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701  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 06, 2015, 07:31:44 PM
The result of the referendum is a "No". It is the Grexit time. Greeks need to restructure their policies ,now that they're out of Euro Zone. Many subsidies and benefits have been taken away from it. There is no time to back down now, the economy needs a boost.

Let's just say that this is not certain yet and many things have to be considered in order for such an exit to happen. Even in Germany the rhetoric has been changed. FWIW: I don't see this as a bad thing though; for Greece that is... Wink
702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 06, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
Bitfinex is back. I get price & transaction feed again (low volume of course):

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd

Edit: And pumping! Smiley
703  Other / Meta / Re: "THE LIST" on: July 06, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
We say "OXI" to trolls. Please update your lists.

Latest additions to The List as of 2015-07-06:
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704  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 06, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
Maybe. But someone should also teach them a lesson. Their way how they live and run the country is no longer possible.

Yes, someone should teach us a lesson. How to understand and sympathize those in need of doses of governance, democracy, dignity and solidarity. Well, until you find that specific someone let me try and teach you another lesson about those 4 very important things.

Unusual facts happening in Greece.

For the best interest of the country - "the deal", Greek Minister of Finance resigned today!!! ... It is reasonable; the negotiators didn't want him, as he was too smart for their taste and their plans. Well, they now succeeded (after failing for 6 months to drop the government) ......

In a corner older Ministers Venizelos (PASOK), Hardouvelis (ND), flint (ND), Papaconstantinou (PASOK), Alogoskoufis (ND), Papantoniou (PASOK) should sit perplexed, together with the ministerial chairs who have taken at home with them.
They wonder how is it possible a minister to operate for the good of the country and not for his pocket.


You see? there's an app for that! It's called YANIS!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/06/greek-finance-minister-yanis-varoufakis-resigns-despite-referendum-no-vote?CMP=fb_gu

Edit:
Here's a nice article for you to read: http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/07/05/greece-what-you-are-not-being-told-by-the-media/
705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 06, 2015, 06:10:57 AM
Varoufakis resigns as finance minister Huh

It's been confirmed:

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, Mr YANIS VAROUFAKIS

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain ‘preference’ by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my... ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras,  the new Minister of Finance, and our government.
The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

http://www.protothema.gr/economy/article/490697/varoufakis-apohoro-apo-to-upourgeio-oikonomikon-/
706  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 05, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
Thank you macsga I was going to reply similarly.

Anyway we shall see in the next days. I do think that this vote is historical because, as I said, it's the first time since the EU that a population refuse to follow blindly what the EU says. And I'm sorry but a part from the freedom of movement there's nothing good coming from the EU instituition.

Well, this has to change. Change is always coming from the people who have the ability to think differently than the masses; the missfits. Directives are being carved by circumstance to face specific situations. This is the case we have now in our hands. A brand new situation. We have a region that is being governed by officials that for the last 5 years all they did is wrong.

We as Greeks today voted for a "No" to the austerity measures proposed by ECB/IMF/EU last week (I leave aside the fact that they took it back just when the referendum had been announced). Now, us the 62% of the Greeks we have to ask a new question to the EU officials:

Do we want a better Europe?

If the answer is "Yes", then Greece will be the one to introduce the "how we build it" directives. If the answer is "No" I'm afraid Greece will have to work itself out of there ASAP. We didn't want and we didn't sign for such a coalition... and I'm sure it will be better off alone.

PS: Thanks for your kind words.
707  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2015, 10:04:07 PM
It's already Monday in Japan... and guess what...

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=USD
708  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 05, 2015, 09:57:57 PM


No further comments...  Grin
709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GCoin [GCN] can now be used to buy goods at www.worldofelectronics.ie €1=G2.5m on: July 05, 2015, 09:41:18 PM
Hi

Are debit and credit cards operational as normal or do shops need to use the POS systems you mentioned ?
I find the situation in Greece very complicated. I guess mostly because I'm not there to see what people are
feeling and how they are operating on the ground. Do people have any sort of plan or is just a completely
see what happens situation and work it out as it comes ?

Best
Greg

Hi.

Debit and credit cards are operational here almost on every shop that has a POS. Most possibly if the EU decides in favor of more austerity, we will have to operate with those for the months to come. Liquidity is scarce already (small bills mainly) and there are people that have no ability to withdraw money from their accounts via the ATM machines (lack of 20EUR bills). The plan is that "life will go on" even without money as we know it. There are rumors that the Greek government already has plans about blockchain solutions (with whatever that means).

Regards.
710  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 05, 2015, 09:08:41 PM
I think the Greeks showed the EU that nothing can be pushed too much.

Just the opposite. It's not the EU that has no time left.
When ECB will not raise ELA tomorrow, banks and the government will have no more cash in 1 or 2 days.
So no more withdrawels from your account, no more pensions/government salaries will be paid, no more food/gasoline/... will enter the country. Tourists will leave because the hotels won't be able to provide food. Even Credit card companies could stop processing transactions inside Greece.
How long do you suppose the Greek government will survive that? 1 week, 2 weeks ??

You don't really expect EVERY European politician will roll over because of this vote ?
The Greek voted no to Europe so Europe will simply stop funding Greece.
It's been made very clear to the Greek that this was the outcome when voting no.

As EU we should automatically block all Greek bank accounts everywhere in Europe, and preferably also in Switserland.

What a great text; very bright new ideas! I find this attitude of yours pretty democratic; solidarity excels from your phrases while your thesis represents every single human into the EU. Let me ask a naive question though since your mental abilities clearly overcome mine.

Do you think this is the way things should go from now on? A regional entity that was created with the idea of economic growth, equality, exchange of ideas should work this thing out like this? Should the EU just ignore the democratic demand of 62% of a member state? Pardon my ignorance but I fail to comprehend how this could work out this time, the next time and so forth...

PS:
Congrats JohanM. You're a true EU believer!
PS2:
Is it true that Germany forced 3000eur as max daily withdrawal since Friday? Tick Tock Johan. Tick Tock...
PS3:
711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2015, 06:31:08 PM
"The Oxi effect": $275 now.

I predict it will not go so much higher, so be careful. Some will dump. But I think that there is a great possibility for the price that $266 can hold - an historical mark.

I predict that in 5hrs when Japan starts waking up all Hell will break loose. Rumor says that today Germany's Bundestag is calling for immediate meeting. We're waking up to a new Europe. Maybe a brand new world.
712  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 05, 2015, 06:21:23 PM
61%
NO

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-latest-on-greece-polls-open-in-bailout-referendum/2015/07/05/95f5a04a-22cb-11e5-a135-935065bc30d0_story.html
713  Other / Meta / Re: "THE LIST" on: July 05, 2015, 06:19:30 PM
thank you so much for this list
i hope you would keep it up since there are so many scammers and spammers here in the forum  Grin

You're most welcome.

Today's update:
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714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2015, 01:07:46 PM
Vote no macsga. It's for the best IMO.

It's already done my friend.


"He who refuses, has no regrets.
If he was asked again, he would still say 'No'..."

Konstantinos Kavafis (1863-1933)
715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2015, 11:24:29 AM
sunday pump ?  Grin

More like "China Monday approaching" + "Greeks vote No". I still think this is a nice time to buy and expect a huge pump by tomorrow. Let's see.

http://cnnphilippines.com/business/2015/07/05/China-stock-market-crash.html
716  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2015, 10:43:38 PM
Let's go!



This is by far the most pleasant chart I've seen for quite some time in this thread... Yes Fakhoury, we definitely need some optimism. Smiley
717  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 04, 2015, 09:29:33 PM
Nobody is telling the truth, exept Angela Merkel, because she can decide.  Anything that is decided in the Eurogroup, has to be confirmed in the Bundestag  (the German parliament).

Chances are you're right. She's telling the truth, since she has the rightful position to decide for a country's future... It's easy to say the truth when you're burden free. Living in a country that became "the miracle" of economic growth because in 1954* the other countries signed off its external debt; sure, seems the right way to do it.

But... what if everybody asked for their money back? Why Germany, back then was eligible for a "gift" and Greece now is not? Maybe Greece is just too small for Germany's big plans; but back in 1940 they settled all those plans back. History is a bitch. Tends to repeat itself; and fool yourselves not, we're at war today. Only the weapons are bonds, derivatives and Euro bills.**

Sources:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Agreement_on_German_External_Debts
** http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34431

Edit:
To backup my previous musings here's an interesting article from Huffington Post:

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It is not surprising that the very idea of a referendum would provoke the ire of the eurozone authorities. Unlike the European Union, which has a different history, the eurozone project has become a fundamentally anti-democratic project. It has to be; the people currently running it want to reverse, as much as possible, decades of social progress on issues that are vital to Europeans.

But you don't have to take my word for it: there is a paper trail of thousands of pages that spell out their political agenda. The IMF conducts regular consultations with member governments under Article IV of its charter, and these result in papers which contain policy recommendations. There were 67 such consultations for EU countries during the four years of 2008 to 2011, and the pattern was striking: budget tightening was recommended in all 27 countries, with spending cuts generally favored over tax increases.

Cutting health care and pension spending, reducing eligibility for disability and unemployment compensation, raising retirement ages and increasing labor supply were also overwhelmingly common recommendations.

The European authorities took advantage of the crisis and post-crisis years to impose parts of this agenda on the weaker eurozone economies: Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and most brutally of all, Greece. More than 20 governments fell as a result, until finally, in Greece on January 25, a government was elected that said no. The goal of the European authorities, therefore, is to topple this government. This has been apparent since the ECB cut off its main line of credit to Greece on February 4.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/congress-imf-greece_b_7716422.html

718  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 04, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
Very good show and with some really important facts about the greece crisis.
Although there are critical voices against the greece policies of frau merkel the majority of german news is pro austerity and rather supportive to a grexit in the case of a No.

They only have this policy to cover the most inalienable truth: "That the economic & political fracture of the EU needs a crucial update". It's a no brainer if you think about it. Would you decide over a country's financial death in order to keep the leash tight for the others not to ask for more? Is this the reason that EU has been formed in the first place? Financial enslavement? We ought to offer as partners what we have to the others.

We have olive oil, we have tourism, others have milk and car manufacturing. We're supposed to work together for a better common future. We're not supposed to form a "governmental puppet show" with appointed people that have been promoting what the strongest commands. That's not what we signed for.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/greeces-debt-burden-the-truth-finally-emerges

Edit:
‘We’ve made hope return to Europe’ – in conversation with Paul Mason on Ch4

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/04/weve-made-hope-return-to-europe-in-conversation-with-paul-mason-on-ch4/
719  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 04, 2015, 04:31:14 PM
Why doesn't USA help Greece paying the debt? put your money where your mouth is, once again.

They are the ones that got the first hit from the Banksters back in 2008; remember Lehman Bros? They faced it by printing more money 'cause "Too Big To Fail". IMHO, they have every right to "advise politely" the IMF since they have a pretty big amount invested in there (https://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx). Don't forget; IMF was created NOT to "save" countries, but to "earn" money! They're an international bank! Failing to do so properly is... well... bad?

Propaganda is king everywhere right now, I don't blame anyone that "got it" wrong. But if you're from Germany (or can speak German) please watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDbyMX3NHhc

It's not from the Greek television. It's the ARD, on the show "Monitor" on July 2nd 2015.
720  Economy / Economics / Re: Grexit on: July 04, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Even though I can't test it for its originality, there's a letter from the USofA Congress to mrs Lagarde of the IMF concerning Greece:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/270323472/Congressional-Letter-to-Lagarde-070215-1
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