Ideally yes. How else can one reviewing it make up their mind on it.

I mean if you do not put the reason you can't be that confident others will find it as damning as you want a neg to be.

Usually you get to see that actually it is not even something that you should factor in to a possible financial transaction.

I have had negs for simply not fighting against a scam someone told me I should help them fight because I was busy fighting larger scams and the perp had vanished from the board so there was nothing you could really do

I had even been scammed by that same scammer who scammed the person giving me bad feedback and he was a legend member more senior than me. Pathetic excuse of a member he was.

Also how can you call for others to balance that neg if you can't fight the accusation with facts because there is no statement

@hilariousetc

I would agree with mostly what you have said as actually the important parts are to me pretty much true..

1. no people will be banned for a few movie quotes or helpful mining guides memes
2. that is more of less what theymos has said anyway - real financially motivated offenders will be perm banned.
3. discussion in general is good so long as reasonable consideration is given to all persons and a sensible/optimal action is the target. However in my own personal opinion theymos is usually rather fair and as in this example wants freedom of the user to remain in tact as much as possible until they actually take the piss and are then shown the door. This is the best way.

4. things were very different back in early 2013 ( i though you joined late 2014 or perhaps you had a different account) . I used to even wonder why these adverts are popping up in the page now and then.

It would seem reasonable and it is in line with what I have seen that the alt discussion board is more damaged than bitcoin discussion. You see the ico's are off limit to be discussed in the bitcoin forum they are alts. I find the fake discussion are the most damaging since they are the most convincing to noobs.  These are crushing the alt board and more and more icos need not rely on sigs they just need hire teams to drum up endless fake conversations there. The volume of these makes it harder to moderate than boards where they are taken out of the equation to start with. I mean the speed the board moves in the alt section has been insane in the previous months you could start a thread on alt discussion and in 10 mins it could be on page 2 or 3.  Bitcoin discussion is of course damaged and full of nonsense as well but it is easier to have a sensible discussion that can gain some traction.

I have suggested possible ways to resolve many of the issues we seem to be struggling with but to me it seemed strange that most did not approve and yet gave no reasonable explanation of why it would not improve things.

How come removed it back to this section again?

No need of neg trust there.

However, I would likely not complain too much if I was outbid 1 second over the time. I don't like sniping. With lag and things like that I would let it go.

Seems both sides have some sympathy.

If you are going to be strict according to the rules tech share is right. If I was a legend with lots of trust I would not leave room for people to call me out as bending rules to gain 300 bucks.  I'm sure that was not your intent since for an ancient member then 300 bucks is not worth worrying about. But you know how some people can try to spin things later if it fits their agenda.

I have to say being called out is not really a threat unless you did something that could be viewed as wrong. To me that is saying I will call for community review of the situation.  So anyone that has not done anything wrong or even something positive should welcome getting called out.

Just remove the neg and both forget it. Not worth falling out over.
 

Nice mags to own for sure. Did they get sold?

LOL how recognised are you at bitcointalk is that not a profiles reputation? get that one moved first then.

This is the merit board. Get with the program.

LOL no thanks DT members should not have this power. Mods only. You can't really ruin a board with  2 or 3 being accountable  because they can not gain enough momentum it easily becomes observable as a dictatorship and since the only real fear is a ban people will just leave. However start opening it up to a clique of 40+ and there associated  pets and you will make things far more risky and dark here.

Demerit for mods only with clear criteria.

This guy deserves some merit for spotting abuse.

Very interesting report. I await to see what happens about it all.

50 merits for one post is quite insane ... even a great poster on the alt discussion will never likely attain such merit in years.

Demonstrating merit is gamed hard here very valuable.

Kill all forks

simply claim and immediately dump

people lose faith if you keep swapping ideas and get a lot of infighting with top devs.

Either win majority support from the community or don't make changes.

This is a good opportunity to stock up on things you want though so can't complain.

Who can say so many factors here.
I will tell you one thing about bitcoin. NEVER sell at a loss - especially when it has gone this far. You simply have to wait it out perhaps as much as 2022 now. However you are down to 3k now what is the point of worrying at this stage.

If you were going to sell at a loss it should have been way before now. You now have to await the long game but I would not be too concerned unless you really need the funds right now or before 2022.

Another thing just when you cash out for what you put it in will sky rocket past that.  

Barring a black swan event you will be okay.

Just be glad you did not invest in some alts back then. You would be looking at some huge losses and there is no such holding rule for them. I think they will mostly dilute themselves to zero.

There are a few exceptions but finding those will be unlikely without a lot of experience and a lot of luck.

Well this is the merit board so of course it can be discussed here. I see 50% of threads here are about merit or greater. So one more is of course welcomed and fully at home.

The entire merit system is a circle jerking backslapping club in meta so don't worry too much about it. Just enjoy posting here and make posts that you know are good and make a difference.

The entire system is abused if you consider a small actually tiny tiny tiny majority of posters circling it around to each other for simply aligning with their ideology of how the board should be. 

A lot of the top merit holders here pass merit amongst themselves on a small sub board for discussing how much merit they have.

So long as merit is holding off new bot and scammers from the alt discussion board it's doing it's job and that is all you can say about it.

Good for highlighting it though.

Merit is to stop spammers, account farmers, ico pumpers - it has no other real value than that.  I

Having said that legends passing it all around to other legends is not so bad as legends obviously powering up puppet accounts or merit buyers. We don't want that.

Get that legend reduced back to senior at max take all his merit away.

You can not change the basis of what people have already burned on. I would not even think of bothering with new tech from now on that will be copy and pasted 50x within a week by people that are just marketeers who managed to scam more people into believing in their project when they would have had not chance to create it themselves.

10% seems too small I would rather suggest 50%

Copy and paste "devs" can stop ripping millions of btc out of people using other peoples talent.

Stop repeating this request nobody else burning for blacknet want's this open to copy and paste devs with no talent of their own.

I hope the new licence blocks all loopholes of copy and paste so no other project will use blacknets code with out a huge air drop to the persons supporting the original work rat4 does.

Blackcoin should have done this for pos3  that every new pos clone was copy and pasting and diluting blackcoins market share I am totally against talent free developers projects taking support from the original source of creation.

Bitcoin to a degree can allow it due to the network effect it has and a huge team for marketing and coding .. no other projects should encourage these copy and paste developers to scam investors and supporters to their projects that they could not even maintain on their own steam.

I do not remember even seeing many sigs back in early 2013 at all.

I am predominantly an alt board poster. So my favourite boards have been crushed by these types and damaged far more than bitcoin discussion or merit board here has. So yes I want them all gone too. However, 1 or 2 copy and pastes for a joke (quote from a movie where it may seem funny or appropriate - - like memes) or copy and pasting a mining guide for a new person is not a perm ban -- especially not if the person has made years of contribution here.

I don't see the point of discussing it further because what I say now or anyone else says now is irrelevant as it always was. The board owner has said made clear how it is. That's it. What point is there debating it further? Yes 99% of the current crop of copy and pasters are going to get perm banned. Good, then we will see a return of the good alt board posters.

I am glad you want them gone, I am glad there are people here reporting real bad eggs even though some have a very high horse attitude about it - - still they do predominantly beneficial work. I am not aiming to make their job harder. However one good poster who has spent years helping and contributing to the board has right to appeal if by mistake they are perm banned for a couple of movie quotes and a mining guide.... or some other post they though was interesting out of 1000's of great posts. They should get a temp ban or warning.

No need for anyone else to respond to the thread. I would delete the rest and simply sticky theymos post and label it "anyone appealing copy and paste read this first".  Then people won't keep promising not to do it again or any other excuses. If they know they are not good posters and loyal members to this board and are just here  to make money from sig spamming /account selling / ico fake discussions and posts then hopefully they will not even make threads to get reinstated. Even better if when they are banned they get a reason for their ban so they don't ask why am I banned. I am not surprised some do not know the reason if the offence was in 2015.

Anyway I think there is not much to worry about.... if many mods need to discuss to ban heros and legends for this and there is right of public appeal on this board for anyone who believes they have been perm banned by mistake. Seems a good system.

This is what they are hoping you are all feeling like.  Just before you give up and let them have it all cheap.

Better to be feeling like - - what else can I sell to accumulate more at this second bite at the cherry.

I would not sell one more btc under 50k from here. Unless I was trying to weave in and out which I won't try again.

I usually would try to help anyone who was a not a scammer (not that I could help with this matter anyway). Which you do not seem to be.

However letting anyone else buy or use your account is not something I can say is responsible to other members of this board.

Especially a legend or hero account.

My fear about people selling or lending them out is that people could use that rank to gain some trust from others and that could potentially lead to scamming. I am not saying the account seller is essentially a scammer but it shows to me lack of concern for this happening. If I was new here and I thought I was dealing with a legend account I would probably trust them more than if I realised they hacked or bought the account the day before.

I do not support account sales or hiring out on that basis. I have actually seen accounts flagged with neg trust for this which I do semi agree with actually or at least some indication that person running that account now is not the person that gain the legendary rank.

I think it will be unlikely to get your account back.

Although I am not judging you. If a person is in desperate need of money then only they can know the pressure they are under to take certain actions. It is sad you lost your legend account I hope you can rebuild a new account over time.

Well you do have a point. Charities do not give out expecting to get something in return.

However, personally for me if i had received money or assistance from a charity on the basis of an illness or just because at one time I was hungry without food, then later in life I found myself with some surplus of funds I would donate to that charity that helped me previously.

I think it is fair to take from any source who will willingly give. I would likely pay back plus more if I could later. If i was never in that position then I don't think it would be unfair if I never reciprocated.

With tax if a system was developed you never had to pay in unless you wanted. Then it would be like joining a club with membership. I don't expect to enter club that members have to pay for for free and get the benefits they are funding.

Charity a different case.

Ah a last word specialist to add your annoying cv.

Wrong, that is very useful. Prove why it is not or shut up.

Copy and paste and it's associated ban time is very context dependant.

I will not be taking any advice from you.

No that would not be fair if they ever had an excess  to give back. Can you explain how that relates to the part of my post that you bolded? I mean it might but I can't see it.

The subject is a ban because of copy and paste and the possible mitigating circumstances claimed by the OP . My entire post is on topic. I have not got time to trawl his entire post count either. So I posted some broad terms and possible guide that I have recently had made clear to me on this subject. So that he himself can therefore analyse his own posts and consider on the basis of that if he should honestly keep appealing. This is also useful for future persons who may come here with the same problem.


The analogy you posted if not fitting to all those that copy and paste a couple of times out of 1500 but could be in this situation I have not had time to review his entire post history.

You can call a tomato a potato as many times as you like. It only demonstrates you can not see the difference.

You are mistaking my posts as defending deliberate financially motivated copy and pasters this is not true. I am simply posting what I have had made clear to me and that they themselves can examine their post history and bring forth a real case if they think they have one or just forget about it.

After the other thread I had already said there was nothing more to say about it.....ie speculating.  If you have copy and paste and believe you have a case based on what has been said then you can bring it forward but no excuses will work if it is clearly a financially motivate or recurring issue.

The same goes for you, keep bugging me and I will keep telling you to stfu with your groundless accusations.

What is this total misrepresentation of what I have said and what is detailed in this thread.

Please re-read the OP for a start.

Clearly it says ban beside those copy and pasters for financial gain ie sig spamming, account sellers etc. Have another look the ? are besides others that could get caught up in this net.

This is not at all what my post is about.

I am not shaming reporters of real scammers and financially motivated copy and pasters

I am saying be careful not to be too heavy handed with those that do not fall into that category. Therefore context is key.

It seems the thread actually brought a lot of clarity to the entire process.

Copy and paste needs to be viewed case by case especially with members pre dating 2015 and even predating the rules. Financially motivated posting was not a thing before then like it is now.

LOL okay sorry alter that to 2 or 3 out of 1500 then stfu. Post them all if you must. Actually it does not really matter for the vast majority of the information contained within my post.

Please mr self important high horseman contain your snivelling postings to simple snitching on 5 year old copy and pastes. Try to stop stalking me it is actually bothersome. Try to get out of meta on to the real board once in a while.

Justify your statement with a comprehensive and logical report on how the information contained with in my post will qualify as a shit post. It provides quite a comprehensive and helpful explanation to others who may read this how to differentiate between a copy and past that can result in a perma ban and one that may be a temp ban.

I would suspect in real life (you know out from behind your keyboard) you are a poor and pathetic creature that I would feel guilt and remorse at bitch slapping for just being generally annoying and sickening to be near. You were bullied at school I get that and I don't wish to be nasty to you. But please STFU and stop trying to cram your narrow damaged view of the world and humanity on me. If I wisht to make my own evaluation and analysis on people making appeals or if I just wish to post what I consider a sensible piece of informative work detailing some differences that may lead to varying periods of bans I will do just that.

I will post as I see fit. Not as bag of wasted merits like you decides I should post.

You have done nothing of real note here in the time you have been a member. You're not a real scam fighter. I have never seen you be part of any of the scam fighting teams I have been part of fighting. You are a joke but only you and people like you do not know it.

To find out go out from behind your keyboard into the real world and start talking to people as you talk to them here. You will likely be on your knees (not through choice) crying for mercy in about 10 mins as soon as a real male objects to your high horse attitude and rude manner.

Now if after reading this you are not comprehending that I feel that you are a waste of space here and could be replaced by snitch brown noser bot quite easily then please re-read until you do.

Of course I am not interested to hear any opinions on this post by any of your back slapping meta hermit high merit hoarders. Or most of the saps I am finding lurking here. (not all I must add there are a few that are not suffering from your mental damage from school bullying).

You see 1500 posts and 1 copy and paste would perhaps seem grounds for a possible reversal if the rest of your contribution was of obviously net positive for the board. Like lots of sensible and helpful input and not just here for financial gain.

Most of the problems with this board are caused because people are trying to use it as a cash cow.

Years ago there was no use for sigs really not that I noticed for financial reasons anyway. There was not really any financial direct gain by posting at all. When a board can be used to directly generate income via posting you will always get a problem.

The problem you have is quite openly saying you are posting mostly for bounties and airdrops... which is not essentially against the rules but with that motive alone then copy and paste is going to be a tough sell as a not being financially motivated.

I think if you had 1499 posts of good quality and displaying you were a serious member who was genuinely interested in decentralised trustless transparent projects and were helpful or cared about others here then you could be okay, because you would be net positive to the community but just trying to treat it like a cash cow is a bad move and no forum should actually  be open to this anyway.

The thing I like about this board is the freedom to have any opinion you like (nearly) and so long as you can justify it logically to some degree then you are free to discuss it. That and the fact some very interesting and smart people will give time to you to discuss/explain all kinds of things. I do feel sorry for you that you are banned but I am saying I do not think you have a huge chance of reversal.

Having said that a lot of people here have no empathy for those worse off who spot a chance here to make life changing amounts of money for them/their families and I think this motivation pushes them towards mistakes that get them banned. I understand they do have to go for the board not to be ruined but I seldom gloat or find pleasure in it. That is for copy and pasters of low frequency. Real devious scammers and thieves are different they deserve to go with a boot up the ass. I do not feel you are a scammer so as I said it i see no real pleasure in your removal.