Est. Monthly Internet Searches: Bitcoin 2,746,000 ETH 1,830,000 Tether 1,220,000 BTC 1,000,000 LTC 673,000 BCH 246,000 Monero 201,000 Cardano 165,000 XBT 40,500 Litecoin 40,500 XRP 33,100 Ripple 22,200 XMR 27,100 USDT 14,800 Ethereum 8,100 Bitcoin Cash 2,900 (src @estibotcom) https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/1111131198020112385?s=21Good morning WO’s gotta substract all meth heads who misstyped meth = -1.5 mio gotta substract all students/searches of the ETH university in switzerland = - 0.33 mio bitcoin/btc/xbt = 3.78 mio ethereum = 8100 seems legit  |
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the alt-shitshow never ends. half the industry is an ongoing scam. we need theories about how alts became a thing and why they are still a thing. and we need to come up with a plan to end this this shitcoinery. I don't think that they can be ended. They can be tolerated and considered as unimportant, similar how Hairy framed the matter in an earlier post. Even satoshi seemed to account for them in his very first writings, before such alt coins and imitation attack vectors even existed. There is a kind of human nature to try to get rich, to try to improve upon things by copying and imitation, and even thoughts about missing the boat on bitcoin and investing into various scams comes off as inevitably part of the playing out that will likely take close to 50 years to play out.. and even then will bitcoin take up 80-90% of value perhaps? but that remaining 10-20% would be quite difficult (if not impossible) to reign in. So why spend considerable efforts on fighting them, beyond education and of course, if they directly engage in fraud and deception then the individuals might be prosecuted.. but what more can be done if we are thinking free market principles anyhow and bitcoin is going to attract the vast majority of the value, anyhow? i think shitcoinery is more dangerous than the "blockchain, not bitcoin" idiots. the latter burn corporate funds and going nowhere, but shitcoins are eating the bitcoiners cake (aka invested money) and the fool masses of people into their scams. the scammed people will not adopt btc, they will hate crypto forever and think btc is the same. i really wonder how much fresh money invested into crypto moves into shitcoins. I am not opposed to bad mouthing shitcoins or calling them out for what they are, but I think that you are overstating their importance and negative impact on bitcoin and the space. There is both good and bad going on with the money (however dumb that you want to label it) coming into the space for shitcoins, alt coins, ICOs and other non-bitcoin related scams, and sure, you are likely correct that some of the losers are going to lump bitcoin in with their problem of getting scammed, but we are increasingly having more and more money coming into the space and finding its way into bitcoin. Perhaps, you and I read the matter differently, and sure it can be argued either way, but shitcoins and scams are likely part of the explanation for BTC's exponential price rise to $19,666 in December 2017, and no I am not going to give those goofballs credit for causing the rise and fall of bitcoin because at best, they are the tail attempting to wag the dog, but there is some symbi-ism going on here and back and forth relationship regarding financial flows and even providing some distraction of the side-money that would cause bitcoin to be the total focus if they were not to exist.. which a total focus on bitcoin might not be healthy, either.. especially if you have governments and financial institutions narrowing their focus in the bitcoin direction. In any event, even if what you are saying is true (instead of my positive and negative assessment of the effects of such shitcoinery/scams) I remain confused about what you would be proposing as any kind of meaningful solution to snuff them out... both is it possible with any kind of reasonable approach to snuff them out and what would such an approach be that would not end up causing more damage than the benefits of just letting the market sort the matters out, even if it takes 50 years to sort out. In the meantime, folks like you and me, and others who are active in this WO thread, recognize the information asymmetry and we are able profit stupendously and on an ongoing basis by our ongoing recognition that bitcoin remains the only meaningful game in town and that the vast majority of the remainder of the space is causing BTC prices to be more suppressed than they should be for further and longer than they should be... but in the end, bitcoin does not give any shits, and I doubt that bitcoin is going to be killed by these kinds of side scam projects.. the only thing that is suppressed is the price for longer and lower.. but in the end, and it is not even likely to take very long, those of us investing in bitcoin on an ongoing basis are going to continue to profit tremendously by our ongoing abilities to sort the wheat from the chaff. I doubt that the altcoin craze of 2017/18 made btc going into a bubble. opposite to that I think the bitcoin run-up caused the shitoins to rise. interesting question, though. I doubt any symbiotic relationship. it is rather one-sided and rather parasitic. another interesting question is the role of alts when it comes to regulation. did the existence of thousands of alts cause the regulators to give up on banning bitcoin? I doubt this, but it could be the case. imho regulators are as clueless as shitcoiners and misunderstand btc from every angle possible. regulators would ban bitcoin and just not care about shitcoins. regulators would hear about some shitcoin scam and blame it on bitcoin. how to stop shitcoinery? 1) bitcoiners unite, 2) call out every scamcoin, 3) fight shitcoiners in all btc forums, make them leave, 4) educate the public about shitcoins, try to help people not losing their money to shitcoin artists, 5) argue against crypto agnosticism, 6) make bitcoiners aware that when they buy shitcoins "only to gain more btc" that they are actually funding enemies of bitcoin, 7) find out how shitcoinery became a thing and develop strategies to prevent a repeating of this shitshow during next run-up,  etc etc yes, shitcoins are holding price of btc down longer and lower. why should we accept this and just wait? why not declare war on every shitcoin? |
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the alt-shitshow never ends. half the industry is an ongoing scam. we need theories about how alts became a thing and why they are still a thing. and we need to come up with a plan to end this this shitcoinery. I don't think that they can be ended. They can be tolerated and considered as unimportant, similar how Hairy framed the matter in an earlier post. Even satoshi seemed to account for them in his very first writings, before such alt coins and imitation attack vectors even existed. There is a kind of human nature to try to get rich, to try to improve upon things by copying and imitation, and even thoughts about missing the boat on bitcoin and investing into various scams comes off as inevitably part of the playing out that will likely take close to 50 years to play out.. and even then will bitcoin take up 80-90% of value perhaps? but that remaining 10-20% would be quite difficult (if not impossible) to reign in. So why spend considerable efforts on fighting them, beyond education and of course, if they directly engage in fraud and deception then the individuals might be prosecuted.. but what more can be done if we are thinking free market principles anyhow and bitcoin is going to attract the vast majority of the value, anyhow? i think shitcoinery is more dangerous than the "blockchain, not bitcoin" idiots. the latter burn corporate funds and going nowhere, but shitcoins are eating the bitcoiners cake (aka invested money) and the fool masses of people into their scams. the scammed people will not adopt btc, they will hate crypto forever and think btc is the same. i really wonder how much fresh money invested into crypto moves into shitcoins. |
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So who else is going to the Bitcoin 2019 conference? Where y'all staying?
which one? the one in Malta? San Fran. Late June. https://www.bitcoin2019conference.com/Cheep tix run out in a few days. aww... too bad, SF too far for me. would have been great to meet you in person ( slap your butt for all the bcash propaganda  ) and buy you a beer and ask you to forgive me accusing you being a paid shill. |
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So who else is going to the Bitcoin 2019 conference? Where y'all staying?
which one? the one in Malta? |
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die shitcoinery nimmt kein ende. die berliner C3 crypto-conference läuft gerade. schaut euch mal die speakers list an. kein einziger bitcoiner, aufgeblasene marketing und finanz fuzzies, garniert mit ein paar juristen. alles auf sand gebaut, alles ohne use-cases, alles heisse luft. die versuchen dort den armen besuchern, die auch noch geld für diese marketingveranstaltung bezahlt haben, allesamt ihren jeweiligen shitcoin aufzudrücken. man müsste ja fast hinfahren und alle den ganzen tag auslachen. bitcoin kommt im konferenzablauf nicht vor. lol. https://crypto-conference.com/all-speakers/ |
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the alt-shitshow never ends. half the industry is an ongoing scam. we need theories about how alts became a thing and why they are still a thing. and we need to come up with a plan to end this this shitcoinery. |
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Das hier könnte für den künftigen Kursverlauf relevant sein:
galgitron.net/Post/How-China…
Falls das der falsche Thread dafür ist bitte verschieben. In qwk FAQ zu Bitcoin konnte ich leider nichts finden, das dieses Szenario ausgeschlossen hätte. Gibt es aussagekräftige Quellen dazu, ob ein solcher Angriff erfolgreich durchgeführt werden kann? Ich konnte dazu leider nichts finden, halte es aber für eminent wichtig, dies zu prüfen.
Vielen Dank!
FUD china bans, china attacks, killswitch,... alle jahre wieder  |
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dreaming of a version where it costs 0.1 btc to make a bet. winner takes it all. we had those kinds of games going on before, didn´t we? what happened to those? to make it possible to participate for those who are not willing to risk 0.1 btc are allowed to form a pool. a pool can only place one bet. imagine 50 participants. the winner gets 5 btc. Organise one of those, would be Something cool  A game with end summer or end year price or something.... Gonna add the prices on the list tomorrow, falling a sleep as we speak In to me HODLzone yeah, but I wouldn´t want to "steal" your idea. what about setting it up together? |
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Binance SHITCoin Charts
*altcoin shilling*
[imgtps://i.imgur.com/ZZbOo1B.jpg[/img]http://[imtps://i.imgur.com/mi7BsSe.jpg[/img]
could you please stop spamming shitcoin fuckery? thx |
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$75000.... I thought 75k btc |
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dreaming of a version where it costs 0.1 btc to make a bet. winner takes it all. we had those kinds of games going on before, didn´t we? what happened to those? to make it possible to participate for those who are not willing to risk 0.1 btc are allowed to form a pool. a pool can only place one bet. imagine 50 participants. the winner gets 5 btc. |
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1) Bin ich gegen Monopole, ganz gleich welcher Art. es geht doch um das protokoll. es gibt doch auch nur ein internet. das ist doch kein monopol. ein monopol wird von firmen gehalten, aber nicht von protokollen. es ist so, als ginge es darum einen industrie standard oder ein universelles längenmäss (oder andere mass-einheit, oder eine gemeinsame sprache zu finden. da ist es doch nicht zielführend konkurrenten zu supporten, die alle eins gemeinsam haben: tiefe feindschaft gegen bitcoin und ziel bitcoin obsolet zu machen. 2) Kann man Altcoins nicht verhindern. Es gibt einen wirtschaftlichen Anreiz, Altcoins zu starten und ihnen zum Wachstum zu verhelfen, genauso wie es einen gibt, in Bitcoin zu investieren. das stimmt, aber man sollte es wenigstens versuchen um noobs vor finanziellem schaden zu bewaren in dem sie in shitcoins investieren. 3) haben mehrere Blockchains Vorteile gegenüber einer einzigen. Zum Beispiel wenn es in einer einen gravierenden Fehler gibt, sind die anderen noch da. wenn die banken, zentralbanken, andere gegner von btc es schaffen btc zu vernichten, dann frühstücken die doch die shitcoins am nächsten tag. und: wenn das vertrauen in btc kaputt ist, dann ist die ganze idee crypto gestorben. btc ist unser einziger halbwegs realistischer versuch. 4) Bisher haben Altcoins Bitcoin keinen Schaden zugefügt. ich kenne einige die ihr ganzes geld verloren haben. und ausserdem verbreiten die marketing abteilungen der shitcoin pusher nichts als FUD über bitcoin. 5) Altcoins können neue Konzepte austesten, Bitcoin ist dafür schon zu sehr etabliert. super idee mit den neuen konzepten. aber doch bitteschön als testnet (ohne reales geld) damit keine scammer leuten damit geld aus der tasche ziehen. 6) ICOs, Scams und Tokens kann man auch auf der Bitcoin-Blockchain mit Hilfe von Coloured Coins und ähnlichen Mechanismen starten. Meines Wissens nach wurden die ersten ICOs über Omni (damals Mastercoin) auf der Bitcoin-Blockchain ausgeführt. klar kann man auch bitcoiner scammen. aber das ist doch kein argument. "lass uns was gegen betrug unternehmen" - "nö, wieso, gibt doch auch in anderen bereichen betrug" |
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(...snip)
Coins, wie LTC, Monero oder Doge sind eigentlich nichts anderes als Bitcoin.
LTC=useless copycat, testnet Monero=nicht dezentral, dev team bestimmt alles Doge=ein witz ohne devs wenn man jetzt noch die difficulty mit in betracht zieht, fundamental besser gegen attacken geschützt. und die use cases, und die verbreitung/akzeptanz dann spielt btc in der ersten liga und die anderen sind höchstens kreisklasse. Gut da hat jeder seine eigene Meinung. Ich stehe Altcoins eher liberaler gegenüber als BTC-Maximalisten. Mein Post war auch nur darauf bezogen, dass nicht alle Alts Ponzis sind. Bei Use Cases siehts natürlich anders aus. es geht doch um die berühmt berüchtigte massen adaption von btc. ein globaler monetärer befreiungschlag von unten. wenn btc es nicht schafft, dann schafft es auch keiner dieser unsicheren (relativ zum btc protokoll) shitcoins. wenn wir ein freies, unabhängiges, offenes system wie bitcoin wollen, dann nützt es nichts liberal gegenüber altcoins zu sein. genau diese liberalität der btc community hat zum gegenwärtigen schlamasssel beigeträgen: scams ohne ende, tausende shitcoins, ponzis, die ganze crypto marketing scheisse auf allen kanälen. das shitcoin phänomen hat sich verselbständigt und saugt noobs das geld aus den taschen. und sät zwietracht in der community. bitcoin ist ein computerwissenschaftlicher durchbruch. shitcoins sind ausgeburten von aufgeblähten marketing abteilungen, firmen, die gewinn machen müssen - und die tun alles, um leuten zu erzählen, wie "langsam, teuer, alt,etc" bitcoin ist, und wie supertoll der jeweilige shitcoin. ich weiss nicht, was eine dominance von 50% aussagt in bezug auf welcher anteil frisches geld in den shitcoins fliesst. aber es ist auf jedenfall zuviel. ich denke, dass die die wollen, das bitcoin eine chance hat sich deutlich zu bitcoin bekennen sollten. die bitcoin community sollte eine haltung zum phänomen einnehmen. |
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(...snip)
Coins, wie LTC, Monero oder Doge sind eigentlich nichts anderes als Bitcoin.
LTC=useless copycat, testnet Monero=nicht dezentral, dev team bestimmt alles Doge=ein witz ohne devs wenn man jetzt noch die difficulty mit in betracht zieht, fundamental besser gegen attacken geschützt. und die use cases, und die verbreitung/akzeptanz dann spielt btc in der ersten liga und die anderen sind höchstens kreisklasse. |
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"OneCoin-Mastermind Konstantin Ignatov festgenommen" OneCoin ist ein Betrugssystem wie es im Buche steht. Bluffen, schwindeln, vermarkten und Kundengeld abzapfen gehörten hier zum Firmengrundsatz. Insgesamt soll die Bande hinter dem Scam-Coin zwischen Q4 2014 und Q3 2016 je nach Berichten zwischen 2,5 und 3,8 Milliarden US-Dollar erbeutet haben. Die gutmütigen Kunden ließen sich verschaukeln, da das Konzept hohe Rendite bei geringem Risiko versprach.
Konkret sah das Konzept vor, dass man als Marketingpartner des ‘One Network’ über eigens aufgebaute Sales-Gruppen Werbung für den Coin betreibt. Je erfolgreicher, desto mehr Rendite für den Kollaborateur. Die Renditen wurden dabei allerdings in OneCoin ausgezahlt, einer Digitalwährung, die von den Köpfen des Systems schlicht aus dem Nichts erzeugt wurde.
So kontrollierten die Drahtzieher ihre eigene Rendite und fuhren Milliardengewinne ein. Gewaschen wurde das Geld ganz klassisch in Off-Shore Banken, wie den Cayman Islands. https://coinkurier.de/onecoin-konstantin-ignatov-festnahme/meiner meinung nach ist das eine treffende beschreibung so ziemlich aller altcoins. |
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still i don’t get it (the whole getting to marry stuff )
Marriage is a fitness thing. And not the picking up and putting down heavy objects type. A major survey of 127,545 American adults found that married men are healthier than men who were never married or whose marriages ended in divorce or widowhood. Men who have marital partners also live longer than men without spouses; men who marry after age 25 get more protection than those who tie the knot at a younger age, and the longer a man stays married, the greater his survival advantage over his unmarried peers. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health10th marriage anniversary today. my wife & our kids are the best things ever happened to me. even better than bitcoin & WO thread. slightly . |
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Google appears to be working on a new way to display more cryptocurrencies when users search for a specific coin, increasing exposure to the category at large. In the screen grab below, a search for “XRP” returns a full crypto display bar right below the search term and above the top news stories. Each graphic card on the bar displays a related search term for XRP including Ripple, Bitcoin, Litecoin, IOTA, Cardano, Stellar, Dogecoin and Ethereum. So Google is basically finding ways to trick noobs out of their Bitcoins by getting them interested in shitcoins. Good job Google! that is imho what all companies, individuals, influencers, youtubers, organisations, institutions, lobbyists, regulators and even some WO members do: they are either bitcoin maximalists and fight a honorable battle for freedom or they are NOT, and consequently try to fool/distract bitcoiners and no-coiners towards their shitcoin of choice, with all dirty tricks, profiting directly, cheating, lying, marketing BS, FUD - parasites to bitcoins success. bitcoin maximalists fight for the freedom of us all, altcoin shills fight for their dollars. good thing is: the bitcoin maximalist hodlers are getting rewarded in the long run. big time. again and again. hasta la victoria siempre. |
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lol Macron bringing in the troops to quell the masses while May brings in the squaddies to ensure tea supplies are uninterrupted.
it's not even a kerfuffle, it's a storm in a teacup, and it might just be the making of her if it's spun right
i know what i would do with cancer 'patients', but I wonder if they'll ship some over to Europe and beyond to be treated
there won´t be no cancer in england after brexit. ALL the bad stuff´s from the continent. |
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