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28361  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How I promote Bitcoin on: June 23, 2013, 10:43:15 PM
Which might - at least I hope so - trigger customers' interest to what the heck this Bitcoin is about.

There is a "rule of seven" in marketing that says that consumers need to see a brand's "message" 7 times before they become familiar with it and feel comfortable enough to buy.  Every touch point, including your link as an payment method alternate to PayPal, adds towards improving familiarity.  Providing a discount is a nice incentive to drum up a little additional interest!

this is true, but having bitcoins flashing in your face 7 times in a 2 minute period EG at the product listing page, as a side advert, at the payment page. does not truely count towards the 7 times.

usually people psychologically log it 3 times.. still pay fiat. but a few days later they return and take more notice of it, and thats the more likely time they would convert. which is still faster then a returning customer making 6 transactions before converting.

so dont expect every customer to take on bitcoin first time. but returning customers will. dont expect a high conversion rate of first time customers. and never expect a 100% conversion no matter how much you plaster bitcoin logo's on your website.
28362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Users' Bitcoins Seized by DEA on: June 23, 2013, 10:34:39 PM
That might not be the value of the Bitcoins. I looked up that day in April on the charts and the weighted price was like $44, which means 11 bitcoins is half that...

in april the LOWEST price was around $59 which had a high price of over $250 at the start of april and after the date of seizure, the low of $100..

meaning a valuation of between $59-$250 depending on what day the valuation was based on.

try better next time
28363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Users' Bitcoins Seized by DEA on: June 23, 2013, 10:20:09 PM
True dat. Encrypt your wallet people, and stay off silk road!

You naughty drug dealers...

+1

also to add

13-DEA-581051, 11.02 Bitcoins, Acct.#1ETDwGUC1QcjYuehFr3u1FD3MvDaUs7SFy,

VL: $814.22 which was seized in Charleston, SC from Eric Daniel Hughes AKA Casey Jones on April 12, 2013


value likely $814.22
now authorities are officially showing that bitcoin DOES have value  Grin

lastly to add:
http://blockchain.info/address/1ETDwGUC1QcjYuehFr3u1FD3MvDaUs7SFy

very old news, seems the funds have been released and are moving freely again. so it looks like the police didnt just put them into a public key with unknown private key (effectively destroying them). which shows even when linked to drugs, the user will get them back
28364  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin: The Decentralization of Privacy Or A Consumer Rights Breach? on: June 23, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
showing a unique bitcoin address is actually more secure then a business revealing its bank account details to customers so that they can wire transfer their bill payment each month. after all revealing a bank account makes consumers aware of which bank a business uses.

take bitpay for instance.

unique address given.. funds move to mtgox.. money trail disappears once converted to FIAT.

the block chain does not show the bank account MTGox/Bitpay reimbursed. so what is the problem?
28365  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 09:24:50 PM
the US government only has control over US dollars.. end of

they do not have control over the euro:
and everyone knows about the number of red light districts, cafe's selling drugs and also how oil tycoons may be thinking of dealing in euros as oppose to dollars. yet the US government cant do anything about that.

they do not have control over the Yen:
and everyone knows that most of their electrical products come from japan and having the ability to control yen would make supplier costs even cheaper.  yet the US government cant do anything about that.

they do not have control over the thai baht:
and everyone knows that most of the counterfeit goods originating from thailand. and to add to this counterfeit goods in Beijing, cambodia at some point passes through thailand. making thailand a fashion threat. yet the US government cant do anything about that.

i can give many examples of other currencies being related to illegal activities.. mexico=drugs, iraq, wars/weapons etc..

the point is when the currency is involved the government cannot do anything about a currency they do not own.
28366  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin island bootcamp *scam* on: June 23, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
Let's all just take a minute to review Frank's position.

he is scamming the community. by asking the community for funds!

Frank is an investor.  He has lots of money.  Enough to "buy an island outright" even.

Therefore, anyone who attempts to side-step Frank's investment services is a scammer, ipso facto.

the quote above if you included the whole context is about YOU doing this to THE COMMUNITY. i was emphasising in that post that it was not a personal attack between you and me, but about helping the community.

i dont wish to be involved with you. and i do not attempt to do this to wager a better deal with you either. i do this as you do not have a product to sell, have not shown any proof of your knowledge or experience in undertaking a future project in this area, so it would be like throwing money into a burning fire.

i do not mind that you keep your secret technologies under NDA. but keeping basic due diligence information such as who YOU are is a red flag to anyone in the community.

especially since people in 2012 asked those exact same questions about YOU and you locked the thread. now you wish to only reveal YOUR personal info for a 3BTC fee. and the requirement of an NDA, which requires the payee's to reveal their personal info just to sign a NDA.

that to me sounds ridiculous.

all it will take to quash this accusation is the revealing of your personal information (due dilegence) no one is asking for the business secrets
28367  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 08:40:31 PM

If you want to know what their endgame for Bitcoin is, look at the history of the Liberty Dollar:

Quote

DO NOT compare bitcoin with liberty dollar.
the issue with liberty dollar was the fact that the metal coins were made to replicate a actual FIAT dollar coin. which comes under counterfeiting laws.

bitcoin is not a counterfeit of FIAT. its a totally unrelated and new currency. (well the thailand authorities could take BTC symbol a bit personal. but its still not as bad as the liberty dollar)
28368  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California on: June 23, 2013, 08:22:42 PM
They probably thought the deep discount because McEnery Convention Center is under construction was good deal. Well that backfired! lol

This might actually be a good thing. TBF has been blustering for a while now about wanting to lobby Washington. Well here's their chance for a test case. All they need to do is prove to California govt that the membership of TBF does not run any money transmission business and they win. This could be the landmark case providing ammo to fight Washington. Or it could be that they are in way over their heads and didn't realize that Team San Jose is a government centric organization. lol

a money transmission business has to involve FIAT. thats the biggest thing to ever think about when bitcoin users are concerned. if you dont touch fiat your not a money transmitter. end off..

although TBF does not as part of their business trade bitcoins for FIAT for any customer. they do/must at some point convert bitcoin to FIAT to pay for things like convention halls...

it is also known that any amount of FIAT wire transferred over $1000 in one go or $15000 slowly over a year would be classed as a business transaction, as oppose to personal transactions (wages).

so TBF needs to clarify when it converted the bitcoin to FIAT to pay for the convention hall.. what was the purpose of the transaction. and the answer would be a purchase of a good or service and not a transmission of funds.

to clarify this they would need to show all the hands that touched the FIAT between TBF and the convention centre. hopefully they used bitinstant bank accounts in the process, as one of the BF's founders is a bitinstant founder. which is fully licenced.

if however gavin found some joebloggs in california and handed them many thousands of BTC in exchange for 10's of thousands of dollars to then use for the convention centre. then TBF has more to explain.
28369  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin island bootcamp *scam* on: June 23, 2013, 12:26:47 PM
well thats why this thread is called a scam accusation and not a scam verified thread.

informing others that someone has things to hide atleast highlights a person so that people can then do proper checks instead o just taking the information given at face value.

this thread is for warning people of potential threats.. hense the word accusation.

if infact it was verified as a scam. which would only happen AFTER the fact. the person scamming would (well used to) get a scammer tag or removed from the forum.

its about making people aware that certain people asking for money upfront are not as upfront about themselves..

prevention is better then cure and warning people that this is a risk is the whole point.

now imagine this scenario:
"great offer for 300BTC a ASIC miner that will revolutionise bitcoin. to find out more please pay 3BTC and give me all of your personal details so i can write up a legally binding NDA. before you pay me 3BTC, have given me your details and attended a meeting i will not tell you anything about my experience, knowledge, personal details or the details of the technology. i will not respond to questions regarding my personal informationas that is irrelevant. if you want to get answers pay 3BTC"

would you hand over $300(3BTC) without asking a single question? just to be informed about this great offer
28370  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Official Bitcoin Town Video Thread on: June 23, 2013, 11:37:46 AM
thank god others are seeing his failures..

his original concept of his utopia was a town that was free from government control.

now he has realised that he has to still abide by state and national laws.. the truth comes out

all he cares about is having an area so he can sell his weed.. his miracle cancer curing drug lol
28371  Other / Meta / Re: franky1 / tortious interference on: June 23, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Further response from me would just be repetitive, and muddy the issue more than it already has been.  Hopefully a moderator will take the time to read the threads and respond.

I will clarify that I have been under the impression that this forum still has some, minimal, form of moderation in order to prevent systemic abuse such as this.  If that is not the case, perhaps a moderator can make that clear and I will refrain from using this forum in the future.  Thanks.

YOU have a project
YOU requested in 2012 300BTC
YOU requested in 2013 3BTC - to meet people to convince them into spending 300BTC

whenever someon asks for funds it is standard practice to ask due diligence questions BEFORE handing over money

yet your response
SIGN a NDA - this alone requires the payee(s) to hand over their personal information to you for you to then write up an NDA for them to sign.
PAY 3BTC
BAY transport

and then and only then will you reveal your personal information.

what a strange man you are asking investors to give you their information and funds BEFORE any due diligence information can be obtained from you.

no wonder no one invested in you in 2012
28372  Other / Meta / Re: franky1 / tortious interference on: June 22, 2013, 10:49:56 PM
basic due diligence is not "naiveté of this community". it is actually standard and recommended process to follow

benjamindees answer to not wanting to give out basic due diligence information before handing over funds to him is to ask his 30 bootcamp attendee's to first of all hand over 3BTC, reveal their real life information to create NDA's, pay for plane tickets and visit him. and then, only then will he reveal his basic information.

the whole idea of due diligence is to gain basic identifiable information to base trustworthiness BEFORE handing ANY money over.

so on the 3rd different thread trying to get the basic information about HIM and not his secret technologies (which only that should remain under NDA) i will leave this:

again we as a community are not asking for your secret technology. we only seek basic due diligence information about YOU and about how trustworthy YOU are to be handling 3BTC-300BTC BEFORE having to hand over 3BTC

DO NOT TELL US THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist
28373  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin island bootcamp *scam* on: June 22, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
again we as a community are not asking for your secret technology. we only seek basic due diligence information about YOU and about how trustworthy YOU are to be handling 3BTC-300BTC BEFORE having to hand over 3BTC


DO NOT TELL US THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist

28374  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin island bootcamp *scam* on: June 22, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
You know who I am.  This is my real name.  My address and phone number can be easily found.  This community knows a lot more about me than any of us know about you.
And now you're stalking me?  And you want to lecture me on my political ideology?  What the hell is wrong with you?  Is this your motivation for trolling my threads and defaming me?

well your failure to just answer the questions as part of the active thread, would then require people as standard due diligence BEFORE paying out any money to try finding out some basic information..

if you want to call basic due diligence stalking then this is you getting defensive that you dont want people looking at you in detail.

requesting between 3BTC-300BTC is reason enough for anyone to require checking into you.

The rest of your questions are either completely irrelevant, or will be disclosed only under NDA and in person at Bitcoin Island Boot Camp.

but that requires the other 29 people to pay up money before knowing much about you or being called a stalker for trying to do some due diligence because you fail to disclose fundamental information that is not part of your secret technology, thus not requiring the NDA

But, be honest.  You aren't interested in Bitcoin Island.  You merely enjoy making a hobby of trolling Bitcoin-related projects on these forums.  You think that, since you can get away with hurling endless insults at posters like 'Finshaggy', you can do the same to me.  It's disgusting, really.  I'm not sure why it has been tolerated for so long.
actually i am very interested in bitcoin community projects. I have donated, invested and simply self funded many projects to aid bitcoins mainstreaming efforts and positive promotion. but what i do hate is people requesting funds without atleast answering the basic questions to atleast make the project look like it will succeed.

If we can get close, I have an investor who may be able to put us over the top.

Twist:  that investor was me.  Since the crowd-sourced donation effort obviously failed, I've decided to take another approach.  The fact remains that I have never solicited investment for Bitcoin Island, and I don't intend to any time soon.  Once again, your behaviour here is a perfect example of the reason I don't want to deal with investors.

the crowd sourcing effort of 2012 failed due to your lack of answering peoples questions or showing the exerience needed to make the project work. then exactly one year later, you attempt the same strategy again.. and yet again fail to answer the basic of questions which would not breach your NDA in regards to your secret technology

libel.
That is fairly impressive for only one day's research.  And on a weekend, too.  Do you have a lawyer on call?  I can tell you that my knowledge of libel comes from working for law firms.  Does yours come from defaming people often?
for a libertarian that believes in freedoms and also the law of the land where a crime is only a crime if someone is injured. you certainly want to threaten legal proceedings based on insults..

as a possible town mayor of the future.. you need to grow a thick skin as you will receive many insults.. i would love to see you arrest your residences because they don't like your attitude.

aswell as purely self modding/locking and ignoring posts as soon as anyone starts asking fundamental questions.

False.  I locked the original post when you started defaming me right off the bat.  I even linked it in the new post for anyone to see.

you locked the 2012 thread for reasons unrelated to me..
the 2013 thread you self modded and selectively deleted me, and atleast 4 other people.

there were 5 other quotes but he deleted their comments.
False.  I have only deleted posts from you and one other poster (your sockpuppet that you quoted above).

 i only managed to screen capture one guys posts to then quote later. after you deleted it but i could also count 3 others i was unable to screen capture/quote.
none of them were my sock puppets, and basing the fact that me being able to quote others is simply because my screen capture button is faster then your delete button. not because they are sock puppets of me.

it seems that you have learnt to delete any scam accusers on your own threads this year so that you can keep trying to get the 3BTC-300BTC off of people

Quote from: franky1
and lastly. my personal sentiment..
for a person that dislikes government control, laws and wants a free country with libertarian principles.. coming up with the BS about libel and courts, shows he has no clue. if you wants freedom away from laws and hide behind pseudonyms to grab bitcoins for a real estate project that deals in only FIAT (bitcoins are only useful at project completion). then don't expect laws to then protect you.

from reading his posts (yes i read every post over the many years of this guy)

for a island to be purchased, fiat is needed upfront. and then bitcoins used in the later phases once people on the island want to trade their time for bitcoins. (mega flaw in his plan he did not answer to)

Once again, you are an expert on everyone else's projects, despite having the least clue about them.  None of this is true.  

its easy for you to say substantiate when you fail to offer any information to confirm or deny. this is standard practice of a scammer.

You don't get to just continue to erect endless, fraudulent strawmen for me to have to defend myself against.  Substantiate any one of your claims or shut the fuck up.
i don't have strawmen.. i have my real name which i use for business.. and i have this pseudonym as an out of hours name to seek out projects which can actually help the community. and to also help the community when an obvious scammer is present.

to add to this. your use of the term strawman instantly makes any legal knowledge you pretend to have uncreditble. the term strawmen came about fairly recentlydue to a whole youtube movement of people claiming to be freemen, obeying only the law of the land and not the law or corporate policing/government. it came about as part of the 'aunt sally' term which started in the UK within the last few years. to me it makes you sound more like a youtube anarchist as soon as you used the word strawman.

(back to the 2012 island idea)
that being said. with yourself being the main investor.. why didn't you just buy an island in 2012 and now say.. hey guys i got an island.. lets do this.
answer: becasue you do not have the funding.

and my last point. the 2012 thread you mentioned that any funds given to the http://blockchain.info/address/1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y bitcoin address which if the project did not go through within a timely fashion. you would give the person a refund minus a small admin percentage.

after locking the thread in 2012 many would have expected the funds of 1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y to have been refunded.........
28375  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Official Bitcoin Town Video Thread on: June 22, 2013, 07:16:22 PM
I will also create schematics (of what we plan to do for public buildings and government built housing) and slide shows to go in the documentary, which will be able to be found solo on YouTube as well.

hope you know all the zoning permits and health ans safety stuff to ensure it meets the criteria acceptable to be a government funded building
28376  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Official Bitcoin Town Video Thread on: June 22, 2013, 06:56:53 PM
seriously dude. these last 6 videos are the same "end result" videos as the last 20 videos you made last month........

ok we get your utopian dream of how you want it to be at the end.. even if you are ignoring the endless refilling of generators and the noise polution..

now please stop adding to the uptopian end result with more repeats and start atleast showing HOW IT WILL WORK!
28377  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Official Bitcoin Town Video Thread on: June 22, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
its easy to form an opinion..

purely based on the utopian dream of the 20 minutes you published so far i have found the flaw of the biodesel generators.

imagine the fuel requirements and the amount of times they will need to be refilled just to cover the kilowatts per hour to power all of your plans.

imagine the noise impact they will all cause.

please visit a circus /fairground and listen to the noise of just half a dozen generators when they dont have the music running.. you will soon see your utopia is not the same dream you imagine.

now imagine 1 generator atleast per home to power the tech savvi residents entertainment and business needs. thats atleast 200-500 generators..

oops you want a city. so thats atleast 50,000 residents.. making thousands of generators...
good luck supplying that amount of fuel per day
28378  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Official Bitcoin Town Video Thread on: June 22, 2013, 05:25:20 PM
here we go again finshagy. when do you ever learn you still never talk about the fundamentals..

anyways heres all your fails. please treat this as a learning experience.
video1
A) a town that focuses on bitcoin and youtube
again seeking the main population to be bitcoin entrepreneurs and youtube entertainers. where will all the police, fire, construction, lawyers, nurses, doctors, teachers, etc live
B) 2 miles of land to make a city
a village or a camping area needs more then 2 square miles let alone a city
C) it will also have room for a rural area
read the blue comment of (B) need i say more about your limited land availability
D) we will vote for what peoples land will be used for
well thats one freedom of owning your own land out of the window
E)going to be run like a house where your parents make the rules
well thats two freedom of owning your own land out of the window
F)still under federal as well as state jurisdiction
im glad you learnt something from me from the the last threads about laws you still have to obide by
G)new mexican law as long as you keep to yourself your free..
but if you live in mason town your under parental control lol
H)welfare state
with the majority of paying land owners being business people or in professional jobs. you will need alot of welfare people to work the land. so that means taxes to pay for others who cant afford this project to get a house, land
I)mason town
i am sorry but the 500+ people that are businessmen, and professionals have no connections to your brother and its the 500+ people that will be signing the township agreement. not yourself. so you have no say in its final name. it will be a vote... (if the project ever happened)
J)You will purchase alot of the land to ensure that is possible
as said in (I)townships are not about land ownership. its about population agreements
K) plans for another location in colorado.............
atleast sort out and lern the fundementals of one place before moving onto world domination

video2 - biodeisel
A) 2 square miles for residential/city area. leaves not much land to grow crops to then create biodeisel to power the generators for the residents.
B) generators eat alot of fuel to power lighting, kitchens, TV's, and computer equipment. goodluck having a mining farm of 10 PC's
C) noise polution of generators
D) cost per kilwatt...

video3 - jersey shore
A)more of the 2 square miles taken away from residents for private projects of finshaggy
B)every microphone will be hearing the biodeisel generators more so then the kinky sexual conversations of a bitcoin entrepreneur
C)buying night time slots.. lol infomercials BUY time slots... TV shows GET PAID!! please learn the difference
D) starting off with youtube media centre then making own TV station (so this makes point C a moot point)

video4 - seeds
A) store all of the seeds of the world
2 massive storage vessels dug underground.... by who?? and underneath whos property
B) 18 wheeler trailers
they are called shipping containers, please atleast learn the names of what you need to buy
C)with freezers inside
powered by who's biodeisel

video5 - library
A) progressive, filled with computers
powered by who's biodeisel
B) progressive, filled with computers rigged for mining
have you never heard the fact the GPU mining is nearly dead and ASICS are the future
C) gaming stations
more TV's, games consoles.. well thats multiple generators

at this point i just had to quit watching as finshaggy has not shown any understanding of kilowatts per hour to know how many generators are needed for his utopia, how much fuel will need to be produced to keep them all running and the costs both to the environment and peoples eardrums.. imagine a curcus without the loud music to drown out all of the generator noises. would you want to live here?

finshaggy only has 3BTC to his name.. i cant see him being the main initial land owner. good luck anyone that falls for his or benjamindees bitcoin island.

they have no clue of the fundamentals. they only want to talk about the utopian end result...
28379  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin island bootcamp *scam* on: June 22, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
i have made it free and clear what is required to reduce the chances of being a scam.

ignoring the last paragraph of my last post and emphasising the questions above it

DO NOT TELL ME THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist

lets wait and see how the reply goes
28380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Island/City and More on: June 22, 2013, 02:35:13 PM
ignoring the last paragraph of my last post and emphasising the questions above it

DO NOT TELL ME THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist
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