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interested!
Sent 0.005btc from 1NsEfDF2xMVtgNEXeAt5PsBPshPVk7BhoU
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Please end the IPO! Only new created accounts investing now -> multiple listings to the same people...  Yup. This crypto is completely failing its purpose. Ya, please end the IPO. New accounts are created on a daily basis. Or else make a criteria of applying  A 10 post count thats all you need.... |
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That's different Charles, I'm looking forward to seeing your responses! I even plan to invest in Ethereum, if our questions will be addressed openly and honestly and if the IPO/lauch/inflationary conditions will be changed to more fair terms for us investors. I will try as hard as I can. Ethereum is not for everyone, but I think it brings both a wonderful set of innovations to this space and also a very attract value proposition to speculators. I hope you can enjoy one or both. Ultimately, we will be spending a lot of time communication our goals, vision and the core aspects of Ethereum to as many people as possible. The difficulty is that our infrastructure wasn't setup to receive 1,000s of emails, over a hundred pages of forum threads and all the other communications within a two week spread. We were even in Wired http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/ethereum/. I make a promise that we will work harder and hopefully get everything sorted out in a few weeks max. As for the fundraiser, innovation requires fuel and thus we'll make sure we get to it as soon as we can as well. Our goal is to be as fair and equitable as possible. Thanks Charles for your answer. I personally find the idea behind Ethereum ingenius. I want to believe in it. Now I feel that we'll get answers to our concerns from the Ethereum team. I hope that Goldman Sachs is not involved. Without making a poll I suppose 80% of the forum members think that GS is responsible for lot of bad things in this world and we don't want a crpyto which GS has a finger in it. So you'll be happier and compliant once you can hear a slick employed PR mouth piece to make all your concerns seem silly. Some people deserve what they get IMO... |
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Oh, am I? Why would you work upon a crypto currency project and use the brand of a major bank to add trustworthiness to your project? Could you explain why putting the name of Goldman Sachs behind a project like Ethereum is a good thing? I'm ready to learn from you.
I'm not trying to school you. You make up your own mind. If you're in finance, in any way, you've probably worked for one of the big guys if you're smart. They tend to hire the best, and the the ones that go to the top are probably not very good people but excellent at what they do. If anything, if these guys didn't go into management at Goldman Sachs, they're probably not bad guys. Take Snowden for example, worked for the NSA, was unhappy with what happened there, and left. My question is: Would you have preferred Charles lie about the past work experience of people involved? They have as much right to be involved in cryptocurrency as anyone here. For me the issue is not that a few of those involved worked at Goldman Sachs but simply how involved were Goldman Sachs involved in pulling this coin together. Personally I would at least want some clarification who masterminded this team to come together cause looking at the team I'm guessing they didn't just happen to be at the Pub one night. It looks too polished and diverse to be a natural gathering of people, someone clearly brought this team together and that is what I would like to know more about. And your right working at Goldman doesn't always mean your a dick even if you are very talented. |
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Sorry but this meme is not qualified. I don't understand how it is related to NEM. Its wasn't a stake meme... |
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Can the 'no envy movement' part get dropped? too hippyish, imo
agree, it's ok when we fundraise but why hinder it's development after. it comes across as charity rather than a legitimate coin. It's just a thought but what about changing NEM as well. The only reason is we might be able to come up with a more exciting name rather than looking like a NXT clone....which of course it is but still.. What happened to "New Economy Movement"? I thought that sounded awesome. yeah that bit is nice.....like the idea of being part of going against the status quo and corrupt financial world. |
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Can the 'no envy movement' part get dropped? too hippyish, imo
agree, it's ok when we fundraise but why hinder it's development after. it comes across as charity rather than a legitimate coin. It's just a thought but what about changing NEM as well. The only reason is we might be able to come up with a more exciting name rather than looking like a NXT clone....which of course it is but still.. |
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Only about a gorillion puppet accounts. Seems fair enough.
So true. They cry about NXT, and here seems that someone is going to get >50% coins with puppet accounts. Sounds legit... we should try to pprevent this somehow - unfortunately I noticed now bitcointalk enables everyone to post anything right from the beginning. But if we close the thread somehow for people who has less than X (eg 30) posts at first, some people could be unhappy and at second in long term it will not help much. we should make an obligation to fullfill something funny, like make a viral video on youtube about coin etc. Why don't you lead the way and do a funny video I mean you shouldn't be exempt just because you already happen to be the user of a forum. Which is ultimately what you are saying. |
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I think that would be unfair. I registered on the forum after lurking for a while specifically to join the NEM. Is it my fault that I'm not a seasoned "crypto enthusiast"? I already missed the boat on bitcoin, dogecoin, nxt... and now you suggest this 'fair' condition that once again would leave me out? not cool im wondering if there should have been a cutoff as in a date to get in on genesis block distribution. As in, only accounts that were made by a certain date could access the IPO. Make that date be like the date of post 1 of this thread.
Ditto, I have been a lurker here since last Summer. |
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im wondering if there should have been a cutoff as in a date to get in on genesis block distribution. As in, only accounts that were made by a certain date could access the IPO. Make that date be like the date of post 1 of this thread.
hell, maybe even go so far as to say those accounts even had to have a certain activity level.
this way, they distribution would still be "much much more "fair" than nxt"
and sock puppet accts would be minimized a great deal. I have no doubt there are tons of sock puppets in on here even
Hi my plan is to bring a lot of people relatively new to crypto scene into this. I will start a media campaign soon and the goal is to have at least one major newspaper to cover NEM. The idea is that when some people read the article and get interested, they go to nem website and this front page, they should be able to make one account and reserve a stake with ease. I am looking for a fiat-Nem gateway especially for this. Fiat-Nem gateway is not an exchange; it will operate until the fundraising over. Basically what the gateway will do is to collect fiat via Paypal and send NXT, BTC to nem's account. Mark-up is up the gateway operator. This gateway will be included in the front page with 1 dev stake included. Can Peercover do this with ease ? Need to have a foolproof gateway before our campaign begins. Bounties for nemcoin sites are still open. Very good deal I must say but I need quality web designer. I will wait a couple of days to get these sites up but if no one takes it we can still ahead with the media campaign; but the gateway is a must. Can't afford new people go away because they cannot send their money it. One new person to crypto is good for NEM and good for the whole industry. Crypto revolution should include many people not just this forum veterans. There are already several newbie accounts coming from our Reddit page We have to accept some puppet socket accounts because we cannot ban genuine newbie accounts to get in with us since they are the people we want in. Thanks to EvilDave, I just change several wording in the front page and I feel the wordings are much more professional now. I have used Peercover a lot for buying XRP, they were a massive hassle honestly. If they have their credit card system up and running it's great though but 80% of the time it wouldn't work? they still need you to give id like passport scan etc! it's not very anonymous...PayPal would be easiest if you can go under their radar for a short time. ****Here's an idea for you. Why not ask people to donate a small amount of money to charity and prove they have done so with a phone photo of something more low tech. It's not like the money sent to you adds up to much anyway...maybe a few will be willing to send a donation for this as well if needed, kind of a community pot, keep the idea of sharing and helping others as part of positive theme of NEM and all Cryptos. |
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Dude if all the accounts are owned by exactly one person per account or a few people opened multiple accounts it makes no difference to your one stake. You will get around 1m, whatever people do that's why its not worth envying others and just be grateful you have this opportunity.
You obviously didn't understand the criticism. If this coin is modeled on fairness how is it fair that some people can claim more stake than others? It doesn't matter that the amount of stake doesn't change. The fact is if someone gets 20x stake, his value is 20x that of mine. I get 1 million and some unethical person gets 20 million? it also devalues the value of everyones stake. If we have 3000 stakes but only 2000 users then we have lowered the value (inflated) our stake by 50% Isn't that quite obvious? Every single fake account devalues your stake. That is so painfully simple I can't explain it any more straightforward. No it's actually you that doesn't understand the unfairness that people objected to with NXT, ie access. Only a small number of people were allowed or get in early. The point with this is anyone who wants can easily get involved. And it's you that doesn't understand the maths, 1m is 1m who ever owns the rest. 4,000 is a hell of a lot of accounts even if some are multiple ones. Even in mining you have someone with bigger rigs than other people, but this way the coins are spread pretty thinly and everyone who is interested can buy in. I got a friend of mine involved today on FB, if he couldn't open an account it would only be for seasoned Bitcoiners like, well yourself probably, is that fair? Let the chips fall and let everyone go for it and don't envy and enjoy your 1 million coins for the price of a hamburger for crying out loud. |
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This is bullshitff455047c6e0403a804ec402a8b2d4f75b46f64d33323b153c7ee5daa2ce2045
0.008btc
I am going to reduce your stakes to one account only if you continue claiming NEM stakes this way. ok, I will stop. sockpuppet_5 was already posted, sorry. You have specifically allowed multiple claims so I did not think I was doing anything wrong. Too tired to think of groovy forum names today. But I have not done anything wrong!! This is unfair!! Look at all the accounts with 1 -5 posts in this thread. There are dozens of sockpuppet accounts, just like mine, but you are banning me based on my choice of "account name" - that is acting like a dictator IMO. The only problem with me is I chose a account names that you don't like, and you ban me!. DICTATOR behaviour. Please reconsider. I am a genuine person interested in NEM. These accounts are for people in my family. I chose names that are easy to remember. You can't make up the rules as you go along. It appears sockpuppet accounts are OK, but we have to conceal them. Sorry I made that statement too quickly, so when I think about it you are probably right. I posted your case here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=678 . Let's see what the community has to say. Thank you for reconsidering! I assure you the 5 accounts are for the 5 people in my family. In retrospect my use of 'sockpuppet' was unnecessarily provocative, but I honestly did not intend that. As long as I've been using forums I've referred to, 2nd and 3rd accounts as 'sockpuppets', and I was very tired when I registered those names, and that's what I called them. They're easy to remember, but I can see it was silly now. Thanks again for showing flexibility of thought. I support NEM! You could have at least attempted to do things fairly by limiting stake to accounts created over a week ago, limiting multiple buy-ins, simple taint analysis (scan address list for duplicates) etc, etc. Maybe you are only interested in the pledged btc/nxt and not the success of NEM? At this rate we will have a lot of users with 20-100x stake in NEM at launch. Yes, imagine fairness indeed. A fair coin is moderated by the people. If you ask the people, no one wants people to be able to buy in multiple times (except those who have bought in multiple times). Dude if all the accounts are owned by exactly one person per account or a few people opened multiple accounts it makes no difference to your one stake. You will get around 1m, whatever people do that's why its not worth envying others and just be grateful you have this opportunity. |
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Did spread some word too. Next week is my sons birthday so we will have a small family party.
I will announce that I have created several NXT accounts for them, something I wanted to do a while ago already and that I transfered amounts of
equvalent 25, 50 and 100 USD in NXT.
In addition I will announce that all of them take part in NEM too.
These are the accounts that sent fee of 80 NXT:
17590477386098340083
2717278220125207230
12661008007105420190
17172104963015703320
6038790433375254174
4178383971209817285
5137893641992197966
7635881133064869098
Not sure where this is going but sounds interesting.
Will add signatures promptly.
Have you not enough with your over 2 million Nxt Coins?
Do not give me fairy tales my dearThis is your Nxt Account : 10707482695518048392 That looks a lot like Envy to me... |
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I'm in!!
sent 0.0095 BTc from my Cryptsy account as they have a min withdrawl of 0.01 minus the charge. Sent at 2014-01-26 18:09:21
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