Nice ranks, easy and straight forward.
Are there many outed scammers who dare to still post?
A couple yes, attention whores or people who like to play the martyr. Terry Tibbs was all right though. Paid his dents eventually.
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Once Nefario used his position of authority to act in a certain way, all the people harmed by his failure to act in the same way in the same circumstances had a legitimate claim against him. This isn't me making shit up, this is 500 years of established equitable practice at common law and possibly more than 500 years in the civil system. You might not know about this, even if it's basic and well known in the legal profession; it's obscure from a public PoV, and I guess nobody told you to go to law school first if you want to be a mod on some forum. However, you must know socially someone who actually is a solicitor/barrister/etc. Ask them.
Being realistic, if there's a situation that requires legal advice to make a decision, I'd rather stay out of it. 99% of the people here (definitely including myself here) are unqualified for that, and the other 1% probably have better things to do with their time or are unqualified in other ways. "Those with knowledge that does not even scratch the surface of the issue and talk and promote their opinions as if they know it all are the most destructive type. They reject or adopt policies and ideas based on incomplete or trivial knowledge of the issue at hand. But since they think they "know" all there is to know about the issue, they are very confident in their nonsense which they cover with lovely sound-bites that attracts the ears and eyes of those who do not know and are seeking knowledge."TLDR: A little knowledge is far worse than none.I don't want to be that guy. A little knowledge of that particular law doesn't make me qualified to make a judgement or ruin someone's reputation over it. I only give/recommend scammer tag in cases where I can be absolutely certain there is guilt. To paraphrase another quote, I'd rather let 10 scammers walk away than one innocent person receive a scammer tag. I don't take it lightly, your reputation and your name is all anyone has here.
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As for Goats issue, I can see why Nefario wouldn't send him the bitcoins if the address was altered in any way, even if it was "just" a space. And putting his email entirely within quotes was odd and uncharacteristic of usual communications, and would send up red flags for me too. That is really not fair. You're making inferences and speculation in favor of Nefario, effectively rewarding him for his silence. It's not fair to expect Goat, or anyone else, to refute every argument Nefario might hypothetically make while Nefario gets to see which arguments Goat can and cannot disprove before he has to take any position. That just makes it too easy to lie. ("What if Nefario says X, can you disprove that?" "Oh, you can, what about Y?" "Oh, you can, what about Z?" "Oh, you can't?" And then five minutes later Nefario says Z.) Sure, you could perhaps speculate why Nefario might have done what he did. But I can speculate that Goat can disprove each of those speculations, should those be positions Nefario takes. You have to confine yourself to the arguments people are actually making and not expect hypothetical positions they might take to be proactively refuted by opposing parties. Not speculating, I got that from what Nefario said himself in the emails posted above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114442.msg1238231#msg1238231). It does appear to be valid concerns, but there aren't many more excuses he can use.
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I know that I'm biased, which is why I like to be told when people feel that I am. That being said, I don't care if my bias causes me to declare a guilty person innocent, only the other way around. You could even say that the previous statement is biased, and you'd be correct, except that it is very intentional.
which makes you unqualified as any sort of "judge" Theymos, you really need to find someone else for this. Everyone is biased in some way or another, and to think otherwise is naive and foolish. You can't get rid of bias anymore than you can get rid of emotion or opinion. Best way to deal with bias is recognize your bias so you can adjust your actions to compensate for it. Would you rather him lie and say he isn't? None of us have ever claimed to be unbiased, we do try our best to not let it interfere with our duties. As for the OP, Nefario isn't responsible for the actions of others. If Usagi/Diablo is a scammer, you don't blame the middleman unless you can prove he knowingly aided and abetted it. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. As for Goats issue, I can see why Nefario wouldn't send him the bitcoins if the address was altered in any way, even if it was "just" a space. And putting his email entirely within quotes was odd and uncharacteristic of usual communications, and would send up red flags for me too.
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Here we have it. Welcome to the new scrutinized Foundation users. On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…
And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately. Wow. Wonder who decided on the choice of hosting.
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Profile > Look and Layout Preferences > Check "Don't show user signatures."
Read, comprehend, post. You seem to get the order reversed quite often.
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you know, why don't you just shut the hell up. how many threads do you have to start with this BS? i think you got your point across.
hazek, as the new moderator for this Discussion thread, why are you allowing Atlas to troll like this?
Hazek agrees with me and since trolling is only defined as "I don't agree with you," I am in the clear. well, its appears so. if hazek can't distinguish btwn trolling posts and legitimate posts then maybe he needs to step down as moderator. i count 5 right here on the front page. Can't help it if you have odd definitions of trolling. Report the post and move on, Hazek isn't the only one who sees reports.
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Which bias is it? Cause there's more threads against the foundation than for it at the moment. That might be my bias, I'll admit it . But really, how many different threads do we need about it in Bitcoin Discussion? I just think it's something that interests people and inspires discussion, evident by the many many threads and posts within. Hopefully with lots of ideas and discussion we can come up with answers to difficult questions at the moment. I'm okay with having multiple threads to support different viewpoints. I'm not okay with half the threads on the first page being about it. Does where a thread should be really have to be so black and white? Really a lot of threads in Bitcoin Discussion could be classified into subforums as well. Same with Marketplace.
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You paid interest from new deposits, that's a ponzi. Just cause you didn't know what a ponzi is when you did it doesn't mean it isn't a ponzi. Even if you don't intend for it to be a ponzi, you've still crossed the line into being a ponzi. Before you were just an idiot taking on debt and paying stupid interest rates in the naive belief you'll totally be a rock star within a year. Learning to play guitar well takes far longer than a year, and will demand a minimum of 3-5 hours of practice a day, every day.
You're taking deposits, using the money for personal reasons, and paying interest from new deposits. Your interest rates are unsustainable and you're starting to get in over your head. Why would you saddle yourself with so much debt? Eventually you'll go broke trying to pay off the interest, or default and disappear. ID or not. You're renting, have admitted you have no friends, your family doesn't understand you, don't trust you enough to lend you money. What is it about you that makes you low risk again? The only thing you've ever done that I can see is play guitar badly, make a few photoshop logos, and accidentally figure out how a ponzi works. Get a clue Dank.
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[#######################---------] 78% Government integration in progress, please wait...
Oh thanks for that, that's a nice laugh after all the tension lately.
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Can anyone explain why this is?
Cheers
As far as I know you need 4 hours on this forum plus 10 post contributions on the site to break out of newbie jail! What does have to do with sending pms?
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I said once I think Scam Accusations should be renamed to Trade Disputes, I think it would fit better. I've managed to resolve several situations amicably and I don't think for a second either one of the parties was a scammer, they just needed someone to help guide them in the right direction. If I had a problem and needed help, I probably wouldn't post in Scammer Accusations just because I wouldn't want to imply someone is a scammer just because we have an issue.
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I'm not gonna read that whole thread, but gmaxwell has always been a good mod, so if he felt it was necessary to lock the thread then I believe him.
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You're right, I actually edited my post right after posting it to remove Matthew specific remarks and changed it to just focus in general. I don't want to trash talk him too bad when he can't defend himself cause I know there's more than one side to every story. I thought he was only tagged as scammer. Was he also perma-banned? Not as far as I know, I just meant that since he isn't posting these days he can't or won't.
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You're right, I actually edited my post right after posting it to remove Matthew specific remarks and changed it to just focus in general. I don't want to trash talk him too bad when he can't defend himself cause I know there's more than one side to every story.
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there is a legit user Daily Anarchist - this one is misspelled - somebody is trying to steal identity...
You're a regular Sherlock Holmes aren't you?
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You must have reasons to form such opinion, I hope, because "what's he got to lose at this point" is rather poor standard. By that standard I am scammer in the making, fully anonymous, not rich enough to scoff at free 100 BTC, and have nothing to lose by pulling quick trick and abandoning account. It just would be out of my character. But as I said, I don't know the man, and you could be as well right, just finding "nothing to lose" reasoning rather poor.
For the record, I'm not defending Matt and likable argument doesn't fly with me, I pretty much despise this hypocritical, narcissistic assclown. I was quite annoyed by the community, praising him and never passing the chance to stick tongue up his ass, and I find it funny that it had to take failed bet (money) for them to see through his bullshit.
If someone has no/bad reputation, no ties to the community, and nobody to vouch, then yes they absolutely are someone you should be careful of dealing with, and possibly a potential scammer. I wouldn't trust some faceless guy walking down the street, why should I trust someone I only know on the internet? I may not distrust them, but I don't trust them either. Certainly not gonna give them cash and send them on their way. I usually use escrow, even when selling. Customers have no reason to trust me either if they don't know me, and I understand and accept that.
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Buying silence goes against everything I believe in. We wouldn't be were we are if it weren't for critical people.
This board was build on free speech and at present that is needed more than before: shady businesses are thriving here. People have to be warned for that any way possible.
In this particular case: Bob is right for speaking up and warning people of Usagi and his "investment" funds.
I agree. I don't think it's the forum's place to enforce such a contract, or punish based on them. Regardless of whatever agreement someone may have, I still feel that people have the fundamental right to express themselves, and I'm not going to take that away on the whims of Usagi or whoever the next person is that tries this. Personally, I will choose not to moderate such requests.
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There is a warning when posting in old threads. Well kind of, if the last reply was more three months there's a warning, once it's been bumped there's no warning.
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