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361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Can the pope save Trump? on: May 22, 2017, 05:34:50 PM
Kirch,

I will be as diplomatic as I can be. Trump conscience is his own. Every human was gifted with free will to decide for himself. Most importantly, what counts are actions, not empty words.

Trump, while perhaps agnostic himself reversed many destructive policies of previous heathens in White House. See for yourself:

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Also reinstating right of christians to endorse political leaders, lifting decades old ban on free speech. Where were the catholics for all these years?

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Finally getting support of christian groups across United States, best represented by Mike Pence at the moment. MP doesnt just talk about scripture like Pope does, he lives by it.

He did all of that in couple of months in the office. What exactly can a catholic Pope leading corrupt organization teach him? What did Pope do for christians so far? He often backs marxist communists and islamists, who hate christians and Europeans with passion. Prefering his own high moral ground before well being of the faithful. He stood up to Trump, sure, somebody, who actually backed christians from agnostic position. Hardly something Francis should be proud of...

362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seasteading on: May 22, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
BADecker,

perphaps you need some time to copy and paste less and think more. You have no alternative to a society you currently live in. You, yourself a christian. This seasteading, if succesfull will put you and many others among non-believing sharks. You talk about new start, but only thing you will manage to do is raising new walls.

Because you were too weak, to live in society you were part of and not strong enough to form a new one.

Sure, lets talk about bitcoin, weed, 3d printing and arming everyone (how many of those concepts are even your own?). That will make for great fundamentals of a new culture.

I will pray for you.
363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 22, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

Precisely, thank you, Dwayne.

Guys, your ideals of communism will never work out - not because some evil conspiracy, but because they simply ignore human nature. Give poor person *free* (aka paid for by somebody else) money and what he will do? Make more poor people in his wake. You cant solve all world issues through money printing, however tempting that might be.

Educating said poor on how to properly accumulate wealth and stay prudent would certainly help immensely, but thats not what your proposing here, is it? Education needs cooperation of the one being educated. Yet, we see less and less of that even among formerly affluent westerners. Who these days blame conspiracies, "niggers", christians, illuminati, ie. anybody but themselves for that fact, that they lost sight of faith, work ethics and prudence, that made their forefathers rich in the first place.

Socialists need a mirror, that they cant ignore, not more tools for wealth redistribution.

Tss...
How to explain you in a simple way that you're wrong?

Ok let's see this: France is historically the most socialist country in Europe and probably the most socialist country in the civilized world.
Still we have a birthrate of only 1.99 which is under the renewable birthrate.

Moreove to put it simply:
Not socialism = inequalities will only rise
Socialism = inequalities are a bit soften by the state redistributing wealth.

I don't understand what you're against in socialism. You don't want people to pay taxes? Then it means you'd rather let people die than pay for their health? Because you do understand that people can't pay for important cure like cancer right? Even if they work hard...

France? The country with massive debts and security of third world nations?

Let me ask you one simple question. What are you doing on Bitcointalk forum, making profit taking all the risk on yourself while aswell keeping the said profit for yourself? How does that conform to your socialistic views and wealth redistribution, when you are not giving all your bitcoins to the French republic?

I am a christian. I will help others to my best knowledge. Because I believe it is right thing to do, something that make us different from mere animals, not because of fear of state authorities or worse, because I reduced all the problems of human existence to green papers.

Free health care for everybody? Sure, lets have a talk about it, we might find a common ground. But dont you dare to force me pay for it at knife point, you are not a God and neither is your corrupt, broken state.
364  Other / Meta / Re: How to become full_Member? on: May 22, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
Im newbie in this forum, and i never be in forum before,  also i just want to learn more about bitcoin from you guys,
i want to become full member,
what should i do to become full_Member on this forum??

Just keep your cool and be patient, when making your posts here.

Every two weeks your activity will go up, granted that you will be posting new content. Full member have activity of 120, if I am not mistaken. That translates into four months of posting now and then. It is actually well thought out system the way I see it, promoting people, who are part of the community.

Hope that helps. And welcome.
365  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seasteading on: May 22, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
Hmm..a small boat with guns. How cute.

When every seasteader has their own 3D printed guns of choice...good luck.

Thats your resolution of conflict between those who have and have nots?

Arm everybody? Ive heard about such story before.



Perhaps, you will have to one day grow up and realize you are not special snowflake in a vacuum but human being and part of society. Otherwise, I see very little reason to exchange tyranny of atheistic, socialistic governments for tyranny of sea steading atheists, who believe in the survival of the fittest. More likely than not, they are not "fittest" either. If they were, they wouldnt seek refuge outside of society in the first place.
366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 22, 2017, 01:23:48 PM
So is it an attempt to stop the User activated fork getting traction ?

yes, because the period from august 2017 to november 2017 is the enforced period for Segwit ... not the LOCK period.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0148.mediawiki

so Segwit2Mb is a trap.
they want introduce the 2Mb before SegWit LOCK.

So the folks who want 2Mb don't trust the SegWit people not to break away after SegWit is locked and block a later block size increase?

Sounds understandable given the emotionalism on this issue. It would be very disruptive to activate SegWit and then deactivate it before LOCK. Seems unlikely the miners would do this. It seems far more likely that the SegWit folks would increase their opposition to a block size increase to 2 Mb once they already have what they want.

I am not understanding why this is not a reasonable roadmap forward.

This roadmap is a new era in bitcoins history.
Soon 2200 USD, today!
Some people just do not want bitcoin to evolve.



I am more interested where will the next correction lead us. 1550 USD/BTC is the floor for now? I think its realistic to say, that we will reach atleast 4000 dollars per bitcoin during this summer, however there will be more bumps along the road, where bitcoin takes deep breath before rising again.

Just my two cents. Seeing proper attempts at technical analysis is rare these days, not the least for the fact, that everyone but to the moon people gets bullied into silence.
367  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 22, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

Precisely, thank you, Dwayne.

Guys, your ideals of communism will never work out - not because some evil conspiracy, but because they simply ignore human nature. Give poor person *free* (aka paid for by somebody else) money and what he will do? Make more poor people in his wake. You cant solve all world issues through money printing, however tempting that might be.

Educating said poor on how to properly accumulate wealth and stay prudent would certainly help immensely, but thats not what your proposing here, is it? Education needs cooperation of the one being educated. Yet, we see less and less of that even among formerly affluent westerners. Who these days blame conspiracies, "niggers", christians, illuminati, ie. anybody but themselves for that fact, that they lost sight of faith, work ethics and prudence, that made their forefathers rich in the first place.

Socialists need a mirror, that they cant ignore, not more tools for wealth redistribution.
368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 22, 2017, 12:33:21 PM

Thanks Criptyx.

Simple explanation of a complex theory.

But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.

Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.

Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.

Not like it would be the first or second time.

By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?


Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.


Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.



You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.

You all mask ignorance with arrogance. You lack humility, thats why I called you out for being insecure and you are proving me right.

369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: May 22, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Well, in my country unfortunately have many religions, in all religions that are in my country those who are in the top, I say the bosses have money and a very comfortable life. But believers have nothing, they are disposable people.

That is the basic rule of modern religion. Religion was invented by intelligent people, so that they could enslave and exploit the retards. Here, the clergy is of the former type, and the followers are of the latter type.

I think you are incredibly disrespectful to some of the most prominent men of science today. Jordan Peterson for example is number one free speech advocate in Canada - fighting SJWs and overt communists all the time in the media - yet he is deeply religious person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFcn775CqAg

The thing is, he understands that science explains inner working of natural phenomena, not how human beings should treat said phenomena or each other.

Modern science is only 500 years old, so saying that all the "truth" is contained only within it is tantamount to saying that thousands of previous generations were either liars or living a lie. Seeing how many "atheists" fail to explain something as basic as gravitational pull, I am sceptical it will ever provide worthy alternative.
370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World War 3 on: May 22, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
Nato didnt need to waste one bullet to destroy the UdSSR sithara you wannabe commie.

Where is the udssr now hu?

Fact.

You know, it would be splendid, if we could stop name calling and returned to the premise of the thread (with was started by simpleton to begin with).

Personally, I dont see, medium term, window for yet another "war to end all wars". Russians/Chinese understand, that its costs would outweight any possible benefits and westerners... these days lack even common ethos, that would motivate them to fight a prolonged war.

If we are talking about global conflict, look at growth of muslim countries - but those wont fight directly with nukes either. They simply lack industrial base needed for modern warfare, therefore they instead chose trench warfare via creeping sharia law dismantling secular institutions and vastly superior demographics next to secular, atomized west.

Communism is the worst shit ever and you should call it out as what it is...

Yes, communism is absolutely vile ideology - and Russians unlike corrupted european governments actually publicly denounced and dismantled it  Wink current system of the country is far closer to pre-communist Tsarist system, mixing nationalism and religion of forefathers.

Mecca of communism today is in Brussels, not in Moscow... to my shock.
371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World War 3 on: May 22, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
Nato didnt need to waste one bullet to destroy the UdSSR sithara you wannabe commie.

Where is the udssr now hu?

Fact.

You know, it would be splendid, if we could stop name calling and returned to the premise of the thread (with was started by simpleton to begin with).

Personally, I dont see, medium term, window for yet another "war to end all wars". Russians/Chinese understand, that its costs would outweight any possible benefits and westerners... these days lack even common ethos, that would motivate them to fight a prolonged war.

If we are talking about global conflict, look at growth of muslim countries - but those wont fight directly with nukes either. They simply lack industrial base needed for modern warfare, therefore they instead chose trench warfare via creeping sharia law dismantling secular institutions and vastly superior demographics next to secular, atomized west.
372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you feel about the death penalty? on: May 22, 2017, 11:15:11 AM
I believe that the death penalty may reduce the crime rate and create a sense fear in criminals

Yes. This will significantly reduce the level of crime and in the streets will become safer. Now they have nothing to fear and they feel permissiveness.

Not many of the world nations have re-introduced death penalty after once removing or banning it. But in countries where the death penalty was abolished very recently (such as South Africa) there is a noticeable spike in the number of violent crimes.

Reintroducion of capital punishment is formality. Only countries under prolonged influence of western secular liberals abolished this form of justice. Recovering countries such as Russia and Turkey already turned pro again with respect to wishes of general population aswell as common moral compass provided by faith.

Others will follow as desecularization in the west itself gains momentum. The point of capital punishment is not prevention (thats what activism is for), but justice, where crimes against nature were commited.
373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 22, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Oil money is easy money. Most petro-states are extremely religious. If you want free money you'd better keep your women in line, or else suffer the consequences.

The top producer of crude oil and natural has in the world (Russia) is a moderately religious nation. The same goes for many other nations, such as Angola, Venezuela, Equatorial Guinea, Mexico, and Kazakhstan.

I warn you of argumentum ad reductum. Yes, Russia and Kazachstan are moderately religious countries - recovering after decades of brutal communist dictatorship, that left immense spiritual vacuum in its place. African countries on the other hand were properly formed only in the past century. Nation building takes many generations.

On the opposite end you have countries such as Norway or Canada, which were build from ground up by men with deeply instilled protestant work ethics, neither of those countries was subject to destructive political turbulence. Today, neither Canada or Norway is very religious, but you dont see them progressing economically or demographically either. They are at their apex.

374  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are you doomed if you are not tech savvy? on: May 21, 2017, 05:54:33 PM
QYY
I am relatively new to this whole crypto thing. I'm still strugling to understand a shitload of info, terms and generally the way this industry works. Are majority of you guys here of IT background?
Is it possible to fully educate yourself and understand crypto technology if you are not dev/programmer?

I am not entirely sure, what you are asking about. As your question in the title of the thread is completely disconnected from the one in your OP post.

Cryptocurrency is a tool, that you can but dont have to choose. You can use it to your advantage even without understanding ins and outs of it, just like you use your smarthphone, bank account or automobile. It is a tool, not and end in and of itself.

I wouldnt be suprised at all, if some of the most profitable traders here barely knew how to turn on computer. Leaving tech stuff to IT crowd, while they focus on profit.

My question meant if its possible to be a good investor/trader of cryptos if you are not an IT guy. I cant see how someone with very limited knowledge can spot the pros and cons of cryptos and understand the underlying technology of various cryptos. If somebody has never turned on a computer ( metaphorically speaking) than based on which indicators would he make any desicion.
As I pointed out earlier, it's not hard to find out more.  For investing and trading, all you need to understand is a reasonable amount of basic terminology so that you can understand discussions about fundamental analysis and news articles.

Cryptocurrencies are largely a speculative investment, and most of the cryptocurrency that people hold is not going to be spend on actual transactions.  

To a lesser extent, this even applies to Bitcoin.  Therefore it's a gold mine for chartists and "technical analysis" types.  If you're good at fiat investments and are good at trading other volatile investments like penny stocks, you'll be good at trading cryptocurrencies.

Precisely, many traders see bitcoin just as another penny stock in its growth period. Sending money to exchange and securing their account being the most challenging tasks for them.

If, I were you, Id invest time into researching investing basics, sir. Technical and fundamental analysis, finabocci lines, eliot waves etc. There are some really smart guys even on this board, who are willing to share their knowledge and experience with you. Without fee.
375  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Old Guys Dances With A Sword In Saudi Arabia - Donald Trump Shows His Best on: May 21, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
President Donald Trump and his team dances with a sword in Saudi Arabia welcome ceremony shows old guys dancing together in completely different cultural environment.  Even as quest Donald looks very upset during the sword dance in fact. Obama looked much better in his foreign visits. See good quality video here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4525766/Trump-takes-traditional-Saudi-sword-dance.html.

You are truly pitiful. Does Obamas approach look good in the world of cucks? Getting barely noticed by feudal overlords?

Comparison of the two:



In fact the only reason for the sword dance was that, unlike Obama, Trump is respected and even feared by Saudis. As he should as United States president in feudal theocracy. Who is the alpha here, please feel welcome to tell me. I dare you.



First lady comparison:

376  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 21, 2017, 05:07:38 PM

@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).

I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".

@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.

It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
No i am saying that god never made this earth..
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..

Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.

I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.

Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.

After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
So your god is falling ?..

i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..

Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..

Haha OK so you're trolling, I get it. Your last line did make me chuckle actually  Cheesy

No, firstly it's not my god. Secondly, the god that I speculated is not falling, it makes things fall. There's a difference.

Thirdly, if I was impressed by the idea that god was the force of gravity, then think of my reaction when I saw magnets defy the force of gravity!

If God = Gravity, then Magnets = Satan  Grin

Its funny, that when "atheists" try to explain natural phenomena to each other, they quickly fall back to christian iconography  Grin

And where is the rest? The antimatter? The source of life? The source of energy? The source of time? You might end up with full blown hinduistic pantheon of bigger and lesser gods like this. Good luck with your sophistic exercise, though. Mind should be busy.
377  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you feel about the death penalty? on: May 21, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
I feel sad because for me there are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for.

I used to believe that that is true, though there are crimes that will I think warrant the death penalty. Even before, heinous crimes that gets more and more horrible can't be subjected to redemption. It can be argued that death penalty can't resolve these types of crimes but neither can keeping the criminals alive to torment the victim's families. Rarely do we see regret from these demented people who commit these crimes and might as well just put them out for good


A life for a life, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.



Death penalty is not so cruel when you experience or see what people do to other people, it may be rape or a murder. It's complicated every murder doesn't deserve death penalty, it depends on how it was done.

I believe the point of contention is right here, you have touched it.

Death penalty by itself should be expression of justice where the Nature itself was violated. Murdering another human being in pre-planned fashion for personal gain is just one such occurence. The line "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" comes from fifth book of Old Testament. Deutronomium.

Point of capital punishment is not therefore prevention (as all human beings are gifted with free will - even to do evil) nor revenge. Its justice where nothing else can absolve the guilty individual of stain and where the only one authorized to forgive him is his very victim.

I fully condone death penalty and I think it should be a must. Keeping alive people who are no good for the society, and waste products on them, is detrimental for the human population because we're growing at far too large numbers and someone needs to put a stop to it.

Take everyone's life who committed a bigger crime and don't even put a question mark on it. It is the only thing that does justice to the victims and the human specie.

Eugenics is the answer. People need to understand or face extinction.

Eugenics is practiced by human beings every time they choose partner and every time they choose to either respect or violate natural order. No earthly government has the authority to do that instead of the people (in fact we can see very much the opposite as welfare system promotes procreation of the weakest in body and mind). Otherwise we agree on the fact, that this is justice.
378  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Recognising Australia’s first peoples ... properly on: May 21, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Yes, about time they gave some credit and respect to the native people of the continent. However it seems not enough considering they basically stole their land, and it sounds more like a way to lure in more tourists.

You should watch less of Avatar and Dance with wolves and use common sense more. You cannot steal "land" from under somebody, who has no concept of private land ownership. Aborigines were at no point hippies either, they were merely still stuck in hunter gatherer culture, that kept migrating.

I think the aboriginal Australians are perhaps the oldest culture in the world (50,000 years old). When the Europeans first arrived, there were around 1,000 tribes (some numbering just 80 to 100 individuals), speaking their own languages. It is very difficult to believe that these tribes numbering only a few dozen people managed to survive intact for 50,000 years.

Your scepticism is correct, while their core genetics and some customs might indeed trace its origins back to original settlers, tribal identity is quite fluid. Some of those groups might separate and merge again depending on relationships within leading family or enviromental pressures.
379  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: May 21, 2017, 04:20:34 PM
God is fake. Religion is a Scam which continues for several thousand years. People believe in God without any proof. It is a pity that there are no statistics how many people actually believe in God. I'm sure not very many.

Very interesting statement.
Do you really believe that so many different cultures and countries over 5000 years could scam people?
Do you really think that you can prove invisible, spiritual reality and eternal being, beyond time and space?
Many people believe God not because of religion but because of their personal experience and direct relationship with God.
Please think about it before you write such comments.
Don't you think that we need something more in lour life, not just work, food and sleep?



What is funny is that this guy and several other trolls like AFnewbie, Popcorn, Moloch etc. obsess around threads that somehow deal with faith and relationship with God. Spamming time and again, dedicating many days of their life to the notion, that God cannot exist. On Bitcointalk forum.

I think, that tells much more about them, than the believers.
380  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are you doomed if you are not tech savvy? on: May 21, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
I am relatively new to this whole crypto thing. I'm still strugling to understand a shitload of info, terms and generally the way this industry works. Are majority of you guys here of IT background?
Is it possible to fully educate yourself and understand crypto technology if you are not dev/programmer?

I am not entirely sure, what you are asking about. As your question in the title of the thread is completely disconnected from the one in your OP post.

Cryptocurrency is a tool, that you can but dont have to choose. You can use it to your advantage even without understanding ins and outs of it, just like you use your smarthphone, bank account or automobile. It is a tool, not and end in and of itself.

I wouldnt be suprised at all, if some of the most profitable traders here barely knew how to turn on computer. Leaving tech stuff to IT crowd, while they focus on profit.
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