the risk of repeating myself, I am going to quote my post. Notice that it is PREVIOUS to the Kerch bridge being destroyed.


The scenarios being considered are not around the ICBMs,
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Please notice that "effective" and "efficient" in this context means that they can blast expensive and critical target with precision and certainty.

I am sure you can add 1+1
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