What about this then? https://coinreport.net/btcu-biz-launched-4000-bitcoin-atms-ukraine/ The fees are a bit high, but access seems very easy. And with the Kiev Bitcoin Embassy planning to roll out their own ATMs, competition should drive the fees down.


Not sure why that's interesting or funny. When I lived in Kiev, most people I heard still spoke Russian, and I spoke Russian with all my friends and my mom (Ukrainian with dad). It's why I instantly knew that the claims from Russian news that "Ukrainian government wants to ban Russian language" were lies. Three are probably a lot of people even in Kiev who don't speak Ukrainian very well.

Note that this doesn't make those russian-speaking Ukrainians "Russian," any more that english-speaking Americans, Canadians, Australians, Indians, South Africans, and Kenyans are "British."

While true about being immune, almost all of them just repost what those news sites you mentioned post, or are heavily influenced by their reports. Very few social media reports are from people actually in the area witnessing or taking pictures and videos of things actually going on (like the pictures of the BUC that shot down the plane matched to the pictures of it in a convoy in Russia, or pictures of a large Russian military convoy of  troop trucks, fuel trucks, and armaments videotaped from a city bus in Ukraine).

That's funny, and tragically ironic. The ordinary Germans were also relieved that European puppet Paul von Hindenburg (who was printing money and handing out wealth to others at an alarming rate) was replaced with a strong minded person.


Wonder how many will get the Hitler reverence...

Wealth transfer is pretty much a communist socialist myth: Those materials were already there. So why weren't you mining them yourself?  If you were mining them, with a nationalist company that is pretty much always more wasteful, then getting a private company will reduce the waste and increase profits. Even if the private company is completely foreign and takes all the resources out of the country, they still pay the local people to build the mining and refinery factories, and still pay the local people to work to get the resource mined, refined, and delivered. The only wealth the company gets to keep is the small percentage of profit between the amount they sell it for, and the cost of getting it out of the ground (the cost that went entirely too the country). And you can't just decide to sell something at "triple the price." Things are sold on the market for whatever people will buy them for. A private company will pay labor whatever people will be willing to work for in that country, and sell the resources at the global rate. If you just take over and nationalize the mines and factories, and sell the materials at triple the price, all your workers will starve due to you not being able to sell anything.

For a real historical example, compare Venezuela, which is doing things exactly as you suggest, with nationalized resources, who's economy is in shambles and people are poor, and Poland, which after the fall of USSR privatized and sold everything to foreign investors, who came in and used their expertise to greatly improve the quality and efficiency of their factories, hired more people to work and increase production, and where, despite the "wealth being shipped elsewhere," living and economic conditions have improved drastically, and the country is much more wealthy than it was when it was nationalized.

Almost none of those list anything other than what I described, trying to open up countries to foreign trade and such, even if by deposing communist dictators. Where is the list of countries USA decided to invade and control as part of USA?

I guess Russia is part of that cartel

Thanks. That sucks Good for bitcoin I guess.


Why is that interesting?

You have a source? The only thing I can find is the restrictions imposed by Yanukovich back in December.

What do you mean by that? That Russia will invade and completely take over Ukraine? Because the "West" was not interested in invading and occupying Ukraine, or considered it "theirs." Ukraine was independent, and the "West" wanted economic trade and partnership with Ukraine. So how will it have "lost Ukraine?"

Russia still considering banning Bitcoin, while Ukraine opens a Bitcoin Embassy and plans to set up bitcoin ATMs around the country

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I wonder what bitcoin status will be in Novorossia? (though I personally doubt that it will be anything but Rossia once the fighting is over)

Sure, but considering the censorship in Russia, the takedown of blogs, the violence against anyone who doesn't go along with the party propaganda, the assassinations of reporters... It's a bit hard to believe. Plus the vast majority of the news posted here have come from RT, which is most definitely NOT mythological "fifth column"



Now THAT I know. It's actually quite a tragedy. Russians generally believe politics is stuff best left to politicians, and don't care to be involved with it, or what their politicians are doing. Which leaves their politicians to rob them of their wealth and freedom. When the Nazi government was burning people in ovens, Germans generally didn't care either, but at least now they admit that not caring was a huge mistake. Likewise, Ukraine really cares about their politics and politicians, and that's why they deposed Yanukovich when he started to rule Russian style, by stealing Ukrainians' wealth and freedoms, and is probably why Russian government freaked out about the protests so much, not wanting Russians to depose them for doing the same thing.

Well it's not the Illuminati that are doing it, cause we aren't responsible for any of that stuff.


Speaking of low IQ, I only mentioned that I am a count as the reason for why much of my family was exterminated by Soviets after the Russian revolution, not to brag about an essentially meaningless status. In case you forgot, once the Tsar was deposed and killed along with all his family, and communists started to gain power, everyone who was not a Bolshevik laborer was considered a bourgeoisie, with royals especially, and were hunted down and killed. But I guess your own IQ is so poor that you didn't even get that context.

Everything you wrote below sounds like politically motivated accounts not backed by actual evidence...



Lenin was born in Ulyanovsk, Russia. The revolution was in Russia. The start of communism was in Russia. The seat of power, Kremlin, was in Russia. The country that became Soviet Union and started invading other countries was Russia. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a half dozen foreigners came into Russia and completely subjugated all the people against their will? Of course not! The ideas may have been foreign (from Marx), but it was Russians who started the Bolsheviks, Russians who stated the communist party, Russians who joined that party and rallied support for Lenin and his ilk, and Russians who then started murdering mensheviks and anyone they considered to be an enemy of the state. And when Russian Soviet party started to invade other countries to make them be part or Soviet Union, was it anyone BUT Russian soldiers doing the invasion? What, did Ukrainians cross the border into Russia, joined the Soviet army, and then came home to invade themselves?

By the way, there was massive antisemitism (hate for Jews) in Russia are and post revolution. Russians (and sadly Ukrainians) used to attack Jewish towns, force the Jews into the street, then lay a layer of timber, then layer of jewish of people, then another layer of timber and another layer of people, into a high stack, then light the whole thing on fire as a method of extermination. There is still a lot of antisemitism in Russia today (even evidenced by your claim that original communists were Jews). So it's EXTREMELY doubtful that any of the original Russian Soviets would even consider listening to Jews, let alone allow themselves to be ruled by them.


ROFL! The "capitalist pigs that should all be murdered" Wall Street Capital? Are you insane? The entire Soviet rise to power was on the idea that the laborer should be empowered, and capitalists are fat pigs who exploit them and must be exterminated. Thousands of capitalists were murdered and their wealth and businesses taken by the Soviets when they came to power. Why the hell would Capitalist Wall Street support that? It's like suggesting that Hitler came to power, and the Jew exterminating concentration camps, were all thanks to funding by Jew bankers in America or something. How can one even believe such a thing?

Your history sounds very much like something written by Russia (because Russia is very good at writing and rewriting history like that.


Well, then Russians are very much fucked (which anyone who understands Russian economy and politics already knows).

Wrong. She called them faggots. It wasn't a message to faggots. I haven't heard any messages to faggots from Ukraine. Plenty from Russia though (from politicians, and their huge neonazi gangs).

To the whataboutism idiots who keep asking why USA is still occupying countries, the answer is because USA is an imperialist asshole that is trying to force it's control on everything and everyone.

Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?

They were KGB or KGB trained. The Soviet system came entirely out of Russia, and it was Russia invading other republics to build a Soviet Union. My family was targeted because they had royal ancestry (I'm a count), were intellectuals (Tsiolkovsky is my greatgreatgreatgrandfather, and my grandfather eventually became one of USSR's top scientists), and because they resisted and sometimes fought communists.


The country that invaded other countries and set up Soviet Union still exists. It's Russia. And the Ideology absolutely still exists, because I recognize it in its current actions. Why is it that Germany creates a Nazi party, kills millions of people, recognizes their fault and mistake, and tries everything it can to never repeat it, while Russia creates Soviet Union, kills millions of people, but then says they are not to blame, it was the Soviet political party, not Russia that it came from, and continues to try to make that mistake?


My main sources of information are Russian and "Western" media. I use my Kiev sources to verify claims, and I know how to read Russian propaganda "between the lines." It's also easy to read a Russian report about something, see photos from, say, Poland that show that this report is untrue, and figure out that most likely everything is the Russian report is not happening.

Whether the supply is fixed or inflating is irrelevant. It could be 15 trillion fiats taking up 90% of economy, or 100 trillion, but they still take up 90% of the new economy. New currencies and forms of wealth displace the old.


That has almost never been the case with collapsed fiat. Typically countries with collapsed fiat have no choice but to adopt another fiat, such as USD, or if their country forces a new fiat on them, treat it like risky garbage. If Peso collapses, government has USD wealth that they can use to hold power and force others to accept a new fiat. If USD collapses, what will US government use to maintain power, and what will they pay their troops with?

Hardware practically done, test units are in the office, just working on finishing the software and simplifying the UI. Hope to ship by end of the year, or early next year. Due to battery limitations (technology not there yet) the always-on mesh part will not work in the first versions of it, so radio will only be on and transmit when the card is on. We will probably implement full mesh when better battery technology comes out (carbon, or nanotube). You can see pictures of the device as it is now on http://www.mycelium.com

It probably has something to do with me coming from Ukraine, my family being murdered by soviet Russians, my family's wealth and houses being confiscated by Russians, my remaining family members being persecuted, spied on, blacklisted, and made life very difficult and dangerous for, and after most of us escaping, me still having family members in Ukraine, and friends in Kiev, some of whom were top people in Maidan protests, meaning I could get first hand witness reports about what was going on there, why they were protesting, and who was involved, as well as what has been going on since. Sorry, but I am much more concerned about huylo's troops invading and killing my friends and their families, than I am about Ukraine's weak government and barely sustainable military defending against huylo's "lost" "volunteer" "separatists".

But hey, if you want to remember me for anything else, I've been involved with bitcoin for 3.5 years, I was probably the first to buy a car with bitcoin (bought it for 1,000BTC when they were $22 each), I run Bitcoin100.org charity foundation, the oldest bitcoin charity in existence, I am one of the most trusted people on the forum, holding 150BTC for a charity, and am one of 7 treasurers for the forum, holding 750BTC of this forum's money, I donated and invested heavily in Armory, BitMessage, and Open Transactions since the beginning, I am know for my work with Mycelium, I am present at many bitcoin conventions around the world, where I do speaking presentations on bitcoin charities, new technologies, and wallets, as well as run Ask Bitcoin Experts tables, I have been in multiple bitcoin articles even in things like Wired Magazine and Forbes, and in many bitcoin videos and podcasts, and I personally know and am friends with most of the top known bitcoin people out there. So I'm definitely not just some paid shill troll off the street.

Not really sure who the rest of you nobodies are 

Why do you guys keep saying that they were cheated by Putin? Earlier you were saying that Putin was not sending Russian troops into Ukraine,  that he was not sending in Russian tanks and altilery, that Putin has nothing to do with what's going on in Ukraine, and that its stupid to make demands on Putin and sanction Russia if he is not involved in any way. How can he both be not involved, and cheat them?