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641  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Time to collect altcoins now or later? on: August 31, 2023, 06:55:15 AM
Planning about collection some MORE altcoins and thats why i manage extra money for that. But market situation is still confusing and today Altcoins dump minimum 10% even more. So is it really right to collect altcoins?  Or another dump will be coming before bull run? Should i postponed my invest or not? I post this in speculation sector cause we can only predict!  And I'll go with the most predicted result
i think you missed the chance that time but hoping that you get one recently when market drops once again(though it recovers already today)
sometimes what we need to do is buy when our funds is ready and never hesitate of what the market is acting , either it is dumping or even when it is increasing ,
just state if how long are you willing to keep that coin inside your folio.
not unless you are only for daytrade?
then yeah consider differently.
It's never really too late to make money, you could make a profit from crypto anytime as long as you invest and willing to wait for it. Even people who bought bitcoin at 60k will eventually make a profit, the difference is that you would have timed it badly and you would have to wait for a long time but you would still make a profit one way or another. This is why if you invest right now, you will be making a profit anyway so you should be careful about it.

I personally believe that it will be a good time to invest, and we should be careful about it. I get that it is not that simple, but it would not be impossible to calculate the timing neither. Like for example right now is a great time to buy, it is low enough that it will go up and make you richer.
642  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: After all these years on: August 29, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
Do you think that Bitcoin been decentralised will draw it back from becoming something like what XRP and Chain Link are achieving right now? Should we just for once shut up about Bitcoin becoming a well acknowledged payment solution and focus on it becoming only asset?
One of the things that hinders the use of bitcoin as a means of payment is probably its decentralization. I don't think countries want to take the risk of using a currency they can't regulate, besides that the fluctuation in the price of bitcoin is also very high making it difficult to convert the value of an item into bitcoin.

But, I believe that bitcoin will definitely become a currency and can be used for payments, it is only a matter of time until the bitcoin community develops and bitcoin will be effective for cross-border transactions.

Maybe we just have to wait until bitcoin will become the world's payment currency, maybe we need to wait another 10 or 20 years. I hope it will happen sooner
It would definitely require a bit of improvement to the current situation to become a currency, right now it's slow and expensive to use in many places and we are not going to see any changes like that anytime soon. We need to make sure that it is not going to be a good thing and we need to end up with like some improvements on the pace of it, it needs to be instantly, like 3 seconds is all we are willing to wait, or maybe like 10-15 if it is too great.

But also we need to make sure it is not costing us a lot, we should be doing something much better like for example 1% of all transactions capped at $1 at most, because otherwise it is way too expensive to keep using it right now and can't be used for small amount transactions.
643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin could hit $100,000 by the end of 2024 - Standard Chartered - Surprised? on: August 29, 2023, 06:42:42 AM
Its not a good idea to call a move before its really in shape and under way on a regular basis.  It could happen is to state the news that isnt new, BTC would not be at 26k if people didnt already accept this reality.
  The idea there is a strong enough bull market to produce any elaborated target higher is tenuous at the moment, it could happen so could a dozen other things and some of those are required first before BTC is likely able to rise such as a weaker dollar and greater takeup of BTC.  Until it happens they are manufacturing headlines and scenarios for the sake of their own publicity imo.
I would say that people are just making it like they know what's going to happen just so that if they are wrong nobody really shows them they were wrong but if they were right they could shove that to everyone face and say we were right and get more customers.

It's obvious that this may happen or may not happen and we do not know what's going to happen now but at the end of the day we are going to end up with a situation where it is going to be tough to handle and shouldn't really be worried about it. I think it is better to make a big return on this when the time comes and we need to end up with a result that will be a bit different. Hopefully it will get a lot better and we could do more on this subject whenever we can.
644  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: August 28, 2023, 08:49:42 PM
There are many fools among fans of any club, another thing is that clubs deal with this problem in different ways. As far as I know, the most stringent (and effective) measures in England (this has developed historically since English football has suffered very much from hooligans). PSG need to get rid of aggressive fans. This is painful and partially reduces the number of fans of the club but in the long run it is beneficial.
Veratti also has really no say in this neither, I mean he can say no, but PSG has to sell him, they are the ones that agree to the transfer deal first, and when that happens I feel like that's going to be the biggest trouble they would have and I believe it could result with some different situations.

With the fact that they are going to end up with a solution like that, I think it will be important to realize that we are talking about Veratti being sold by his own club, and that means fans should be mad at the club if they want to be mad at someone, not the player. Without PSG selling him, he can't leave, so that means he is not the guilty party here and should not be considered any more responsible about it than the club.
645  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: August 28, 2023, 08:14:30 PM
I mean that every time there are playing not only in Serie A but also in Premier League,La Liga,Bundesliga and Ligue 1 some 3-4 favorites against underdogs at the same day usually in such day I have not seen one  yet where 4 out of 4 favorites have won their game in any of the leagues mentioned above.Since we are talking about Serie A here,let me tell you that in 1995 to 1999 season where online gambling and offline gambling in soccer was not as mainstream as it is now I have seen more than 4 favorites who were playing on the same day like yesterday in Serie A winning all of their games.Not accusing anyone but just stating the facts and the facts point that some interference has happened while gambling is all over us,that was my point.
I am not entirely sure if that would be the case, back in the day when online world wasn't this big and football wasn't this expensive, the big names were bigger because everyone wanted to go there and those big clubs gathered all the players they wanted. Now kids know that they could be the star of a smaller club and not make a lot right now but then go to even bigger clubs, you do not have to be at Juventus to go to Real Madrid anymore, you could be at Atalanta and still go there easily.

This resulted with players not want to be bench players of big teams, and the stars of lower teams and this caused the favorites to end up losing time to time. The odds of all four winning all at the same time is still there, not common but still there.
646  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1 Bitcoin will be $173,566 before November, 2025 on: August 27, 2023, 08:11:50 PM
I can't say that it will be at that price, that is too precise for me to make it work but at the same time I think it's quite important to remember that we are going to end up with nothing at all. I think it's quite important to see it go up and as long as it keeps going higher that means we are going to end up with a return for sure.

It should be remembered that we are going to make some profit, and in order to keep making that profit we need to keep it going as long as possible. I understand that life is not simple, so this 173k is not going to be exactly what the price will be, we can't know that, it's not possible. However, we can say that it will be higher, much higher than today, and that is good enough reason to invest.
That's true, we are going to see it go up, and we may not know how much but as long as we trust it it's fine. I agree that we should be buying as much of it as we possibly could to keep it continue to grow as much as possible and there are a lot of people who we can see that they are selling and getting out.

The difference between buyers and sellers right now is that people who sold right now made a big mistake, they are not going to end up with a profit when the price goes up unless they also buy it back at the same or lower price point. However, people who are buying at this price means that they know what they are doing and they should be making a profit as well when the price goes up. I am sure that it will, and they will profit.
647  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: August 27, 2023, 06:56:15 PM
I find it really surprising that the Republicans keep holding on to Trump given all these lawsuits against him. It's true that it feels like a witch hunt right now and it could rally more of his followers to close the ranks and support him more. But the real question is how many of the swing candidates are being convinced to join the Republican or Democratic vote. In the case of Trump losing his lawsuits I think that it would lead to more people abandoning him than following him. For the Republican party it seems as abet on the lawsuits and hoping that Trump won't lose them. In the end all it would take is one bad selected Jury and the dream of Trump winning another election is over. For the Democrats it doesn't seem any better though, with Biden being so old all it takes is a few medical issues and he couldn't a second time. It's hard to place any serious bet right now on the next president, because so many things could happen that change the picture completely.
They lack leadership, that's the problem. Think of Republicans like a cult, they do not care about "who" at the top could be, they do not have ideology (do not talk to me about family values, they elected a president who paid a pornstar a silence money from campaign money and stole nuclear information of his own nation) they have nothing but a cult system who worship whoever is at the top.

It doesn't have to be Trump, tomorrow it could be someone else and they will worship that, the idea is "whoever is not democrat, is a god" and they keep voting for the person who is the republican candidate no matter how terrible that person can be, you can put in OJ Simpson as the Republican candidate and he will get 60+ million votes just because he is the republican candidate.
648  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is copy trading a legit way of income for beginners or just a marketing tactic? on: August 27, 2023, 05:49:30 PM
Theres are a lot of platforms offering a copy trading, one of the major benefits of it is the less hassle for the traders to make a position and let other people make a trade to them so they don't need to wait for most of the time commit a trade they just need to wait for the outcome, they are offering of course the win rate and list of active traders so the copy-traders can copy those trades of high win rates but of course if the trader makes a position you will set a position too it depends if you have still the balance to continue the trade not as always the traders win their position, the question here now is are you willing to risk other people make a trade to you or base on your knowledge still.
It is true that you are trusting someone else, and that is not really normal when it is something you could also do. I am not saying that it is a bad idea, all I am saying is that we shouldn't really trusting someone else to make these decisions for us when we can do it ourselves. I think it is quite important to just make it work, and as long as we could make it work, it should be fine.

I get that it is tough to start when you are a newbie, but as long as you do the right thing, you should be making a good profit one way or another, and you need that. I get that you are not going to make profit right away neither, and you will wish that you copied someone else who did profit, and those are all natural feelings, but you will get better with time.
649  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What could be the problem here? on: August 27, 2023, 05:52:14 AM
If a person is experiencing one day win and another day loss then I think trading is not beneficial for him because the loss and profit become balance and a person remains at that stage.

In my opinion an experienced trader do not face such situation because he knows how to manage the circumstances that are against his hopes and he learned all the things before taking step into trading so if a person is facing such situations then main thing is that he does not understand the market completely so he should stop trading here.

Trading is for getting success and work to handle every situations so if one is not able to maximize his profit then pausing trading for some durations and learn again will be suited good.
Just because they made a profit and made a loss doesn't mean it was equal numbers neither. I mean you could make 5k profit and 3k loss, which means you are in 2k profit and that's the important part, you should be making as much profit as you possibly could from it.

You can still continue to make a loss time to time, like you can go one profit and one loss back to back, but as long as you profit more than you lose then it's fine and nothing is wrong with that. I get that it will not be simple, but it will at least exist to a point and you should be hoping that it will work for you in the end. I understand that some people worry about it, because they do not like to check the results of it, but it will happen without a doubt.
650  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Appromixly how much time needs to recover BNB $310 price on: August 26, 2023, 12:49:06 PM
Nobody can tell you a definite answer even when you want approximations, unless if they are time travellers from the future. These are markets and worse still crypto markets. A coin can literally go from thousands of dollars to cents in a matter of days. It's why people are always supposed to invest only what they can afford to lose

That being said, since you already entered the trade, you are going to practice patience. Coins and even the worst of tokens usually pump in price during bull markets. We are looking at 2024-2025 if conditions remain constant. All I am saying is just hold if you can.
Such a good thing to say, it is 100% true and I agree with it without a doubt. If we are looking at something that is into the future, we will not be able to know what it will do, we are going to just have some sort of guess, but we will not know about it. We should be considering the situation to be a lot more important to just predict the direction, if you can predict the direction that is more than enough, no need to try to predict the exact price.

I think if you try to guess the exact price, there is a bigger chance that you will be wrong, but if you want to predict the direction that means you have 50% chance, it will either go up or down. I think in the next 3 months we will see higher prices, but don't know how much.
651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you go about realizing gains? If you opt not to, what is your reason? on: August 26, 2023, 10:28:23 AM
We're currently experiencing a bear market phase. How do you intend to secure profits once the market undergoes a turnaround? What proves to be the most formidable obstacle in executing this strategy? If your intention isn't to convert profits back to fiat, kindly explain your philosophy regarding this choice. Newbies in this platform like me could gain insight from your past experiences.
My primary approach to this is to increase my portfolio value in terms of BTC rather than dollar ($) value. So if the price goes up (and we're in a full blown market) then I just take  profits and buy when the market bias has flipped from bullish to bearish. In my earlier days, I didn't take profit and left money on the table so when the market bias flipped to bearish, I ended up regretting not taking some profits. In hindsight, I ended with same value in BTC when I could have probably gotten more.
That is the possible way for a lot of people, me included. We like to get as much crypto as we possibly could, without caring about how much it worths right now. That is a great method for people who are interested in long term and should be considered as one of the best ways to make money as well.

I think it should be considered a way of making money whenever you can, and should be a great deal. I get that not a lot of people can do it right now, but it could be quite important to do it that way. I get that some people are worried about it, but in the end there is no need to be worried about it neither, you are going to make a good profit in any case. Hopefully you will realize that getting more coins will be greater for you on the long run.
652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: XRP - when to sell? on: August 26, 2023, 09:05:53 AM
the right time to sell XRP is during the bull run and now is the right time for DCA XRP, because the price of XRP has not yet reached its ATH price, so I believe that by investing in XRP at this time, then the price of XRP will definitely increase very high and reach or even made a new ATH price at the time of the bull run, so you definitely won't regret to invest and DCA XRP right now, because you will get a big profit from investing in XRP.
Do not do that, please do not do that. XRP is a shady one that a company named Ripple is scamming you, you should stay away from it as much as you possibly could. I understand that it is not going to be easy to do that but what if you could possibly stay away from it as much as you possibly could? I get that it will not be simple and you are not going to make that much money from it, but you could possibly make that profit back one way or another.

I think it is important to realize that XRP is a scam, maybe not the traditional "I stole your money" type of scam, but it is still a scam and I think it should be important to realize that you are going to make some mistakes if you still trust it with your money after all that has happened.
653  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Has Bitcoin Helped Create Big Changes In Your Life? on: August 25, 2023, 12:24:42 PM
It's actually really nice to have you here and you're free to communicate with anyone as well. First, you don't need to compare yourself to others since we all have different pace and situation before joining and learning BTC. Bitcoin has helped a lot of people already but of course some also loss a lot. For me, bitcoin has helped me to save my money from inflation not only that I could get extra money or profit by just simply investing my spare money but also getting some funds for emergency cause why not right? I'm not even too greedy to aim for a high value of profit as long as I could buy my essential needs. So I could buy my needs plus having extra money so I could say that I'm financially free due to BTC.
Investing into bitcoin with the saved money would mean that there is going to be something much better for you on the long run no matter what you use it on. You could jus be richer, you could just pay for something, no matter what you are going to end up with more money. Obviously some people made bad bets and they lost money and that could be considered a big change too, losing money but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with that all the time.

We should remember that it is not going to be similar for all the people. For me personally it went for personal emergencies, I paid for them all with bitcoin and without bitcoin I would have been a bankrupted person right now with too much debt and troubles.
654  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: This Will give you motivation to learn finances and market the right ways on: August 24, 2023, 05:35:58 AM
These type of topics makes me want to see a psychologist. It must be a great feeling to have this much confidence, I think it should be important to have some sort of return where you are going to make as much profit as you possibly could, and that should be the important difference.

I get that it will not be that simple, like it will not be just get confidence and then profit, but I love it when fools have this confidence. Dude basically said nothing, just that it will be close to 19k at the bottom and 40k at the top and he said it with so much confidence that he actually believes him saying this WILL! give us motivation to learn finances. Like what the hell is the connection there? It makes absolutely no sense at all.
As you can see it is a newbie account, if you want to check you will see that there are a lot of people who are newbies and started a new topic recently, which means that there is someone farming some new accounts and if you keep following them you will see that they are going to grow and grow and continue to grow and then suddenly stop.

That's the type of topic this is, it is not really created for this, probably taken somewhere else too, it is just here so that the newbie would have some higher return and some posts under it's belt to keep on growing. It's a tough one but it could be done and I think it is important to realize that we are giving them a reason to keep doing this on the long run as well, not really a good idea.
655  Economy / Economics / Re: It ain't meant to be easy on: August 23, 2023, 06:26:39 PM
Even if you're good at analysis, there will be a point when you will face losses it depends on how much more you have to keep up, some will be frustrated and just give up, and some will take it slow but continue to move on, because of the very high volatility there is no such thing as a perfect investor, we all have our share of ups and downs its the achievement of others are what will aspire us to move on.
He learned our lessons from others who made it they are an example of keeping your focus on your goal.
In this case you are right, there are no traders who, if they enter the market, traders will always get full profits. Yes. as you said there are always ups and downs too and according to the saying why they can and are able to get some profits in trading, it's because they are used to it and understand how the market works.
That is the natural part of the crypto trading world, nobody could make profit constantly and that's fine, there is nothing wrong with that. I get that people want to make as much profit as they possibly could but that doesn't mean that they will, some people will and some people will not.

You should be trying to make it work as much as possible without trying to have any wrong results on the long run. I get that it will not be simple but you should be considering it as something on the back of your mind. Just make as much profit as possible and learn from your losses and mistakes, that way you will make less mistakes because you will be unlikely the repeat same mistakes again and again, it will be very helpful.
656  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 23, 2023, 05:20:25 AM
This week I saw bad news for Manchester City and it seems their coach pep Guardiola, had back surgery and that's why he will be absent in the next two games of Manchester City. the games against Sheffield United and Fulham are not hard for Manchester City but still, they won't have their coach and this can decrease their performance.
It is very unfortunate for Man City, even though the opponent is not the big four team, still the presence of the coach is very important. We know that sometimes the top teams find it difficult to win against teams they can actually beat. In such a difficult position, the coach can give instructions and change the playing strategy. Even though there is an assistant to handle, I'm sure it will have a different impact on the players. GWS Pep!
I do not think that they will be missing him all that much in these two games, they mean absolutely nothing at all and simple games to win. Obviously I am not saying that there is no way that they will not lose, it's football and anything could happen but by that logic they could have lost those games even if Pep was there.

The important thing is whatever Pep is going through, whatever trouble he has with his back, I hope that the surgery will help him and he will do better, I do hope that we are going to end up seeing him do well enough that it will be something that will get him to a better place over course of some time. I think it will be important to keep him going for a while longer and if they can, they should rest him whenever they can.
657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Another red day on: August 22, 2023, 03:21:50 PM
XRP, ADA, SOL, TRX, MATIC, LTC DOT, AVAX are all down today, this is normal, as long as the market remains in a bear market, it will continue to happen.  Because the price of altcoins fluctuates all the time. When the price of altcoins goes down, it keeps going down.  If we look at Bitcoin we can see that Bitcoin has gone from 26k to now 29k which is really great.  Altacoins are in the red day after day, there is not much change in the market price going up.But many people are disappointed by the red market, because they lose a lot of capital due to the market going down.  But some people hold coins by investing huge amount of money in this red market.
Indeed, and most of them are on this position even before. I think it was only XRP who are performing well last time but now maybe XRP have also dumped. I think that is because of the said company of Musk who sold 300 million dollar worth of Bitcon. Cryptos are known to be volatile but there are times where they can became stagnant in either in a dump or pump position. Now it was in a dumped position.

I think that is because we are not yet fully out of the bear (as you stated). Fluctuations is when the price goes up and down, not when it moves on one direction. Those who are disappointed are maybe newbies who are not used to these market conditions but if they only take their time to research before they enter, maybe their views and actions will change. 
658  Economy / Speculation / Re: what a surprise dip on: August 22, 2023, 04:16:23 AM
The two sides that you mean can also be likened to profits and losses because the only ones who are not profitable or detrimental are those who survived because their capital did not decrease or increase. But occasionally it is also necessary to discuss neutral ground for a while even though what is more discussed are the two market conditions that are very often seen, namely bear and bull.

And for people who don't know the market or understand any market, I think those who are like that will only be spectators at any moment because they don't know how to take advantage of the moment or still don't dare to enter the market because they consider too much risk. Although these considerations are also a part that should not be forgotten by anyone when they want to enter the market for something.
I agree that people who are new to the market could end up making some losses as well but if they are careful they could make a profit too. The point of trading is not to be profiting with every single trade, it is to end up with a profit at the end of the day.

This is why most companies take a look at quarterly results and they also take a look at yearly results as well. That means you do not have to make a profit with every trade, all you have to do is make sure you are profiting as much as you possibly can, while keeping the losses to the minimum. You can still make a loss, but as long as it is not common and frequent then it will not be an issue, it will get you a good result without a trouble and should be great result.
659  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC go above $30,000? on: August 22, 2023, 02:41:49 AM
Important decisions will be announced in September. Fed rate decision, unemployment data and producer price data. The fact that all these data indicate that inflation is not improving and unemployment is still strong may cause the Fed to increase the interest rate decision. In this case, the Bitcoin price may decline further with the declines that will be experienced. It is also worth mentioning. Pricing for these data and situations is often priced by the market days or weeks in advance. When the situation itself occurs, there is a short term positive reaction. I think this is due to buybacks to cover short positions. Finally, according to the course of global economic data, the pricing of Bitcoin will be more evident in September.
I feel like that will definitely change the price a lot but I can't guarantee if it will go higher or lower after that. I mean if it is as expected then maybe it could take it higher, or maybe if it is not what we assume it will be then it could go lower. It's hard to make distinctions between them but apparently the market thinks that it will go down, maybe they are selling it because of that. In the end, we are going to end up with a movement that much is certain.

These type of periods do matter for the time when it happens but to be fair they do not matter at all on the long run and will not matter, we need to make sure that it is not going to any different situation anytime soon, we will go higher eventually no matter what happens.
660  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: August 21, 2023, 07:19:31 PM
even though yesterday I lost my bet for Roma but I am very satisfied to see the match between Juventus and Udinese and Juventus performance made me feel much better after my bet won. even though Juventus forced them to compete with ordinary players without star players, in the match against Udinese they had a maximum performance and this is good news for Juventus fans because their worries have been paid off by Juventus victory.

It seems that Allegri is a little more confident in bringing his team to the best place until the end of the season because he also knows what to do with the current players.
Juventus managed to start the new season with a promising victory over Udinese, Juventus performance in this match deserved praise from fans or other parties who placed bets on Juventus victory. It was not easy to score three goals against Udinese at once, but the Juventus players were able to do so in the first half. After entering the second half, Juventus were more careful and seemed to play it safe to secure victory. The performance shown by the Juventus players indicates that they are ready to compete for the Scudetto this season.

Allegri can take advantage of Juventus lack of schedule this season to stay focused on Serie A, he has managed to leave a good impression in the first match, Juventus will aim for first place all season in order to maintain the chance of winning the title race.
Juventus will be playing with a lot of hatred in them all year long. They are going to try to get the revenge of last season on all the teams this year. They may or may not be the winners in the end, but I know that they will be the one that tries the most, no other team could want that title as much as Juventus could want, and I do not mean just owners or anything, I mean from fans to players and from staff to equipment people, every single Juventus related person would want it.

This is why we are not going to see them play lowly ever, we are going to see them play with anger in them and they will beat everyone they can. Obviously it's football, we see teams end up losing everywhere, so it's possible they may get some bad results too.
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