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18pChH7Mf8DjP5Vxxva8R4UxRT22eMZd2j
Reckless? Matthew?
Valid bet. Agreed. |
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Question: how will you decide if pirate really paid back his investors?
1. what happens if he pays back the small investors at the expenses of the largest ones, and pretends that those that have not been paid never invested in his fund?
2. what happens if he pays back all investors, and some users pretend to have been scammed, just in order to destroy your bet?
Well, the rules of the thread are that he pays back as he described in his post. I am not sure how more specific I could get. I obviously can't include all the passthrus because that's up to the owner of the passthru, but if he paid out everyone that he is directly responsible to by the terms they agreed on and by the terms of his posts, that will be pretty easy to figure out won't it? |
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Doesn’t that go directly against what your home girl Vladimir believes about Pirate?
We are a very diverse team, many things we do not agree on. One thing we agree on is absolute transparency in businesses. We also agree that if you're anonymous, you're not worth even talking to. None of our contributors are allowed to be anonymous either (unless they're wikileaking things). I do not support the anonymous movement. However, Vladimir and many others like to use the "If it walks like a duck" line. I walk like a duck. Quack. I'm definitely not a duck though, so I have sympathy for trade secrets, idiots and unprofessionals and don't like to assume the worst. In my posts I often "draw out" people's true intentions by pretending to believe they are scammers, but once I realize they're legitimate, I apologize and begin to help them work towards a better image to avoid guys like me bothering them in the future. In pirate's case, he's not anonymous. Hardly. He's just not transparent. Is he a mafia kingpin? Maybe. If he is, would that mean he doesn't make money? The argument should never have been "is he a ponzi?", it should have been "Do we want morals involved in Bitcoin?" (SilkRoad? Assassinations? Give me a break.) I thought you guys were usually joined at the hip on this kind of shit? He has been one of the biggest ones “crying scam.”
I respect Vladimir greatly for his security advice. He is spot on when it comes to the risk level of Pirate. I believe that is where the advice should stop however. When it comes to asserting opinions as absolutes, you lose my attention. What do you care anyway if it’s a ponzi, are you locked up in it somehow?
I am not locked up in anything, I have never participated in Pirate or any ponzi. If you look at my previous posts, I was one of the loudest mouths when it came to trying to get ponzis kicked off the forums. In fact, that's how I met JRO in the first place. I thanked him like this in PM out of the blue (paraphrased from memory): "Dear Jonathan, I fucking hate ponzis and I think they're ruining bitcoin and by extension, I hate you too for running bitcoinduit. That said, I have to give you credit and thanks for giving them a place to go so that we can have a cleaner forum. Cheers" |
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@Otomakan Ishotas: Please read the OP. You're not an established member.
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Damn, son. I like when people use bets to show their conviction to an opinion. That's how men settle things, in my opinion  hell yea! @OP How is it that you are doubling if on a 20BTC bet you only will be sending 20BTC when you lose? Because I'm not holding the moneys. These posts are for commitments to pay only. As in, you could say you're going to pay 20BTC, so if you win, why would I send you 40BTC? Also, would someone please quote the OP so that it can't be said that I changed it later? |
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This was a horrible childish prank that made me look bad and I have no excuse, just that I won't do anything like this again.
I have settled with mostly everyone who bet in this troll thread and it sucks having this be one of the things I'm remembered for, but I won't let it happen again. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654
Don't think pirate will payout as promised?
If you truly believe that Pirate is a scam/ponzi, then this is a no-brainer easy money for you.
Post in this thread how much you're committing and I will double that amount you commit (maximum of 10,000BTC in bets allowed in this thread total) if Pirate does not pay out in 3 weeks as he described in his thread.
To make your bets easier to read, please stick to the following format:
20BTC
13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM
Optional comment
The above post would be betting 20BTC that he in fact is not going to payout as described. If I lose the bet, you get 20BTC sent to that address. If you lose, you'll need to send 20BTC to my address.
Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 250+ post users will be allowed to participate, unless they participate through an escrow who will hold their coins. This is up to them to find the escrow although many posters in this thread have agreed to act as such.
The minimum commitment is 0.1BTC. The maximum default bet for normal users is currently 1000BTC per person. If you would like to wager more, please PM so that I may do a more extensive verification of identity and holdings. Thanks.
Disclaimer: Although I think pirate is a high risk venture due to a complete lack of transparency on his part, I am sorely reminded that the forum needs to be taught a lesson when it comes to crying wolf on things without evidence. It's getting sickening. "SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!". So put your money where your mouth and bet for a better bitcoin forum/community overall.
For the record, the address to remit your funds to if you indeed lose is 13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM
Thank you and good luck!
I reserve the right to lock this thread and stop accepting additional bets at any time. All existing bets in the thread will still be honored regardless.[/s]
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Vandroiy is suspiciously quiet these last couple days.  I think he is sweating buckets, as he has finally figured out what is going on. Why would he be sweating if neither party is keeping the winnings?  |
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uhmmm. excuse me. so now, just who invented Bitcoin?
and who invented myBitcoin? Yep. I don't necessarily agree that your name must be attached to some work for it to be taken seriously. We're talking about purposely hiding and masking your identity while operating in a financial marketplace. Big difference.
Not taking credit for something happens all the time. Unfortunately, so does not taking credit for thefts.
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@Topic
Whatever Bitcoin's aftermath will be does not really matter. The point of Bitcoin is to offer a decentralized, fair, and cryptographically secure monetary system. To meet that primary goal, adoption by people from all kinds of cultures, opinions, and political views is necessary. It is not constructive to criticize those that support Bitcoin without supporting a socially liberal society.
This +1 |
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Government may be a flawed principle in itself, but I think short of some advancements in Eugenics, our need for government is far from over. This forum is a government. The internet you use is a government. McDonalds is a government (they control your actions and do not reward you unless you do what they want, they way they want it, and yet they produce a product through this). Everything needs management, and the roots of this go right down to our childhood. When a baby can be born alone and grow up without any help from anyone else, we won't need government. The second someone says "we dont' need moderation of that", I'll point you to pedophiles, kidnappers, murderers and psychopaths that would raise the child up as a freak.
Government may be inherently evil, but our interest in creating one is natural and understandable. Government is a file system tree on your computer. You want chaos? Fine. Randomize your hard drive. No order! No one tells these bits what to do or where to go! Rather useless.
That's the brainwashing the matrix of B/S instilled in you: "lack of Government? Be afraid!" ...and an ironical negation of your sign. I'll try to cure it with this quote: "Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can’t have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man’s worth couldn’t be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorney or politicians, therefore we couldn’t cheat. We were in a really bad way before the white man came, and I don’t know how we managed to get along without the basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society." - John Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions: The Life of a Sioux Medicine Man, Simon & Schuster; Revised edition (October 1, 1994) That's some grade-A bullshit right there. Does John Lame Deer go on to explain how we went to space, cured diseases, etc with such a society? Oops. Also, I am far from afraid of government or living without it. I believe however that as seekers of shelter and cooperation, we are inherently drawn to moderation for the fairness of the group. Such is government. I will not defend any government though, they need to defend their own practices. |
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Money doesn't make politicians, people do. Money is just what gives them more power.
Why would Bitcoin be a means to achieve a political end?
Bitcoin, or it's successors, makes paying the State an entirely voluntary affair. They can't even prove how much you've got. When people cannot be forced into paying the State, the State must convince them to pay. That puts them in market competition, if not with each other, then at least with all the myriad other things money can buy. Yes, but it doesn't remove the government, it just makes them more honest (unless they basically kill everyone who carries bitcoins like they currently do with any lethal weapons). Government may be a flawed principle in itself, but I think short of some advancements in Eugenics, our need for government is far from over. This forum is a government. The internet you use is a government. McDonalds is a government (they control your actions and do not reward you unless you do what they want, they way they want it, and yet they produce a product through this). Everything needs management, and the roots of this go right down to our childhood. When a baby can be born alone and grow up without any help from anyone else, we won't need government. The second someone says "we dont' need moderation of that", I'll point you to pedophiles, kidnappers, murderers and psychopaths that would raise the child up as a freak. Government may be inherently evil, but our interest in creating one is natural and understandable. Government is a file system tree on your computer. You want chaos? Fine. Randomize your hard drive. No order! No one tells these bits what to do or where to go! Rather useless. |
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Good, maybe people will stop spammimg their referral links everywhere.
I lol'ed. |
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"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!"
You are not permitted to issue and control Bitcoin. Precisely. Therefore, the quote is invalid. Then you're looking at it wrong. The quote says money trumps political power. Decentralize money, decentralize political power. The only invalid quote here is this: Bitcoin is not a means to achieve a political end. Money doesn't make politicians, people do. Money is just what gives them more power. |
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EMU
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OSTRICH
Know the difference, it could save your life.
Learn something new everyday! |
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In other words, you're against taxes. If you're not forced, it's not a tax.
To tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is to impose a financial charge or other levy upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law. Oh okay. So I'm against taxes as well, but I don't mind paying them when it enables opportunities.  I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.
Is that because you don't agree with what the money is used for, or because you're an anarchist or something of that nature? |
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Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window. The day they will be able to effectively "regulate" bitcoins, I'm out for good. I know some people are against taxes (I'm not, just against forced taxes for things I don't want to participate in and don't ask for) but do you expect to pay taxes on bitcoins? |
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No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.
On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100804.0Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window. Bingo. Bitcoin does not cure cancer, it just slowly impedes the process at which cancer cells can get their food and teachers other healthy cells that they're not alone, giving them some reason to fight. This is a 200 year battle we're in. Bitcoin is just a whisper of an innovation in the right direction, one that looks to us like the most interesting thing in our decade. |
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I wouldn't even know where to get a straw hat, lol
And I would agree to make the video for the opposite reason as MnW, No one would watch mine. - of course, the straw hat may need to be replaced with some other type of hat, perhaps a shoe, or newspaper napoleon hat, for the previous mentioned lack of straw hat knowledge
I'd totally watch your video. An ostrich wearing a napoleon newspaper hat? That'd be on imgur in a day flat. |
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