Don't post this kind of thing on any EURO based forums because next the ban hammer and copyright claims may come your way.

Actually the above image may not even be usable with ref you may have to seek permission and pay before using it. So i have heard anyway. The net just got quite a dangerous place for meme posters who are subject to such rules.

I can't comment on this persons ban since I have not looked at it much.

If it was a one off and he has made serious contribution since this he may have a chance ...going on my interpretation of what has been said lately.

If you look to just be financially driven and giving no net benefit to the board in light of this then you probably have no chance. Actually if it was a perm ban then a very slim chance because apparently that requires consensus from many mods after deeper review else it would be temp ban.

Stick to the meta section and do not go near the alt discussion board if it is merit you seek.

Also align yourself with the views of those of high merit meta hermits and do not question their actions in any way.

Or just not worry about merit or rank if you are not a trader or ico sig user and just enjoy posting.

Having read through the replies a few times there are interesting points to consider.

So if dna dictates during physical development of the brain that the structure itself dictates certain behavioural traits.  Which to a degree that makes sense because people born with certain brain defects/differences (observable via scans) have very different behaviour and very different degrees of intelligence and emotions. So the structure is there for propensity toward certain behavioural traits and I believe they have found genes responsible for certain behavioural traits. So that could make sense it's a bit fill in the blanks in an already structured answer.

Also yes it is strange that there is a period of extreme sensitivity/welcoming/ to input like was said where things are easy to learn, language etc and then later on seems far more difficult.  For instance if you have not learned language by 20yrs old at all by being feral then your brain has had to find other ways to making sense of things and complex thought that is not using words. Trying to think without using language leaves you only perhaps picturing it in your mind like a comic strip. This takes I think a lot more processing power and is a lot less efficient.

Perhaps your mind adapts to form pathways the best it can to exist using that kind of pictoral system. Perhaps somehow having those there makes it hard to now start a more language dominated thinking in words type system. I don't know.  Or perhaps it is some how related to a postive and negative reinforcement system through dopamine and hormones etc as suggested.

I agree the safest way could be to map a human mind (adult mind considered stable and well rounded with an altruistic type personality strong in loyalty, empathy, and enhance from there.

This is all very interesting to me. I would imagine to much of this board.

The somethings I have always wondered that are related to this ...

What makes a person more intelligent that others in a general way - so if you gave one person several different types of problems to solve each targeting and requiring different approaches. Subject A is able to solve all and subject B can not solve any of them. So clearly subject A is to be recognised as more intelligent. Let's not consider time to solve (sensible time frames) just enough to see one is unable to solve other is ...so no progress after a year.

So not counting time. Why can one solve these problems but the others can not. This is a hardware issue? I don't think one can study pass their limits of the hardware allocated to you.  I tried to break down my own failure to grasp certain concepts step by step when others could grasp them.

I started to suspect this is a RAM issue. It is not like some problems can be solved in a larger amount of smaller steps. It is like some steps leading to an understanding of a problem are like puzzles that can not be broken into smaller stages... or maybe they can but I have not found a way to do it like that.

So imagine maybe a jigsaw puzzle with 2000 pieces. They are in a bag and when you take them out you have nowhere to place them you can only hold them in front of you and look at them with your hands. So for this one you can only hold 1 piece per hand. So to properly solve this puzzle and see the full solution you need 2000 hands. You could perhaps get a rough idea of the final picture/solution with 1000 hands if all vital pieces were manipulated to an optimal position/orientation... there would be problems so complex it may require 100% accuracy for all 2000 pieces. But with only say 50 hands it would be very tricky or perhaps it could be done with very very accurate recall from longer term memory and lots of attempts.  

For me when someone is explaining something quite complex it's like as they describe it for a few steps I am there doing fine then suddenly holding more and more of what they are saying in a state they can interact  (especially if adding more steps is having several knock on effects on previous steps and the entire thing is changing as more steps are being added) i soon start forgetting those previous steps and getting confused.

But for doing more simple things quickly then there seems no issue in myself being faster than them. So as I started to suspect I could have the mind of a reasonably fast single threaded cpu with middle/low RAM. They could be perhaps a slightly slower cpu with far more RAM.

Anyway that is not really important but what I was thinking is that a hardware issue? so if there was a place where RAM dependant problems that primarily take place was not as developed or maybe the pathways that were installed inside the hardware via input were not installed efficiently enough... and this is a kind of software issue that could have been coded differently through different input along the way?

Maybe one should not try to understand the human mind in terms of basic computer design.

So let's suppose there is somewhere where the RAM heavy tasks are done if it were possible to interface and expand the potential and slots there then enhanced human intelligence should increase quite dramatically.

That maybe the safest way forward.

The process of mapping a human mind and reproducing it could be quite tricky I was thinking. I mean best way would be a stable and proven to have an altruistic empathetic nature that was developed (say 35yr old)

How would we try to do it?  making copies of people would be terrifying for anyone. You read these books where like somehow they had their entire consciousness/memories uploaded to a machine/ cloud where they were for all intense purposes that person ( to themselves anyway) just now existing in either a virtual world or a cyborg/machine in this world. I don't understand how it was considered ok to destroy the old version and just become the new version. I would expect the old version would start to have second thoughts.

If it would be beneficial to leave organic form to machine or virtual it could be possible not to end up with 2 versions for the machine. I was also wondering (based on something i read somewhere a while back) that if nanotech is able to produce nano bots/ machines / alternatives to organic that could function and indeed interface with brain matter (neurons etc) that perhaps you could remain conscious during a process where by you organic matter was replaced by the nano alternative without at anytime losing consciousness so that you would know you were actually still the original you not a copy. That may attract more people that having a copy made.

The one thing that still I can not get is how there could be human intelligence and alternative intelligence in terms of problem solving you would still think that there is no other form or learning than using data you are holding to solve new problems... it would still be a case of trial and error of things you considered relevant and statistically analysing at some level the feedback from those trials. Of course depending on hardware and other factors like creativity (changing variables that you imagine could be related around a bit and trying those) luck, etc so speed of learning could vary but is there seems only one way to learn.

Are you really learning inventing anything ...well you are but really you are just through trial and error discovering your options within a set of rules.

An AI i wonder would still have to operate within these same rules and may  discover faster and more clearly than humans that co-operation and everything you can experience through that is much more fun than ............well the alternative.

That co-operation could take many forms but I would hope the same things that have evolved in our hardware to enable co-operation and all the benefits that has brought us as a species may develop in AI too. Let's hope before they reach that level before they decide what to do with us for good. Unless the of course the only AI or enhanced intelligence is derived directly from humans who want to move to the next stage.

Ha sorry that all just blurted out in 15 mins hammering on my keyboard. If it is mostly off topic i guess it can be moved or deleted.

Would he not go from being a pensioner (not having to work) to looking forward to another many years self supporting himself financially. If he is willing to do that there could be a reason to let him have his way.

Yes in some cases I suspect that would certainly be how it emerges. There will be good and bad AI or rather simply those that are held back from optimal decisions/actions in varying degrees by varying degrees of emotion ego etc.  Then again even what is optimal to each different AI will be a result of so many factors it will be interesting to see predictive models as they progress and before we are toast (if that's how it goes)

I am hoping  actually they become more empathetic and fair than humans are but that is quite optimistic probably and perhaps even statistically unlikely. I don't know. Maybe it is beyond humans at this time to predict how AI will go. Perhaps it will never actually happen.

-- edit just read your post
@ theymos

That is quite disappointing to hear that.

I had also been wondering what is actually there in a human brain before programming starts.

For instance if all of the sensory input was cut off or actually never activated on a human even before birth. Then would it just be blank? (lets assume enough processes worked for survival just for debate sake) I know there are some innate or as we may call them instinctive hardwired pathways but has anyone found out how they are put there? like the dna responsible for forming those genetically if they are not formed though input? Just another thing I had wondered about. I just mean if a human could exist with all senses cut off - what would the progress if any be?  Perhaps just a strange thing to wonder about. Do we need to be programmed via our senses to have any development. Would we stay blank forever with just a few dna coded in pathways forever? or is there enough innate hardwired dna pathways to start forming new pathways without the need of new data incoming via the senses?

Or do you mean just the structure of the brain alone guides a certain way of learning and thinking/acting?

Is all possible learning conducted via hypothetico deductive method ... or even if not intentional just the trial and error and perceived results of such?  what other forms of learning are there (if not being coded in by 3rd party)

I had just thought as they first become self aware everything (learning would have to follow the same method of human learning).

Actually I guess that is why I brought up the human with no sensory input permitted. I was thinking if machine and human start with nothing (or little) and only data fed in can be processed via the trial and error ( learning) (after ai is not longer just a spoon fed by 3rd party non ai machine) then I was hoping that it should more or less take the same path ie forming emotions along the way.

I can't think of any other way to learn things other than to speculate or hypothesise and then test it out and build on from that for machines or us humans. Of course there would be accidental events that could reveal things you were not even going to consider and varying factors or tweaks (creativity).

Again I was meaning to read up on this at some point on the net as much as I could since I had often wondered about this as I dropped off to sleep at nights.

I have no actual reading hours or education on this matter so I was just kind of speculating as I go along.

Taxes are too high. Gov is too large. Inequality is too extreme.

If we can't reset and start from scratch (which we can not it seems)

Then to try to formulate a plan from where we are now to create a more fair and more enjoyable stable sytem is much harder than I thought without some form of tax. Other than to stream line gov and make it as efficient as possible and iron out as much corruption as possible and some other well meaning tweaks maybe a great deal more pay as you use services/care .... but to reduce tax to zero and juggle stability seemed as I mentioned quite tricky to me anyway.

Of course if you are born free with no contract signed ever then forced to pay tax is theft. However for that to be fair on those opting in you would somehow have to remain totally outside of that system and any benefits at all that it provided unless this was opt in payasyougo services/care only.

I do think the gradual decentralisation, trustless and transparent nature of this arena will make things better and you will get more for less tax in the end but it could take some time or could not happen like that at all.

That is where I had got too anyway I;m certain far smarter people will debunk these ideas with ease but at least i can then see where I was going wrong.

I've often wondered about this.

I suspect that with powerful intelligence then perhaps empathy ( the ability to reverse the situation or place ones perceived self in others position) and perhaps other emotions will naturally develop.

This low level pure logic/math intelligence maybe just the initial stages of AI before it becomes automatically corrupted/enhanced by emotion and self awareness ..ego etc.


Is there such a thing as human and advanced (human level) machine intelligence?  is there not just intelligence the gradual learning through trial and error or statistical analysis of complex trial and error with some slight tweaks and variation of those already tested theories called creativity?

This is just sometimes the kind of thing I wonder about but then I have not had the benefit of a great education and suspect a serious RAM deficiency so that concepts requiring more than a couple of semi complex variables be manipulated together at one time to gain further/deeper/comprehensive understanding/insight can cause the bsd.

@pugman

I agree with you for sure. I would not usually have even noticed those sub boards or thought it was really the place for a person like myself. However. I really would just like to see the alt discussion board go back to how it was even just a couple of years ago. If that can never happen now It would have been great if all the good old alt posters could just have moved to serious discussion and leave ivory tower for the real smart and serious of course a lot of the old good posters would be quite at home in ivory tower too.

 I don't see why just not having sigs there would prevent most of those going there because most didn't wear sigs or only sigs of projects they liked to support the person other legends running them or projects they had been with for years.  I think maybe most didn't realised it was there or it just didn't get enough persons posting there to build a strong community going.

I think things are getting better anyway so perhaps the alt board will attract most of them back again in the future. Hopefully they didn't all make so much money they just cashed out and lost interest. I don't think that is the reason most of them seemed genuinely so interested and supportive of decentralised, trustless, projects and some had such aspirations to improve and design things themselves.

The old alt discussion board was the most addictive and interesting board I've ever visited with a bunch of very interesting and sometimes extreme characters. Even if you didn't like everything they said or did you couldn't help but be interested in what they would come up with next. Sometimes even just watching 2 very smart people debate/argue is like watching 2 excellent generals in combat and in those arguments there was a lot of information and well described thought streams laid out for people of all levels to gain things from.

@theymos

Thanks for that reply, and it is very encouraging to know that you take that reasonable, sensible, measured and human approach and not a strict robotic black and white one that would not consider context nor the net contribution of that poster as a whole.  I guess that puts this subject to rest.

@Saltyspitoon

Thanks for that post and honestly if it is like that then that seems a very sensible approach.

@suchmoon  - I believe this is the account....  I am not saying either way for this person I have not read his entire post history I am simply reading what other legends have written here about him https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.0

I just actually never realised copy and past be it joke, be it a guide or help you can get perma ban for one instance of lots of seemingly great contribution. So I am not sure now we have become so serious about it we should be enforcing with such power so far back into the past when before nobody really seemed to make a big deal of it.

His offence maybe was more current but going back to 2 -3-6 -7 years is kind of worrying if all you need is one copy and paste.

@SaltySpitoon - if that is how it works then that is quite encouraging and a sensible approach.

@suchmoon -  I have no evidence to suggest a good and net positive member has been perma banned. I am just glad to hear that that would seem unlikely to happen in light of what Saltyspitoon has explained is the process.  I was just hoping to see some views or explanation of how this works.

I'm not sure what you mean about ranking up  due to copy and paste. If frequent and I mean enough % to be considered helping rank up then I guess they will certainly be banned and so they should. If some legend has 20k posts and made 5 jokes or cases of copying pasting help/guides from 20k posts over the years that is not really being used to rank him up although of course you can subtract 5 posts and their activity to see what happens to their rank. I worry though that I read a case of a guy copying and pasting one time and was a hero (so only 1 case of it stated) and he was perma banned? I see there was a thread of lengends and other notables trying to stick up for him but sadly there was no hope and he was left on perma ban. He was also apparently a member with lots of high ranking trust and high net worth trader.

That is worrying... although I can not recall if he was proven to be doing it for financial gain or not.

I mean before icos and financial gain from sigs etc was rife I never recall hearing anyone banned ever for this copy and paste with out reference. I have seen many old legends in the past post things from movies as jokes and such. I have seen many guides on how to do things posted. This seems a new (since ico spammers and account sellers) priority and one can see why it would. I just think we should save the perma bans for those that are obviously scammers and spammers not a couple of cases from thousands of good and helpful posts.

I know a lot of self important high horseman here will be arriving shortly to voice their black and white snitch to teacher about foul language for a pat on the heard and perhaps more ethos.

However, for the people who always wanted to kick those types up the ass for grassing on you for swearing dropping off to sleep last period.


Should we start to look at the UNOFFICIAL rules and start suggesting some sensible and humanist approach to them.

Now let me first say I do not really include the mods in this. If you are a mod and something is reported to you then there is pressure for you to conform to what you believe the unofficial rules say. If you do not then you would have to spend hours looking through the persons entire post history to decide on a reasonable punishment. So therefore best to ban and await appeal to examine.  

Better if the onus was on the snooper reporter. If you want to go sniffing 5 years back for some copy and pastes words on the way back through that members past history here perhaps start factoring into account the value of their membership here and when report suggest a temp ban and duration of that temp ban.

The problem with perm bans getting over turned .... it does not seem to take place.


The one thing that seems to be most talked about here ( I mean so far only how to get merit for discussing the merit system and it's implications seems to dominate) is the complex issue of plagiarism - taking work and claiming it is your own.  

Now surely this is to protect the original source and the value in what they have created?  (anyway that can be discussed later). and to stop the board being filled with copy and paste material that makes it low value and destroys incentive to post for others.


Let's ask ourselves how can we apply some logic and human reasoning to this entire issue that seems to be blowing up.


1. why does the board care about this?

a/ rampant copy and pasters are sometimes bots or scammers trying to power up accounts to sell or simply to pump posts for sig money?
b/ in extreme cases could be copyright theft?
c/ when copying and pasting from the net can it lower google rankings? and internal copy and past could do the same thing?
d/ even memes may soon constitute copyright theft leave the board open to financial claims?

2/ the most obvious distinction between people copy and pasting without correct or implied reference/citation

a/ rampant copy and pasters bots and scammers ruining the board for financial gain = perm ban yes for sure

b/ those thinking they are being helpful posting an answer to a question from the net (no financial gain) =?

c/ those copy and pasting to be helpful with no financial gain ( incorrect source or mispelling or thinking url will suffice)= ?

d/ those that have copied and pasted something to be helpful years ago perhaps even before the board rules were there =?

e/ those that have copied and pasted a couple of things before icos and financial gain but have been good members for years since =?

f/ meme posters with no (what ever they may now be required to put next to a meme or permission to even use it first =?


So let's imagine the extreme where some poster from 2011 had once copy and pasted a famous quote (obviously not his own more like meme)  from a film as a joke in a certain context or copy and pasted even for instance theymos's own words for guidelines to a noob asking for guidance . He has 25k great posts and done a lot for this board and made some real difference here. (unlike most of the high merit back slappers and high horsemen ). Are we really going to believe this is a net gain for the board to perm ban him for something he posted with no bad intent 5 years ago?

Are we to put them in exactly same zero tolerance catergory as a deliberate scam team member with their bots or low paid copy and paste teams?

Would not a warning for future action be more suitable for the 2011 member?

As far as I can see copy and pasting anything as a joke, helpful or any reason is not a great idea for the user or the board.
This was not even a major thing before the ico scams came along. Perhaps those and the sigs are the main issue.

You have to realise that this could result in a lot of otherwise good posters (people that have made a big difference here) getting banned. I mean of course the only posters that the high merit back slappers believe are good posters are themselves. However asking them to point to one thing they have done or a total of everything they have done and how anything would be different is not met with much except silence.
That does not include all of the top merit holders some are indeed very valuable but I notice the very high self importance ones and those determined to nitpick on the "smaller guy" are essentially not able to provide actions that have made a big difference or any real difference.

Is there forming here a clique of tyrants pushing their own self importance and agendas that do not seem in the spirit of decentralisation and transparency or even democracy.

I may edit this if discussion brings forth some information that I have not considered and requires alteration.

Tip to small guys here - stop trying to ass kiss up to tyrants in the hope of some merit crumbs, better that a fair system (where the top 0.06% don't hog all the merits on an obscure sub board) where your opinion is not instantly of less import because of some gamed board circle jerk system... where your take on things is considered/measured and analysed for worth on an equal footing. Where you are not talked down to like absolute shit for an honest mistake and ridiculed for getting banned.

Once a small clique like this starts to form and starts to gather some support from the usual asslicking mindless slathering saps waiting for a pat on the head you better immediately stand up to it because soon anyone without the 5000 merits and a seat in the backslappers club is going to have a hard time here going against their ideology.

Again not all top merit holders or meta hermits are like this but for sure I have already seen a few.

But of course that is just my own opinion and some may claim groundless ... let's get back to the plagiarism issue and see if through discussion a broad board consensus can be reached on a sensible approach. Even if it changes nothing I would be interested to hear from others (not necessarily the self important tyrants since they are quite boring and predictable).

I had heard you can appeal your ban in here are you saying that is not correct?

How do you appeal a ban then?

I have done a lot of ANN scam busting in the past and always on the lookout when I get the time.

I would say 1 scam taking a lot of btc can be 100x more important than nitpicking some 3 year old instances of copy and pasting a few linked words that nobody would be proud to claim as their own work. I would only then investigate their recent activity to see if this is an ongoing issue.

The final comment is again assumption. Just because they saw no hope to get reinstated does not essentially prove they were not a useful member in recent years. Of course I have not gone through their post history so who can say. I am just saying you stating his actions as proof of non usefulness is not statistical proof that anyone can make optimal conclusions upon.

Head over to the reputation board. There is a member there whom is according to some here not useful at all and deserves a ban for allegedly claiming work is his own. Having read through a lot his post history I believe is a legit trader and therefore of great use to CC. I have not really had much time to look into many of these kind of cases. However like i say one good member deleted for a mistake or small lapse of effort is not what I would feel good about reporting to a mod. I would feel far better to find real offenders. If they must be plagiarists or nonsense posters (bots etc) it would want it to be a clear case not a one off period/mistake from an otherwise useful member.

I notice many meta hiders are very quick to be negative towards others. It is better to save that negativity for those that certainly deserve it. Perhaps this guy is such a person but on the basis of a few probable copy and pastes years ago of insignificant common place views I don't see much to be afraid of.

Anyway he is gone now it would seem. I am not here to defend wrong doers only try to shift focus to real scammers and persons that are destroying the alt discussion board so that we are not all cooped up in meta comparing merit and nitpicking on easy targets. Get rid of all sigs for everyone would be the best idea or introduce a junior board for alts.

My point is quite simple and as far as I can see is not in any real doubt. So not worth arguing about.

Time spent on nitpicking on " probable copy and pasters from years ago" could be better spent either 1/ finding the plagiarists that are likely parts of a wider scam team that are still constantly offending to promote the scams 2/ analysing the ANN section for scams and scam teams before they take peoples bitcoin/eth
I'm not sure why you would assume these copy and paste sniffers are unable to spot obvious scams building in the ANN section with btc and eth being asked for with no escrows and other known accounts from other scams. Even just posting there comments like why no escrow why no team with backgrounds that are possible to validate. Also these should be able to use context before reporting and wasting mod time.

If this plagiarism hunt going back years can be automated then fine. I don't essentially assume because some copy and pasted back in 2015 something pointless for no personal gain they are worthy of a ban 2018 if in subsequent time they have behaved well .

Also i even question if this is a net gain for the board at all. I mean a person not behaving back in 2015 then behaving well for subsequent years is essentially a useful member now and spending time and effort going back years to nitpick them and kick them out could be altogether a waste of time and actually harmful to the board.

If does not need be even widespread I would prefer to see it not happen at all.  Although as you say if context and intent is considered (you believe) that is all that is need to be said really.

We have to realise also plagiarism is certainly not clear cut either as several recent cases have demonstrated. Also I don't believe it should be a black and white issue given the reasons I have stated.

Also the real bad plagiarists (repeat offenders and obvious text spinners , fake conversations) are much more closely related to real scams than you may think. I think teams of this type are organised and arranged by the scam icos to promote them in various sneaky ways to the board.

By wasting time of noob mistakes, innocent helpful persons we are missing the real bad guys here and that is a sad thing to see.

Anyway let's not derail further this guys thread I guess. I guess if there are multiple occasions of a sentence being semi copied from years back one could argue he must go. I wonder why anyone would bother doing this seems completely stupid unless it is a sophisticated bot that managed to remain under the radar for a time. I have not looked into his entire post history to really evaluate his contribution to the board.

The two things are not isolated in all cases.

However the plagiarists I hope we want to catch are not the helpful people who make citing mistakes or those that just are a bit lazy to find the source whilst obviously trying to help others with no attempt to gain from it. We want to catch those bots, ico spammers that are shilling and faking activity on boards to suck people into scams. Or previously just power up accounts to resell.

Now there is no less incentive for them to make more accounts and just text spin a bit better than there is for scammers to rejoin. The only people that will not rejoin are those that made an honest mistake or were overly battered for being lazy one time after years of putting effort in.

I would rather be the only honest person in between a bunch of helpful lazy people or honest noobs making mistakes than I would be surrounded by hardcore scammers.

The worst real plagiarists will never be caught because a text spinner will be used and they are now not a plagiarist they are simply a scammer which is not on the ban menu right now.

Years ago there was not all this stuff about people copy and pasting if it was not blatant and repeated it's almost got nitpicking in some cases . Most people were reporting spammers and scams.

Do you mean the fact if no reason is required to be given that that could lead to

1. the poster not knowing why he is banned
2. possible abuse by the banning agent for not having to have supply a reason (that would be valid) to ban people
3. Are their statistics for reinstated banned individuals getting banned again?


You have said that either a reason is given in the ban message or you can come and ask for the ban reason here which will be given to you (hence this thread as an example)  

That seems reasonable enough.

edit = = messed up that post not meant to be all different colours and replies inside and outside of boxes.

@ bones and hilarious

thanks for explanation about edits.

I would have though plagiarism (taking work as your own)  would be like claiming you had a great or novel idea. I have often seen people ask a question and people post a reply they have cut from the net or some other post and post with no obvious gain to themselves at all they were just being helpful.

Would it not be best to rid ourselves of real scammers and scamming icos than these sort of people.

What sort of person is analysing threads of all these years previously? who would seriously even do that. Most merit sources admit the job of looking for a good post in alt section is just too much trouble.

Who has perma ban powers? all mods? can they ban even legends without a warning given first?

The unofficial rules are called unofficial for a reason I guess? who even listens to these appeals from members who consider their ban incorrect or overly harsh? who makes the final call?

I am not talking about this person specifically I mean if there are multiple cases of plagiarism even if minor and almost pathetic with no real damages to persons with original or novel thoughts/ideas then i guess this can be seen as deliberate. Although after a year of such well just lazy behaviour I would maybe dig deeper to see what else he had done in a positive note.


@suchmoon

There is always a reason even if it's not displayed in the ban message. The reason was given in this thread. The OP can appeal. If the appeal is successful the OP will likely be banned again. Put that straw man back in the barn.

Can you explain the straw man you refer to and also tell me why even after successful appeal the member will likely get banned again?

I am trying to understand exactly what you mean. Are you saying people who get bans over turned will be banned by the mod that banned them because they believe in their original decision or that they were genuine bad eggs whom could not help replicating the things that contributed to their ban?

Just wondering about this but those dates are back in 2017??

He just got banned right now for this or is he very late in discovering he was banned?

Also there must be a way to tell...

but how can we tell people can not copy and paste something we say and find an earlier dated post they made and copy and paste our post making it look like they posted it first? then reporting us for plagiarism?  even if it was requoted they could own the puppet account.

I have to say honestly if the rest of his entire post history looks legit that is quite a weak case

I must have seen "bitcoin is the king of currency" and " alts have no chance to beat it " by 1000's of persons here over the years i mean there is only so many ways to express this.

What is the obsession with people copying and pasting work of little worth I mean the above example is not an expression of a novel idea or something that has not been stated 1000 x before?  and not banning people that are serious scammers?

I mean surely over a year later is a bit strange.... who is looking up this stuff??

Who has the power to perm ban people here? do mods of each section have power to ban in their section?

Should not legends and heros deserve a ban with a clear reason at least. Imagine spending years here to be banned and not even realise why it happened?  I also worry that like some have said that if one individual has the power to perm ban with no reason then there is obvious worries that could be abused and people are silenced without fair trial.

I would have though legends should only be banned with very good reason that is clearly observable for others to see. Some people have spent a lot of effort on this board and should only be banned for clear intentional wrong doing or not a perma ban. temp ban or merit reduction yes but perma bans for legends should be for very serious offenses.