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2741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I am wondering on: October 07, 2011, 10:33:44 AM
if its possible; then how do i do it?

How do i get the gpu to mine? it doesn't sound simple.
Any instructions? Or do someone has to write a code for this to work.


They are not going to share GPU code for Tenebrix. They are idiots.
2742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 07, 2011, 10:31:02 AM
P.S.:
I'd like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that per current agreement, Laundry-fund isn't whole whoppin' 7.7 mils Smiley

Honestly, I rather have the code lock down most of the 7.7 million fund for your laundry use than for only 4 million to be locked down and you have 3.7 million that you will give to faucet and developers at your discretion. But that's just me. I would suggest you to create a new poll and see what people think.

Share the same opinion. Lolcust should not have access to 7.7 million coins etc.

Nobody should have access to more than 100 000 coins.
2743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 07, 2011, 10:23:38 AM
So how much are you going to take then ?

Take ? ^__^

What exactly do you mean, how much will it cost to run moneyz through my laundry ? Hm... you know, I hope to keep it below BTCL's 4.555% - much below, in fact.

But it's somewhat silly to make such inquiries before beta, don't you think?

I meant how big is the cut going to be for you personally. You need a new yacht, you know
2744  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 07, 2011, 10:17:47 AM
I'm going to assume that all exchanges will be running on laundry checking code, since it would be insanely stupid for them to not do that. So if the attack happens, the attacker would not be able to unload their stolen coins to an exchange because the exchange will not consider those transactions as valid. So in that sense, the attacker would not be able to do much with those stolen coins.

Well, exchanges are known to do silly things (ref: that Polish dude who pwnt his own exchange), and a big-time attacker could run his own exchange (the loss is essentially passed to the users who bought "pwnage coins" in that scenario)

There's quite a difference between laundry gets hacked and coins sent to laundry stolen VERSUS 7.7 million laundry fund gets stolen and dumped on the market. The former will only hurt the future of your laundry business. The latter will kill Tenebrix altogether.

1) Laundry fund isn't 7.7 mil. Given that I have pledged 2 mils to the faucet(s) aka Late Adopters and that about ~1.5 mils are reserved for dev-endeavors, it's quite less than 7.7 mils.

2) In my humble opinion, loss of laundry will be catastrophic enough to doom the project irrespective of whether the funds are dumped or "merely" lost forever

3) In about 6 years, 7.7 mil superfund will be not that super, and its ability to ruin the market won't be so immense. That is even more true for a fund of ~4 mil that is actually intended for laundry per most recent agreement.

So this solution should prevent the latter from happening but it does nothing for the former. You still have to protect your laundry service from hackers. But if they do somehow manage to hack into your service, at least the network prevents them from touching any of the 7.7 million coins in the laundry fund.


Well, like I said in the postscript (that I sadly added only moments before your response), I consider creation of "miners that do not accept laundry-killer tx" to be pretty imminent irrespective of what I, or for that matter the majority of miners, think (even if majority goes "duh", some miners will run such a thing)

I do also think that adding a Laundry-Watcher and Notification thingie to ABE would be verily nice and might get quite popular irrespective of how "laundry lockdown miner code" fares.

P.S.:
I'd like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that per current agreement, Laundry-fund isn't whole whoppin' 7.7 mils Smiley

So how much are you going to take then ?
2745  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 07, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
So, the plot thinkens !

artforz = bitcoinexpress = lolcust = satoshi = SAC = SC2 trolls = hacking all the currencies they can and scamming people ?
2746  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 07, 2011, 10:04:55 AM
Maybe artforz = satoshi = lolcust = bitcoinexpress hacked account from lexus salesperson ??

Why don't you want to be identified ? You got something to hide ?
2747  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 07, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
You need to enlist this guy to do the research https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24792

Care to specify why exactly. Is he some detective ? Excuse my ignorance BTW.
2748  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 07, 2011, 12:38:42 AM
Well it is pretty obvious they are the same guy. All of them 3 are hating on SC etc. does not take a genius there Smiley
2749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] The Proposal for EnCoin on: October 07, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
This thread is too much talk and no action.

I think you need to actually start making this a reality. Is this going to be CPU or GPU based ?

Thanks !
2750  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 06, 2011, 02:58:23 PM
@Yeah kinda been pre-occupied and I got a hella backlash from people saying NOT NO BUT HELL NO!!!

Also I have been working on some Intersango type exchanges for GG, TBX and now possibly add I0C and IXC since the unfortunate forking incident closed Bitparking. Hopefully have everything polished out in a couple of weeks.

and yes Bulanula, I 100% know without a doubt that if I open an exchange where GG,TBX,IXC and I0C can be traded for BTC, people will use it, BCX or not! (middle finger both hands bulanula  Grin Grin Grin)

~BCX~

PS Before anyone says it, if you don't want to use an exchange because I run it, I don't give a shit, fuck you!

You got something personal with me son ?
2751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 06, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
Please can somebody also post a OpenCL miner as I think it could be useful even with scrypt algo. Thanks !
2752  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Solo mining questions and clarifications on: October 06, 2011, 02:02:47 PM
The POW should be actually something feasible and something of value.

It does give you something of value, its called bitcoins, currently worth about 5 bucks each.

Well it keeps falling to 4.5 now Sad
2753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What speed are your getting CPU mining TENEBRIX? on: October 06, 2011, 01:06:37 PM
Guys what about AVX and AES-NI instructions in Sandy 2600K !? How far can I push my 2600K !?
2754  Economy / Speculation / Re: The manipulator is back!!! on: October 05, 2011, 08:43:25 PM
The manipulator is back!!!

But this time instead of buying a shitload of Bitcoins then selling them making the price go all screwy...he is messing with us by making sure that the price is VERY stable...

Man this guy is diabolical!

How much did he give you to be his mouthpiece?

LOL nice one mate !
2755  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally is starting on: October 05, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
No Nagle, this is just the brief calm before the storm and then it's up, up, up TO THE MOON!

Is anyone still this delusional at the moment? I need some entertainment.

Just remember, when we quickly rise past 50 you should sell big. Then you will be like the suckers who sold when we went from 1 to 4 before going up to 30.

I'm not exactly seeing what will be lifting BTC up to $10 again, let alone $50.

Trust me, bitcoin will be worth $100 one good day !
2756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What speed are your getting CPU mining TENEBRIX? on: October 05, 2011, 08:28:58 PM
I just got like 10 proofs of work (including one for 10 trillion TBX) trying to port this directly to another linux box... beeeee careful when you make the binaries lolcust.

Um, you mean you just copypasted the binaries built on one linux block to another lin and it misbehaved ? Or is something more sinister afoot ?

Also, AFAIK the max coinage a chain can deal with is around 130 billions....

OK thank you !

At least I can mine this now but SC2 is not available but he keeps saying soon for like weeks etc. Who knows etc.
2757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 05, 2011, 08:16:08 PM
Woof woof  Shocked

Good doggie, now run and sell some of the Tenebrix you've mined, because I hear there's some folks buying those thingies quite eagerly over there on btc-e.

Nope, I'm holding for now Smiley
2758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What speed are your getting CPU mining TENEBRIX? on: October 05, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
So, I remade with gcc-4.6.1 and there is no actual performance increase... not sure what is going on exactly.

edit: never mind, had to recompile with CFLAGS="-march=amdfam10 -O3" ./configure
and then with gcc-4.6.1

Now I'm at 3.40kh/s!!  thanks!!

Man you guys are just murdering my stupid 2600K crappy Intel silicon. I want some of the love please !

Poster a few posts back : how did you get 1.66 khash/s per thread on the 2600K !? I only get around 1.15 khash/s per thread on my crappy chip.

Bulanula, are you on win or on Linux ? I'm about to pull an experimental Tenebrix Minerd optimization by ArtForz that is tailored to 64 bit linuxes (completely untested on win)
Can squeeze out up to 30% more.

Dude this is what I am waiting for LOL. This crappy 2600K is wayyy too slow for this high difficulty. I'm on Windows now but I also do Linux etc.
2759  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Solo mining questions and clarifications on: October 05, 2011, 08:07:14 PM
The network doesn't record anything (for solo or pool).

Each hash is an equal chance.  Like buying a lottery ticket.


At current difficulty every hash as exactly the same chance of being the winner.

You have a 1 in 7,255,634,282,020,860 chance of finding a "winning" hash.  Period.
Every new hash is another chance.  If you have a 100MH/s miner then you get 100 million chances to "win" every second.


The losing tickets are worthless.  Now for pools to keep track of how many hashes miners are trying (to split reward when a block is found) the pool will have you return losing but still difficult to find tickets/hashes.  On average you have a hash good enough for the pool every 4,294,967,296 hashes.  So you turn those in an each one tells the pool that you have mined roughly 4,294,967,296 hashes.  It is simply a mechanism to keep people honest.  Pools call those 1 share.  1 share ~= 4,294,967,296 hashes. 

Otherwise I could write a miner that told a pool "Yup I just mine 11 quadrillion hashes. they were all bad. please pay me".

Three key things to remember:
1) Only the winning hash is worth anything
2) You don't work towards a winning hash.  You either win or you lose.  Then you try again.  If you mine 100 billion hashes and they all are losers then you are no "closer" to winning hash than on first hash.
3) Shares in a pool are worthless.  They are simply a mechanism to keep miner's honest.  The only share worth anything in a pool is the one that solves a block.

The best way to understand it is the lottery analogy.  Every hash is a new ticket.  It either wins or it doesn't.  You could (very unlikely) win 2x back to back.  You could also mine for the rest of your life and never win = find a hash which solves a block.

If you don't have 20GH/s then honestly you shouldn't be solo mining.



Why not make this actually contribute to society rather than wasting energy to get some dumb number etc. !? It is not even finding new prime numbers etc. LOL

The POW should be actually something feasible and something of value.
2760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What speed are your getting CPU mining TENEBRIX? on: October 05, 2011, 08:04:30 PM
So, I remade with gcc-4.6.1 and there is no actual performance increase... not sure what is going on exactly.

edit: never mind, had to recompile with CFLAGS="-march=amdfam10 -O3" ./configure
and then with gcc-4.6.1

Now I'm at 3.40kh/s!!  thanks!!

Man you guys are just murdering my stupid 2600K crappy Intel silicon. I want some of the love please !

Poster a few posts back : how did you get 1.66 khash/s per thread on the 2600K !? I only get around 1.15 khash/s per thread on my crappy chip.
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