When i see people that have supported bb and are recognised posters getting told NO and unknown low level accounts getting YES i think there is cause for concern.
you realise someone can be a byteball supporter and a genuinely mediocre poster at the same time, right? i've no idea how this guy operates but it's not his job to get sentimental about past affiliations. That's the least of my concern. |
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Thank you. Most helpful indeed. |
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This thread looks interesting.
I will be updating here from time to time my finds after a more thorough investigation.
Associating your project with anyone who is found to be acting in a dubious way can cast shadow over your entire project so please consider this carefully before hiring.
I'm hoping to find that there is no area for concern with this sig campaign manager but of course life is full of disappointments.
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What was his personal negotiated fee for this campaign? i am guessing this unprofessional weasel does not work/scam for free. He must have agreed a fee with you in the outset. What are his terms? i am guessing it is performance based. You do realise that this sig campaign is part of the distribution process and that now is under scrutiny? You do realise giving some unprofessional imbecile no criteria for those that can enter the sig campaign and leaving it to "his own personal choice" is leaving the distributional process wide open to scamming and manipulation. He should have a set of criteria and those that meet that criteria are accepted on a first come first served basis. Otherwise it leave the entire thing open to scamming and kick backs. This goes for all projects and I will be voicing concerns about yahoo weasel to any project I notice considering using his service. If they do not take heed of such warning then the project become suspect. That includes byteball. When i see people that have supported bb and are recognised posters getting told NO and unknown low level accounts getting YES i think there is cause for concern. |
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There will be near to 100 slots for this campaign. We are very close now. Will be adding a few more users tonight. I wanted to touch on a few issues that i'm reading in this thread. Obviously I am seeing users who are not accepting decisions very easily. The users that are selected are at my discretion. If Tony wants a certain user added, he is free to message me and we can work that is at out. Otherwise it is MY DECISION. I don't normally give a response to everyone who was passed over for the simple fact that I would be answering those inquiries for weeks on end per campaign. Everyone who is denied is generally in 1 of these categories. 1. Not an active poster 2. Alt account found on the alt list located in the reputation section. 3. Shitposter 4. Spammer or burstposter 5. uses account for giveaway claims and twitter claims only. I will explain examples of 2 users who have applied in this campaign. Here is 5 of majestymages posts on the 1st page of his posts profile. A whole ton of 1 liner trash. he has been active 6 whole days of the month march 3rd 4th 7th 19th 23rd 24th  Then User boombooms activity just on the 1st page of his posts goes feb 10th, then a 2 week break and he posts on feb 25th, then another 2 week + break and posts march 12, then a few posts on mar 14th, 2 posts on the 19th, 1 post on 21st and now active a lil whining in byteball thread I'd like to think i'm doing my job just fine I have been doing this for awhile I dont make any damn money hiring users who arent going to qualify weekly so of course im looking for active accounts in order to make the job worth it for me. I'm not trying to just be a dick to everyone. I am trying to pick the most active people period. I don't know who has or has not been a faithful byteball supporter the whole way. I only pay attention to projects when I am working on them. If you or your account was active and posting well, you'd have been selected. Don't go shouting out complaints that are your own faults. A few slots remain. I have updated the sheet with a few more users. Some of those users post counts were edited from what was in the application.Your decision needs to be based upon solid transparent criteria and then after that those that comply are on a first come first served basis. Also when taking on a signature campaign like this one that is not at the outset of the project they special consideration should be given to proven long term community memebers who have extra incentive to see the project succeed and not just dump the coins. I would have a full transparent explanation of my own personal account being refused acceptance here in public so that I may examine it. It is simple you do not get to pick and choose it is a first come first served basis as long as the transparent criteria is met. Otherwise the entire distribution is open to scamming. Who is to say you do not own some of the accounts you accept, who is to say they are not paying you kick backs etc etc. It simply HAS to be first come first served and if criteria is met they get accepted. I would like a full professional response to my posts asap. There is no room for picking and choosing outside of a set criteria. As i have said it is part of the distribution process and therefore having it open to your sole picking and choosing means that the distribution is fully open to scamming and manipulation. I hope you are grasping the gravity of saying you get to pick and choose with no open and transparent criteria. Too add to this I have NEVER been over looked for a signature campaign period so there is certainly something strange/dubious about your selection process. Too add to this I would ask others who have GENUINE concerns for being over looked here to come forward with sensible verifiable argument as to why you should not have been over looked. I think it would make sense for a list to be compiled of accounts that fail the criteria so they need not be checked again in future, it would also make people think long and hard before even apply for sig campaigns. |
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the new road map, OP and website look awesome.
I love the detailed road map this is one of the most if not the most professional road maps I have seen.
PPl selling out bitbay at a MC of 40M are insane but thanks for more cheap bay. This is a fantastic buying opportunity once again.
Look at these dreams and talk bullshit icos in the billions.
These noob fools are getting absolutely destroyed on these projects/scams.
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all good except xrp
xrp does not deserve to be compared to those others
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No that is not true. There are many choices people have whom have been mistreated for no good reason here.
The gold award bounty manager has more to lose than any of us here.
You are not read what I say first. you can reconcile with the fact that you are not accepted in this campaign. Then you should continue and forgot this campaign. Don't waste your time. the decision was made. If there are not valid transparent reasons for his decision then this could be a scam and he could be a scammer. His reputation says something quite the opposite. It works like this.
1. Bounties now make up a considerable proportion of the minting in some cases. Therefore unfair treatment of persons during a sig campaign is unfair distribution.
2. Unfair distributional methods means the project is a scam as we know. It is not a bounty, it's a just another signature campaign. I am not sure what are you think about unfair distribution. I see in OP very clear payments rate, counting and payments day is also clearly defined. Also, regulations about posts are clear. If someone thinks that is not fair distribution or payments rate, he does not need to applicate. It is simply Until full and transparent disclosure is given for at least each hero and legend that have been rejected (and members of lower rank if they have a good post history) that looks to have a reasonable post history and even more so if they are know BB community members I will be branding this person a possible scammer. What reasons would you have to deny these persons entry? makes no sense for the project. If it makes no sense there is generally something dubious about the actions of the person. I know a lot of Hero/Legendary accounts who's bust his ranking only with a bounty report link posts(before merit system ranking). Rank is no matter if the campaign has opened slots for the lower rank members. If you find members and you have proof that they are a scammer, you are welcome to report him. The community will be grateful for your job. I will also make a full thread dedicated to these suspect decisions and will direct any projects I notice interested in his services to that thread with the full knowledge they are hiring someone who will taint their project from the offset.
Not being able to be part of bounty campaign is like not being able to mine or take part in an ico there must be clear and transparent rules for all.
I only hope Tonych will look into this before it becomes a main board issue. Yes, you need to open thread about your suspicious. a good way to see what reactions are from other members. p.s. I am not a campaign manager, just participate in byteball signature campaign. I hold also gbyte, but I think that does not condition to participate here. There is nothing personal, just friendly advice. I am leaving discussion from this thread now, but I would like to see what will other people says about your accusation if you open a dedicated thread for this "problem" regards Obviously there is a slight language barrier between us. So I will not respond to your incorrect interpretations of what I was saying in full. But to simplify the matter. 1. sig campaigns are part of the distribution process - if you do not consider sig campaigns part of the bounties that is up to you. 2. the distribution process needs to be fair - not just in terms of amounts paid but in terms of fairness to have access to partake. 3. It means nothing that he has good trust if there is clear observable demonstration of unfair treatment of person on thread for all to see. so it is simple 1 observable unfair treatment of persons to partake in distribution process .... 2 observable unfair distribution of tokens equals scam or at best unethical unfair scheme.... I will be calling on all those that feel unfairly treated to pm me and message others that feel they have a valid reason to feel unfairly treated here and let them know to contact me and post here. |
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worrying move for them.... move to other exchanges is probably advisable.
most erc20 tokens are a joke and not in a good way either.
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sensible assumption i think
ceo of facebook and google probably thinking the very same things but are accumulating right now so don;t want to mention it in public as yet.
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many people are discussing this matter "death cross". this is so bad that this does not happen and if it happens I hope the price does not go down very deeply. My prediction support is at $ 7k, $ 6k and worst $ 4k
Once death cross is happened we can see BTC even at $900 level. Ha ha ... post more often please I can't stand all this sensible reasoned and measured discussion. Where can we locate these 100k btc holders that didnt want to sell at 20k but want to dump it all at once down to cents? I would like to discuss other business opportunities with them also. |
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I have heard that one of the Apple founders, don’t remember the name, sold all his BTC coins in panic. There are different points of view exist. I agree that it is necessary to stay sober and keep holding.
One of the apple founders got robbed of btc because he does not understand the technology so i heard. |
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What's going on with the selection process here?
I'm seeing genuine Byteball fans with a posting history to back this up being left out in favour of bounty hunters who probably couldn't give two shits about Byteball and will dump their Bytes for a few satoshis.
this is a very good point. i also do not find myself on the spreadsheet. hell i even own the byteball web domain in my country and i have been left out with no reason. this is probably an issue that we should take directly with the team because there seems to not be a logical explanation for some of the people left out. hehehe..and i am the first one signing in for the campaign  ))) Seems weird to me too, not that I care much but I have been left out too and I used byteball signature for almost a year (for no reward at all) and I'm invested in byteball since it started. Also the campaign manager's price for doing this is pretty insane - at least back in august it was - when I wanted to do a signature campaign for BB and thought outsourcing is the way to go.. but then I reached out to him and got shocked at the price. For that price he should be able to verify everyone's post, every day and instantly accept those who are BB advocates since its inception. The 25 post / week to me seems excessive but if you think spamming the forum is the best way to spread BB, well kudos then but I really doubt people will have meaningful posts with such absurd minimum requirements. this is very concerning ... there needs to be legitimate reason to leave out known posters and supporters of byteball. I notice some strange choices here that I am hoping is down more to taking on too many sig bounty campaigns and not investigating thoroughly enough rather than something more worrying. I as a byteball holder would rather see these known and trusted people on the sig campaign over those that are not interested and will dump the byteball straight away. I would like to see well considered reply to these queries here else this will need further investigation on a more wide spread level. I have heard allegations of bounty managers only listing those who agree to kick backs and other such devious means. If a person is over looked or left out when they are a known poster and supporter of a project there should be in depth and complete disclosure of why that was. The selection process can not be random nor can in demonstrate any obvious unfairness. Bounties are a large part now of the minting in some cases so absolute transparency and fairness there is essential not to taint the entire project. This is a serious matter. Guys, I think you have two ways here. accept the decision of campaign manager and continue on or you can try to talk to the manager about what you need to improve to be eligible to join on his campaigns. accept his answer without hard words. I know Yahoo has to manage Byteball campaign from the beginning, and if Byteball team decide to hire them again, probably they are satisfied with his own work. Also, he manages a lot of campaign, and have a high rated reputation. It was due to some kind of work, not because of his pretty username. No that is not true. There are many choices people have whom have been mistreated for no good reason here. The gold award bounty manager has more to lose than any of us here. If there are not valid transparent reasons for his decision then this could be a scam and he could be a scammer. It works like this. 1. Bounties now make up a considerable proportion of the minting in some cases. Therefore unfair treatment of persons during a sig campaign is unfair distribution. 2. Unfair distributional methods means the project is a scam as we know. Until full and transparent disclosure is given for at least each hero and legend that have been rejected (and members of lower rank if they have a good post history) that looks to have a reasonable post history and even more so if they are know BB community members I will be branding this person a possible scammer. What reasons would you have to deny these persons entry? makes no sense for the project. If it makes no sense there is generally something dubious about the actions of the person. I will contact any project using this person and notify them of this behaviour and if they still choose to use this person I will brand their project a scam. Any sensible project that does not want to start off with the taint of a scam will avoid this this bounty manager. I will also make a full thread dedicated to these suspect decisions and will direct any projects I notice interested in his services to that thread with the full knowledge they are hiring someone who will taint their project from the offset. Not being able to be part of bounty campaign is like not being able to mine or take part in an ico there must be clear and transparent rules for all. I only hope Tonych will look into this before it becomes a main board issue. |
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About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too. It is not very large but concerning. To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50. Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters. Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35. TonyCH did you miss the posts above detailing valid concerns regarding the bounty campaign managers allocating BB rewards to noobs and low quality posters over known legends that have been supporters of BB for a long time? Are you investigating these claims?? Will you be firing this bounty manager for unprofessional conduct toward long term BB holders and supporters? not to mention the sloppy way the entire thing is being carried out? I have never seen such a crappy attempt at bounty management. Also i hear he is currently managing several other campaigns... this is making BB look even more of a disaster for confidence than the distributional mess up until this point. Ignoring glaring issues is not a great way to inspire confidence as I hope you are starting to grasp. Are you not upset that this self appointed gold medal bounty campaign manager is treating long term BB supporters like this? |
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I wonder where it was disclosed the amount that yahoo62278 got for running this campaign?
You can find it in the spreadsheet yahoo62278 uses to keep track of the participants and their payments. PS: Please guys, keep the quoting to a relevant minimum, it just clutters up the thread, and I assume nobody actually reads what has been quoted several times. Thank you. Can you direct me to where you see yahoo62278 's personal fee for conducting this sig campaign. I can't see it. Paid in BTC or BB? |
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I see already the sig bounty is turning into a cluster fuck with legitimate and known BB supporters getting annoyed and seemingly random and unfair treatment by the bounty manager there. There are many more examples that what I post here ... enough that there is no smoke without fire so i tested it out myself and I find this is not something they are making up. I have never been left out of a sig campaign ever that I applied for. What's going on with the selection process here?
I'm seeing genuine Byteball fans with a posting history to back this up being left out in favour of bounty hunters who probably couldn't give two shits about Byteball and will dump their Bytes for a few satoshis.
this is a very good point. i also do not find myself on the spreadsheet. hell i even own the byteball web domain in my country and i have been left out with no reason. this is probably an issue that we should take directly with the team because there seems to not be a logical explanation for some of the people left out. hehehe..and i am the first one signing in for the campaign ))) Seems weird to me too, not that I care much but I have been left out too and I used byteball signature for almost a year (for no reward at all) and I'm invested in byteball since it started. Also the campaign manager's price for doing this is pretty insane - at least back in august it was - when I wanted to do a signature campaign for BB and thought outsourcing is the way to go.. but then I reached out to him and got shocked at the price. For that price he should be able to verify everyone's post, every day and instantly accept those who are BB advocates since its inception. The 25 post / week to me seems excessive but if you think spamming the forum is the best way to spread BB, well kudos then but I really doubt people will have meaningful posts with such absurd minimum requirements. this is very concerning ... there needs to be legitimate reason to leave out known posters and supporters of byteball. I notice some strange choices here that I am hoping is down more to taking on too many sig bounty campaigns and not investigating thoroughly enough rather than something more worrying. I as a byteball holder would rather see these known and trusted people on the sig campaign over those that are not interested and will dump the byteball straight away. I would like to see well considered reply to these queries here else this will need further investigation on a more wide spread level. I have heard allegations of bounty managers only listing those who agree to kick backs and other such devious means. If a person is over looked or left out when they are a known poster and supporter of a project there should be in depth and complete disclosure of why that was. The selection process can not be random nor can in demonstrate any obvious unfairness. Bounties are a large part now of the minting in some cases so absolute transparency and fairness there is essential not to taint the entire project. This is a serious matter. I can only hope that this does not spread into futher tainting of the already shambles like distribution process. I hope Tony can investigate personally before this tumbles out on to the main board. I was told about this and tested it myself and was also left out. Do you not find it curious that legitimate know legend posters are held out whilst shit post spamming obvious noob accounts are permitted. This does not look like the signature campaign we want by pissing off current BB holders and giving it to noob trash to dump as soon as they get it. What will be done about this. At the least a full explanation of why these people were not allowed to take part. Else looks like a scam to me. No way would a bounty manager hold out legends and known posters over noob trash posting shit over and over unless there was some connection between the bounty manger and these noob accounts. It looks bad and it is only a matter of time before the main board sees a thread labelled more questionable distribution tactics attached to this project. There is no room for opinion here there is simply observable events suggesting there is an unfair or yet unexplained strange selection for who can get rewarded for promoting byteball and who can not. This needs further investigation at this early stage before more damage is done here. I would like to see all those that are know BB community members that have a good post history to be allowed into this campaign if they are not then there needs to be a good reason given. Not the explanation the bounty manger gave which was To all the bums crying they didn't get in, or accusing me of dumb shit. You can stop anytime. Users were not accepted due to their accounts. If you want in campaigns you need to be an active poster, with fairly constructive posts, and not be a fucking alt account or bought account. Don't come in here crying cause you weren't accepted, fix the damn problemthis is not the professionalism of a serious projects bounty manager and I would expect to see this person either fired at once or start acting more like someone you want officially associated with this project. These are for sure unfounded allegations and I would expect to see these explained and full apology especially to those who are known members of BB community long term. I see some serious issues raised here, and I say this without being personally interested in joining the campaign since I am busy with another one. But I think it is not the most clever choice to piss off so many true and proved supporters of byteball. I thought we wanted to enlarge adoption, not to shrink it. Moreover, a 25 required posts per week is again a bad move, it will force people to spam the forum with byteball's signature. More weekly posts usually translates into lower quality posts. Exactly and that is not the only issue. Any unfairness with regard any part of the distribution that is unanswerable or without reasonable justification throws doubt on the entire project. You can not hire people who are not professional it taints the project. I wonder if TonyCH will answer this. am i risking to be kicked out because i write this? i did not join a signature campaign for a while before this one. why? because i think that it is not worse to have a sig for a random shit-token-ico for some btc dust. i joined the campaign because i like BB and i think it is justifiable to have this signature. but i was already warned by the manager to "improve" my posts or i will be kicked out. and i think this is not a problem only in this campaign. sig campaign developed to a spam-machine. and my style of posting / participating in this forum does not suit signature campaigns... of course you can not be kicked out for writing an honest post on this board. If you are kicked out because of that then it demonstrates that there is a huge issue here with the sig campaign. I have NEVER seen so many complaints with a sig campaign this early on and most complaints from hero and legendary members. You all need to realise in this situation someone who has awarded themselves a gold medal sig campaign manger has a lot more to lose by a co-ordinated campaign against his methods than any one of us. All one would have to do is warn new projects using this service the person has been linked to unfair and dubious methods of distribution and they wont touch him with a barge pole. However I am hoping for his sake such actions will be avoidable and that he will simply reconsider the valid entry of well known bb supporters legends heros etc. |
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reddit = shit
totally moderated crap never use it
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cryptohunter, these are all reasonable arguments IMO. I've posted it to slack... will be interesting to see what the response is.
Thanks. Yes, I wonder where it was disclosed the amount that yahoo62278 got for running this campaign? There really needs to be a full ledger for all BB spending including bounty managers fees. The guy is either sloven and not capable of running these campaigns or is actually mismanaging these on BB on purpose. It is possible he over looked proven posters and byteball fans for noobs with nothing other than instant dumping on their minds. But to then tell them to fuck off when they ask why is completely unacceptable. I hope this can be resolved locally to this project/thread and further more serious actions are not needed. |
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I see already the sig bounty is turning into a cluster fuck with legitimate and known BB supporters getting annoyed and seemingly random and unfair treatment by the bounty manager there. There are many more examples that what I post here ... enough that there is no smoke without fire so i tested it out myself and I find this is not something they are making up. I have never been left out of a sig campaign ever that I applied for. What's going on with the selection process here?
I'm seeing genuine Byteball fans with a posting history to back this up being left out in favour of bounty hunters who probably couldn't give two shits about Byteball and will dump their Bytes for a few satoshis.
this is a very good point. i also do not find myself on the spreadsheet. hell i even own the byteball web domain in my country and i have been left out with no reason. this is probably an issue that we should take directly with the team because there seems to not be a logical explanation for some of the people left out. hehehe..and i am the first one signing in for the campaign ))) Seems weird to me too, not that I care much but I have been left out too and I used byteball signature for almost a year (for no reward at all) and I'm invested in byteball since it started. Also the campaign manager's price for doing this is pretty insane - at least back in august it was - when I wanted to do a signature campaign for BB and thought outsourcing is the way to go.. but then I reached out to him and got shocked at the price. For that price he should be able to verify everyone's post, every day and instantly accept those who are BB advocates since its inception. The 25 post / week to me seems excessive but if you think spamming the forum is the best way to spread BB, well kudos then but I really doubt people will have meaningful posts with such absurd minimum requirements. this is very concerning ... there needs to be legitimate reason to leave out known posters and supporters of byteball. I notice some strange choices here that I am hoping is down more to taking on too many sig bounty campaigns and not investigating thoroughly enough rather than something more worrying. I as a byteball holder would rather see these known and trusted people on the sig campaign over those that are not interested and will dump the byteball straight away. I would like to see well considered reply to these queries here else this will need further investigation on a more wide spread level. I have heard allegations of bounty managers only listing those who agree to kick backs and other such devious means. If a person is over looked or left out when they are a known poster and supporter of a project there should be in depth and complete disclosure of why that was. The selection process can not be random nor can in demonstrate any obvious unfairness. Bounties are a large part now of the minting in some cases so absolute transparency and fairness there is essential not to taint the entire project. This is a serious matter. I can only hope that this does not spread into futher tainting of the already shambles like distribution process. I hope Tony can investigate personally before this tumbles out on to the main board. I was told about this and tested it myself and was also left out. Do you not find it curious that legitimate know legend posters are held out whilst shit post spamming obvious noob accounts are permitted. This does not look like the signature campaign we want by pissing off current BB holders and giving it to noob trash to dump as soon as they get it. What will be done about this. At the least a full explanation of why these people were not allowed to take part. Else looks like a scam to me. No way would a bounty manager hold out legends and known posters over noob trash posting shit over and over unless there was some connection between the bounty manger and these noob accounts. It looks bad and it is only a matter of time before the main board sees a thread labelled more questionable distribution tactics attached to this project. There is no room for opinion here there is simply observable events suggesting there is an unfair or yet unexplained strange selection for who can get rewarded for promoting byteball and who can not. This needs further investigation at this early stage before more damage is done here. I would like to see all those that are know BB community members that have a good post history to be allowed into this campaign if they are not then there needs to be a good reason given. Not the explanation the bounty manger gave which was To all the bums crying they didn't get in, or accusing me of dumb shit. You can stop anytime. Users were not accepted due to their accounts. If you want in campaigns you need to be an active poster, with fairly constructive posts, and not be a fucking alt account or bought account. Don't come in here crying cause you weren't accepted, fix the damn problemthis is not the professionalism of a serious projects bounty manager and I would expect to see this person either fired at once or start acting more like someone you want officially associated with this project. These are for sure unfounded allegations and I would expect to see these explained and full apology especially to those who are known members of BB community long term. I see some serious issues raised here, and I say this without being personally interested in joining the campaign since I am busy with another one. But I think it is not the most clever choice to piss off so many true and proved supporters of byteball. I thought we wanted to enlarge adoption, not to shrink it. Moreover, a 25 required posts per week is again a bad move, it will force people to spam the forum with byteball's signature. More weekly posts usually translates into lower quality posts. Exactly and that is not the only issue. Any unfairness with regard any part of the distribution that is unanswerable or without reasonable justification throws doubt on the entire project. You can not hire people who are not professional it taints the project. I wonder if TonyCH will answer this. |
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