but Nigeria vs Cameroon should be a WC quality duel, not sure but thinking about eventual Cameroon surprise here, although under goals is better pick here as well It's a tie I look forward too as well, but I don't want to have my hopes up with expectations, it might end being a boring game, and under goals looks the safest bet to be honest, however, 2 of the 3 matches Cameroon have played so far have had 4 or more goals, so that could be what a little bit of consideration too. My bet on the game would be home/away and Over 1.5 goals @ 2.05 on a local sportsbook. |
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Guardiola and Klopp inherited an almost equivalent squad value, but Liverpool were such a mess indeed before Klopp's arrival and biggest props to him for the level of consistency he's brought to the club, but without Guardiola premier league would have been a one horse race for Liverpool, in my opinion.
Pep inherited League champions, Klopp inherited 6th position team. No way they inherited almost the same equivalent squad value.  the biggest players in Liverpool was Skatel and Countiho. Lol Man, come on. Klopp arrived in the 2015/2016 season, winning the EPL once and two runners-up places, as well as Manchester United and Arsenal. So, without Manchester City, Liverpool would have won three Premier League titles, Manchester United two, Chelsea one, and Arsenal one. Does this appear like a one-horse race? Man what are you high on ? have you been drinking today ? What happened to Liverpool's 25 years Old Joe Allen and Jordan Henderson, Adam Lallana, Daniel Sturridge and even Raheem Sterling, I'm not not going to speak of sensational Albert Moreno or Mario Balotelli, What Liverpool lacked was a decent coach who knows what's he doing, and Guardiola inherited a 4th placed Manchester City, the season which Leicester won the league... A piece of advise Sheriff, stop drinking on duty mate, Whiskey before noon is terribly bad for a law and order enforcer |
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Of course now Gabriel got the goal and Saka got the assist and of course I have them both and even captain on Saka and of course it will not be changed. That rule really pisses me off. That makes two of us, I also had Saka as my captain, I think FPL have got to review this their absurd rules of not awarding goals and assists simply because the game week is over, after all the metrics for the game is official EPL statistics, so perhaps they should draw their own metrics that is independent of EPL so then we'll know that we are not totally following the results of the EPL. |
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Klopp is a world class coach no iota of doubt, and so is Pep Guardiola, these are two managers with different ideologies but very good at what they do best, however, what @Igebotz meant by "little resources" is a terminology I still can't fathom. Liverpool spending under Jurgen Klopp: Transfer expenditure: 1,133,615,000 Man City spending under Guardiola: Transfer expenditure: 1,492,058,181 Chelsea spending since 2015/16: Transfer expenditure: 1.936 Billion  Information source: Transfermarkt. Don't look at expenditure - the only relevant info is net spend. Then again, if you inherit a team that is valued at 800 million, you can offload a lot of players and reduce your net spend. If you inherit a 400 mil $ team, there's no one to sell and your net spend grows. What Klopp did with the budget he's had (net spend) is remarkable. Yes, Pep is fantastic, he changes the philosophy of football, but he does it from the position in which he can do whatever and bring whoever. Klopp has done it all with a lot less support, and in my opinion deserves more credit for what he's done than Pep. To be clear, Jurgen Klopp was never meant to be a part of this conversation, it's just due to the Sheriff's usual antics of bringing unrelated conversations to derail an original discussion. The conversation was that Man City wasn't part of the dubbed "Top four" teams in England, and the Sheriff decided to go all bananas over that simply because, of he'd probably say Man City was bigger a club than Arsenal or Liverpool in 2008-2013 because they had won a premier league then I just think it's very very unfair to presume Guardiola success should be attributed to how deep a pocket he has when the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United all have such a pocket, but because they all probably suck at shopping for priorities and necessities, Guardiola is to blamed for knowing his needs and goes all out for it. Guardiola and Klopp inherited an almost equivalent squad value, but Liverpool were such a mess indeed before Klopp's arrival and biggest props to him for the level of consistency he's brought to the club, but without Guardiola premier league would have been a one horse race for Liverpool, in my opinion. |
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cryptofrka you lucky prick! De Bruyne missing a sitter in 82nd minute, and had his potential assist ruined by Dias and Vicario only to have Nathan Ake pounce on it  , I really did miss this question as I could have sworn that I didn't read it while answering the question. But then, it's not over just yet There is no universe in which KDB does not get an assist on that goal... In the EPL you can be very sure that he'd not be getting it  , If anyone gets the assist for that goal, you can quote me on this, EPL would award it to Ruben Dias |
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Was discussing this with cryptofrka and I will repeat it here. Zverev is not stable enough to win against opponents that will push him to the end. I knew how this one is gonna finish the moment Zverev lost 3 set.  Sinner is different beast this last year. I couldn't agree more that Sinner is a different but terrific player last year after full recovery with the injury he was battling with, I believe there is a huge possibility of him ranking 2nd or even 1st before this year runs out if he's able to stay injury free. Unlike Alcaraz whom I don't know what's wrong with, despite being arguably the most entertaining player to watch on court, his game has dropped drastically and he doesn't seem to be worried, at least not on court, going by his body language even when he's losing a match, it's always just smiles and all from him. |
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The genesis of this conversation remains that Man City wasn't a part of the teams dubbed the "big four" in England until Guardiola's era during which it only became dubbed the "big five", instead.
Quote of the Year. Winning all domestic titles, playing in the Champions league does not make you a Top 4 club unless Pep joins..........Harkorede et un_rank. 2024. How do I explain this to my kids without looking stupid? Explain to them that a Top 4 club in Leicester City who won the domestic league and played in the champions league are currently plying their trade in the second division and/or Nottingham Forest with all possible domestic titles and two champions league trophy is one the top 4 clubs in England  |
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If, despite all of the world-class players you named and the titles they won following the 2008 takeover, you still feel Manchester City were not an elite team prior to Pep, I would argue you began watching the EPL when Pep came. (He took numerous Barcelona fans with him, and you are just one of them.) World class players, did you consider the squad of other teams ? I began watching EPL in 2016 ?? aren't you just bare funny, lol. There were many (1) illegal transfers, (2)wrong transfer fees and (3)huge money paid to agents and many more 111 charges. Klopp -Liverpool didn't go through any of this to win trophies. Here we go, I expected you to deflect or derail from the main conversation as usual, so, I'll let you keep riding your horse of ignorance all day long The genesis of this conversation remains that Man City wasn't a part of the teams dubbed the "big four" in England until Guardiola's era during which it only became dubbed the "big five", instead. |
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Liverpool won't be the same without Klopp, sad to hear the news today.
As you'd often say, "That's how the cookie crumbles." It was imminent at the end of the day, no one just saw it coming or wanted it to happen this early but then c'est la vie! |
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We mentioning Guardiola again *rubs palm* A better coach than Pep in my opinion.
I cannot argue with your opinion, but they are worlds apart in reality. The media make it look like there is or was a rivalry between them, but 5 titles in the last 6 seasons says otherwise. Klopp is a world class coach no iota of doubt, and so is Pep Guardiola, these are two managers with different ideologies but very good at what they do best, however, what @Igebotz meant by "little resources" is a terminology I still can't fathom. Liverpool spending under Jurgen Klopp: Transfer expenditure: 1,133,615,000 Man City spending under Guardiola: Transfer expenditure: 1,492,058,181 Chelsea spending since 2015/16: Transfer expenditure: 1.936 Billion Information source: Transfermarkt. |
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Man just disrespected Robinho, Nedredo, Yaya Toure, Edin Dzeko, Tevez, Nasri, Aguero, Barry, Joe Hart era just like that!
Oh my days! Just quit it mate, you're utterly mixing things up yet again! Did you even follow football well enough from this said decade ? Robinho joined City in 2008, spent less than 2 seasons and played 41 games in total, Carlos Tevez joined City in 2009/10 and Man City finished 5th in the league, their best league finish inside the top 10 after a long while. Negredo didn't join Man City until 2013 and played only 32 games for Man City in EPL (one season era ?) Between 2005/06 - 2009/10, Man City best finish in the PL was 5th position, other years the finished 9th and outside the top 10, except your saying Man City became a solid part of the supposed big four between 2011 and 2013, because SAF retired from Man United at the end of the 2012-13 and Man City had only won the league once then, a season prior, and that was the only season they finished above Man United in the said decade before Sir Alex Fergusson retirement. Note; Pellegrini joined Man City after Sir Alex had left Man United. Manchester city were already the best in England before Pep under SAF watch. Man stop it already I don't know where you get your information from but if you're relying on your photographic memory, then you're mixing a lot of things up and might need to cross check in on number of things before you say them. Man City have only won the league twice between the said decade, one was 2011/2012 which they won the final day of the league finishing with equal points as Man United, only one of the league was during Sir Alex tenure at Man United, and it was Robert Mancini as City manager, and that was the only league Man City won during Sir Alex tenure at Man United, the other league was won by Pellegrini in 2013/14, and that was post Ferguson era. |
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That's a total of over 420m spent in 3 years before Guardiola arrived at Man City and all they achieved was a league title and 2 league cup (known as Carling cup then) in those 3 years.
This merely proves my previous point: Manchester City was already a top team and had won everything in England before Pep. Since the Mancini era, the club has never gone without a trophy. Pep was merely the icing on the cake--to improve the overall process, get more sponsorships, and tie A players to the club. I guess we can agree to disagree, but your point is just a matter of opinion from my point of view, Man City weren't a top team England before the arrival of Guardiola, they were never a among the top 3 favorites to win the league those years, and there was a supposedly known term the big "Big Four" as far as the premier league is concerned on general terms and Man City wasn't one of them, I standard to be corrected by PL enthusiasts who were more familiar with league in the last decade before Guardiola's arrival meaning 2006/07 to 2014/15 season, I guess this could be debatable and just a matter of opinion, perhaps too. Klopp just announced that he will leave Liverpool at the season end
not sure that this was expected, maybe by fans that follow Liverpool closely, but does come as surprise to me
will be interesting who will take over the club, do you have any expectations @cryptofrka @buwaytress, not sure who else is Liverpool fan as well Trouble in paradise, Liverpool could do well with temporary fix before going for a long term manager that could fill the void Klopp would leave behind, maybe Brendan Rodgers ? EDIT: Not only Jurgen Klopp but also assistant managers Pepijn Lijnders and Peter Krawietz and development coach Vitor Matos will leave Liverpool at the end of the season.
Lijnders, keen to pursue his own career in management. I think there might be more to this decision and development than meets the eye. |
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I'm only telling you that his managerial career has been easy; he started from the top
Wrong. Because you coach a team like Barcelona doesn't mean you start from the top, Barcelona wasn't a team at their best when Guardiola came to the club and nothing was giving to him on a platter of gold. I disagree on this one; Pep inherited players like Puyol, Abidal, Pique, Xavi, Inesta, and D. Villa who were all in their primes; he inherited Europe's best squad in a two-horse league. He also met and managed Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, Henry, and Febragas, all of whom were in their primes. He had the easiest team ever at Barcelona. He began his managing career at the top. Not every manager had the opportunity. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! You are not a fan of Barcelona and wrong knowledge or ignorance ≠ facts, That said, Guardiola signed the following players for Barcelona; Gerard Pique, Javier Mascherano, Dani Alves, David Villa, Fabregas and Ibrahimovic, meanwhile Samuel Eto'o only played for one season at Barcelona under Guardiola before being traded for Ibrahimovic (every football noob knows of this trade), Eto'o and Ibrahimovic never played together at Barcelona , as a matter of fact neither of them played beyond a season under Guardiola (prime my arse!), Guardiola also brought about Pedro, Sergio Busquets and Dos Santos from his promotion winning Barcelona B side to the senior team... Man City was never considered as top contender for the league before Guardiola arrived, and let alone considered high favorites in UCL, even in years which they got eliminated early.
Without Pep, Manchester City had two EPL titles, one FA Cup, and the Double League Cup. The only trophy missing was the UCL, which Pep took over 7 years to get despite spending more than £800m+ on transfers alone. Pellegrini was doing an excellent job before Pep arrived; stop acting as if he brought the club from the bottom; City was already competing for trophies before Pep. Pep is one of the greatest manager in the 21st century but let not forget the fact that he spent the most money on transfer too. 1. Man City spent 115.50m in 2013/14 season (3 years before Guardiola's arrival) below is their record for the said season;  https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/plus/?saison_id=2013&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=2. Man City spent 102.80m in 2014/15 season (2 years before Guardiola's arrival) below is their record for the said season;  https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/plus/?saison_id=2014&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=3. Man City spent 208.47m in 2015/16 season (1 year before Guardiola's arrival) below is their record for the said season;  https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/plus/?saison_id=2015&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=That's a total of over 420m spent in 3 years before Guardiola arrived at Man City and all they achieved was a league title and 2 league cup (known as Carling cup then) in those 3 years. Man City have been spending enormously before Guardiola's arrival the only thing they lack is consistency at winning trophies, which Guardiola mastered upon his arrival, there are a lot of hearsays and assumptions, but there are facts and numbers the latter two doesn't lie! |
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@Harkorede we have all 6 different answers until the end Not often that something like this happens to me, it's gonna be more exciting for sure. I just saw your answers, you can already send me the prize. You cocky dude! It always looks so easy until the end of the week arrives and I'll let you hold on to that little glimpse of hope which actually is nothing but a faηade imagination that's rather just in your head alone. I sure won't be missing single minute of Djokovic vs Sinner, since that'd be the beginning of the real H2H, you might need to fasten your seat belt because it's going to be one hell of a ride |
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Hello @trofo and cryptofrka, don't know if this is a suggestion or should I call it help. I was thinking if there's a way one can actually see through spreadsheet answers with mobile. Like if you guys can leave a enough space for viewing answers since there's always some space left at the spreadsheet. Because mostly one is always with his/her phone and its can be easily checked without having to use a laptop.
Summary, I can't really check my opponent answers with my phone when there's a long answer to a question. Can you guys leave enough space for the answers to be viewable on mobile. Like right now , my Microsoft isn't responding and instand of me to just check my opponent answers with my mobile, I can't see all his answers because some answers are long .
A tricky one - we know it's a problem, yeah. The thing is that we don't know how much we need to widen the columns in order for them to be visible on phone. Most of the columns in which you can't fully see the answer would have to be too wide compared to the others, which would then ruin the experience for those that check on PC. How many of you check the spreadsheet on the phone? If it's only a few then we'll probably leave it as it is, but if it's a lot we'll find a way to show full answers without ruining the experience for others. I do check and follow the results on my phone a lot of times too, more often than not, but the easiest way over the phone is just to download Google Spreadsheet App on your phone, it is available for both iOS and Android, that way you'll have an easier access to viewing the spreadsheet than on mobile browsers even if they should increase the space for each row and column it's still going to be an eyesore for mobile phones with the average iPhone or Android screens except for Tabs. Another advantage of the google spreadsheet app is that it will auto sync with the changes on the sheet and you'll have access to it on the go. |
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Monster round Harkorede.
I have a question about the knockout stages, It may have been answered before but I cannot dig out any info on it. Are scores taken from 90 minutes of play or is the final scoreline after extra time (for those matches that go the full length) also considered?
- Jay - The extra time of 30 minutes does count as far as SuperBRU is concerned, it has always been that way for any knockout competitions. ------------------- Thanks to everyone for the wishes, I really don't know how I did it myself too, it was just such abnormal round of fixtures. For the overall best round prize, I think the winner from game week one or two with the highest score line can consider themselves as the winner already, because everyone round henceforth would be having half of the matches we had during the group stages. |
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Damn, Coco, why you so easy lose? Now I've to hope Zheng overcomes an early setback. Can't make life too easy for Alex now can I?
Oh and forum only please. Telegram is hard to navigate for this kind of comp. Great chatting place and maybe even for work but BSFL works because of this forum format... I didn't expect Coco Gauff to win against Sabalenka to be honest, this one of the few times I let emotion cloud my Judgement rather than logic, I hate Tennis questions that have either Coco or Alcaraz, because I'll always go with them even when it's high illogical, just like how I'd never pick Barcelona to lose in these questions too, my biggest weak links |
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The top also means able to demand players and budget. Lampard, Giggs etc do not have these same ability, same as most young managers. Pep may not have started at City with great team but he asked any player and City got it. They didn't even have to worry about debt because they were funded by sovereign fund not with loans. So no pressure to deliver player trading profit. Just purely to win. I like Pep for what he did with Barca but I think he had the right ability of demands that others don't have. Even Klopp when he came needed to make sure he was able to have same demand but in the end he couldn't afford a lot of players he really wanted. Pep will never have this issue at City  Pep never had this issue because he was able to win trophies right from his second season and never looked backed, how many coaches have had a blank cheque book at PSG and what have become of them, the order of the day is to whom much is given, much more is expected, you speak as though the likes of Man United and other didn't spend a whole lot of money too, despite the fact that Guardiola have every accolades to show for the money spent, Guardiola spend 203 million, while Man United also spent 185m, both Arsenal and Chelsea also spent over 100m that year, only Liverpool spent below 100m for that season. I think it's very unfair to judge Guardiola success and Man City dominance to how much he's spent, when other teams are spending significantly lesser, Chelsea for instance, what have become of their extraordinary spending, what about PSG ? Man City would have been wrecked if Guardiola haven't been delivering trophies season in season out after his maiden season at the club. And Man City didn't have to worry about any debt because Man City have made the most revenue off players sales than any of the top 5 teams in England, Man City have become not just a buying club but also a selling one too, below are the spending and revenue off players by Man City since Guardiola arrival at City.  source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/pep-guardiola/spielertransfers/trainer/5672/station_id/128184 source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/pep-guardiola/spielerverkaeufe/trainer/5672/plus/0?station_id=128184You could have the whole money in the world, but without a good manager you'd still remain an average club, both Chelsea and PSG can relate properly! |
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I'm only telling you that his managerial career has been easy; he started from the top
Wrong. Because you coach a team like Barcelona doesn't mean you start from the top, Barcelona wasn't a team at their best when Guardiola came to the club and nothing was giving to him on a platter of gold, he built his own team in dynamic name and made Barcelona a force to reckon with in Europe, the worse place to start your career is a team with high expectations and very demanding, we all saw how Neville, Giggs and Lampard all fared when they were handed such job, Man City was never considered as top contender for the league before Guardiola arrived, and let alone considered high favorites in UCL, even in years which they got eliminated early. Coaching a team that demands winning the league, cup and getting to Champions league final is never an easy task, so it shouldn't be tag "started from the top", how many coaches having came and gone after Sir Alex Fergusson tenure at Man United ? where are they now, if they should be considered as starting from the top. |
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We have a group, so both a group and a channel would be overkill. We could maybe improve a bit and pin stuff more often.
You could and you should do it in next season For start you can try to post reminders for people to send questions on time. We dont need to have 100 players but we need players that wont frequently miss to send answers and make a mess in Division 3. For notifications we can configure Telegram in a bot, when Trofo or Cryptofrka tags me, the Telegram bot notifies the update of the tables and the questions of the next round, I think not everyone here knows it. The Telegram bot notification has been discussed a few times here already in both the first and second seasons, I'm pretty almost every player here uses it, but the problem how often people pay attention to the notifications, it could be easily when you're away from your devices for a while when the reminder comes, but the interest is what will make everyone not forget about submitting their picks, no amount of notification can help when there is an apparent lack of interest, it's just the same thing with how many people you actively find in the Gambling discussion and how many people have actually ever joined any of the league pools hosted here. |
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