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7741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: After a few months of China crackdown on mining. Check it out! on: October 17, 2021, 03:21:06 AM
and yet some pools official data is still showing they are solving blocks from farms in china

https://pool.btc.com/en-US/pool-stats
(scroll to bottom)
8 blocks by just this pool are recorded to be mined in china on the 16th of october.
same day
2 blocks US
3 blocks EU

so it seems china is still on their record as being majority mining
7742  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ***BREAKING *** Bitcoin ETF is approved on: October 17, 2021, 02:14:17 AM
its not approved. the nasdaq just confirming they received an application. and WHEN aprroved they will list it.

i can personally create a whole new financial tool requiring like 5 years of SEC debate and to-and-through. yet i can get a nasdaq listing offer in weeks. it means nothing by itself

meaning there will be no listing on the 18th(monday first business day after the letter)

its just a letter saying they WANT to hurry up the approval process,
NOT a letter saying the approval process has been accellorated
NOT a letter saying the approval is confirmed

calm down guys.

..
once a ETF is actually approved. the excitement will not be in that first company. but on a fact that there is a template that other companies can copy to get their own companies approved by following the leaders policies. then you will see hundreds of ETF get default approved in fast succession

but that time is not now. the company named in the letter has not been approved by the SEC. and no information has been shown to say when/if they will be successful.

these letters are not confirming the ETF is approved. instead its like a notice of intention or a notice that the business is more then just vapourware. businesses use these letter not to start running the business but just to show off to investors that something is coming. basically its a way to sway investors to start handing them money before the business even begins
7743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Doctor Doom Nouriel Roubini now NOT anti-Bitcoin on: October 16, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
Schiff may still be a shill for gold

schiff is not a shill for gold.

he wants people to buy it.
translation
he wants to sell his gold and exit gold.

a true hoarder doesnt want people trying to buy it off them. a true hoarder would tell people to go away and stop asking.

remember when boilerroom stock/shares(pump n dump) guy comes around offering you 'deals' on shares..  its because they already bought in and are now looking for buyers so they can sell/exit out

yes schiff will over promise and over commit on something he is ready to escape. thats how things work.
you see it with all these pre-mined crapcoins and altnets. they want others to join in. so that the promoters can exit-out with profit

and yes schiff has targetted the bitcoin market. where he wants them to sell coins for gold(aka give him btc).
and yes schiffs accepts bitcoin via bitpay (pretends he converts to dollars(pfft))
7744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What problems face Bitcoin? on: October 14, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Lightning on a mobile wallet works great though.

lightning is a different network using units of account that are not bitcoin/sats. they are a thing called millisats. the transaction format of a milisat payment does not even function if you took that raw data and broadcast it to bitcoin as is.
lightning is not bitcoin. but can bridge to bitcoin by preconvertion on the lightning network to make it work in a separate function called close session. which is a different thing than the in-LN payment system

so bitcoin if you only talk about bitcoin does have a problem. the solution is not lightning as thats like saying the solution to bitcoin is a crapcoin. or pretending that bitcoin does not have a problem because a crap coin is bitcoins solution.

its like saying the solution to gold. is bank notes. yet everyone knows a bank note representing small amounts of gold stored in a vault is not actually gold, its paper
..
hiding bitcoins problems by telling people to offramp to another network and another unit of measure. is not solving bitcoins problems. its just promoting to use another network and avoid using bitcoin.

anyone suggesting or promoting to solve bitcoins issues by getting people to move over to another network. is not really helping bitcoin.
..
remember what happened to gold. citizens had gold. then got told to hand them into bank vaults and be given paper receipts(gold backed bank notes(iou)). over time people trusted the paper receipts and didnt value real gold.
now people have gold in their home in the form of device hardware, tooth fillings, but now they dont value it as a currency or an asset. they would rather throw their device in the trash when it breaks rather than recover the gold. instead they are blindly trusting the other unit of measure(bank note).

LN is in the same process. they want the deposits but they want high bitcoin fees to avoid withdrawals. they instead want people to withdraw out of LN via altcoins like litecoin, which offers cheap fees. so that the channel counterpart(hub/bank) can take the bitcoin and the user gets the altcoin.

LN is not a solution.. its a replacement. much like nickel and brass coins was a replacement for gold when people dont want bank notes
7745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What problems face Bitcoin? on: October 14, 2021, 02:37:38 AM
volatility is caused by so many exchanges with such little coin on the order lines

when orderlines are 0.001, and the price change per order is like more then 1 penny in reality. a currency does not need much to shift +/- a dollar in milliseconds

most public exchanges are bot driven. where most orders are not 'placed to fill'. but 'placed to wall' where by if the price does move near them the bots cancel and re order in a different position.

this is not about actually doing buys/sells but to try to follow/sheep other exchanges.
this means that a user with enough actual coin can easily shift the price and cause other exchanges to shift without actually having his coin on those other exchanges.

when people learn that the bitcoin price is not based on all ~18mill coins.. nor even the presumed ~2mill coins sat in exchange wallets. but based on simply the current price of a 0.001 coin orderline being bought.
then people will realise its not the coins fault. but the exchange orderbook fault that allows such volatility without any 'circuit breaker' style of exchange tools
7746  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Citizen Journalist Secretly Films 20 Year Pfizer Contractor on Covid Vax "Skepti on: October 14, 2021, 02:18:52 AM
he doesnt even work in the department that does the vaccine.. so he is not a specialist

its like asking the bimbo models that sit on cars at car shows. yes they are paid by the car manufacturer but they have no clue about the mechanics of the car.

he is sceptical of the science of the data. he says he is amazed they got the data in such a short time.

whats next go into a high school and ask a french teacher about chemistry. and argue 'but you work for a school that teaches chemistry' to try proving a point that chemistry is fake, doesnt exist, dangerous, not taught... um sorry thats not how the world works

its been a known fact that instead of doing

w01:mice jab(initial 3 weeks)
w02-w03:
w04:review results(two months from 4th week)
w05-10:
w11:mice jab(3 months)
w12-22:
w23:review results(two months)
w24-31:
w32: start human testing
...
instead they done
w01:mice jab(initial 3 weeks) - 
w02:review results(one month from week2)
w03-05:
w06:mice jab(3 months)
w07:review results(three months from week7)
w08-w20
w21:start human testing

..
instead of collecting data about week 1, week2 week3 results and then twiddle thumbs, they instead collected week 1 results and reviewed week 1 results during week2.. they then got week2 results and reviewed it in week3. they then got week3 results and reviewed it in week4. they then re-reviewed all data in week 5 and came to a conclusion about the first 3 week test. and then moved to next phase on week 6

its called concurrent test and review.. rather then consecutive test then review

just because you found a video where a guy not involved in the vaccine testing admits he doesnt know about the vaccine test process.. does not mean the real info is not available.

how about spend some time learning how the process works and not find uninvolved people to tell you how they dont know how the thing works
7747  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The "Covid19 is an escaped lab experiment" theory on: October 13, 2021, 07:51:17 PM
another boring topic, full of fake crap and opinions made by people that dont know better

the US-wuhan contract was not to pay for experiments in wuhan it was to pay for equipment and samples to be shipped to america
what america then done was NOT gene splice viruses together for 'gain of function', it was actually to progressively freeze SARS virus to then have a cold tolerant virus, which of course by this fact, then does not tolerate room temperature. this is not gain of function. this is loss of function(no replication at room temperature)
many old fashion vaccines were made this way. its how they get no replicating factor viruses to use as a base for vaccine. but what they found was it was not a good base to use for the current covid vaccine. so they didnt do anything with it in 2020+
.. and no the sars cold tolerant strain is not linked to covid.
..
as for covid. thousands of labs have sampled the covid virus and got its sequence. and what does this reveal. that there has been no signs of gene splice no crispr no gene editing markers. meaning no sign of lab activity

yep thats right. covid was not modified in a lab.

.. so lets move on.
7748  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Guy who broke the system! on: October 11, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
and in just the first couple minutes he made multiple fails

putting 2 magnets together does not create 1 magnet. its still 2 magnets. the north and south at the middle of the 2 touching magnets still exist and still cause magnetic force separate from the end NS.

in a car crash when 2 cars hit each other they do not become one car.. in other words you cant make a SUV out of 2 priuses in a head on collision
the car crash vehicles still have 2 sets of tail lights 2 sets of tail bumbers. and 2 sets of front lights and bumpers.

also the guy was a sailor for decades. and in just the first few minutes you can see is anger that he never got promoted and only got a certificate for thanks. if he had any intelligence he would say he was a captain or a general after climbing the ranks. but nah. decades of work and still left at sailor level. so yea. using his navy title as some credential for a physics video means nothing but just a cry of sympathy. though reality is being a sailor level title means nothing. maybe he spent too much time reading compasses and had a obsession with magnets. maybe his captain just didnt trust him with anything more than a compass, who knows.

anyway. the video bored me as the first 2 minutes begun with a mis-info point meaning anything leading from that point was deemed to be wrong too
7749  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where did all the shills go? on: October 11, 2021, 11:13:09 AM
boring thread.

i have better things to do with my life
no need to say anymore.


'my life' = cowering in a studio apartment bobbing for nickels with footer spam and slathering oneself with alcohol to fight off an imaginary virus while waiting to die from the gene therapy.

footer spam? .. um thats badecker
cowering in a studio apartment.. again thats badecker, well more like a basement.

your the one fighting off imaginary virus.. the rest of us are fighting off a real virus.
you fight soo many imaginary things (from your own imagination)
and its you that fears death by gene therapy. slowing waiting for your time to come fearing dangers you imagine up. giving them names to scare yourself even further. while the rest of us are getting on with life

anyway. boring topic. moving on
7750  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where did all the shills go? on: October 11, 2021, 09:21:31 AM
boring thread.

i have better things to do with my life
no need to say anymore.
7751  Other / Politics & Society / Re: china gov use hollywood / paid youtuber use them try "dishonor" me on: October 07, 2021, 10:07:37 AM
so some chinese troll bullied you and while high you had a paranoid thought that a whole country thinks you are important enough to be targetted.

um.. dude you got trolled by an individual. get over it and move on
7752  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I can prove there was no civilization on earth, before us, using mineral deposit on: October 07, 2021, 09:03:21 AM
hypothetical, for fun

although we can look at the land and excavations of our history of say 1 million years
but. what if. before 1 million years the earth went through a phase of superhot period that literally melted and burned EVERYTHING.
turning any machinery into basic elemental clumps of minerals again. thus leaving no sign of machines.

no one actually knows what happened before the primordial soup that stated the life cycle that evolved into humans during this last/current period.

we can only see the history after the ooze
7753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 10:27:46 PM
As is typical, franky1 has now gone completely off topic from the original question.

Like I said, you can ignore him, he tends to be more interested in pushing an agenda and fear-mongering than actually answering questions and educating.

as always this question of "what if in 2140" and "what about 9th decimal" has been asked many many times. and so instead of just the obvious answer.. i go one step further and actually include details of CURRENT present tense issues that impact such issues of the topic, in the future.

the simple question has now been asked and answered. and now its for further lessons about more indetail stuff.. shame danny does not want people talking about the finer details of bitcoin. seems he does not want people to learn about the indepth goings on of bitcoin.. wonder why

but danny wants me ignored because i talk about issues that are in plan/discussion of change in the present and that affect the future of this topics question which he does not want people reading

but hey. this is a discussion forum about bitcoin not a "shut up about bitcoin and promote altnet" so i will continue discussing things that affect bitcoin

yep my comments change your highlighted
20,999,999.97690000 which should be achieved in 2140
to actually be
20,999,999.99999570 btc (user interface cludgy math total) by 2192
or technically
2,099,999,997,690,000 minimal sharable units changing to
20,999,999,999,995,700,000 minimal sharable units by 2192

meaning the topic creators question has more then one answer and result to his question

oh and the funny part..
discussing things dev want to be kept a secret(by ignoring/banning user discussion of such) is not 'fear mongering' its actually called transparency. and informing. because some people actually want to know about things being proposed that can break and change bitcoin.

pretending it can cause fear must be an admission by danny that what has been discussed is something people would fear. meaning danny and his ilk should not be secretly pushing to proceed in letting such a thing happen.
but if what was discussed had no impact and affect. then its not fear mongering. (so why call it fear mongering?)

so danny do you really approve of the change to the binary values and the need for cludgy code and math to translate and convert at user level and have alot more bug fix code to prevent back-forward compatibility issues just to get your altnet to work with bitcoin?
or
have i got you wrong and you want the binary measure to stay as is and not have "extra decimals" at user interface level, meaning you want to keep bitcoin values as is?

if its the second i apologise as pigeonholing you into the certain group. if its the first. then people need to know this stuff
7754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 08:28:21 PM
which can break bitcoin in many ways about backward compatibility and forward compatibility of reading transaction values and reward rule amounts
How can it break it?

Once we came into this agreement of four more decimals, the code would change, but Bitcoin wouldn't break. Satoshi (sat) wouldn't be the base unit (as it is in the source code), but another one which is a thousand times less than that. Transactions signed after this change could have a prefix which would indicate that the user signs based on the new milli-toshi base unit. Any transaction's amount which was signed without this prefix, like the ones before the change, would be considered as a thousand times greater.

the binary rule.. the real base rule.. the binary measure will be broken
but you think its ok because you can hide the break using user interface level code to hide the break with 'prefixes'

you are clamoring onto ideals that the hard rule is actually the soft rule of the user visual of btc.. without realising or admitting that the real rule is binary.

changing the binary of 6.26btc means that old nodes see the new measure as being more then 6.25 btc under their rules.
and new nodes see the old 6.25btc as being less than 6.25btc if some cludgy user prefix code is not added to hide the change

and yes it requires alot of cludgy code to translate and hope to not break the binary rule by having cludgy math express numbers different at human interface level

if you think you can have cludgy user interface code to hide the rule break than you are pathetic.
the other pathetic thing is how you defend such an act of editing bitcoins hard rule to be alt-net compatible. when these silly altnets you want compatibility with have no consensus nor longevity nor loyalty. and so it should be these altnets that should have the cludge to be bitcoin compatible

if other networks cant work with bitcoin. then other networks should not continue to operate as they have failed. if other networks want compatibility.. they should change. without breaking bitcoin to make other networks succeed
7755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
So indeed we will never have 21 million coins that way.

You can just ignore the nonsense from Charles-Tim, franky1, and hugeblack.  Clearly they didn't pay attention to what you were actually asking (although at least franky1 did point out how at a technical level the "halving" actually works and why the extra half a satoshi simply disappears).

As o_e_l_e_o has pointed out, and you have come to realize, it was never intended that there would be exactly 21,000,000 Bitcoins.  The more accurate phrase would be that there will never be more than 21,000,000 bitcoins, since no matter what the number is it will always be less than that.  There have on occasion been miners (or mining pools) that have failed to create the maximum allowed block reward in their blocks.  Therefore, the actual total will end up being less than the 20,999,999.9769 Bitcoins that were theoretically possible when Bitcoin first started.


though technically there are no btc..
here is the real technical

bitcoin at binary base level has no btc. its units of measure for the human translation of 50btc is
100101010000001011111001000000000 units of measure produce every block in 2009-2011
5000000000 satoshi(not btc)
5000000000 smallest units of account was the real rule for the first reward.

however some silly people in the development team stupidly think that it is ok to make it so that
although in
2009-2012 100101010000001011111001000000000 (50)
2012-2016 10010101000000101111100100000000 (25)
2016-2020 1001010100000010111110010000000 (12.5)
2020-2024 100101010000001011111001000000 (6.25)

these silly people want to make it so that there are 4 more decimals (12 instead of 8 )
aka MORE units of account. more sharable units. more measures to hand around
meaning changing the hard rule to become
6.25btc 100101010000001011111001000000
6.25btc 1011010111100110001000001111010010000000000

which can break bitcoin in many ways about backward compatibility and forward compatibility of reading transaction values and reward rule amounts

also breaks the scarcity hard rule that was promised never to be tampered with or broken

but this also means 13 more halvings. not only changing how many decimals of "btc" coins are produced as of final halving.
but also change the end date of final halving by 52 years and also changing the maximum UNITS OF SHARABILITY (aka sarcity)

so while danny and o_e_l_e_o in some subsections of the forum pretend the max cap is just under 21mill coins and pretend to be smart by mentioning the limit in precise decimal amount. in other sections of the forum they promote breaking these rules to be compatible with other networks.. funnily then breaking their own math of how many decimals will be final..

i personally hope they stop promoting a rule change else where that will break their own decimal math. and i hope bitcoin binary value does not break rules. meaning without changing anything about the binary halving or binary value. their decimal computation of 20,999,999.97690000 remains true of the final real amount ever possible.
7756  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The keys to unlock the golden gate of herd immunity towards Sars-CoV-2 on: October 06, 2021, 11:03:46 AM
Stop mass vaccination (including boosters) as it puts more gas on the detrimental evolutionary dynamics of the virus (see increase in infection rates in countries/ regions with high vaccine coverage rates)


vaccines help your body to be on the look out for a pathogen with a certain identifier. meaning your body responds sooner. meaning your body fights sooner. meaning less incubation meaning less chance of mutation

meaning vaccines reduce the risk of mutation and evolution.

by also fighting back faster. the person gets less sick. meaning less death, less pain less symptoms when they finally do get covid. and so more survival rate from covid is better for everyone

also less incubation means less viral load when exhaling. meaning less spread. again meaning less people getting sick and less chance of mutation

it seems the person writing the article in this topic wants mass death and mass injury. seems they are the eugenics psychopaths
7757  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
a few points to correct
one coin is not produced per block. meaning block 2,100,000 will not be the block with the final 'created' coin reward

there are 210,000 blocks per halving. and there are 32 halvings. meaning ~block number 6,930,000

after that, its just pure transaction fee as the reward
however thats in year 2140~.. and also for maybe 100 years prior to that(2040) people wont be concentrating on the block reward 'created' coins. as the amounts would be less than a single coin from 12 years time. where as the transaction fee's would be over 1btc(as they are now)

think of it as created coin as salary and fee as commission.. and your pay structure just shifting whereby the commission oversteps how much salary you get untill you just forget about caring about the salary because you are getting most of your income from commission. and then one day when you are 140years old.. your earnings is just pure commission

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply#Projected_Bitcoins_Long_Term

...
also technically.. there is no btc in bitcoin. there is no decimal point
yep. thats right you will find no 8decimal number in any raw blockdata or raw tx
the 'btc' value is a division of satoshi amount /100,000,000 that is done purely at the user interface level

at binary level and data level everything is measured in satoshi units, well actually its starts as binary then converted to integer, then converted to btc
NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND

todays 6.25 btc is actually 625000000
in binary 100101010000001011111001000000

next halfs 3.125 btc is actually 312500000
in binary 10010101000000101111100100000

the halving is removing 1 binary bit from the end
so
1001010100000010111110010000 = 156250000
100101010000001011111001000 = 78125000
10010101000000101111100100 = 39062500
1001010100000010111110010 = 19531250
100101010000001011111001 = 9765625
10010101000000101111100 = 4882812
1001010100000010111110 = 2441406
100101010000001011111 = 1220703
10010101000000101111 = 610351

as you can see 9765625->4882812  does not have 2.5
as you can see 1220703->610351  does not have 1.5
7758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Collection Thread] Series and films in which Bitcoin (or Altcoins) appear on: October 06, 2021, 10:22:48 AM
TV show
FBI international # Season 1 Episode 3 # 05:21

subtitle - edited to be more conversationally readible

But Swiss police got that these two were hired transporters moving four cryptocurrency wallets to a place called Wellix, a cryptocurrency vault in the Alps.

- I've heard of that place-- it's basically the Fort Knox of cryptocurrency on the planet.

- Full disclosure: my grasp on cryptocurrency wallets is similar to my grasp on "Finnegan's Wake,"

- which is to say loose, in a nutshell. Wallets are the equivalent to a safety deposit box.
If you don't have a crypto wallet, your coins are sitting on an exchange somewhere online.

There were some online hacks in the past that caused some concern over this. Hacks are less likely today,
and companies are being held to higher safety standards, but some people still feel safer having their coins in a wallet. The downside is, if your coins aren't online, they're essentially sitting on a flash drive, or wallet.

If you lose the wallet, you lose it all. Speaking of, this guy in London is paying the city 7 million pounds
to search the local dump to find a hard drive he tossed, the one with 27 million in Bitcoin on it.
7759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen after 21 million bitcoin have been mined? on: October 04, 2021, 08:56:24 PM
Along with Danny, I would also like to thank you for spitting this meaningless message. By the way, the last block isn't planned to be mined in 2140. You're talking about the last satoshi.

but plans are being made to alter things soon to affect that pre-acknowledged date. so while playing head in sand thinking 'oh dont worry let our grandad kids figure it out. and fix the problems made by their ancestors.'

we should actually be discussing the plans that are in progress NOW that will change things NOW which affect the future.

EG the plans to keep the blocksize stifled to only sub 3k tx which affects fee amounts thus miners income.
EG breaking the binary rule of actual sharable units that effect everything

but hey. those that want to play "dont worry let generation MMCXL sort it out". maybe you not get involved in any discussion and unsubscribe from the forum if you dont want to get involved in any discussion about the current and future progress of bitcoin

and no. dont reply that altnet routers hubs will 'pay' miners. as thats just advertising another network that wants bitcoin to fail
7760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen after 21 million bitcoin have been mined? on: October 04, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
A hard fork that would increase the coin supply.
There's no reason to ever increase the coin supply. Not-even-one. The system works currently with this circulating supply and any change in it would be consensus-ly irrational.


there is already alot of circle jerking in a certain group about increasing the supply but hiding such under a silly thing called millsat

at the moment 6.25btc is represented in binary as:
100101010000001011111001000000
which is actually 625000000 units of measure. thats the real hard rule for new coin production
(there is no such thing as btc at binary or consensus rule, nor held on the blockchain or in set in raw tx data)

the certain group want to make it 12 decimal bitcoin IE 6250000000000 units. but then shift the divider to still be perceived at GUI (user interface) level as 6.25btc

but at binary level it would then be:
1011010111100110001000001111010010000000000
allowing for 12 more 'halvings' meaning 48 more years of divide the units of measure before it cant divide no more

but essentially it just means pretending there are still 21mill 'bitcoin' even though there are 1000x more units of sharable value. and also breaking the rules of the binary limits and also the amount of halvings and such

all so that this certain group can destroy bitcoins trust of certain features never getting broke just to make bitcoin compatible with other altnets that should themselves change to fit bitcoin not make bitcoin fit them
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