Seeing pictures of those 10000+ GPU nightmares doesn't instill visions of decentralization, quite the opposite actually. Massive farms exist... so what. You're looking at it the wrong way. I can buy miner-grade GPUs from dozens of outlets in my own country. Even from a real shop in town if I can be bothered. Something like 25% of Steam's userbase have a mining capable machine. There are 24 million copies of 'PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds' sold. Each of those copies belongs to one person with a mining capable machine. How many people in the world own ASICS? How many shops in the world sell them? GPU mining gear is available through the same channels as enthusiast PC gear. It's a different world. And since everyone knows about GPU mining now, you can bet that many gamers are evolving into cryptominers. The potential for decentralised mining is so much greater with GPUs than ASICS. So TRUE... Thanks for sharing, Apocalypse. two and three year warranties are why I like gpus. Sane running of gpus they don’t break. But asics are here and won’t be stopped by every developer zotac extended warranty.....5 years! |
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their group is the one who released the "ETH largement pill" for cards with gddr5x...they know how to utilize gddr5x gpu rams......1080ti's here we go again! hehe |
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crypto/altcoin is a huge playground
CPU
AWS
GPU
FPGA
ASIC
POS
masternodes
trading bots/trading
investments
catch a pump and dump
renewable energy
altcoin holdings
BTC
fiat money
always try new things smartly and be smart on what you have.
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DAG was something, since you need a hard drive for it..until developers learned how to put them inside GPU memory....waiting for the next innovation  Yes it was and the next innovation will be moving from gpus/asics etc.. to a mobile mining/staking coin process, the next step in decentralization will be with mobiles, everybody has it, a blockchain in every mobile. I'm imagining my mining room full samsung galaxy s9 plus LMAO. |
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either money is involved or ZEC co. is just too proud to admit that they aren't smart enough to make a truly ASIC resistant algo hehe
There is no "truly ASIC resistant algo" forever, if you are a developer, you need to keep updating your own algo 6 in 6 months to render the previous useless. That is how is done. It's not about they are not smart to, it seems they dont want to cause they probably were already bribed by asic companies to keep as it is. bribed or not the their mining cut/tax remains...so why bother? I was also thinking, why make ETH ASICs this late if ETH is going for POS? the manufacturers must be selling used mining equipment.. ...maybe we should look beyond "algos" because being an algo is what makes mining cpu-gpu-fpga-asic compatible..ever increasing DAG sure made ASICs a bit late I believe..equihash is an easier job for ASIC companies. DAG was something, since you need a hard drive for it..until developers learned how to put them inside GPU memory....waiting for the next innovation |
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either money is involved or ZEC co. is just too proud to admit that they aren't smart enough to make a truly ASIC resistant algo hehe
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what if an algo or new stuff (whatever it may be called) is created that it hashes by rendering-> the kind of work where GPUs excel over ASICs and FPGAs...
Rendering is really not that much different from hashing different algos. Even if there was a similiar algo like that, it would still be possible to create an ASIC. After Sha256 got ASICs, Scrypt was created by the Litecoin dev as a way to keep it GPU mineable only. I think it was more intensive than Sha256 but a few years later ASICs came out for that too. Same with Dashcoin which was based on the X11 algo which was also suppose to be ASIC resistant. So Equihash and DaggerHash are no different. I mean like it has to be processed with a "certain" graphics work (like a secret sauce) involved in the computation..not exactly rendering.. doing stuff where GPU's excel... a) can be merged - mix mix b) can be separate - a security measure, like "do this stuff first" before hashing....that "stuff" is like something that may or may not be relevant to hashing but only serves as a security like a lock, where the graphics card have to produce a "key" ->the key is something that a GPU can produce but FPGAs and ASICs cannot...or something only GPUs can produce easily but others cannot. .......what do GPUs do when playing games? maybe that's where we can find the secret sauce.. |
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what if an algo or new stuff (whatever it may be called) is created that it hashes by rendering-> the kind of work where GPUs excel over ASICs and FPGAs...
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Is it planned to rebrand to avoid confusion with DASH?
the true DASH, the original DASH will never surrender its name to the fake DASH coin(darkcoin) |
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Great article by David Vorvick. Nothing but admiration to him and the Sia team for doing an in-depth analysis. Something that struck me from article is as follows: I think there are a lot of people out there who do not realize that flexible ASICs are possible...
It may be sufficient sometimes, but just as algorithms can attempt to be ASIC resistant, ASICs can attempt to be hardfork resistant, especially when the changes are more minor.
As a miner, this frightens me because when this era of "flexible ASICs" arrive, GPU miners will definitely be obsolete. Add this to the threat of Ethereum going POS, it seems like the odds are stacked against us regular home-based miners. This might be a signal that now is a good time to liquidate mining rig assets and just directly invest in coins. makes hybrid POW-POS, POS, masternode coins, and fast emission coins(before they got ASIC'd) look better since ASICs cannot dominate their economy..good luck. |
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speaking of warranties... i just decommissioned my r9 280x dual-x and replace them with 1080ti...they are mining since 2013 and i got tired of waiting for them to die  |
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I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .
Because you have to spend $10k in hardware to match the hashrate of the z9? Because this gives much cheaper access to mining than dedicated gpu rigs? Because it uses 12x less power for the same hashrate as running on GPUs? No more need for expensive power supplies and overprices graphics cards? ASIC isnt a synonym for rich and it is exceptionally ignorant to think so when you do the math. This machine would actually let people get in on altcoin mining at a fraction of the cost of a giant GPU rig that has 60+ failure points. You wouldnt have to deal with buggy software, bad risers, and all the other things that keep GPU systems from having quality uptimes. ASICs increase network speed. Increased network speed leads to a more secure network. How many more reasons do you want? I can keep listing them. I agree with a lot of that. Big downside for a small time farms is risk failure, even if you are under warranty. You pay all shipping and other fees. You have to deal with shitty Chinese customer service practices, which is pretty much zero customer service. The only way they get away with that shit is because of their size and lack of relevant competition. I've heard more than enough horror stories from bitmain customers, that I shy away. If they were to change their customer service practices to mimic what we're used to in the United States, I would be more open to buying from bitmain. customer service.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BtzaYpivFM |
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I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .
Because you have to spend $10k in hardware to match the hashrate of the z9? Because this gives much cheaper access to mining than dedicated gpu rigs? Because it uses 12x less power for the same hashrate as running on GPUs? No more need for expensive power supplies and overprices graphics cards? ASIC isnt a synonym for rich and it is exceptionally ignorant to think so when you do the math. This machine would actually let people get in on altcoin mining at a fraction of the cost of a giant GPU rig that has 60+ failure points. You wouldnt have to deal with buggy software, bad risers, and all the other things that keep GPU systems from having quality uptimes. ASICs increase network speed. Increased network speed leads to a more secure network. How many more reasons do you want? I can keep listing them. 60+  does it include every zip tie i used? does it include me slipping on the floor and grabbing the gpu rig and the pcie riser gets pulled? keep listing them please...i want to learn more.. |
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in your announcement page, the visuals states 100 gpus but it is also stated that they are 1060 and 470...1080 ti are a lot more powerful than 1060s..maybe you have different minimum requirements for different graphic cards?
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i've used toothpaste a few times on cpu's when i ran out of thermal paste.
That is absolutely incredible. You learn something new everyday. Would it be better to leave relatively old thermal paste on or replace it temporarily with toothpaste? How extensive has your testing been with toothpaste, and do they share any similar components? Why does it work? I have a plethora of questions about this nonsense. Are we sure that it actually is doing the job of thermal paste and not that of a placebo? you guys should be looking at liquid metal. it reduced the temp to around 15c (prime 95 stress test).
Can you clarify, do you mean it reduced your temps by about 15c or to about 15c? Cause 15c is absurdly low temperature, I don't even have that at idle. My room is hotter than that. I can't remember exactly but i think the toothpaste don't perform very long..like for a month or two you have to replace it...having that "paste" material in between, is somehow better for two surface (cpu and heatsink) than nothing, because if you don't put anything there the air gaps are worse than toothpaste.. .. 15c is taken off like from 95c to 80c....remember liquid metal is CONDUCTIVE, brushing a thin layer is the best way of applying it, as far as i know.. what i'm trying to point out (benefit) in using good thermal paste specially liquid metal, aside from good temps...the replacement time, what if you just have to replace liquid metal every 3 years or more...also the effort and time lost, mining rig can stop/hang if just one card stops due to overheating core......sometimes even if the temps in your monitoring software is good, the card still hangs...happened in my 280x's a few times and thermal paste reapplication solved the issue. I think we all read the same Toms hardware article about 10 years back. I used tooth paste also on some KnCminer Jupiters which had very little or no thermal paste at all. Basically since the ASIC chip was huge, it wasn't worth using Arctic silver so I just used tooth paste and it worked better than leaving nothing at all while I waited for a huge jar of thermal compound to come from China. yup i read it somewhere I can't remember..came in handy...feels minty and clean on fingers hehe |
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do people who know c language and assembly language, who have experience in programming micro-controllers like zilog, atmel and pic ....can easily adapt to using this? like doing the stuff that you are doing? create firmware for this FPGAs
It doesn't help much and in my opinion it is actually detrimental. Those devices you mentioned have the similar conceptual limitation: they encourage thinking of solving tasks in terms of sequences of steps. Very much like many early "home computers" programmable with BASIC. the lack of developers in this arena and the lesser utility/other uses of FPGA (in general population) makes me think twice in investing more in this kind of stuff...unless i knew a guy in person that i can work with, not just some random guy in the internet..
The thing is that a random guy can conceivably be much better at FPGA programming, even without previous exposure to computers. I believe it starts much earlier and is conditioned with the type of toys one played as a kid. Here's my theory: If as a kid somebody played (1) with mechanical toys that allow to build working things out of building blocks or (2) with electrical toys that allow building working circuits out of components connected with pluggable wires then as an adult such person will have natural aptitude for (a) FPGA programming or (b) parallel programming or (c) electronic engineering To such a person the FPGA development kit is very much like their dream toy from the childhood upgraded to a true professional tool with nearly unlimited quantity of building blocks and connecting wires. So I disagree with your premise that the aptitude for FPGA programming is rare, it just isn't discovered and developed in many people. In the past I was frequently surprised that some people with advanced computer science degrees from reputable schools have extremely hard time understanding that some device can concurrently work doing many things simultaneously. No need to explicitly state the order in which things need to be done. You may now know it, but FPGAs don't need to be programmed using some language like Verilog or VHDL. They can be designed using schematic capture of assembling blocks and connecting them with wires. And this comes naturally to some grade school kids with no computer science exposure whatsoever. So the TL;DR of the above is: it really depends on what kind of toys you played with when you were a kid. thanks for the input....the way you explain things to me makes me feel that I can do it already haha. the person that I have in mind is a geek/nerd..kind of jack of all trades...when I ask him about programming last year when we met, like can you still program in the programming languages we encountered in the past? his answer: yes, and all of them are the same even the ones that he didn't use yet. things that person knows..making websites, programming in different languages, electronic engineering, micro controllers, computer networks.....and baking cakes! my heart bled when i learned he is baking cakes! but they are making good money with his sister and if i pulled him away from that venture.. i don't know, he is a mainstay in that business..maybe i'll pay him a visit sometime..i'll wrap my head around this FPGA thing first.. I remembered when I'm still in high school, in our programming class, where there is a guy who knows how to program...and i know a bit in programming that i can change variables and colors and i'm the one who knows windows command line that i'm pirating copies to my class mates so at the end of the class everybody have their own unique programs (in their floppy disk) haha.. |
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i've used toothpaste a few times on cpu's when i ran out of thermal paste.
That is absolutely incredible. You learn something new everyday. Would it be better to leave relatively old thermal paste on or replace it temporarily with toothpaste? How extensive has your testing been with toothpaste, and do they share any similar components? Why does it work? I have a plethora of questions about this nonsense. Are we sure that it actually is doing the job of thermal paste and not that of a placebo? you guys should be looking at liquid metal. it reduced the temp to around 15c (prime 95 stress test).
Can you clarify, do you mean it reduced your temps by about 15c or to about 15c? Cause 15c is absurdly low temperature, I don't even have that at idle. My room is hotter than that. I can't remember exactly but i think the toothpaste don't perform very long..like for a month or two you have to replace it...having that "paste" material in between, is somehow better for two surface (cpu and heatsink) than nothing, because if you don't put anything there the air gaps are worse than toothpaste.. .. 15c is taken off like from 95c to 80c....remember liquid metal is CONDUCTIVE, brushing a thin layer is the best way of applying it, as far as i know.. what i'm trying to point out (benefit) in using good thermal paste specially liquid metal, aside from good temps...the replacement time, what if you just have to replace liquid metal every 3 years or more...also the effort and time lost, mining rig can stop/hang if just one card stops due to overheating core......sometimes even if the temps in your monitoring software is good, the card still hangs...happened in my 280x's a few times and thermal paste reapplication solved the issue. |
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great! let the FPGA manufacturers take a nice slice of the pie...the more the merrier so where can i buy?...looking forward in making a rig out of these.. you make the firmware for different algos that can be loaded to FPGA..and we mine with a fee.. anything i missed? ... do people who know c language and assembly language, who have experience in programming micro-controllers like zilog, atmel and pic ....can easily adapt to using this? like doing the stuff that you are doing? create firmware for this FPGAs the lack of developers in this arena and the lesser utility/other uses of FPGA (in general population) makes me think twice in investing more in this kind of stuff...unless i knew a guy in person that i can work with, not just some random guy in the internet.. |
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I've been all GPU since 2013... if you don't know what to do with your GPUs...GPUs aren't for you  |
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