Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[gmat]

I repeat the question for the Russians: who likes you? which nation?

[247crypto]

I repeat the question for the Russians: who likes you? which nation?

Why You ask this question in topic about Donetsk and Lugansk?

[myshownow]

I repeat the question for the Russians: who likes you? which nation?

LOL, another of the stupid wannabes from Maidan who can only see the trees but not the forest engulfing them.

Who loves Ukraine, you should ask? Because if they loved Ukraine, whose economy is now imploding, they should be showering you with investments now to stave off your impending economic collapse?

But just to stoop down to your question: the part of the world that is still growing supports Russia while the rest pretending to support Ukraine were just intimidated by the insolvent US ($220 trillion of unfunded liabilities vs. only $17 trilion GDP). But note that those coerced by the bankrupt US are also bankrupt. THe EU is on the cusp of third-dip recession and even Germany is not only shrinking (-.2% in the last quarter, but  the DEutsche Bank has $70 trillion derivative debt while the German GDP is only $2 trillion). SEe, only insolvent countries support insolvent UKraine. Coalition of the insolvent countries!!! You proud of that? The richest country now in the world is China , it is the banker of the US, and which country does China support? I felt corny writing that but that's what dealing with the Ukrainians do to you, you are made to stoop so low.

[myshownow]

The Ukraine fiasco is just a small event in a bigger canvas. This is about a change in the dynamics of the world financial system, which the insolvent formerly dominant Western countries are fighting desperately to stave off. They are in a panic, for sure.

A major event is coming this September. On the 26th, the BRICS Gold exchange Standard  currency will start with the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange to foreigners in the Shanghai Free Trade Zone. Financial nuclear war.

[Morbid]

The Ukraine fiasco is just a small event in a bigger canvas. This is about a change in the dynamics of the world financial system, which the insolvent formerly dominant Western countries is fighting desperately to stave off. They are in a panic, for sure.

A major event is coming this September. On the 26th, the BRICS Gold exchange Standard  currency will start with the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange to foreigners in the Shanghai Free Trade Zone. Financial nuclear war.

i wonder how much paper gold is gonna be circulating there..

[chopstick]

bitcoin will save us all. Lol

[Rassah]

I am truly sorry for your family. Are you sure that all their prosecutors were Soviet Russians? Is it possible that at least some of them were Soviet Ukrainians, Soviet Belarussians, Soviet Georgians etc... or were they just - Soviets? And do you know what triggered such harsh measures?

They were KGB or KGB trained. The Soviet system came entirely out of Russia, and it was Russia invading other republics to build a Soviet Union. My family was targeted because they had royal ancestry (I'm a count), were intellectuals (Tsiolkovsky is my greatgreatgreatgrandfather, and my grandfather eventually became one of USSR's top scientists), and because they resisted and sometimes fought communists.

Anyway. You've admitted two things: that your old personal issues with one country and one ideology who do not exist any more affects your reasoning today

The country that invaded other countries and set up Soviet Union still exists. It's Russia. And the Ideology absolutely still exists, because I recognize it in its current actions. Why is it that Germany creates a Nazi party, kills millions of people, recognizes their fault and mistake, and tries everything it can to never repeat it, while Russia creates Soviet Union, kills millions of people, but then says they are not to blame, it was the Soviet political party, not Russia that it came from, and continues to try to make that mistake?

and that your primary source of informations are your Maidan buddies.

My main sources of information are Russian and "Western" media. I use my Kiev sources to verify claims, and I know how to read Russian propaganda "between the lines." It's also easy to read a Russian report about something, see photos from, say, Poland that show that this report is untrue, and figure out that most likely everything is the Russian report is not happening.

[Morbid]

proof of russian invasion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZhKEIhcC8&list=UU3VDbjQ1hnY4zSRHgAfAK-A

[Rassah]

To the whataboutism idiots who keep asking why USA is still occupying countries, the answer is because USA is an imperialist asshole that is trying to force it's control on everything and everyone.

Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?

[Rassah]

Ukrainian MP has published a message to faggots (not mine word, but an exact quote from context)

http://www.ridus.ru/news/166999

I think that our faggots (Pagan & others) are capable to read this without translation.

Wrong. She called them faggots. It wasn't a message to faggots. I haven't heard any messages to faggots from Ukraine. Plenty from Russia though (from politicians, and their huge neonazi gangs).

[Morbid]

The Soviet system came entirely out of Russia, and it was Russia invading other republics to build a Soviet Union.

you see this is where you are wrong. studying non-politically motivated historical accounts a little better can easily fix that.
russians (as well as other nations within ussr) are also the victims of communist ideology which been imposed onto them from abroad (in fact from thinkers in great britain - the only monarchy left standing after ww1). then after coup that toppled czar in process foreign secret services (mostly british) organised a takeover of petrograd (now st piterburg) with introduction of communist ideology as a main sell point for confused and mislead public. trocki came from britain where he was trained. lenin came from switzerland together with paid international mercenaries and idea driven european communists (mostly ethnical jews). then to take the rest of the country the red army was established which was guided by the secret services and heavily sponsored by the wall street capital. once they won the war total destruction, theft, corruption and holodomor came to further break the country and extract wealth from it for western capital. mass murder became norm and huge citizen imprisonments followed, concentration camps were created, hunger etc. when stalin started to fight back for sovereignty he only managed to achieve that after 15 years walking along razor's edge exterminating the fifth column (or anyone related to it) - it was the only way, too much was being put at stake and too little time to achieve that. he was brutal man, but considering the circumstances he did manage to achieve the independence from the bankers after the final purges of 37-38. by the way stalin wasnt even marksist - its believed he had very tight links with few of the remaining generals loyal to czar within military who seen stalin as the only solution to save russia from globalists. when bankers realised that they lost the strings to pull inside ussr, plan b had to be implemented and unleash hitler dog on stalin. as a result of ww2 brits completely exhausted themselves and pound sterling lost its reserve status to be passed onto usd and carry on the fight into cold war following the bretton woods. number of proxy wars had to be waged by cia (globalist's new toy) to distract ussr. they finally toppled communist regime with its incompetent leaders who were total unaware morons following stalin's death, by introducing strong fifth column lead by gorbachev the power started to get dismantled from top to bottom. by reducing living standards, removing food from shelves, introducing cheap vodka, causing chernobyl disaster on purpose and not dealing with it properly also on purpose, creating ethnical conflicts in caucasus etc etc etc. by having all this they made socialism unattractive for the masses seeking better life. gorbachev received gratitudes from masonic order as a result of his deeds.

so as you can see the fight goes on. for better or worse time will tell. but after losing cold war and total collapse and pillage of russia thought nineties people refuse to be defeated. they have the right to fight for their independence from russian/zionist oligarchy & international globalists. the reason putin is so popular now is because he is the only straw that russians have to save themselves - and results are already very clear. he was placed there by the globalists but he cheated them over and created his own patriotic ideology which is by the way extremely democratic and fair. the reason why ukraine is suffering still is because the oligarchy has completely exhausted the soviet inheritance and draind everything they could off the people without putting anything back into the system. the zionist oligarchs which are the most powerful entities in ukraine are the ones controlling the mass media and poisoning ukrainians even abroad. they are the leeches and the enemy ukraininans need to get rid of to save themselves. obviously the self proclaimed ukrainian leaders are backed by the west and it would be in their own logical interests to direct all the ukrainian misfortunes on putin. you are being used again and again and again. knowing history without letting emotions take control will answer all your doubts. pragmatism and objective view on historical events will let you see exactly what has been happening, is happening and will happen in future. its ongoing competitive battle - it never stopped.

we are entering multipolar world. - deal with it!

[Rassah]

The Soviet system came entirely out of Russia, and it was Russia invading other republics to build a Soviet Union.

you see this is where you are wrong. studying non-politically motivated historical accounts a little better can easily fix that.

Everything you wrote below sounds like politically motivated accounts not backed by actual evidence...

russians (as well as other nations within ussr) are also the victims of communist ideology which been imposed onto them from abroad (in fact from thinkers in great britain - the only monarchy left standing after ww1). then after coup that toppled czar in process foreign secret services (mostly british) organised a takeover of petrograd (now st piterburg) with introduction of communist ideology as a main sell point for confused and mislead public. trocki came from britain where he was trained. lenin came from switzerland together with paid international mercenaries and idea driven european communists (mostly ethnical jews).

Lenin was born in Ulyanovsk, Russia. The revolution was in Russia. The start of communism was in Russia. The seat of power, Kremlin, was in Russia. The country that became Soviet Union and started invading other countries was Russia. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a half dozen foreigners came into Russia and completely subjugated all the people against their will? Of course not! The ideas may have been foreign (from Marx), but it was Russians who started the Bolsheviks, Russians who stated the communist party, Russians who joined that party and rallied support for Lenin and his ilk, and Russians who then started murdering mensheviks and anyone they considered to be an enemy of the state. And when Russian Soviet party started to invade other countries to make them be part or Soviet Union, was it anyone BUT Russian soldiers doing the invasion? What, did Ukrainians cross the border into Russia, joined the Soviet army, and then came home to invade themselves?

By the way, there was massive antisemitism (hate for Jews) in Russia are and post revolution. Russians (and sadly Ukrainians) used to attack Jewish towns, force the Jews into the street, then lay a layer of timber, then layer of jewish of people, then another layer of timber and another layer of people, into a high stack, then light the whole thing on fire as a method of extermination. There is still a lot of antisemitism in Russia today (even evidenced by your claim that original communists were Jews). So it's EXTREMELY doubtful that any of the original Russian Soviets would even consider listening to Jews, let alone allow themselves to be ruled by them.

then to take the rest of the country the red army was established which was guided by the secret services and heavily sponsored by the wall street capital. once they won the war total destruction, theft, corruption and holodomor came to further break the country and extract wealth from it for western capital.

ROFL! The "capitalist pigs that should all be murdered" Wall Street Capital? Are you insane? The entire Soviet rise to power was on the idea that the laborer should be empowered, and capitalists are fat pigs who exploit them and must be exterminated. Thousands of capitalists were murdered and their wealth and businesses taken by the Soviets when they came to power. Why the hell would Capitalist Wall Street support that? It's like suggesting that Hitler came to power, and the Jew exterminating concentration camps, were all thanks to funding by Jew bankers in America or something. How can one even believe such a thing?

Your history sounds very much like something written by Russia (because Russia is very good at writing and rewriting history like that.

the reason putin is so popular now is because he is the only straw that russians have to save themselves

Well, then Russians are very much fucked (which anyone who understands Russian economy and politics already knows).

[Morbid]

its a forum, i cant reference every word i write here. but i can easily back it up by few literature pieces not written by pesky russians by the way. its clear that you are unaware of the forces that are controlling this planet. these forces are above continental boundaries, country borders, national segragation, religious believes. there are forces that are above any president, prominent family or global corporation. they been standing in the shadows before biblical (modern history) times, first mentioned in egypt and kept their influence through top 50 and then onto top 300 families until today. to disregard what i mentioned above means you believe that the world is chaotic and totally random environment. it might sound bizzare to you but this world is a theatrical play, written in real time where the screenwriters are never mentioned. in this play people are bread, raised and slaughtered like sheep. everything you see and hear is there to stimulate your emotions and make you react. The reason we find ways to segregate ourselves are imposed onto us. we are all human beings and are the same afterall - unless we are convinced otherwise ofcourse. did you ever wonder why egyptian druids (priests) were having crooks that looks very similar to what shepperds are using?


stop being lead!

[myshownow]

(I'm a count

At the rate you're going, you will soon be detailing here your bank account. From Wired interviews to royalty... What's that got to do with a poor IQ? Will your insecure "self-aggrandizing" tactics prevent us from seeing you have a poor IQ?

Frankly, the danger with your tactics is you may be talking to somebody with more credentials than you. And that would be a blow to your clearly insecure self. Many became psychotic because of that- a blown self-deluding ego is the single biggest cause of Schizophrenia.

Pitiful really. But just a reminder, for your own good,  Reality check is in order. I know you are blinded by nationalist emotionalism but that doesn't give you a license to debate incompetently and waste our time.

[Morbid]

My main sources of information are Russian and "Western" media. I use my Kiev sources to verify claims, and I know how to read Russian propaganda "between the lines." It's also easy to read a Russian report about something, see photos from, say, Poland that show that this report is untrue, and figure out that most likely everything is the Russian report is not happening.

there are plenty of ukrainian media reports that pick up things that are mentioned in russian media sources and then "prooves it wrong" so to speak. did it ever occur to you that there is a very strong fifth column in russia right now which is hard at work trying to discredit current government? russia still didnt go through 37-38, remember? did it ever occur to you that not everything is controlled by all-seeing czar putin? could that be possible for fifth column in russia to operate in tandem with its masters and make these false reports that are mostly ignored in russia but are heavily propped up in ukraine as "total proof of putin lies and russians being slave zombies"! really? so ask yourself - who is being fooled and manipulated here? if these practices go on for several years then it really takes a toll on general population of ukraine getting to know that russians are "fine with that bs". well guess what - russians utterly dont care! russians are not as politicaly insane as ukrainians were made to be! wake up! im not having a go at you - im just viewing you as a victim of propoganda. ukraine always had russian tv channels aired, ever wondered why as soon as coup took place they got switched off?

and dont get me started on ukrainian media. this ukrainian guy here debunks it on daily basis:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVPYbobPRzz0SjinWekjUBw

[samaricanin]

Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?

What is the land occupied by russia

[deisik]

By the way, there was massive antisemitism (hate for Jews) in Russia are and post revolution. Russians (and sadly Ukrainians) used to attack Jewish towns, force the Jews into the street, then lay a layer of timber, then layer of jewish of people, then another layer of timber and another layer of people, into a high stack, then light the whole thing on fire as a method of extermination. There is still a lot of antisemitism in Russia today (even evidenced by your claim that original communists were Jews). So it's EXTREMELY doubtful that any of the original Russian Soviets would even consider listening to Jews, let alone allow themselves to be ruled by them.

Instead of being doubtful, you'd better go and look for ethnicity of the top Bolsheviks (this information is freely available on the net). Also, the most ingrained and dyed-in-the-wool anti-semites are the Jews themselves (though you may consider this as extremely doubtful too), and the hate you're talking about had been instigated by their leaders...

Disclaimer: I have nothing against the Jews as a people

[Nemo1024]

Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?

What is the land occupied by russia

He consistently confuses Russia with USA...  You have to forgive him.


In more interesting announcements:

Lugansk People's Republic refuses to relinquish control over Lugansk/Russian border to Kiev. Igor Plotnitskij, head of LNR, had this to say:

"I've already said that any attempt to turn the Misk accord against us will not pass. We signed this accord as an agreement about peaceful co-existence. It will not be allowed to isolate or strangle us. We will not give away the our borders with brotherly Russia to hostile control. But we are ready for an economic competition with Ukraine. The whole world will soon see, that without the working Donbass, Ukraine is doomed to mass poverty and degradation."

http://ria.ru/world/20140909/1023377982.html

[karma9]

Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?

What is the land occupied by russia

http://mediarnbo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/09-09_eng.jpg

here, educate yourself

[myshownow]

Lugansk People's Republic refuses to relinquish control over Lugansk/Russian border to Kiev. Igor Plotnitskij, head of LNR, had this to say:

"I've already said that any attempt to turn the Misk accord against us will not pass. We signed this accord as an agreement about peaceful co-existence. It will not be allowed to isolate or strangle us. We will not give away the our borders with brotherly Russia to hostile control. But we are ready for an economic competition with Ukraine. The whole world will soon see, that without the working Donbass, Ukraine is doomed to mass poverty and degradation."

http://ria.ru/world/20140909/1023377982.html

Very good move. Frankly, they should ask all the Ukrainian forces to get out of both Donetsk & Lugansk to show they have goodwill & stay away 50 km from the border.. Ceasefires are for confidence building with the Donetsk & Lugansk forces and after the genocide done to them, it's the Ukrainians who should show they are serious with their desire for peace.

Of course, we know they are not serious, the bankrupt West won't allow itself to be beaten (though they are already beaten ). So continue with the charade in Donetsk & Lugansk but the movements in other areas should start, especially in Zaporizhje. Anyway, they are not covered by the ceasefire agreement.

While the Ukraine fiasco is just a small event in the bigger drama at play, it's best not to allow the Ukrainians much room for delusions. Clear thinking is not an attribute of Ukrainians, that's why they have been dominated throughout their history. What's funny is they were too stupid to hitch their final claim for glory on a crumbling empire, and it's obvious they never knew better. Neither will they ever will.

Good  thinking , Lugansk.