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621  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 28, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Grayscale have apparently bought another 17,000BTC in the last 7 days. The bull run is coming, boys.

The circulating supply is drying up, the price will reflect this in the next 18 months.


with all this buying, I really wonder who tf is selling all those bitcoin 45% under ATH price which was fkn almost 3 years ago. selling the best performing asset in the history of finance when it is on its way out of multiyear lows, one must be truly nuts. why tf did truly nuts folks buy it in the first place? just for trading? billions worth of coins only sold by traders? OG whales not patient enough to wait a few more months?
miners? miners that need to cover cost? but them mining only 900 btc a day, so... unlikely. scared retail? I don't think. why getting scared now, the time to get scared and panic sell was in March.

tinfoil hat therory: some entity (yeah- deep pocket banks or alike) bought a shitton of btc to dump it on every little sign of bull during this next potential run-up. because they know the next run-up is the last run-up.   Wink

well ok, not very likely. but who is selling?
622  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 26, 2020, 11:57:34 AM
No one will shove big amounts of money into bitcoin before the U.S. election. Selling big chunks is also unlikely but not as unlikely as investing.
I expect price to stay in the range through October. Coiling the spring to unbearable tension.

Also, a big move down at stocks is looming around the corner and everyone waits to see if btc gets dragged down again.

623  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
All of this verbiage is relevant only if you started LONG time ago.

If you stated 1 year ago and DCA ($100/wk), then $$ in btc are amazingly, 100% (or close to it) correlated with Gold and 90% correlated with stocks.

Check for yourself at your fav link.

https://dcabtc.com?sd=2019-09-25&sda=1_year&f=weekly&d=1_year&ac=10000&c=true

Thereby, I pronounce btc "currently correlated"...until it is not.

The fact that it was not correlated in 2012-2019 is great for those who invested back then, including many here, but does nothing for the newcomers.
Maybe for newcomers it is just a better form of money, NOT a better investment vehicle.

However, if btc appreciate just 7% yearly from now on going forward, I would be largely content as long as it is limited to a 50% yearly draw-down, like a stock market and NOT 50% daily decline.



i was indeed making a statement about presently occurring correlation/decoupling. JJG isn't wrong about the long term picture, you are correct regarding shorter terms  Smiley
624  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 07:12:52 PM
600 there were a couple more answers further back too  Cool

I think I saw two additional answers and I did merit them. did I miss any?
625  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
i am taking a bet on CT. if price reaches $400k before next halving I lose 1 btc. if it doesn't, I win 1 btc.

already salivating...

Sorry, what's CT?

CryptoTwitter. absolutely bonkers. peak tribalism and a lot of fun.
626  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 25, 2020, 06:29:14 PM


Mehr dazu hier : https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me/html/what-is-bitcoin.de.html

Bin mal auf eure Meinungen gespannt  Grin




looool "und niemand arbeitet darauf hin, seinen Wert stabil zu halten"

dem kann zumindest insofern nicht widersprochen werden, dass ausgerechnet die Zentralbanken der Welt mit Hochdruck darauf hinarbeiten seinen Wert zu erhöhenCheesy

money printer goes "brrrrrrrrrr" meme, you know
627  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 06:23:35 PM
i am trying to find out how money transfers through banks technically work (ACH, SEPA). I cannot find anything useful, there are just general descriptions but not detailed technical descriptions. what I want to find out is to what level present day money transfers between private consumers or between business and customer are automated/digitized. how do clearing houses work under the hood? how do they receive, control and process transactions? how are their databases connected or are their kept separate? 

i am willing to rain merits for useful info. or even sats. is there a banker here or someone with prime knowledge about this topic?


thank you!

https://engineering.gusto.com/how-ach-works-a-developer-perspective-part-1/



uups, already out of merit. I owe you 5 merits !
628  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
today the dollar got stronger but bitcoin also was rising.  usually, when the dollar is strong bitcoin is falling and when the dollar is weak, bitcoin price rises. check the charts and look what happened in 2017 and also in the first half of 2020.

decouple from eth
decouple from dollar
decouple from gold
decouple from stocks

this will be fun.

629  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
i am taking a bet on CT. if price reaches $400k before next halving I lose 1 btc. if it doesn't, I win 1 btc.

already salivating...


How can I make a bet/hedge like that? Asking for friend...

what is your twitter handle? I can dm you his betting offer and maybe he is willing take more than just the bet with me. since it will be done via smart contract on bitcoin once it is set up, no cheating is possible.
630  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 02:23:13 PM
i am taking a bet on CT. if price reaches $400k before next halving I lose 1 btc. if it doesn't, I win 1 btc.

already salivating...
631  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 12:39:47 PM
i am trying to find out how money transfers through banks technically work (ACH, SEPA). I cannot find anything useful, there are just general descriptions but not detailed technical descriptions. what I want to find out is to what level present day money transfers between private consumers or between business and customer are automated/digitized. how do clearing houses work under the hood? how do they receive, control and process transactions? how are their databases connected or are their kept separate? 

i am willing to rain merits for useful info. or even sats. is there a banker here or someone with prime knowledge about this topic?


thank you!
632  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 11:09:38 AM
Never mind the aliens, ... yet.

The most suprising event this year is not the assassination of the Iranian top general Qasem Soleimani, BLM, wildfires ore Covid-19 but the release of U.F.O footages from 2005/2015/2017 by the U.S goverment.


Aliens smell like farts. If they land they will stink the place out.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a29932234/what-would-aliens-smell-like/

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...Which led my son to one inescapable conclusion: If aliens exist, they probably smell like farts.

I don’t know enough about farts, Mars, or aliens to refute him, so I reached out to somebody who does: Clara Sousa-Silva, a molecular astrophysics postdoctoral associate at MIT.

“Your son is absolutely correct in his inference,” she told me. “Most of my work in astrobiology looks at anaerobic environments, which have a lot in common with the environments that produce farts. So, yes, aliens are reasonably likely to smell like farts.”

Now I know what Ripley was smelling...



 Given the situation, I'd likely be smelling my own shit.



I have often wondered about alien life from other stars..if they have visited this solar system and this planet.
What possible reason would they have to invest significant resources traveling trillions and trillions of miles to visit a insignificant planet circling a unremarkable main sequence star on the outer edge of a galaxy basically in the middle of nowhere.
If they are still here observing for some reason and unwilling or unable to reveal their presence in full.
 
I think about the complexity of escaping a gravity well. The energy required just to get into orbit from Earth is immense and if the planet was just 50% larger in diameter standard physics would make that task impossible.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/07/06/if_earth_was_50_larger_we_might_be_stuck_here.html

How fortunate we that Earth has just the right atmospheric composition and density to make fire, thus being able to smelt ores into metals. Leading us into the technological age and the ability to construct machines capable of leaving our atmosphere.
It is some 11.186 km/s to escape earths gravity and a increase up to 16.6 km/s to leave the solar system. Thats leaving from Earth of course..the farther you fall into the Sun's gravity well the more delta v needed for escape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity#List_of_escape_velocities

Thats just the solar system now...if you want to travel galactic you need somewhere at the minimum of 500-600 km/s of delta v to escape Sagittarius A*'s clutches.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-international-astronomical-union/article/rave-survey-constraining-the-local-galactic-escape-speed/8CEC76CD4DDE5F795640C2FEA0936F68#

All of the technology described above possible, but only on a limited scale with the energy densities humanity now achieves.
A civilisation perhaps only a few thousand years older than our own 'recorded' ten thousand years might be capable of such feats.
Let alone one that might have existed a million years before humans rose up from the plains. A trivial amount of time in the grand scheme of things and entirely possible.

Except for a few things...where are the signs? Besides a few grainy videos and a plethora of unsubstantiated testimony..nothing so far. And astronomically speaking..zip as well..no sub relativistic transients..or relativistic ones for that matter.
Ships traveling at any significant speed between stars in normal space would be extremely obvious in stellar photography. So would the energy signature used to achieve that speed. 

So it again begs the question..why? If they have the technology to completely mask their presence and travel the stars unobserved..why the hell are they here watching us?

A clown act? A comedy or perhaps more like a tragedy? Some form of zoo run amuck? One could claim shoddy custodianship if that is the case.

 
On the other side of that...I have thought about what it might look like if I was an alien and encountered a human for the first time. What my impressions might be.

Intelligent bipedal/binocular hominid with non-cooperative societal constructs and homicidal tendencys.   
Incredibly environmentally destructive while being adaptive to change and a prolific ability to reproduce given the right conditions.
Eats and converts matter internally into energy.
Must consumes daily liters of liquid hydrogen/oxygen and most actually enjoy bathing and swimming in the stuff.

So on to what I really was thinking and wanted to talk about.   Tongue

Dark matter and dark beings. How the Universe appears to be made up of less than 5% baryonic matter..the other 25% being dark matter and 70% dark energy.
Humanity manipulating and consuming a substance perhaps the majority of the Universes inhabitants can't see and interact with. Being made out of this rare matter, living in and on the edge of immense crushing burning oblate spheroids of the stuff.

If there are dark beings, how violent and strange our baryonic Universe must seem with all these strange particles and waves bashing around.

It could be that humanity is more alien than one might think and might be worthy of study.

/rando thursday thoughts


also..in closing

juansnow

fuck ftfy

i am sure it has been suggested here before and I guess you did already read it since it covers exactly that topic: interaction with alien civilization. Liu Cixin´s trilogy "Remembrance of Earth's Past" (1.The Three-Body Problem, 2.The Dark Forest, 3.Death's End) is a fantastic read. all civilizations come to the point where they become aware of the possibility of other civilizations existing and they need to figure out if this is a general threat. most come to the conclusion it is best to hide and preemptively destroy everything that could resemble an alien civilization in order to not get annihilated themselves.

it is an interesting intellectual challenge to discuss the pros and contras of trying to contact alien civilizations given the threat of annihilation.  

there is no doubt in my mind that life exists not only on earth. much less abundant, but in an universe of endless size that doesn't really matter, would be not just primitive life but technical advanced civilizations. imho the problem is the size of the universe. there could be millions of civilizations way too far away for any interaction. the other problem is time. given just the 14 billion years our universe is thought of being old, it is very unlikely to have another civilization synchronized to our technical progress.

and even if there was accidentally a near civilization in space and time, why would they want contact? what is there to gain?                  

on the other hand there is also the chance that such contact has happened in the past and was in fact the reason for life to get started on earth in the first place or was the reason for the evolution of humans from apes.

when smoking really good weed one could even wonder if bitcoin is an alien technology, sent to us by benevolent aliens who wanted to safe us from destroying ourselves because of an ill-designed (fiat)money system.

633  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-need-to-act-boldly-now-if-we-are-to-avoid-economy-wide-lockdowns-to-halt-climate-change-11600879250

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LONDON (Project Syndicate)—As COVID-19 spread earlier this year, governments introduced lockdowns in order to prevent a public-health emergency from spinning out of control. In the near future, the world may need to resort to lockdowns again—this time to tackle a climate emergency.

Shifting Arctic ice, raging wildfires in western U.S. states and elsewhere, and methane leaks in the North Sea are all warning signs that we are approaching a tipping point on climate change, when protecting the future of civilization will require dramatic interventions.

seems legit Tongue

the next rise of facism will ride on the environmentalist wave. eco-facism. big challenge for bitcoin.
634  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 24, 2020, 05:57:33 PM
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No one can buy a pizza with their stock, bonds, real estate, gold, or derivatives.  
No one cares.  #Bitcoin does not need to be a medium of exchange.
https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1309110151107018756
Let's go BTC
Funny how a multi-millionaire Bitcoin supporter can say this (because it speaks truth) and get away with it and nobody says shit, while an average Joe retail bitcoiner says the exact same thing for years and gets called a "Bitcoin maximalist" and "small blocker".  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'm still keeping an eyebrow raised towards that Saylor dude. I want to believe he's a genuine long, but if there is one thing crypto has taught me, it's "Don't trust anyone".

I totally understand your suspicion.  And sort of feel it too... But the thing is he's the CEO of a publicly traded company.  He can't be lying about this without HUGE consequences.  Now his intent for how long he stays in??  Thats a different matter.  If we get a big bump and he thinks he can get out at least partially with something like a 20% gain... well he certainly could.

Have you heard any of his myriad interviews?  He is a great actor if he's just pretending to have been bitten by the BTC bug.


I did listen to several and I do think he is genuine. he has a several decades long professional background in IT with a focus on digital networks. seems like he went from no-coiner to hardened maxi within a few months. one got to have conviction for bitcoin to put $450million in. he does. CT is worshipping him already..  Smiley
635  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 24, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
on-ramps für bitcoin. sehr gut.


https://t3n.de/news/sutor-bank-bit4coin-starten-bitcoin-plattform-1323229/


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Durch die Kooperation mit der Sutor-Bank entsteht eine der wenigen regulierungskonformen Plattformen für den Kauf von Bitcoins in Deutschland, wie die beiden Unternehmen betonen. „Wir glauben, dass Bitcoins Geld von Menschen für Menschen sind, und wollen die Verbreitung von Bitcoins unterstützen“,


unabhängiges, faires, unbeschlagnahmbares, dezentrales, fälschungssicheres, leicht verifizierbares, liquides, neutrales VOLKSgeld.

636  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 24, 2020, 05:31:21 PM
observing 100btc sell wall on stamp at 10710
637  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 21, 2020, 12:35:26 PM
https://www.wiwo.de/politik/europa/kryptowaehrungen-bitcoin-und-co-nicht-laenger-ignorieren-sondern-regulieren/26204018.html

was für ein uninformierter und polemischer Beitrag vom Grünen Politiker Giegold:

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Die faszinierende Technologie hinter Bitcoin und Co. könnte Finanzdienstleistungen schneller, günstiger und kundenfreundlicher machen. Doch solange die kriminelle Nutzung einzelner Kryptowährungen weiter floriert, kommen Kryptowerte und andere Blockchain-Anwendungen nicht aus der Schmuddelecke. Regulierung ist überfällig. Ein Gastbeitrag.

Artikel teilen per:

 
Sven Giegold ist Mitglied des Europäischen Parlaments für Bündnis90/Die Grünen NRW sowie Sprecher der deutschen Grünen im Europaparlament.

Gerade erst ließ Olaf Scholz verlauten, dass sich Deutschland in einer Allianz mit Frankreich, Italien, Spanien und den Niederlanden für eine strenge Regulierung von Libra einsetzen will, dem Digitalwährungsprojekt von Facebook. Selbst ein Verbot könne man sich vorstellen. Eine harte Linie gegenüber geplanten privatwirtschaftlichen Währungsgroßprojekten ist zwar richtig. Die Vorsorge darf aber nicht über die längst bestehenden Missstände bei den existierenden Kryptowährungen hinwegtäuschen. Bereits heute gehen von Kryptowährungen wie Bitcoin oder Ether eklatante Probleme aus. Zwar hat sich die anfängliche Befürchtung, dass diese in kurzer Zeit zu flächendeckend genutzten Alternativwährungen ohne demokratischen Kontrolle aufsteigen könnten, vorerst nicht bewahrheitet. Der ökologische Fußabdruck jedoch ist aufgrund eines horrenden Stromverbrauchs oftmals desaströs. Außerdem haben sich Kryptowährungen weltweit zu einem unersetzlichen Vehikel für Kriminelle entwickelt.

Ein Tummelplatz für Kriminelle und Betrüger

Ohne Kryptowährungen wären viele Formen von Cyberkriminalität und ihr Ausmaß nicht denkbar. Kryptowährungen sind das bevorzugte Zahlungsmittel auf den illegalen Handelsplätzen des Darknets. Wer dort Waffen, geschützte Wildtiere und Pflanzen, Drogen, Angriffe auf Internetserver oder Kinderpornographie kauft, zahlt nicht per Kreditkarte, sondern mit Bitcoin oder Monero. Dass es sich dabei nicht um Nischenphänomene handelt, zeigen Fahndungserfolge wie die Abschaltung des Wall Street Market, einer Handelsplattform mit über 5000 registrierten Verkäufern und über 1 Million Kundenkonten im Jahr 2019. Studien zeigen, dass Kryptowährungen auch bei Terrorfinanzierung, Geldwäsche und Steuerhinterziehung zum Einsatz kommen. Bei der digitalen Erpressung mit Schadsoftware wie etwa WannaCry werden die Lösegelder fast immer in Kryptowährungen gefordert. Und Anlagebetrüger nutzen sogenannte „Initial Coin Offerings“, um Anleger*innen wertlose Tokens zu verkaufen. Naturgemäß ist die Entwicklung dieser Phänomene nur schwer systematisch zu beobachten. Die Bundeslagebilder Cybercrime des Bundeskriminalamts weisen aber seit Jahren Anstiege bei den Delikten mit Kryptowährungsbezug aus.


Der Reiz von Kryptowährungen für Kriminelle und Betrüger liegt auf der Hand. Sie lassen sich ohne großen Aufwand nutzen und ermöglichen schnelle Zahlungen auch über Ländergrenzen hinweg. Vor allem aber gewährleisten die meisten Kryptowährungen - anders als die Zahlungswege des klassischen Finanzsystems - weitestgehende Anonymität. Die jahrzehntelangen Bemühungen, Kriminellen den Geldhahn abzudrehen, stehen damit vor einer neuen Herausforderung.

Strafverfolgung erleichtern

Zwar stimmt es, dass Zahlungen in den gängigen Kryptowährungen nicht anonym, sondern lediglich unter Pseudonym getätigt werden. Zusammen mit den meist offen einsehbaren Transaktionsregistern ergibt sich so in einzelnen Fällen die Möglichkeit, Zahlungen nachzuvollziehen und Begünstigte zu ermitteln. Allerdings erfordert dies erheblichen forensischen Aufwand und ist letztlich auf Fehler und Nachlässigkeiten der zu ermittelnden Personen angewiesen. Zusätzlich erschweren Verschleierungstechniken wie sogenannte Mixer oder Tumbler zunehmend die Nachvollziehbarkeit. Akteure, die Kryptowährungs-Transaktionen geschäftsmäßig vermitteln oder durchführen, sind bisher nur in eingeschränktem Umfang verpflichtet, die Identität von Transaktionspartnern zu erheben und zu verifizieren. Europäische Vorgaben können durch Anbieter aus Drittländern umgangen werden. So wird es kriminellen Geschäften einfach gemacht.


Kryptowährungen und die beteiligten Akteure werden damit weitaus nachlässiger behandelt als Banken und andere Anbieter klassischer Zahlungsdienstleistungen. Über Jahrzehnte wurden hier strikte Regeln aufgebaut und Lücken geschlossen, um Begünstigte von Zahlungen im Rahmen von strafrechtlichen Ermittlungen schnell und zuverlässig identifizieren zu können. Bargeld bietet zwar eine deutlich geringere Nachvollziehbarkeit, muss aber zur Zahlung physisch den Besitzer wechseln. Die kriminelle Nutzbarkeit von Bargeld ist unbestritten. Daraus lässt sich jedoch nicht ableiten, dass der Kampf gegen Kriminalität bei anderen Zahlungsmitteln nicht mit voller Kraft geführt werden sollte. Transaktionen mit Kryptowährungen sind unter wirtschaftlichen und praktischen Gesichtspunkten vergleichbar mit gewöhnlichen Überweisungen und dementsprechend an denselben hohen Standards zu messen. Die faktische Anonymität im Bereich der Kryptowährungen ist unfairer Wettbewerb gegenüber regulierten Zahlungsdienstleistern.


Bargeld ist als Zahlungsmittel weltweit auf dem Rückzug. Doch der Widerstand gegen seine Abschaffung wächst – auch aus sozialen Gründen.
Die bestehenden strengen Anforderungen an Banken und andere Finanzmarktakteure bringen einen breiten gesellschaftlichen Konsens zum Ausdruck, die Anonymität im Zahlungsverkehr zugunsten der Möglichkeit effektiver Strafverfolgung einzuschränken. Wer sich nicht an Regeln und Gesetze hält, soll zur Verantwortung gezogen werden können. Die Nachvollziehbarkeit von Zahlungen und wirtschaftlich Begünstigten ist aus dem Werkzeugkasten behördlicher Ermittlungen richtigerweise nicht mehr wegzudenken. Bislang jedoch können Kriminelle praktisch ungehindert auf Kryptowährungen ausweichen, weil sich viele Gesetzgeber - insbesondere die Europäische Union - nicht an eine konsequente Regulierung von Kryptowährungen und anderen Kryptowerten herantrauen. Dieses Tabu muss nun endlich gebrochen werden.

 
Kryptowerte raus aus der Schmuddelecke

Auf europäischer Ebene gibt es deutliche Signale, dass die Zeit für eine Regulierung gekommen sein könnte. Nachdem bereits der Ministerrat diese eingefordert hat, wird in den kommenden Wochen auch das Europäische Parlament Regelungsvorschläge verabschieden. Der federführende Wirtschafts- und Währungsausschuss hat auf grüne Initiative hin schon harte Regeln in die Beschlussvorlage für das Plenum des Europaparlaments aufgenommen. Die EU-Kommission plant, noch im Herbst einen Gesetzesentwurf vorzulegen. Dabei wird es darauf ankommen, der Vielfalt im Bereich der Kryptowerte gerecht zu werden. So haben etwa Bitcoin und Libra sehr viel weniger gemein, als das gemeinsame Label „Krypto“ suggeriert. Hier kann ein guter Regelungsrahmen auch Klarheit für Verbraucher schaffen. Die bisher bekannt gewordenen Vorschläge der EU-Kommission will für einen neuen Typ regulierter Kryptowerte Märkte und Rahmenbedingungen zu schaffen. Das ist gut, aber fatalerweise bleiben dabei rein dezentral betriebene Kryptowährungen wie Bitcoin außen vor, obwohl gerade hier akuter Bedarf an der Durchsetzung von Regeln besteht. Hier braucht es klare und konsequente Vorschläge, wie diese Lücke geschlossen werden kann.

Der Ausschuss für Wirtschaft und Währung des Europaparlaments hat nun Vorschläge formuliert, wie eine lückenlose Regulierung von Kryptowerten gelingen kann. Entscheidend im Kampf gegen die kriminelle Nutzung ist es, Anbieter und Dienstleister im Bereich der Kryptowerte konsequent zur zuverlässigen Identifikation ihrer Kunden zu verpflichten, wie es im traditionellen Finanzbereich seit Jahren üblich ist. Strenge Transparenz-Regeln für Kryptowerte, die wie Anlageprodukte funktionieren, müssen Anleger besser vor Betrug schützen. Gegen das Unterlaufen der europäischen Regeln durch Anbieter außerhalb der Europäischen Union muss konsequent vorgegangen werden. Um dem grenzüberschreitenden Modell der meisten Kryptowerte gerecht zu werden, braucht es gemeinsame europäische Aufsichtsstandards, idealerweise sogar einen europäischen Krypto-Aufseher.

Bei all dem geht es nicht darum, Kryptowerte kaputt zu regulieren, wie lautstarke Kritiker suggerieren. Im Gegenteil: Die Blockchain- beziehungsweise Distributed-Ledger-Technologie hinter Bitcoin und Co. bietet die Chance auf sicherere, schnellere und günstigere Zahlungsdienstleistungen, neue Finanzierungsmöglichkeiten und vieles mehr. Momentan leiden solche legitimen Angebote jedoch unter dem Stigma, das Kryptowerte aufgrund ihrer Verbindung mit Cyberkriminalität, Betrug und illegalen Geschäften anhaftet. Nur eine konsequente Kriminalitätsbekämpfung und ein Rahmenwerk, das Rechtssicherheit bietet, können virtuelle Assets mittelfristig aus der Schmuddelecke holen. Das heißt: Regulierung hilft innovativen und rechtschaffenen Start-ups und bekämpft Kriminelle zugleich. Deshalb sollte Europa diese Regulierung rasch angehen.


wo in Europa kann man denn ohne KYC und AML bitcoin kaufen? Das "Stigma der Kryptowerte aufgrund ihrer Verbindung mit Cybrekriminalität" kommt doch genau daher, dass Leute wie er scheinbar davon besessen sind, das bitcoin nur von Kriminellen benutzt wird. das problem wird solange herbeigeredet, bis die endlich eine neue Behörde von unserem Steuergeld finanziert werden kann...
638  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 21, 2020, 10:18:59 AM
what were and what are the main counter arguments vs bitcoin? when it was new, everyone thought it was a stupid idea. it was said that bitcoin

-would not work
-will get hacked
-has no intrinsic value
-cannot scale
-will get outlawed
-is too complicated


around 2013, when it was already running for some years it was said that bitcoin

-will get hacked
-has no intrinsic value
-cannot scale
-is used by criminals and therefore
-will get outlawed
-is too complicated
-uses too much energy
-is a bubble

when shitcoin peddlers started their offensive a few years ago there came a new set of arguments

-is too slow
-is old tech
-fees too expensive
-will fade like MySpace

fast forward to present: what are the current arguments of bitcoin critics:

-will get hacked
-has no intrinsic value
-cannot scale
-is used by criminals and therefore
-will get outlawed
-is too complicated
-uses too much energy
-is a bubble
-is too slow
-is old tech
-fees too expensive
-will fade like MySpace

(please add to the list the arguments missing here)

what is surprising is that all counter arguments are from years ago. bitcoin is running for a decade now. the critics had enough time to dig all through it and come up with really well thought arguments. but they didn't. all those smart economists, all the gifted shitcoin proponents, all the scared bankers - all they do is echoing  the same old arguments from years before.

endeavors of this magnitude, with millions of people deploying billions of dollars into the project usually come with a shitload of trade-offs and compromises and mis-allocation of capital. with bitcoin even the hardest critics can't come up with new arguments.

this is a bullish sign.

few understand this.
639  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 21, 2020, 05:57:07 AM
https://twitter.com/nickgiambruno/status/1307389546561179653

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A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.

A quadrillion seconds ago was 32 million years ago.

A quintillion seconds ago was 32 billion years ago. (The age of the universe is 13.8 billion years.)

The computing power that secures Bitcoin is 139 quintillion calculations PER SECOND.

So, according to the above numbers, it takes only about 3 milliseconds (0.003 seconds) for the Bitcoin network to perform as many calculations as there are seconds since the birth of the universe!

In other words, in every second that passes, the above process is repeated more than 300 times!

Wow! Just WOW!


thatiswowindeed!  139 quintillion calculations per second, but only 7 transactions made in that that same time. this is the polar opposite of efficiency. it shows how much of the power of this network goes into security and protection of those 7 transactions.

we are trained for efficiency. no matter what we do, we try to do it more efficiently next time. bitcoin is different. it gives up efficiency completely to ensure maximum security. that is counter-intuitive and makes it hard to understand and is one of the reasons for the existence of shitcoinery: "my blockchain is faster.."

the bitcoin algorithm is a monster. secured by 139 quintillion calculations per 7 transactions.

if you want to build a tank the equivalent thickness of the steel used would need to be 500yards. moves slow but no weapon existing could penetrate it, not even in theory.
640  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2020, 05:38:53 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/analyst-1500-bitcoins-lost-every-day-less-than-14-million-coins-will-ever-circulate/

While I am of the opinion that 21 mil "theoretical" coin number should not be touched, this number '1500" lost every day is actually quite interesting.
If true, this means 600 (from 1500-900)X1304 (days until April 15, 20024, which is the midpoint between Feb and June 2024, theoretical timing for next halving)=782K coins lost until next halving.
After that, if losses at 1500 a day continue, we would be losing roughly 1050 a day on balance or about 1.5 mil more coins until 2028 halving.
8 cycles (~30 years) at this level or slightly increasing due to halvings and ALL coins would be gone, poof, evaporated.

Maybe his 1500 number is incorrect, though, it is difficult to pin down.

EDIT:
As a purely theoretical exercise, I can see the following happening if most or almost all coins are really lost in 30-40 years:
1. Remember the "stone" money (Rai stones)? In one curious occasion one stone accidentally drowned, but was still used by villagers to do transactions in a "virtual" chain of custody. They were referring to it as if it was present even when it was not accessible.
2. If losses of coins will exceed certain %, I am sure that there will be a proposal to make some reference to Satoshi's coins (if they are still not moved) to be such lost "stone".
3. Of course, that would be fractional reserves and the "bad" cycle would start anew.


I remember a scientific study about this topic. the researchers came to the conclusion that bitcoin is far too safe and rare to be used as money since people make mistakes and people die and in both cases coins are lost forever, the number of circulating bitcoin would shrink so drastically that it would be rendered useless. this was coming out around 2013, can't find it via google.
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