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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMZ] GetGems - Social Messaging App That Pays - Live on Android and iOS on: October 24, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Pretty good sell Reraise Wink

What is the next step exactly? Are we mainly waiting on Airdrop and hoping that that will hugely increase the user base? Then once that happens, are we hoping advertisers will start buying gems so they can advertise to users?

Do I have that about right?

Also, what is an approximate timeline?

I am a huge supporter and I hold a lot of Gems, so keep in mind these are all friendly questions (I'm just ignorant about what is happening behind the scenes and what to expect in the short to mid-term future)

Thanks!!

Not only the airdrop, there are other things in the works aswell from what i know. You should join the groups in the app its pretty active there, lots of info to gain.

The problem with having the "airdrop" active without the advertising model in place is that the airdrop coins will drive down the price of GEMZ and many will lose interest in the project because of the declining price. The airdrop needs to wait for the ad system IMO.

Think so too, airdrop should be to promote a complete picture / an app with all functionality and features.. Launch airdrops now and you'll be promoting air an idea of what might be.. Lots of people will know about getgems, don't get what they expect and bail which could cause the opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve.. people don't like trying twice, thanks for the gems and see ya.
 


I disagree this project is getting a little long in the tooth. I think many got involved and then walked away over time. I think the Airdrop needs to start ASAP, especially as the advertising platform first needs a large amount of users to be viable and also we don't even know when it can be built, great if it can be done in a couple of months but if its another year say I definitely say we cant wait.

To get a perspective on airdrop and price. Getgems when giving away 1 gems a day was actually giving at least 10,000 gems a day (prob a bit more) so 25,000 isn't going to drastically crash the price. Plus they could always moderate how much the airdrop will be anyway....


My point is we had a bit of a pop when the 1 gems giveaway started and fb likes etc. Its the key to getting more users onboard. Thats the early focus IMO. We got to get the airdrop done and also personally need to use some of these competition winnings for some high profile advertising/articles. $250,000+ could buy an awful lot i expect in some tech online magazines etc...pay some kid with 1 million subscibers on Youtube to profile it etc. This thing is ready to go viral with the airdrop...we need to get going IMO.



342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 21, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
well if everyone actually bought the coin and not at bargain basement prices then maybe we could get a rally on and maintain a more respectable floor price.

Put your money where your mouth is and buy if these coins are gonna be worth 1$ in a year or two....it looks like the low is possibly in.
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 21, 2015, 09:27:00 AM

I'm not saying that it's John's fault... Just saying that to some people it does actually matters that we lost about 78% of the ATH value...

Regards

Goldmaxx

Only ... bought at ATH, so only those lost this %%%
Rest of us dont care what is the price, I am holding and mining this coin for quite long time and will continue to do so. If you are in such trouble you lost 78% from ATH, dont be in this coin, you only want a ride on the top and then sell it.. so forget about it and sell it now, you will be less frustrated.
I agree, long term holders don't complain about temporary market fluctuations. Cool

Thank you for your support.



Which is where the problem lies, many here do think the price will rise a lot at some point but so far I have yet to see a coin make any substantial gains so late into its development. Most coins price peeks are actually within a month or two or release. The ability to say hey our coin is unique is often a narrow window looking at the history of crypto. I hope you guys arent too arrogant or too defensive to miss it....I fear you might already have done honestly.

As long as you guys are happy to hold a great tech that never gets used and gets overlooked then cool....don't let me stop you.
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 21, 2015, 05:07:44 AM
No need to do a code review it speaks for it self and works like a ferrari.

Exactly... but what can you say to nextcointroll on a mission!?!  



Communities need some discernment otherwise they look like a weird bunch of hillbillies who don't like intruders. If there is anything that has a negative impact on a coin it's this.


Talking about a code review is about answering your critics...for holders sake. Not everyone is out to get you...and it's immature assuming everyone is.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, this continues this coin dies just cause everyone gets pissed with the community and it builds up a rep as a hated coin. Qora was trolled to death by NEM and NXT to open source the code and was FUDed it was a clone. It pretty much missed its window of moving up with NXT as a brand new code and by the time it did open source no one cared cause there was 5 other coins which also were new codes. Just dont make this mistake.....another coin could rip VNL off now and everyone could pile into them and leave VNL in the dust. There already are a few people who seem to think they will have a coin that does something similar.
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
I'm not an expert but I would of thought Bitcointalk is actually a perfect place to find an early reviewer. There definitely are some legit coders here who aren't just scammers.

This guy after a minute of looking.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710099.0

coinsolidation ran off on Bitmark, the coin he was developing, after stealing a lot of money.  I believe Bitmark is still being developed from a takeover by community members but not 100% certain.  He is not close to capable of the coding John is.

Even before Zerotime, a thorough review of Vanillacoin could not have been done by anyone here, and zerotime added many lines of code.

It sounds like I'm talking him up too much, but there really just isn't anyone competent here except for John.


Well I guess that's a good problem. Smiley

But surely you don't need to be a genius to understand the work of one. Just to throw another random name out this guy helped out Qora....I do believe this forum has some talented people though conflicts of interest makes it tricky for sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44572

346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 08:02:08 PM


I dont see why a review has to cost that much and even if it is flawed it a start to get the ball rolling.  



Because complex projects/code needs complex reviews from competent people. I support the idea of a review, but people should find someone who fits the needs and not just find someone for the sake of hype. If the community is able to find someone who we can trust and is well recognised I'm all up for the idea.

I think a price rise with the future release of DarkPP and some changes that will make Vanillacoin scale even better will make it possible for us to gather a bigger sum on a crowdfunding. Also I feel that node incentives will have a healthy effect on the long-term price (which we might not sense just yet).


I know many are looking toward Dark++ as a kick start to VNL but they might be disappointed...it may at best just produce a short pump and another flood of destructive FUD. I don't see how you can build and market a feature like anominity when of everyone thinks the coin is a scam already and expect a positive result..


One thing I learnt from QORA is great tech doesn't win.....convincing others something is great tech wins.
347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 07:59:08 PM
I'm not an expert but I would of thought Bitcointalk is actually a perfect place to find an early reviewer. There definitely are some legit coders here who aren't just scammers.

This guy after a minute of looking.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710099.0
348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Here's this guy earlz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317881

As far as I know he does coin code reviews here on donation basis.

Tried him early on (March 3), Vanillacoin is too different from Bitcoin for him to review.  He wasn't even sure where to start and wouldn't give me a quote.  He just glances at a few things in clones and says if the tiny amount of changes they made will cause any problems.

And again,

Poloniex did a code review.  That's why Vanillacoin is the only coin other than Bitcoin to require only 1 confirmation on Poloniex.  You can test this by going here: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnCurrencies and searching for minconf":1,"

You'll get two results, which will be Vanillacoin and Bitcoin.

Also, I've typed something similar to this 10+ times already.  Inform others please.  Thank you


Ok fair enough on this particular guy but if Polinex did a 'code review' for nothing then you would think someone would be willing who is trustworthy and wont ask for a million bucks surely???



349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 07:44:23 PM
Here's this guy earlz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317881

As far as I know he does coin code reviews here on donation basis.



I messaged him and asked if he would do one. It's a start I guess. It's the communities responsibility to do this, we don't need to bother JC, he has done the work it's not his role to justify his open source material it's others.


Maybe a small Bitcoin fund can be gathered by someone trustworthy in the VNL community. Of course a review could make the price drop but if he finds it legit then it's actually in everyone's best interest to chip a little in. And look if you don't want to support one then let others do so. I'm sure some would prefer to gather more cheap but there are the kind of people who are happy to FUD the coin for their self interests. But I see no reason for those who want this to make it happen.

He isn't competent in this field see pseudonymdude's comment above. He is only knowledged with bitcoin clones. Bitcointalk isn't the place to find a competent review because any good developer would have an agenda and be biased towards their own interest or projects. Problem is (I already explained this on IRC) that any good and recognised cryptographer or P2P system developer would ask for a way higher sum compared to what the community could throw together at these price levels. Imagine the average hourly/weekly pay of a really good specialist in this field and the amount of time needed to review the amount of code (and complexity of it) put down by John.


Ok but where is a solution to the problem that VNL could be the most amazing coin ever made but no one believes in the tech and it dies on the vine? I mean eventually someone else will steal just enough of JC's ideas to make their coin and and not look like it was a direct steal. I see that happening in the next year.


I dont see why a review has to cost that much and even if it is flawed it a start to get the ball rolling. 

350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 07:13:40 PM
Here's this guy earlz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317881

As far as I know he does coin code reviews here on donation basis.



I messaged him and asked if he would do one. It's a start I guess. It's the communities responsibility to do this, we don't need to bother JC, he has done the work it's not his role to justify his open source material it's others.


Maybe a small Bitcoin fund can be gathered by someone trustworthy in the VNL community. Of course a review could make the price drop but if he finds it legit then it's actually in everyone's best interest to chip a little in. And look if you don't want to support one then let others do so. I'm sure some would prefer to gather more cheap but there are the kind of people who are happy to FUD the coin for their self interests. But I see no reason for those who want this to make it happen.
351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 20, 2015, 05:56:54 PM
Code reviews pointed out the fact that it wasn't built from the ground up as John claimed.
Not a single code review (that indicates this) has ever surfaced. Trying to manipulate the market with non-facts (again), nice... Cool

Thanks you for your support.



So why hasn't there been one? There is one thing being cool and not caring what people think bit there is another thing completely throwing the success of a coin under a bus. Prove critics wrong, community should be the better man....or woman...and pay for one.

I Truely can't think of a better FU than buying tons at this low and then laughing your asses off when the price explodes when a peer review shows the coin is unique.
352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ***Public Warning Message*** Do Not Trust MrPump on: October 20, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Let's get this friken clear cause I can't believe Bitcointalk has drifted to the low it has.


You are saying someone called MrPump is not trustworthy......well color me surprised. I think the clue was in the name.


Bitcointalk RIP...
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMZ] GetGems - Social Messaging App That Pays - Live on Android and iOS on: October 19, 2015, 05:43:45 AM
I know it might seem a bit unlikely but we need to get someone one in the right area to promote and mention Getgems as a tool that 'democratises' social media. The first person that came to mind who has a big online following of the people group that might use it and has shown some interest in crypto is Russel Brand. He is very into the idea of people sharing the profits in a company so Getgems is bascially that. Personal I find his ideas too communist sounding but something like this if put in front of someone like that could get behind the concept possibly. Maybe just posting on his YouTube shows might succeed. Long shot I know but still worth a shot maybe?
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 11, 2015, 02:39:54 PM
Since when has an online game been part of the project?

One darknet application? Does this mean darknet++ or something else? I don't know what a darkness application even would be?




355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 MANDATORY UPD | Node Incentives | ZeroTime on: October 04, 2015, 04:27:06 AM

your instincts are to simply attack anyone who doesn't agree with your community rather than try to listen to what they are saying. I never said VNL was the same in terms of tech. The issue is if a coin is allowed to die on the vine by a community too stubborn or arrogant or both to address concerns for a coin then it doesn't actually have a right to expect anyone to buy it.

Simple, get a peer review, show you don't need to hide. Cause if you don't soon you will look like you hiding. Communities make or break a coin, please tell me there is a sane person here that gets the coin needs to answer critics with a peer review and then we can move on.

It's open source, how could you hide anything? Also everything will come with time, currently this is a beta software with continuous development. Marketing/promotions will come when it's ready (DarkPP,etc.).

I can't say anything for QORA since I don't know it, but we are progressing steadily.



What would the community have against a peer review?

VNL IS claiming quite a significant jump in tech so get a peer review and be above reproach. VNL is still very undervalued and this is due I think to the ability of FUD to stick at the moment cause of this lack of review.
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 MANDATORY UPD | Node Incentives | ZeroTime on: October 02, 2015, 05:38:49 PM
I'll post this one more time.


I went through this exactly the same with Qora. The tech was amazing, the developer was seen as a genius and the community just stuck their head in the sands until eventually the coin is regarded as crap even though its as good as ETH, NXT and NEM combined.





Coins have a sell by date and VNL is running out. This community IF they want their coins not to be worthless and unable to even sell due to low vol forever need to listen up, and listen good.



This community NEEDS to meet FUD of the coin with a peer review of the coin. This will completely cancel out any FUD that has destroyed the price....

I won't warn you guys again, arrogance was what killed Qora...it can kill this coin too..I warned you.


I'm not sure why you compare VNL with QORA:

a) First major flaw - "no PoW no WoW" © ocminer


b) It started with unsustainable marketcap for a brand new coin.


c) and the final nail in the coffin

In my opinion it is more accurate to compare QORA with NEM or Vice versa, but not with VNL. Also, as far as I know, QORA dev has left the ship.





your instincts are to simply attack anyone who doesn't agree with your community rather than try to listen to what they are saying. I never said VNL was the same in terms of tech. The issue is if a coin is allowed to die on the vine by a community too stubborn or arrogant or both to address concerns for a coin then it doesn't actually have a right to expect anyone to buy it.

Simple, get a peer review, show you don't need to hide. Cause if you don't soon you will look like you hiding. Communities make or break a coin, please tell me there is a sane person here that gets the coin needs to answer critics with a peer review and then we can move on.
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 MANDATORY UPD | Node Incentives | ZeroTime on: October 02, 2015, 06:36:30 AM
I'll post this one more time.


I went through this exactly the same with Qora. The tech was amazing, the developer was seen as a genius and the community just stuck their head in the sands until eventually the coin is regarded as crap even though its as good as ETH, NXT and NEM combined.





Coins have a sell by date and VNL is running out. This community IF they want their coins not to be worthless and unable to even sell due to low vol forever need to listen up, and listen good.



This community NEEDS to meet FUD of the coin with a peer review of the coin. This will completely cancel out any FUD that has destroyed the price....

I won't warn you guys again, arrogance was what killed Qora...it can kill this coin too..I warned you.



358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 MANDATORY UPD | Node Incentives | ZeroTime on: October 01, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
wonders if he is being purposely ignored...
359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.7 MANDATORY UPD | Node Incentives | ZeroTime on: October 01, 2015, 08:05:40 AM
Look people......lets play the game they want to play.




The only thing people can FUD VNL with is saying its not legit and saying something works isn't enough.


So I ask that the community get VNL peer reviewed....play their game and be holding as much as we can when we do it...



Why wouldn't we if we are confident?
360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMZ] GetGems - Social Messaging App That Pays - Live on Android and iOS on: September 19, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
Where are we at in the project......seems pretty dormant at the moment?
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