What's the difference between a RTX3060ti and a RTX3060ti LHR and what confused me the most is the LHR, is this a better version for mining? I'm just trying to avoid something I may regret later thanks
Skinny48 answered you correctly. But the RTX3060ti LHR video card needs to be tested, if it has a low hash rate when mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem. You need to check the hash rate on other algorithms https://whattomine.com/gpus/52-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti?cost=0.1Therefore, you need to buy 1 video card for testing. In your country, can the video card be returned a day after purchase or exchanged for another? OP don't need to test rtx3060 ti before buying because even if he end up buying the LHR version other algorithms remains the same, the only difference is ETH algorithm mining, OP can use YouTube as there are already few videos about this on the platform There is one problem here. LHR graphics cards have dropped significantly in the last few days. They will not mine Ethereum, but they will reduce the profit on other algorithms. Therefore, I always speak out against buying an LHR graphics card. in the future i would avoid buying rtx 3xxx series(second hand) for mining, you wouldn't know if it is LHR or not. also models with gddr6x vrams are hot, you never know what torture it went through. i was opting for amd with hbm2e but the gddr6x was the one available. |
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So this card if it comes may do 200mh https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-aldebaran-memory-subsystem-detailedit will cost $$$ but if it does 200-250mh at 225-275watts it is still short of the new eth asics which do 3000 mh at 3300 watts We will need to wait and see. My only rig in the house is 2x 3090 and 1x 3060ti on a down clock doing 285mh at 675 watts it earns 285 x .07 = about $20 a day it burns about 16 kwatts at 20 cents = 3.20 nets just under 17 usd a day. The 3090's are paid off. The 3060ti is not paid off but will be in around 60 days. If I sell the pc it came with I could pay it more quickly. at 275watts x 12pcs = 3300watts 12 pcs is 2400mh. 2400mh vs 3000mh both at 3300watts is pretty close normally at 1/2 the efficiency is still good for gpus like 1500mh at 3300watts |
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I think that all the video cards that are now sold in stores are LHR. Except for founders edition (FE).
Even if I were a gamer, I would not buy the LHR version, because they have no right to restrict my actions.
I hope that after the decline in demand for video cards, Nvidia will begin to incur losses, because gamers will start choosing video cards from AMD.
Gamers are way too loyal to Nvidia. I don't think they will incur losses. With how big their company is at the moment they don't need miners buying their GPUs. When its earnings they post futures guidance without any miner revenue. IF they really cared they would of released those GPU mining specific video cards like in the past. Which is smart because it doesn't have displays so gamers won't buy them, only miners and has a shorter warranty. Then when the mining boom is done, the market won't be flooded with gaming GPUs but only mining GPUs which won't affect their GPU gamer sales. AMD is also pretty big too, however I think they know that miners always prefered AMD throughout the years, especially during the litecoin/dogecoin days when nobody used Nvidia to mine and that they won't pull the plug on us miners. Remember when the RX series GPUs started to suffer with a reduced hashrate as the DAG went up? Well they actually released drivers to fix this issue called Compute mode. Wonder if Nvidia would do anything similar. hbm2e is coming next year...my prediction of x2 hashrate against 3090 will come |
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if i am a gamer a 50% money back (if not 100% or above) through mining during idle time (not gaming), is a very good way to earn back the money you spent.
i doubt majority of gamers would do that though. the set up for each use case must be quite different. i'd rather build another pc for gaming instead. imo this is how nvidia going to milk miners. releasing dedicated mining cards while trying to decrease the burden for casual gamer. don't know if it will be successful or not though. if you build separate rig for mining and gaming, you are already a miner. nvidia is milking everybody. the irony is that gamers are the ones getting milked, as long as miners are getting ROI, it doesn't matter how much the card cost. |
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avoid LHR cards...only hardened shitcoiners should use it hehe
anyway if i am a gamer, i still hate nvidia for LHR. why?
1. difficulty selling when time comes, a potential miner buyer would not like some LHR card.
2. if i am a gamer a 50% money back (if not 100% or above) through mining during idle time (not gaming), is a very good way to earn back the money you spent.
miners are here to stay, they are part of the gpu economy. nvidia is doing it wrong.
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because of the noise of my mining area, i can't hear if there is coil whine LOL.
ideally PSUs are most efficient at 50% load and cooler too.
if you live in hotter region of earth supplementing the PSU fan with another 12v fan on top is a good idea.
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Then you can use satellite Internet from companies in neighboring countries.
So that the IP address is not Chinese and then there will be no problems.
This equipment costs $ 500-1000.
Miners will have to set up bunkers in the ground to hide from the thermal imager.
It's not funny anymore.
Where I am located some people are being arrested because they don't pay electricity.The bad thing is that the media write articles which tell the people "Arrested the person with a Bitcoin factory" referring to this guy who had 11 Antminers S19.Of course he got what he deserved as he was cheating the government but then the police and media added to him a lot of false accusation,like "Cybernetic crime", "Bitcoin production" etc while here the law is that cryptos are allowed.You are right it is not funny anymore and every day that passes it is becoming an even more mess. You better navigate your situation. If miners start to go to jail, then it is better to legalize your business or sell equipment. And it makes no sense to believe the publications in the press, because in most cases, more than 50% of this is a deception. These articles are written for money. When was a kid a million years ago in the 1960s Communist Russia was taught to us in the USA 🇺🇸 to be the “bad” guys. Here was a list of reasons. Kids are raised in day care. The mothers go to work and do not raise the kids. Abortions are legal. Kids are told to rat out and inform on their parents. okay now in USA. kids are raised in day care. well over 50% The mothers go to work and dont raise the kids. Abortions are legal in every USA state. Kids have the ability to call ˝ dozen or so government agencies. To rat out or inform on their parents! Oh yeah russia is still the “bad” guys. This time it is Putin to blame. I am sure in 20-30 years Putin will be gone and USA 🇺🇸 will have some other story as to why Russia is the “bad” guy. You have to look at the big picture world wide. The press is simply a tool used to divide and conquer the people . If it is going this way i would like tell my thoughts. I think it is all manupulative game and all people in the world are instrument for this. I think nearly all countries belong to couple of people who control everything those people have most money and shares and im sure they have big amount of BTC too.People who we see on TV they are puppets of those in control. They always keeps our brain busy with fake news and also makes us afraid like virus or war. ive been in many country and saw nearly same things. I think main project is how to make people slave beautifully. Best way they do it like this: Make people hate each other in this way 3rd person makes profit. Yes it's pretty much the media theory of Noam Chomsky. The people who control most of the capitals in the world I call them the ghost kings. ditch the TV or use with caution, i ditched it more than a decade ago. telling you who to love, hate, heroes, right, wrong, eat etc. i knew i was about to ditch the TV at that time when i was reduced to only watching two channels, national geographic and discovery channel...because i prefer just watching animals roam around in their habitat. the internet is far superior, you watch whatever, whoever and whenever you want. |
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I don't have 240V at my place unless I decide I don't need a stove or a dryer. So its possible for me to switch back and forth between the dryer/mining rigs but just going to be too much of a hassle. Most small miners don't have access to 240V either if they are in the USA or Canada.
So if there is browning and you got a switching PSU you are safe I guess however most small miners only have access to 120V and if the voltage goes down to 90V most miners will be screwed.
Can you imagine buying tons and tons of $1000 GPUs only to have a bunch of them fry due to blackouts and browning surges? I wonder if you can RMA a card like that? I heard that sometimes the power company can compensate some of the cost, basically maybe a computer or two. However don't know if the power company would pay to replace $10000's of mining GPUs. Will probably just tell you to claim it on the insurance but insurance won't cover it because most home miners don't have supplemental coverage for mining equipment.
So the end of the story is. If there is about to be a blackout, just turn off your rigs and don't risk it.
access to buy a 100kva 240v (or whatever) is easy..what i don't know if your electric company will install it/allow you to use it or not. if successful get a 10kva(or whatever is needed) 220v to 110v transformer. locate the breakers that are in the areas that are designated as 110v (dining room/laundry area/bedroom)...and tap a 220v line to the transformer and make another breaker box (110v)--tap the building wires that are for the existing sockets/area that are to be used as 110v. easy peasy. or having both 220v and 110v line from the electric company, both having separate watt meter, can be an option too. |
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In 2014 there is a place where i mined and the voltage drop to around 190v...the bedroom ac compressor is turnning off due to low voltage and the mining rigs are still fine, it is written at the back of psu 110-240v..so a 220v mining are far superior to 110v mining.
220v is always better, less money spent on cables because less amps through, although same current. You need to have a psu which has auto voltage 89v to 250v in case of brownouts or other things, need to be careful though, in a 110v or lower is double or more the amps, so you need to watch out, could burn your whole house because of it. The safest route is to have a voltage monitor, in case the voltage drops below 220v, it tells you, so you can do something about it till it gets back to 220v or higher a bit, when I lived in London, voltage used to go as high as 280v, used to be normal around that. here is the potential of those who have 110v, they already have x2 the thickness of the wire. if they could buy and let the electric company install a 220v transformer. now they have thick wires and a 220v. basically if that facility is currently at 10,000 watts at 110v, at 220v that facility can now do 20,000watts. |
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Reason good brand tier 1 psus are the most important thing in your mining rig, those brownouts are dangerous even if you have a tier 1 psu, must have --> 89v to 250v auto voltage stabilizers, i guess all tier 1 psus have that.
In 2014 there is a place where i mined and the voltage drop to around 190v...the bedroom ac compressor is turnning off due to low voltage and the mining rigs are still fine, it is written at the back of psu 110-240v..so a 220v mining are far superior to 110v mining. |
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There are a lot of video cards in China, I think they are easier to hide because they do not make much noise and do not consume a lot of electricity. And they give more profit per 1 kilowatt of consumed electricity.
So far, only large mining farms are being closed in China, and when they start looking for small farms with 500-1000 video cards, the hashrate will decrease even more.
I don't think noise is what is going to get people busted for mining in China. I think the larger issue is mostly heat which is difficult to hide. These days there are sophisicated thermal imaging cameras and they can easily scan different areas of the country and determine who is mining and who is not. In the USA they do this to actually catch people who are growing (or did when illegal) marijuana. Basically some chopper would fly around high risk areas and try and find someone with an operation. Some miners actually got visited by police because they were suspicious what they were doing which generated all that heat. Chinese authorities do not need to check about heat or electricity cost, they just have to check which place (house, office or warehouse) in China connect to mining pools such as asia.ethermine.org, btc-na.f2pool.com, they can get a list of each internet user connecting to these pools easily. They have some kind of software, they just have to type a website link to get all the Chinese internet users connecting to these websites. Then it's just a matter of sending cops to the house. Right now, they are not doing it, I think Chinese authorities will tolerate small miners mining at home. I don't think they would do that. Its too much work and not reliable. Someone can just use a mining pool in a different country like Russia or USA. The government won't go after those mining operators in those countries. Plus an easier solution to this would be just to solo mine and not use a pool at all. Getting a mining farm in an underground bunker won't work at all. Its going to be way too expensive and you are faced with the issue of getting rid of the heat somehow. I think if someone really wants to mine they will just relocate its just much easier than playing these games. Surprisingly we got a bump up in hashrate, almost the retarget is here and we should get a nice difficulty reduction. The difficulty has already dropped for Ethereum which is at 6.xx P from almost 8 or a bit more that were sometime ago before the China ban.I think everyone is happy now that is mining with at least 250-300 Mhsh processing power,it is almost 0.01 Eth daily rewards.Let's hope the difficulty stays at these levels for some months to come,it will benefit us all. a lot of these "turned off asics" must be the latest and greatest ethhashers..well shit happens |
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Then you can use satellite Internet from companies in neighboring countries.
So that the IP address is not Chinese and then there will be no problems.
This equipment costs $ 500-1000.
Miners will have to set up bunkers in the ground to hide from the thermal imager.
It's not funny anymore.
Where I am located some people are being arrested because they don't pay electricity.The bad thing is that the media write articles which tell the people "Arrested the person with a Bitcoin factory" referring to this guy who had 11 Antminers S19.Of course he got what he deserved as he was cheating the government but then the police and media added to him a lot of false accusation,like "Cybernetic crime", "Bitcoin production" etc while here the law is that cryptos are allowed.You are right it is not funny anymore and every day that passes it is becoming an even more mess. remember when pandemic lock downs started in china and then the rest followed? might happen with mining. anyway the smallest miners with 1-10 gpus are immune for sure LOL |
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China miners migrates, so china pools hashrate decreases. We need to wait, until they deploy in new location and to see how nethash decrease. And i think that they can use other pools, with less ping.
even small miners who are not forced to shutdown must be mining in non-china pool via VPN just to be safe. one word from the chinese government, they can be next. it is easy to assume that miners in a china pool are in china so..better be safe. |
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No. There are many small miners and several big miners. With the big warehouse you have money to be insured from everything, and to fulfill the conditions of insurance. And with small miners it`s easy to sent them off. They have no big opportunities to protect themselves.
Do you know a small miner who got insurances? If yes, please let me know what insurance company he/she is using. I`m not insured and cant say how to do it. In my situation i cant win anything against insurance company. if your country goes crypto mining rogue like china...THIS! hehe mak013 from Russia  Nothing has been banned in Russia yet, and it is impossible to do this. If you are a small miner with a consumption of 5-20 kilowatts in various locations, then you cannot be found. I'm not sure if the small miners in China have stopped mining because they are also hard to find. that's is why i don't care about insurance-more reason to be hidden..and even if i'm the insurer i wouldn't approve any mining farm for insurance. mining is a business of extracting as much electricity as possible to earn as much as possible, how would you know that these "farms" are not pushing the limits of the electrical lines that "may" cause fires? compare that to a normal pig farm where the risk of the users of a building are not capable of pushing the limits of the building (including electrical), and the risk is more about natural disasters(in which the insurers already did the math). insurance is also a business of "numbers" like, if they get 1000 clients that are low risk of getting "insured" then it is pure profit. for me i do the electrical, everything is calculated, measured, double checked, and has allowance. i am the the insurer, i insured the lowest risk for my mining operation hehe. yes there are people who needs to rely/delegate some task to others(things they don't know, can't do, don't understand)...they would really feel the need for insurance. stay small, decentralized and hidden. that is always been the way i mine  |
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There are a lot of video cards in China, I think they are easier to hide because they do not make much noise and do not consume a lot of electricity. And they give more profit per 1 kilowatt of consumed electricity.
So far, only large mining farms are being closed in China, and when they start looking for small farms with 500-1000 video cards, the hashrate will decrease even more.
I don't think noise is what is going to get people busted for mining in China. I think the larger issue is mostly heat which is difficult to hide. These days there are sophisicated thermal imaging cameras and they can easily scan different areas of the country and determine who is mining and who is not. In the USA they do this to actually catch people who are growing (or did when illegal) marijuana. Basically some chopper would fly around high risk areas and try and find someone with an operation. Some miners actually got visited by police because they were suspicious what they were doing which generated all that heat. this is going to get ugly, crypto miners going to look like/hunted like meth makers? haha, maybe insulate and blow the hot air to the sewers? no..use radiator and flow hot water to the sewers LOL. |
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No. There are many small miners and several big miners. With the big warehouse you have money to be insured from everything, and to fulfill the conditions of insurance. And with small miners it`s easy to sent them off. They have no big opportunities to protect themselves.
Do you know a small miner who got insurances? If yes, please let me know what insurance company he/she is using. I`m not insured and cant say how to do it. In my situation i cant win anything against insurance company. if your country goes crypto mining rogue like china...THIS! hehe |
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You're right.
Data centers do not accept mining farms.
They will take the equipment, but it must be installed in a dedicated server rack.
In my country, these are called mining hotels. This may be a production facility that has been converted for mining. Ventilation is supplied there and is regulated by temperature sensors.
Ventilation : throwing 165w of industrial fan volume of 26c ambient temp/nature, you can't heat up nature, nature heats you up if it wants to and cools you if it wants to. AC : here's 18c of cold air but can do only 1000w worth of compressor cooling if you throw 2000w and above worth of heat, i'm pretty useless. |
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Thank you FP91G & Commie.
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You will get a good experience, but I would not install 12 such video cards in 1 farm. The more hot video cards are nearby, the more expensive the cooling system is. If these were super 1660 video cards, then you would not have such problems, but if these are not the cheapest video cards with a poor cooling system. I understand that data centers have their own requirements, but in my experience, many miners have problems with closed cases on hot video cards. Therefore, it is better to look at the reviews before buying so as not to alter the cooling system several times. data centers basically deals with typical computers and networking equipment to function as data center, these rooms are likely to be very cold since it is easy to cool them because it is focused in making it function as it meant to be. (AC cooling) while mining is meant to burn/use as much electricity as possible (heat as a by product) to earn as much as possible, in mining it is easy to burn thousands of watts and cooling it will also require thousands of watts (almost proportional) if AC cooling is used. miners who approach mining farms as "data centers" are doing it wrong. mining farms are not so data center, it is a completely a different beast. |
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I don’t have anything against PSUs of 650 watts. However the issue is usually with the amount of connectors with these PSUs. Back in the days when I was starting out with mining I didn’t want to spend too much so I would buy second hand. Many of the PSUs that were generally <700 watts only had a max of 2 PCIe. And being in 2015 with most GPUs (r9 280x) requiring 2 PCIe you couldn’t use them. I used them anyways because I got them cheap like $20. And I would just use 2 of them in a rig and I snipped the CPU connectors and rewired them for a PCIe connection and it ran perfectly fine. Pulled maybe 600 watts with the rated 650 limit and never died.
These days you guys have it easy. Back in the GPU lite coin mining days a 280X GPU pulled around 300 watts from the wall. Now you got GPUs that don’t even use half of that wattage so a 650W PSU sure is doable these days. Especially being platinum grade.
not just the amount of connectors, but also the amount of PSU. if you are going to use 20,000 watts mining that's 40pcs 650w at ~silver efficiency. compared to 20pcs 1300w psu at ~gold efficiency anyway as long as mining is small then anything is good enough...or the miner is industrious enough hehe |
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saving the planet? LOL tell that to a hurricane or a raging volcano hahaha we all are the planet's bitches whether you like it or not...vaccinated or not |
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