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561  Economy / Economics / Re: If you have a lot of bitcoin, should you spend it or save it? on: September 21, 2017, 04:30:56 PM
If you have 2 bitcoins, bitcoin is your source of income and your life really depends on it, of course you would spend it. Why wouldn't you spend it right? It always depends on your necessities. Or somehow if your bitcoin is only an investment and you have other income from your job so be it, let it be an investment as you save your salary from your job.

Some even convert their salary from their job into bitcoins simply because they truly believe in it. There's just no other investments out there that have grown as much as bitcoin. Maybe there are in the stocks world but those aren't really that available for everyone unlike bitcoin. I think that's also one of the reasons why you should not spend your bitcoin unless it's a necessity. Bitcoin is available for everyone and eventually everyone will be using it. Maybe not really everyone, but most people. The more people enter the bitcoin world, the more value bitcoin gets and that makes it harder for us to earn bitcoins. Back then, you can earn 1BTC a month from signature campaigns but you see the rates are nowhere near that these days.

Save as much bitcoins, maybe even get as much bitcoins as you can. It can be a lifesaver for us financially.
562  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the economy situation in your country that bad? on: September 21, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
Actually not in mine country but for students it is hard to earn money and not spend it so how about i earn this money and save it for later then i still have some money left for later it is more of

an future save plan for me because i cannot save any money at all.
It is getting harder for students all over the world, people are forced to work for longer hours and more years this means that positions do not get open in business and as such young people are not hired because they do not get experience and after some time that becomes a vicious circle in which businesses do not hire you because you do not have the right experience but you cannot get the experience because you do not get hired.

Isn't it crazy? There are articles about millennials out there saying that they can't even afford rent. Kids these days are so pressured on achieving this and that and then after graduation, they get a job that pays not even enough to make a living. There are even explanations that I've read where there are calculations as to how little the millennials are making. You need experience for a job but they won't hire you because you lack experience. Like, Huh, where do these people even going to get experience. And so they are forced to do internship and have zero pay for a whole day of working for a company. After that, they are not even sure that the experience is still enough or that internship is enough. And since you get zero pay for internship, you are forced to do side job with that. Just thinking about it and typing these things are already stressful. Good thing I don't live in a country like that. Things in my country are very simple unlike in first worlds.
563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Do you see alts have chances against Bitcoins? on: September 21, 2017, 03:27:15 PM
Heaps of altcoins are pumping this previous couple of days. It is a proof that digital cuurency are now little by little becoming approved throughout the world. I'm waiting around for a couple of much more times for the cash to dump then I will get heaps of it. It is one of the greatest time to commit in altcoins

Nope it is proof that ICOs are getting hyped and more and more people are getting scammed one way or another. Altcoins are just a way for people to earn more bitcoins and that should be announced well. People are just playing in the altcoin market. They hype this and that so they can earn money from the people that bought that coin. I remember having a facebook group that says "Traders" but then they just keep on hyping a single coin and no trading is actually being taught. A new guy comes in, they just tell him to invest in that coin. When the coin gets dumped (by them, obviously) they will just tell the newcomers to "hold long term" and never let their hopes die. So yeah, I see no reason for altcoins to stand a chance against bitcoin.

At the end of the day, all these altcoins were made so that people can get more bitcoins.
564  Other / Off-topic / Re: Job Vs Bitcoin on: September 21, 2017, 03:14:47 PM
I think this question brings us back to the quote, "One who's chasing two rabbits at once will catch none." Either focus on your job or your bitcoin business (or whatever it is you're doing in the bitcoin world). If you do both, then you're going to have no time for socializing and for your family. Everyone has a family at home waiting for them. Some might not have a "family" family but they can treat their friends as family. You are needed in the society. People miss you. And if you don't have time for them, they would feel neglected.

I would choose job if I were passionate about it and that it pays quite well. I would choose to earn bitcoin otherwise. Choosing just one of the two gives you the time for the family and friends. Life is not just about making money. You can be rich eventually if you do both but are you going to be happy? Happiness is not equal to being wealthy.
565  Economy / Economics / Re: Can bitcoin improve the economy of a country? on: September 20, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
Bitcoin can not improve the economy of the country. This requires the actions of the authorities aimed at improving the economic situation in the country, and not the use of any currency.
Bitcoins are not just currency; they are mode of investments and earning as well. Bitcoins indeed all alone cannot improve the economy of a state until and unless government is not actively working to provide people with jobs. Up to some extent, bitcoins can improve economy but not too much.
Bitcoin can surely improve the economy of a country. I think Bitcoin has very good potential of helping the individuals to improve their life and also earn a good amount of money. I think it is now in the hands of Government like how they will take up this thing and whether they will do any positive steps in order to promote this Bitcoin or not.

How can bitcoin improve the economy of one country mean while their government never approve this thing? It id hard to say when you do not need to pay any taxes bit you can afford everything? Does government want to take this as mass killing machine? People can buy everything with their coin earned through bitcoin and everyonr accept that? For us it will be a good thing but how about the government?

It doesn't really matter if the government accepts or approves bitcoin or not. If people are earning bitcoin, they don't have to rely on the jobs offered by their government. They can simply remain unemployed yet earning actual money. That opens up job offers to other people. It gives other people a chance to have a work. Meaning, the supply for employees decreases while the demand for them has not changed at all.

The more bitcoin earned by the people of your country, then more money is coming in your country. That means the economy is improving. The economy isn't really determined individually, but collectively these individuals are improving the economy of the country.

By the way, how is it a good thing for us but not for the government? Regardless of which currency are you earning, you are helping the economy of your country. If you think that because you are earning bitcoins and not local currency means that you are causing distress to the government, then every single people that works abroad should be causing the same thing to the government. Clearly that is not the case.
566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Cash is better than Bitcoin. on: September 20, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
The importance of cash can't be neglected, Cash is an asset which can be used at any point of time, if we go for shopping or eating out, payment with Bitcoins might be rejected but you can always pay with cash. Also one of the biggest advantage the cash has over Bitcoins is that you need any electical device and internet to have an transaction, you can simply pay in hand and go also it will consume less time if you go on to buy small things.
Yes i agree with you about everything you said. Cash have been in peoples life for so long, because it has proven to be good way of paying. Easy and fast. With bitcoin there are some requirements that needs to be set before person can pay with bitcoin, for cash that is not the case. And not to mention that there are some parts of world where you can not use bitcoin at all, but you can use good old cash. Cheesy
Can you be a little considerate? How old do you think Cash is? Its centuries. How old Bitcoin is? Its Years. So obviously they have very large discrepancy, since Cash has been used so often, very often that makes it very relevant in things that includes economic vitae. What I really mean is that Bitcoin is still young it has its restriction and COMPETITION towards cash but its coping up fast as you can see the changes on its value and the progress of its availability. And some countries have already accepted it as its own currency so, it is indeed coping up.

It is indeed coping up but not in the pace that will make bitcoin replace cash totally. There's, like, a million of bitcoin users? I'm not really sure but I'm sure that it's not that much percentage-wise. Cash is still leading and it will continue to lead for the coming years. Bitcoin might be advanced but keep in mind that not everyone is into advanced stuffs. Anyway, at the end of the day, bitcoin users can still take advantage of the ever rising price of bitcoin. We are making money from bitcoin and that's a huge thing and that's the same thing that encouraged people to use bitcoin as well. It's one of the reasons we are growing in numbers lately. Bitcoin's gains are just too much and we all love that lol.

To the other guy, bitcoin not being available in other places because there's no internet is only a normal thing. Digital divide will always be present in this world and it will take a long time before that problem gets addressed and fixed.
567  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: you need to overcome your fear of losing money on: September 20, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Easier said than done - when u lost 100k-200k u can't keep calm anymore. Fear will come and make you do something stupid very stupid

If you were able to risk that much, then more often than not, you're already a millionaire. Normally you would risk a small percentage of your total bankroll. If 100k-200k is just a small percentage of your total bankroll, then it wouldn't be that frustrating. Risking that much is already a normal thing to you and losing it has already been anticipated in your mind. 100k to 200k seems like a huge thing for someone who doesn't have that much. But for people that whose bankroll is high above that, that's nothing. It's just an average day for them to either lose or win that amount of money.


I won't be afraid of losing if the money that I lose is just a 5-10% of my wealth. But I'm not that rich so I will not deny that it causes me to panic and fear even if it is part of trading.

Percentage wise, money can seem very little. But for someone who didn't grow up having a lot of money, absolute-wise the money is huge.
568  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to increase BTC? on: September 19, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
I doubt there is any particular universal or 'one size fits all' method to increase your bitcoin other than the usual ways of offering services, faucets, participating in signature/social media campaign, gambling and many others.   I think its more a personal choice, you have to look at the methods that you feel most comfortable with.  I personally like to learn about various methods even if i'm not necessarily going to use, i just like to know how it works and how to use it to my advantage.  The truth is, people will seldom tell you what really works for them because that's the individuals competitive advantage lol.  Whatever you do/choose, bare in mind nothing comes easy and that there are risks attached to every method.

There might be no one size fits all method but there usually is a "to go" method in earning money. In this world, the to-go is to get a degree and then get a job. In the bitcoin world, the to-go of newbies is faucet. The to-go of some is signature campaigns. The to-go of risk takers and those that really understands how things work and all is trading. There might be no one size fits all so you have to figure out what is your capacity, what are your skills, and how much money are you going to use as capital. In other words, we simply have different sizes and there's a to-go task for that type.

The people that have a day job that can be digitally transferred to the client is really lucky these days. For example, a programmer don't have to be hired by a company or a firm. He can work by himself through the use of the Internet. We're living in a world where your understanding of it will help you a lot (that's always been the case anyway). Learn things, learn the society, learn the economy, and then ask yourself, how to increase your bitcoins. Smiley
569  Economy / Services / Re: SENSE - Rewarding Human Capital | Signature campaign [FULL] on: September 19, 2017, 04:06:11 PM
Can I apply

Try reading. The post above you just quoted the manager's message and the title as well says that it's full.
570  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the best way to invest/grow your Bitcoins? on: September 19, 2017, 04:03:30 PM
try to playing trade. if if you have much bitcoin it can get great income too.
but trading have high risk. but if you have knowledge about it, you can speculate it, i think it will sucses
if you not interest, just hold until bitcoin price on top
That is correct. Trading without knowledge can be considered as gambling and therefore, if you want to earn money from trading, you need to learn before. IT is not hard as you think and if you can spend about 1 hour everyday, your skill and knowledge will be improved a lot and you wiill be able to trade appropriately after 1 month

It is not as easy as you think either. People think that trading is just buying different coins and then selling them later on. There's a science behind all that. There's a science on which coins to buy and which coins to let go of even if you are at loss. An hour everyday is better than none at all. But 2 hours a day is much better than an hour a day. If you really want to learn something, time will not be your concern. You will continue to learn it all day because of curiosity. There will be no fixed amount of time per day allotted to it. Learning isn't something that you do and you expect to learn x amount of knowledge in y amount of time. They are both dynamic, or changing in values. There are days when you can learn a lot in an hour and there are days when you don't learn at all. Either way, disciplining yourself and giving it time is needed. Patience is still key here.
571  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to be international currency on: September 19, 2017, 03:11:52 PM
BTC Bitcoin is already international currency. Bitcoin is Digital Currency that allow for worldwide payment with low. No Transaction fess. But, Bitcoin is not legal from Government. Sad

I think what's meant in this thread was bitcoin becoming accepted by almost everyone all over the world. It's true that you can send bitcoin from wherever you are to wherever the other end is. But that's the same thing with most fiat money. So with that same logic, we can say that all currencies are international currencies. Obviously that is not the case.

Bitcoin definitely has transaction fees. It's only recently when that issue got fixed. Before that, transaction fees are ridiculously high especially to people of the third world. Bitcoin is not legalized by the government, but it's also not illegal to most places. It's like in "neutral" state and I don't expect bitcoin to become legal. Either in neutral or illegal, I believe it will be in the future.
572  Economy / Economics / Re: Money above all things, Yes or no ? on: September 19, 2017, 02:42:52 PM
I'm going to say no simply because at the end of the day, people crave money and all these material things because they think that it will make them happy. Happiness is above all things. People buy things, spend money on vacation and all that, because they want to become happy. I would choose to be a genuinely happy even though poor person than to be a rich person but can only get nothing but fake happiness. Money is a big priority for all of us because it's what the society dictates. Ever since we were kids, our parents wanted us to get a good degree because they want us to become rich. Everyone had a mentality of becoming rich = becoming happy ever since. Everyone wants a life the same as the people they watch on TV. But the reality, not everyone is going to be rich and not everyone is going to be happy. It's on you what you're going to prioritize, becoming happy or rich.

Money is not above all things, happiness is.
573  Economy / Economics / Re: If you have a lot of bitcoin, should you spend it or save it? on: September 19, 2017, 02:32:31 PM
I recently start changing my mind a bit about this topic. I think we need to hold lets say, 80% to 90% of our coins, and spend the rest. When I say spent I'm not saying sell it for fiat, I'm actually saying try to buy something on a merchant that accepts bitcoins. The price is volatile, so holding is the best option of course, but I've recently realized that the price is so high, because we actually expect that BTC in a later future will be used as a currency as well, and we will be able to buy things with it. That is the only thing that is giving BTC a value, because if we all plan on just selling it in the future, when it's price is real high, then it means that we don't believe in bitcoin and we are just using it as a bubble. If we all stat selling it once the price is really high, the market will crash.

So I think we need to hold most of the coins, but slowing start buying real goods with it, and not just sell it for fiat.

If you are rather forced by the high price of bitcoin to buy something, then you will end up being forced constantly by it in the future. In the future, the price will continue to rise and you will continue to think about spending your coins because of the high price. I don't know why are you saying that people using bitcoin as a bubble don't really believe in bitcoin. How about the people that believe in bitcoin and understands that the whole thing is just a bubble?

Hmmm, to some buying from a merchant that accepts bitcoins isn't really an option. You might come across a few online sellers accepting bitcoin but do they sell the thing that you are looking for? I usually just convert my bitcoins into fiat and buy the things that I need. I don't see the point of going through so much trouble just to use bitcoin as payment when you can simply convert it.
574  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the economy situation in your country that bad? on: September 19, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
At first I thought the economy in my country is becoming better or would become better because there's a newly elected president. But I guess I guessed wrong. The value of one dollar is at its peak. It's a good thing for me because I'm earning dollars and not my local currency. On the other hand, only people like me and people that work abroad is at advantage. The rest of the community is not having a great time. The money gets lesser and lesser purchasing power. People think that commodities are becoming more expensive but it isn't. It's the money itself that has a problem. So yes, the economy in my country is currently bad. But I still don't give up my hope because there's still a slight chance that all these are for the betterment of our country in the future.
575  Economy / Services / Re: Hacken_io Signature Campaign(FULL) on: September 19, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
According to the OP, Sir Yahoo there will be available slots ina few days, so here i am posting and applying.

Bitcointalk username: TagaMungkahi
Rank: Jr. Member
Current post count: 73+1
BTC Address: 1Q3gjrW9wTPDYKw2PjKtptcmjRDMyeKXdt

I hope you can consider my application

That's useless because he will not look into your application. You are wearing Notary signature codes and Yahoo (normally) require you to wear proper sig codes before applying.
576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are your plans with your Bitcoin? on: September 18, 2017, 05:23:51 PM
I will save it until price became $10k

Holding coins for such a long term needs a lot of patience

Just a tip to all you hodlers, it only requires patience if you are thinking about selling daily or find yourself in situations where you need the money now. What i do is get busy and earn elsewhere so i dont have to touch my crypto. If you can find a way to work and make money crypto then even better - its also a growing industry so lots of opportunity.

Not really just patience, but also discipline. Making yourself busy is a good way to escape your urge to sell your bitcoin and spend all that money on something that you don't really need. Most people end up selling their bitcoins, buy something they only want but a necessity, and then justify their wrongdoing to feel less sorry.

One tip from me, I want to say that things get better. Over time of not spending any bitcoin at all, you will learn that you don't really have to spent it. You will learn how to not spend. You can be as wise as you want to be and it all takes time.
577  Economy / Services / Re: ★★★Wheel99 - Signature Campaign [Closed]★★★ on: September 18, 2017, 04:21:34 PM
Can i join this signature campaign?

This campaign is only for Full Members and up. Junior members can't join. This campaign has also already ended. Check the OP:
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Campaign is closed now. Please remove your signatures!

578  Economy / Services / Re: [SIG CAMPAIGN] AFFINITY MINING [OPEN] on: September 18, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
WHY CANT U ACCEPT ME? T_T

Either because you are wearing Soferox signature codes or that your posts just don't qualify. Nonetheless, only the manager himself can tell.
579  Economy / Services / Re: SENSE - Rewarding Human Capital | Signature campaign [OPEN] on: September 17, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Look at the spreadsheet, Week 1 and Week 2 has now the same number of participants. I think this campaign is already full, Woshib just hasn't updated the thread title yet.

Btw, thanks for accepting me, Woshib.
580  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we push the actual use of Bitcoin ? on: September 17, 2017, 01:32:26 PM
Sure, bitcoin "should" be used as a currency and be used to pay for things but that's just according to you. Very little in this world gets used for the way they should be. For example, a gun might be made for people to kill animals but that's definitely not the case today. Guns are being used to kill innocent people. Even a nailcutter which only purpose is to cut or file nails, they are being used as a weapon.

Bitcoin is used as a currency but most of the time it's used as a speculative asset. Nothing is wrong with that. People will do whatever they want with the things that they have and you don't get to control that. You don't get to say "stop" and people will just start following what you said.

With the things that you suggested, who exactly would talk to these people? That someone should be big enough and known enough in order for him/her to persuade these huge companies. For your third suggestion, uhmm, people won't just start using bitcoins just because you are accepting bitcoins. It's too much effort for someone who has zero knowledge about it.
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