It's not THAT bad, is it?
Not anymore  . |
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He didn't care about laws, when he made it, didn't care about laws when he sold it, but now he their money he cares. Not buying it, sorry.
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Lol! So you guys went into this knowing he had control of the company and then you all (well theymos) got upset when he wanted to move in a different direction?
I'm not sure why you think he controls the company when he only owns ~24% of the shares. That's the whole point, he did this without the consent of the shareholders, the real owners. The fact that he can do it just because he has physical access to the server doesn't mean he has the right to. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can keep making a thousand hypothetical excuses for him and speculating on this or that, but unfortunately some of us have to deal with fact. |
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I also do not understand why when I ask them to explain why I only get insulted Because I did explain, almost two weeks ago. Like I said, I'm not going to explain myself over and over just because you don't like the answer, and not doing so doesn't make me wrong, just means I find repeating myself annoying. At some point we just have to agree to disagree. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1258773#msg1258773 |
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Wow, double payments, what a mess. I'm genuinely sorry for the people involved in this.
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If I am wrong then you will have no problem explaining why you gave Nefario a scammers tag. If you will not explain then we will have to assume I am right or you can not defend your actions because you did wrong.
GLBSE is still operating, all Nefario has done is delist even more assets. You did not give him a scammers tag for delisting my assets, why did you do it for delisting the other 90%?
I would like to understand this if I am wrong cuz many people have lost a lot of trust in you, theymos and the forum over this...
That's fine, I have nothing to hide. I said I was undecided on that particular issue, and I need to be sure before applying the tag. I know you aren't really interested in facts or what I actually said though, so I won't bother . For the readers, I would advise you to take Goat's posts with a pinch pound of salt. |
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Goat, I agree completely. You guys haven't seen this, but I've been very vocal about this behind-the-scenes ever since the tag was applied, with almost the same arguments. I was hoping that BadBear would listen, but at this point I need to start protecting my reputation by letting you guys know my position.
Are you sure you agree with Goat? As far as you've said you think Nefario doesn't deserve a scammer tag at all. Goat thinks he does, just not for the same reasons I do, which is fine. There may be other reasons for Nefario to have a scammer tag but since he already has one it's largely academic at this point. Also, are you sure you have no conflict of interest here? I'm beginning to wish I hadn't been so quick to dismiss claims of you conspiring with Nefario earlier. Given things I have found out about others, I'm beginning to wonder if there's things about you we don't know. I do get the feeling that you're trying to protect something, but I don't think it's your reputation. You ruined your own reputation when you tried to force goat to take illegal actions in order to avoid getting a scammer tag (so Nefario wouldn't get it). Coercing someone to take illegal actions in order to protect Nefario is pretty scummy, and I'm glad others called you out on it before I had to step in, and also threatening to ban Goat for lying (when you didn't even know if he was). Then after you bowed out, you tried to secretly insert yourself back into the process for the sole and only purpose of denying the tag. Not even to give it out, just to deny it. And I turned you down saying it would look fishy, and it looks fishy that you even tried. Protecting your reputation as a "scammer investigator"  . You once tried to threaten someone with a scammer tag for saying he slept with Pirate's sister as a joke. I'm glad theymos doesn't trust you enough to apply tags yourself, that looks to have been a good call on his part. Honestly I think you and Theymos are up for a scammers investigation for the misuse of the scammer tag.... Doing what is right for the wrong reasons is BS... You said Nefario had the right to delist any asset he wanted to and all he did was exactly what you said he could (delist all assets)! Why did he get the tag again?? What a fucking joke... That's fine, I have nothing to hide. I said I was undecided on that particular issue, and I need to be sure before applying the tag. I know you aren't really interested in facts or what I actually said though, so I won't bother . For the readers, I would advise you to take Goat's posts with a pinch pound of salt. |
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Goat, I agree completely. You guys haven't seen this, but I've been very vocal about this behind-the-scenes ever since the tag was applied, with almost the same arguments. I was hoping that BadBear would listen, but at this point I need to start protecting my reputation by letting you guys know my position.
Are you sure you agree with Goat? As far as you've said you think Nefario doesn't deserve a scammer tag at all. Goat thinks he does, just not for the same reasons I do, which is fine. There may be other reasons for Nefario to have a scammer tag but since he already has one it's largely academic at this point. Also, are you sure you have no conflict of interest here? I'm beginning to wish I hadn't been so quick to dismiss claims of you conspiring with Nefario earlier. Given things I have found out about others, I'm beginning to wonder if there's things about you we don't know. I do get the feeling that you're trying to protect something by trying to pressure me into removing the tag, but I don't think it's your reputation. You ruined your own reputation when you tried to force goat to take illegal actions in order to avoid getting a scammer tag (so Nefario wouldn't get it). Coercing someone to take illegal actions in order to protect Nefario is pretty scummy, and I'm glad others called you out on it before I had to step in, and also threatening to ban Goat for lying (when you didn't even know if he was). Then after you bowed out, you tried to secretly insert yourself back into the process for the sole and only purpose of denying the tag. Not even to give it out, just to deny it. And I turned you down saying it would look fishy, and it looks fishy that you even tried. Protecting your reputation as a "scammer investigator" . You once tried to threaten someone with a scammer tag for saying he slept with Pirate's sister as a joke. I'm glad theymos doesn't trust you enough to apply tags yourself, that looks to have been a good call on his part. |
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I hate to set arbitrary rules just because of a few people abusing the system, but no more spamming the threads with referrals, it's annoying to see people constantly spamming/bumping the thread in an endless race to be the last poster. I warned a few people already, and bans have been handed out for the worst offenders who chose to ignore the warnings. It's either this or ditch the threads entirely.
One post per page from now on. Edit your post if your links change.
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Staff/mods can't merge threads.
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I have already stated I am not a newbie here, however I do have to hide my identity or face moderator retribution like Rarity. He was trolling all over the place and definitely needed to be banned. Due to my conflict of interest, I didn't ban Rarity unilaterally; I waited for a global moderator to request the ban. You are not a credible source of information to defend accusations of conflict of interest against yourself. Rarity's posting style has not changed at all over the long time she has been here. All of a sudden when her criticism landed on you, however, it became "trolling" and banworthy. It doesn't pass the smell test. Post some examples of "trolling" from Rarity, because it always seemed to me that people just got upset that she posted counterpoints to a lot of the dogma taken for granted around here and people weren't able to put up with it. Rarity had a strong tendency to derail threads, I've warned her privately myself in the past, so saying it's been acceptable up until now isn't true. The arguments raised were almost always ideological or philosophical in nature and rarely contributed toward the actual topic. Once people finally started ignoring her she switched tactics to "Regulation is good and would have stopped all this!". That's not raising good counterpoints, that's derailing threads and detracting from the real issues that are important and should be discussed. In what thread are you asserting all this has occurred? Post examples. Where did Rarity derail a thread to talk about philosophy or ideology? It seems like you are just spinning and speaking in generalities because you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar banning Rarity for questioning a moderator here. The face is Rarity was never banned until this moment, so show us the posts that caused it. I don't see any recent post where your quote about regulation comes from. She never posted the words you attribute to her. Do you think lying about what has happened is helping your case? So you've only looked at Rarity's recent posts, have no idea what I'm talking about, but feel knowledgeable enough about the situation to make this thread then call me a liar? Seems likely. If you were being a bit more reasonable I'd help you out, but since you're being a dick and obviously don't really want an explanation I'll ignore you instead, I have better things to do. Good luck with your whole thing here though. |
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And Atlas doesn't?
Yes he does. You're barking up the wrong tree there, I'm the one who requested his last ban, which theymos lifted a few weeks ago at his own discretion. My opinion on that isn't really a secret, don't want to derail the thread though. Can't really blame theymos for giving him another chance I guess, at least he seems to be trying and accepting advice. |
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I have already stated I am not a newbie here, however I do have to hide my identity or face moderator retribution like Rarity. He was trolling all over the place and definitely needed to be banned. Due to my conflict of interest, I didn't ban Rarity unilaterally; I waited for a global moderator to request the ban. You are not a credible source of information to defend accusations of conflict of interest against yourself. Rarity's posting style has not changed at all over the long time she has been here. All of a sudden when her criticism landed on you, however, it became "trolling" and banworthy. It doesn't pass the smell test. Post some examples of "trolling" from Rarity, because it always seemed to me that people just got upset that she posted counterpoints to a lot of the dogma taken for granted around here and people weren't able to put up with it. Rarity had a strong tendency to derail threads, I've warned her privately myself in the past, so saying it's been acceptable up until now isn't true. The arguments raised were almost always ideological or philosophical in nature and rarely contributed toward the actual topic. Once people finally started ignoring her she switched tactics to "Regulation is good and would have stopped all this!". That's not raising good counterpoints, that's derailing threads and detracting from the real issues that are important and should be discussed. |
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Lol yeah, that's mine, got tired of seeing so many pyramining threads bumped constantly with (mostly) the same users spamming referral links. I tried warning/talking to them but it didn't help.
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This is bitcointalk. You only get a scammer tag weeks after you've already run with the money and are never coming back.
Also, moderators were in on Nefario's scam, so you can bet that he'll never get hit with a scammer tag. This place is great proof that even in a "Free Market", the corrupt will rise to the top and use their power to benefit themselves at the cost of the health of the community.
You're way behind on your conspiracy theories, do try and keep up. Theymos and badbear gave Nefario the scammers tag because Nefario hurt the share price of GLBSE despite Theymos losing the vote to remove Nefario as CEO. Theymos lost the vote, and while the shareholders meeting was still going on Theymos called Nefario a scammer to get leverage. Neferio did not back down and so far Theymos has not either. In this case the scammers tag is just being used as leverage but has caused significant damage to the forum and to all involved. What is kinda funny is that now by giving the tag to Nefario Theymos opened it up to himself getting the tag as he is now claiming no responsibility for the actions of his company despite the contract Theymos agreed to says that he will. Either Theymos is ignorant or a scammer. He holds a large amount of GLBSE coin and some of the coin is owed to me. I do wonder how this will get resolved. Thanks for getting him caught up . |
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This is bitcointalk. You only get a scammer tag weeks after you've already run with the money and are never coming back.
Also, moderators were in on Nefario's scam, so you can bet that he'll never get hit with a scammer tag. This place is great proof that even in a "Free Market", the corrupt will rise to the top and use their power to benefit themselves at the cost of the health of the community.
You're way behind on your conspiracy theories, do try and keep up. |
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I'm disappointed. You're wrong on your judgment.
You cannot be liable for something you're forced to do.
I'm disappointed that you're taking assumptions/rumors as facts. I'm acting based on what he said and did. Anything else is speculation. |
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I'm not calling him a scammer because he sold shares. I'm calling him a scammer because he sold shares, then after getting their money, said "Sorry I'm worried about laws!", and just shut the business down in breach of contract and hasn't returned their investment. That's fraud, plain and simple.
Did you actually see the contract? Yes. Even regardless of what it says, law always supersedes contractual obligations. If Nefario had to close GLBSE to comply with common law, then tough luck for his shareholders, it was a known business risk, had they done their due diligence and applied common sense, they should have known what they bought would sooner or later become worthless. Maybe they gambled on it being "later" and getting a ROI before then (like, after selling their shares), but it was their risk and at least Theymos can not claim he wasnt aware of it.
Sure shareholders should have done their due diligence, but that doesn't let Nefario off the hook. Nefario also has a duty to due diligence since he was the one soliciting investments and selling shares in the company. Nefario harmed others, shareholders only harmed themselves. |
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Plus if he unilaterally shut it down without providing a proper reason or considering alternatives (did he he have the option of resigning from the company and returning his shares?) then I'd likely see it as a scam.
That's exactly what he did. He also stated he would refuse to honor a shareholder vote to remove him as CEO. He actively screwed shareholders every way he could. |
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You are so biased in this matter it is absurd. Nefario's obligation to the law overrides his obligation to bow to the wishes of Theymos to maintain an ongoing illegal activity.
He wasn't so worried about his obligation to the law when he opened the business and took investors money. |
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