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7821  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The recent surge in Covid-19 is making vaccine makers to have a rethink on: August 31, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
pre-vaccine(december 2020)
there were many variants
alpha beta gamma delta(all found pre december 2020)
yet due to vaccines. delta had been halted from further mutation for 9 months.
and lamda has only just become a thing.

so it shows that vaccines has helped delay spread/mutations.
think about it.
if there were 4(ABGD) mutations of notoriety in the 11 months from january to november 2020
and only 1(L) mutation of notoriety in the 9 months from december to august

then thats nearly a 4 to 5x benefit of vaccines of stalling the mutation rate
7822  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I saw my first counterfeit Covid vaccination card yesterday… on: August 31, 2021, 10:18:02 AM
oh look at the social drama
ognasty ignores the points about the topic just to cry about the personal attack. EG defending a point that the person that got scammed is not his friend.. a meaningless detail unrelated to topic but ognasty spend the effort to emphasise it.
funnily enough. the other guy that got scammed must not have been a complete stranger, otherwise there would have been no conversation between the two people.. because strangers dont talk. hense defined as strangers
so there was a common sense reason to assume friendship because he was interacting with another human.
by the way. saying friend/buddy does not mean you have sleep overs together and do each  others hair. it just means that you have some knowledge of the other person to atleast have a FRIENDLY conversation with.



anyways. the assumption that i am obese by someone else in the topic is another bit of drama causing loyalism. certain people jump on other peoples defense and sling out insults because their buddy is getting into debates. .. boring.

i dont sling insults and start debates to get merit. i dont care about people kissing my ass. i never have.
if you lot have that mindset to think thats my motive. its more likely in your mindset because its YOUR motive.
seems more people get on the defense about a topic not due to the facts of the topic, but due to loyalism of social groups. you would rather repeat being wrong just because its the group rhetoric you have to be loyal to. rather than break away from the group rhetoric to actually be right.

there is a big conspiracy group of idiots that want to remain idiots just to have some notoriety and prominence in their little loyalty social groups.(EG flat earthers, 9-11ers)  and by obviously showing signs of having that certain rhetoric, automatically deems you as an idiot be default.

so dont think im calling you an idiot for merit. think that im calling you an idiot because of the rhetoric you say being the same boring uninformed scripts i hear from conspiracy lunatics. yep if you sound like an antivaxxer, you instantly earn the title of idiot by default.

if you want to break free from being called a idiot. stop pandering to the social groups of stupid conspiracy lunatics

....
now to the topic
covid is a new thing. something the immune system does not recognise. so the first infection is going to be the worse. as your body is not yet on the instant defense.
its why there is no runny nose symptom. no sneezing. because runny nose and sneezing is a trigger immune response when it can recognise the pathogen at the entry way and try to expel it at the entry way before it gets to the lungs.
again covid has not become common and isnt recognised by immune systems to actually activate this immune trigger.
and thats why covid is not a common flu/cold. because its not common.

the reason why the symptoms are:
loss of taste/smell - because your immune response at the entryways are not triggered. so the virus gets to attack the nose and mouth damaging the smell and taste receptors
persistant cough. this is not caused by throat flem. its caused by cell damage in the throat/lung that is causing irritation and pain.

fever. this is the later symptom that is finally a sign your body is reacting and trying to fight off the virus.. but this immune response is like the last resort.


so instead of forcing yourself to get covid for that initial infection which can be deadly, painful, irritating. many smart people would prefer to have a introduction to get the body to recognise the pathogen spike. without having the risks that accompany the health risks of the virus itself

then later if they do get the infection. they can avoid the bad symptoms listed above. and then have the 'boost' from the virus infection as a second introduction.
so technically yes the best approach is to get the vaccine and then get covid within like 6 months of a vaccine. to then have the least harm method of immunisation

vaccines do not multiply. so you avoid the risk of replication and cell damage caused by this
vaccines do not pass person to person. so you dont pass it to someone else that might be more vulnerable
vaccines dont cause suffocation. so having an injection in the arm is better than an infection in the lung
vaccines do not modify DNA/RNA. they are not gene editing.
they use mRNA to create proteins using the bodies normal mechanics without changing the mechanics
it goes to the ribosome(protein factory) not the nucleus(dna warehouse)
mrna lacks the sarna and trna required to do things conspiracy idiots think a vaccine does


if you can actually take the time to step away from the conspiracy loyalist social groups rhetoric and actually try to do some independent research. you not only learn what is real. but you also get a chance to step away from being cast as an idiot because you are willing to dis-associate yourself from idiots.

so do yourself a favour and stop repeating stuff you heard from your friends/associates/people you talk to who are idiots, and actually spend some time learning some real stuff.
not only for personal learning. but to save yourself from being cast as an idiot
7823  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Under covid tyranny, US hospitals have become MURDER FACTORIES where... on: August 31, 2021, 09:48:25 AM
if you take 10 people suffocating with covid and needing hospital treatment.

if you put 5 on a ventilator and 5 not on a ventilator.
the 5 not on a ventilator will die.. because they are suffocating.

the other 5 on a ventilator get more oxygen and have a better outcome.

what badecker does not realise is that ventilators have a dial. where the oxygen pressure can be adjusted.
he is just reading some article that thinks ventilators just have a on/off switch of 0 or max.

he has no clue that ventilators are only dialed up to full of the sick persons lungs are damaged by covid so much that they need the extra pressure to try and get as much oxygen into the lungs and passed the damage.

badecker has no clue about how things work in the real world. he doesnt realise
he doesnt realise facts or common sense

one thing he should learn is that the real controversy is not in hospitals. but in care homes where people are put on 'do not resuscitate' orders or 'no intervention' orders due to other(comobidity) conditions which some medical reviewer deems the person to be unlikely to survive anyway and so refuses to give treatment when they do get covid.. basically allowing them to die untreated.

yep thats right there a big amount of people dying due to covid because they simply dont even get offered a chance to be ventilated becasue some reviewer deems them unlikely to survive even with treatment.
7824  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I saw my first counterfeit Covid vaccination card yesterday… on: August 30, 2021, 07:50:48 AM
Now, the point of this thread is that government is attempting a level of control that is impossible to achieve and vaccine card requirements aren’t a magic bullet. You seemed to agree with that so I’ll just take your snide comments as you having something else going on in your life causing you to spread negativity when it isn’t appropriate.

my snide comments are about conspiracy nutters too afraid to snap out of delusions. and so i speak aggressively towards them by highlighting their insanity

as for the "government is attempting a level of control".. well yea. they want to reduce the infection rate to reduce the death rate.. much like gun controls. we shouldnt just let any random idiot have a gun and fire it randomly at people..
thats kinda the whole purpose of a government. to control the dis-order that causes negative impact on peoples lives
as for thinking that its too much control.
from what i can see in america. you can still go to bars, get food, clothes, whatever, eat at restaurants. drive around. walk around, cycle around. heck you can play golf and all other sports.
you can even get on a bus train, plane.

funny part is planes are not a public service funded by government. its actually a private business.

maybe some government want to just ban all inbound flights for the purpose of infection prevention at the border.
but its then the private business flight companies that are then saying they would like some kind of way to validate someones vaccination status.. not to prevent more passengers... but to allow more passenger flights

as for the US. well you can get on a plane in NYC and fly to california without a care in the world and without any proof of vaccine
in the US you can fly to dozens of countries even the UK without the need of proof of vaccine

so instead of crying about some vaccine passport which today you just realised is a scribbled business card and nothing more.
instead of crying over your fear the government has over extended its control of everything..

how about talk a walk out of your house. and enjoy the fact that there actually isnt military on your streets..
let that be the first surprise to break your fantasy
actually realise that you can drive around freely without random police stops.
actually realise there is no security guards at grocery stores ID checking people
if you think your a true american. then go to many stores. and buy your self a keg of beer, a cowboy hat and a gun and realise you can buy now what you could buy 2 years ago

then if you can get over your fear of homesickness. get on a plane and travel and realise that plane travel also excludes a military presence
yep no military no FBI no secret service. just standard airport staff, same as a couple years ago.


so instead of crying over the fantasy 'control' you read on some site. actually SEE the reality with your own eyes outside your house and then come back and tell me how things have been affected by your REAL LIFE. not how you fear affects due to something you read on a conspiracy site
7825  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The best Fake Covid video of all. on: August 30, 2021, 07:27:19 AM
real funny part is the "creation vs isolation"
your influencer you quote in the video. guess what he didnt want proper sourced sars-cov-2 in its untampered form straight from the nasal passages of someone thats sick..
he wanted some made up, processed white powder of non-human-originating source


its like an autopsy. and your influencers is saying "nah dont give me a body. just give me some random white ash you created from some random fire somewhere"

and as said already real science has taken the source snot from sick people and found the element that causes the sickness by trying the different elements on other specimens. and the resulting ones that got sick. they tried again to ensure results were accurate. and then they examined both the separated fluid that caused the sickness sand the fluid from the resultant specimen to see the comparable. and then they sequenced the fluids

you really need to start reading research papers and not find random nonsense videos from idiots that are ignorant, deceptive, lying, conspiracy creators

you wasted many weeks since you last asked for the isolation proof. with your lame excuse of"i wont spend days reading the report"
well acknowledge you wasted weeks not reading it. and if you waste another week, you have not helped yourself. so try to spend a couple days reading the reports and save yourself some time
7826  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The best Fake Covid video of all. on: August 29, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
wow your memory is really deteriorating.

i provided proof pretty much every other month. since like may 2020
its your inability to read the reports by your own admission of not wanting to spend a couple days reading reports.

you are relying on a statement kaufman made in april2020 about his ignorant lack of doing research in february2020

things have moved on and he has been debunked soo many times. even by people he quoted

seems you forget that its nearly september 2021 and your just trying to latch onto the last memory you had which was maybe around april 2020


..
lets word it another way to make the scenario clearer
you finally lost your virginity in late january 2020 and in doing so you got a female pregnant.
for months you went ignorant and avoiding learning anything about the fetus.
then in april 2020 you read that a doctor said that if he was to examine the woman you copulated with in february he could not know what the gender of the baby.

funny part is he didnt tell you this until april. meaning in april he COULD find out what the gender of the fetus was
but then a year later, long after the woman gives birth where its then obvious what the gender is to everyone else.. you still want to mess around wasting time trying to find as many quotes about the doctor that said in april2020 and any research in february2020 could not reveal the gender.
and so in 2021 you are still screaming and crying that the baby has no gender and no one has even tried to find a gender due to your quoted doctors script thats out dated and completely void of any merit


if you value a doctor that tells you he doesnt know something and cant find research on something.... you need a new doctor or a different opinion
7827  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stew Peters - Biotech analyst says FDA approval is "checkmate" for Pfizer on: August 29, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
You jokers (fauci1 and CrazyNut) are funny.

Thousands killed by the vaxx, and the CDC even admits it in VAERS. Hundreds of thousands more harmed by the vaxx. And all you can do pick on qualifications or researchers who are trying to find out why.

One thing is sure. The vaccine companies are highly qualified for mass murdering people, getting paid by government to do it, and lying to the people.

and yet you deny the official numbers of deaths, and lung/heart and kidney damage caused by the virus

many DOZENS OF MILLIONS of people have injuries caused by virus
hundreds of thousands of people have injuries caused by vaccine

odds are having the vaccine is safer then having the virus

You jokers are about as sick as the vaxx companies. Maybe you are even part of the vaxx companies. What are your jobs there? PR to maintain the lies and coverups? Or are you really part of the killer vaxx development teams?

as for why i talk about virus and vaccine.
im not an employee or contracted by anyone.
i got into bitcoin in 2012 and quit my job and have been self  sustainable and independent since. i dont work for anyone or seek funds from anyone. (unlike you)

heck i dont even advertise products in my footer.
i am just a human that likes to learn about things affecting other humans. by actually learning what these things do and dont do. not by making up stories about how things can affect people if they went into some fantasy land

if you can waste 18months in your fantasy land.. imagine how much you can achieve if you tried to spend that time in reality
7828  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stew Peters - Biotech analyst says FDA approval is "checkmate" for Pfizer on: August 29, 2021, 07:07:01 PM
nice bit of comedy
Dr robert young thinks that the vaccines work by not RNA coding and ribsosome protein creation.. but instead by nanosized metal being microwaved to turn red blood cells into corona shaped(spiked) cells..

seriously the guy is peddling so much uninformed idiocy that he is borderline psycho

he has no clue at all


might aswell hand him a banana and let him explain that its not actually a fruit but a mirror dimension copy of the moon at 15% crescent.
im sure he can make some idiots believe that he has stock of mirror moon objects. i guarantee you badecker will buy one and think its related to the moon.
i can see it now
badecker: "it must be moon, coz crescent'
7829  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The best Fake Covid video of all. on: August 29, 2021, 11:00:50 AM
so presenter said he wanted some white powder sars-cov-2, for him to do tests on and all he was offered was some snot..

um yea. because thats the source of sars-cov-2.. from people that had it, and had snot samples taken...

if you want to test if someone had it, you want to analyse their snot..
not some random white powder you ordered over the internet (as thats a whole different story)

if you receive a package of white powder. you cant test if that came from a human because theres no chain of custody of source.
thats like asking to do a autopsy on a dead person but not wanting the body or any bodily fluids but begging for the corpses ashes.. (facepalm)
harder to prove the ashes were human, especially if your already an idiot refusing actual bodily fluids

but by having a sick persons snot. you have the chain of custody of a sick person plus the unprocessed source material to then test.

..

over a year now. well more like 20 months. labs have been testing sick peoples snot. not only using DNA/RNA profile sequences
not only do the refine the snot and separate it into different parts and then test those parts in many ways.
comparing to difference known fluids.
comparing then to different known viral families

they also compare which parts are the same for all sick people but not the same for fit people

so its not just identifying which part of the snot is not part of the human naturally. but also what is the commonality of only sick people.
and like i said they also check if that common thing only sick people have can make other specimens sick too
they tried it on multiple species of specimen and also under the microscope of human cells.

oh and when they see one person is sick with this known thing. and they see that person then makes other people sick with the same symptoms. they can actually track it


.. over the 20 months they also went into great detail.
doing 'trace' testing on people as the virus passes to person to person.
they can tell the difference between a london mutation vs an indian mutation vs a new york mutation
they can see whats the same and what has changed.

thousands of labs. over hundred of countries all investigating, isolating and testing and tracing and comparing..
7830  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I saw my first counterfeit Covid vaccination card yesterday… on: August 29, 2021, 04:31:47 AM
I saw my first counterfeit vaccination card yesterday. It was as far as I could tell indistinguishable from a legitimate card. They told me they paid $100 for it and are now able to return to work without the forced vaccination. I think this will become commonplace as the government tries to enforce the unenforceable. As the saying goes, the more you tighten your grip, the more sand will flow out through your fingers.

they got scammed

in the UK the vaccination card is nothing more then a printed business card which anyone can make for like £0.40.
all thats unique about it, is a hand written scribble of which vaccination, the batch number and date
here. have one for free
fill it in yourself


the point is these counterfeit vaccination cards are a scam. they hold no value and is a reason why i laugh when idiots think that its "a passport"
vaccination cards(if real) show you had a vaccine. and thats it. yet conspiracy idiots think they are some big magical passport worth $100 (facepalm)

Ya, imagine someone wanting to earn a living to provide for their children without having to inject themselves with experimental vaccines for the flu every 6 months. Definitely cause to call them names.

also
1. the vaccines "experiment" was in 2020.. you about 10 months late if you think its untested/experiment stage
2. its not the common flu.
common flue is when your body already has a defense and you have symptoms like snot, sneezing, runny nose. and flem in your throat. as thats your defenses excreting a known pathogen at the entryways.
covid symptoms are still dry cough and loss of taste/smell. as your body is not defending the entry way as it still doesnt know whats attacking it.

covid is not common flu.
but now im not surprised you have friends willing to pay $100 for a business card that has no value beyond $0.60(£0.40)
7831  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? on: August 27, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
how about..
for every american killed in america. one of trumps real estates should be wiped off the planet

hmm
in america.. 20,000 americans kill other americans...... no news no emotion

14 americans killed in a country they are not suppose to be in... mass media and twitter anger that afghanistan should be wiped out because people who shouldnt be there died and so the country they shouldnt be in should not be in existance..

seriously idiots writing tweets about destroying a whiole city due to a single death. really needs his own head checked because he is sounding more like a terrorist than the taliban are
7832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should other countries did not accept Bitcoins? on: August 27, 2021, 03:56:07 AM
what no one above is realising is

bitcoin was a free use asset everywhere at first. yep everywhere
and so countries had no jurisdiction over it.
they NEED to ban it. just to then have conditional use by businesses and services to then allow things like consumer protection insurance for money service businesses.
they cant audit without having the ban to then have conditions that businesses holding coin need to be audited


so dont think a country ban is a irrevocable plan.. its just the first step into then allowing regulated use and monitoring of money service businesses(and their customers). to then have legitimate and secure and insured services to offer people
(to avoid limit mtgox events)
7833  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin possibly become the Skynet of human civilization? on: August 27, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
bitcoin will not be artificial intelligence..
.. but
have a try at Automated Initiation

image you have a wallet that has programming to start a production machine(3d printer/fabricator) at the signal of a confirmed transaction on a certain key


imagine it like someone makes a deposit for a product and that payment is the trigger for a machine to make/produce or move an object

its already been done bitcoin vending machines and bitcoin 3d printers.
heck theres even bitcoin porn where women take their cloths off on webcam when they see a payment confirmed

so forget about bitcoin itself being AI(intelligent) think about it as the trigger of machine operations. where those machine operations might have more 'intelligence'

..
another point to think about
"hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin mining machines to ceaselessly support the stable operation of Bitcoin network, generating untold data for the recording of economic behaviour of human beings every moment. These data are the most valuable asset"

they dont generate untold data for the recording of economic behaviour
they just churn through a brute force sequence untill they find one sequence that matches the needs of the block solution puzzle
one sequence every ~10minutes. where this sequence by itself is meaningless and does not hold any value of economic insight into human behaviour

instead the block data(separate data compilation) just holds a couple thousand transactions
(mining asics(machines) never touch or see or compute the block data)

for emphases to save explaining in more posts
the mining asics generating sequences every moment is not a valuable asset to understanding human behaviour
7834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reminder: US House meeting to end privacy, mining and software development in US on: August 27, 2021, 02:31:11 AM
Debating with franky1 more than one post is meaningless, he has a desire of being right, no matter what you tell him, no matter the subject he must be right and the other must misunderstand something and not have a clue what they're talking about. Open this same topic with completely the opposite view on it, he will come again and criticize everyone and telling we are all wrong.
this topic
oeleo posts: 6
franky1 posts: 3

hmm seems its oeleo thats going overboard with arguing

there are many topics i leave much alone. because they are making valid points and dont need my input because they have solved their own questions

there are many topics i just make a subtle point and people realise the point

but there are certain topics where certain people really try to pretend they are influencers but then really just act like script readers spouting out some campaign of time wasting and misdirect. where they dont really think for themselves and just ride the campaign bus even to a dead end.
(these people are worse then sigspammers)

and its these topics that need multiple posts to wade through the crappy campaign propaganda and to actually poke at idiots until they wake up, because they are so blind to their own scripts they just defend them post after post without thought.(like how flat earthers act like)

so instead of creating social drama of arguing. actually take a few minutes to refuse yourself from pressing the reply button just to argue just to defend your preformed opinions based on some script you read.
stop now. stop getting the itchy finger ready to press the reply button for the sake of arguing.. and think

and actually think for once. not for how you can kiss ass the campaigner by being a sheep. not for how you can present yourself as being a developer defender because you imagine them as god.

but actually think about what the subject matter means to you personally

tale the LN fangirls
they are pushing the lets defend the developers they love as gods.. to the point of sounding like idiots. rather then thinking about how this bill affects them personally about being routers for payments

yep they wanna kiss developers ass even though in this instance developers dont need defending.. because the bill is not attacking developers. while ignoring their own risks and issues the bill will cause of treating routers as MSB

and if they cant see they are putting their own risks aside and ignore the pitifulls that will affect them, to just try acting like loyal sheep defending developers(even when not needed) then they really need to take a step back from the social drama and viral memes and campaigns. and actually think for themselves for once.

now back to the point
changing the bill to just add "excluding pools and developers" is a heck of a waste of time and not a single rational independent thought has been put into it. (sheep scripting only)
where as a simple amendment of
from: 'if any person'
to: 'if a us business'
clarifies a heck of a lot and actually closes alot of loopholes jurisdictionally and descriptively of what a broker is

the 'exclude developers and pool' changes nothing. and still puts the LN fangirls at risk. and also retailers and businesses not in the US


lets word it another way.
if a US citizen had a offshore fiat account in switzerland. the IRS cant demand the switzerland bank to report on the US citizens fiat
yet this bill allows a switzerland crypto exchange to report on a US citizens crypto trades..

so if you want a true amendment that stops this over reach, and also redefines clearly for the naive what a broker actually is.
the amendment should begin with 'if a US business'

heck its even less letters to change then 'exclude software developers, pools and nodes'
7835  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did the FDA actually approve a FUTURE covid “vaccine”? on: August 27, 2021, 02:17:12 AM
if i take a banana. before the english language named it a banana

and said 'yellow crescent shaped fruity thing' has emergency FDA licence
and the X months ago. actually give a proper name for it and actually properly approve it..

guess what. the banana is actually authorised and fully authorised even if you still think of it under its outdated unnamed description

yes you can pick out old, outdated articles from before naming it a banana to say that as a unnamed yellow crescent shaped fruity thing it only has emergency licence

but the rest of the world knows its a banana and as a banana knows it has full approval
7836  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: August 26, 2021, 05:38:36 PM
but here is the thing..


before getting any covid infection.. your at risk.. no pre-immunity
so its a game of:
be an idiot and get covid first and hope youll be fine..
get a vaccine first.. then covid. and be pretty sure you will be fine

getting covid after the vaccine means that you then have the immunisation you were seeking but without the risk

a vaccine does not prevent infection. there is no magical forcefield. a vaccine just prevents the nasty cell damage WHEN you do get covid

meaning you will get covid at some point and so you will get the 'natural immunisation' but by having the vaccine means that when you do get infected, it wont harm you as much

7837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin's valuable information on: August 26, 2021, 04:39:04 PM
the early 2021 price of $62k. was not a sustainable 'value' price.
it was an over inflated by atleast 2x bubble price

the VALUE was still around the $28k plus area.

the $62k was always going to break and correct down. it just needed the slightest poke.
stop thinking that the $62k was a value crash. it was not. it was a correction TO value

with the hashrate rising and all of those that had coins under $20k then selling for $30k. leaving new holders at a $30k bottom. the value began to rise.
and as more old coins change hands and more the hashrate rise(cost). means that VALUE line rises too

yes there is a bit of speculation ontop. not as bad as the beginning of 2021. but this $50k is above value
so either the real value has to rise and catch up. or expect some move movements up and down in the speculative bubble area above value

as for the future
if the cost of mining increases. and old coins are sold to set new minimum costs for the new holders. bitcoin will continue to rise

but if mining cost decrease this can turn into a downward spiral
7838  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My friend got arrested in a p2p scam on: August 26, 2021, 04:07:02 PM
Then my friend released bitcoin. Here is everything perfect. But the problem starts from now. After 5 hours in the afternoon, my friend goes to the bank to withdraw the cash because he needs it. The bank manager says the money is in hold because they got information from the sending branch of the bank that the account holder of the sender has filed a case about this transaction. This transaction is not made via the account holder. That means this has become a hacking case.

your friend is a victim of a thing called a "chargeback scam"

this is where someone sends funds. gets the goods/services/coin. and then makes a fake claim that the funds were taken from their account without authorisation.

the account holder is the scammer. but is pretending he got hacked to get his refund

the scammer gets refunded and the victim gets accused of being a thief
7839  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reminder: US House meeting to end privacy, mining and software development in US on: August 26, 2021, 03:53:05 PM
alot of people just dont know how real life works.

heck they are posting dozens of posts about this bill and yet they do not even know how the SEC functions nor anything about MSB's and who the bill is really targetting
heck i bet they never seen a MSB policy handbook nor know what goes into being a msb(broker)

the funny thing is that the large exchanges that will be hit most with bureaucracy understand whats going to happen and guess what. they dont actually mind. its like another standard thing they have to do. the reason they love it. is because they have already formed policies about KYC for fiat, so extending it to crypto transfers is like a click of a button.
they like it because they know how much stress it took to first become an MSB. and so now MSB's they want more hurdles to stop the new competition. yep they dont want new players in their game

but while some idiots that dont know who its really going to affect or too afraid to admit their alliances to admit they will be affected in another way. instead they are just following some script someone else is influencing them to push while pretending its their 'side', their agenda.

in short. if you cant even figure out the real issues. and you are in fear because you just dont know.. either learn quick or find out. dont just keep reposting a campaign you only have 5% direct knowledge of/understanding of
this forum should not be the spam forum of making things go viral just because you read it somewhere that it should go viral.. learn whats its really about, learn who or what it really impacts then decide

its pretty pathetic when people just make posts because they read something and need to repost it everywhere and just pretend they are the main people.
its pathetic that they waste so much time on a nonsense agenda just to distract from the real issues.
and its pathetic how they play the social drama games.

but anyways.
while you send emails basically asking to include "excluding developers, pools' it actually fundamentally changes nothing.. and when you lot realise your changing nothing. you will realise the time you are wasting chest beating and arguing over something while avoiding the real issues

real issues like.
rewording the start as "if a US registered company" instead of "if any person"

that way this bill wont affect businesses that are set up in other countries but servicing americans (like the flaw in the bitlicence but not being worded as such)
it also wont affect individuals/hobbyists

the impact is that the US then does not have jurisdiction of other countries businesses or individuals purely because they service US citizens

dont you get it yet
while pandering to the twitter campaign that only wants an amendment to say "excluding developers and pools" .. becomes meaningless campaign as developers and pools are not custodians in the first place

its like suggesting a fruitless amendment to then make it seem the other details are fine and acceptable. without even understanding the wording at all and just getting angry because someone on twitter told you to get angry because of his misunderstanding of the wording

the wording does not include developers or pools. fact.

but what the wording does allow for is expanding US jurisdiction beyond the land borders of USA. and it even affects the "other network" routers.
heck i even appealed to the "other network" fangirls personal affects, how it would affect them. but they just cried how they should ignore how it would affect them personally. just to continue spouting out the nonsense campaign someone else came up with
its like they are on auto pilot.

so one more time

READ THE ACTUAL WORDING
any person who (for consideration) is responsible for regularly providing any service effectuating transfers of digital assets on behalf of another person

lets break it down
any persons who for consideration
-translation: anyone doing something for a fee

is responsible
-translations: actually responsible EG custodian

 for regularly providing any service
-translation: business

effectuating transfers on behalf of another person
-translation: again custodian moving funds

no where does it describe a software developer

however it does allow for these holes:
LN routes
exchanges
coinjoin/mixers
businesses outside the US border
users outside the US using a ES business
..
but lets see all these people ignore all this and just want 'developers and pools' added as an exclusion..
which if we follow that rabbit hole. it means these script following no-brainers think retailers are suppose to report because they were not put in as an extra in the exclusion list. thus the rabbit hole means anything not excluded must be included
(facepalm)
and thats another thing. software developers dont take responsibility of funds to pass onto others
and yet retailer do take cash from one customer and pass it onto another(supplier/employee)
yet wheres all the out-of the -box thinking about excluding retailers.. oh wait.. its not in the script so dont think about it, right?

atleast take a few days to think about things rather than just wasting them same days just reposting and reciting a script of something you read somewhere while defending it to the death because you read it.

its just a silly time wasting effort to just request the "exclude developers and pools" as they are not going to be impacted. and just as silly to ignore and avoid talking about the actual wording and actual impacts

but hey lets see 20 more posts about how the certain people will just mindlessly follow a campaign word for word without even the subtle concept of independent thought and wanting actual change
7840  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Can politics be pure? on: August 26, 2021, 12:29:05 PM
yes there is the divide of the minds. and this occurs even when things are bipartisan

take covid.
one side(economic) wants the lockdown to end now and inhindsight say it should never have happened
other side(health) wants the lockdown to be and have been more stricter to actually prevent all infection

so there is a double argument of government being to soft and being to hard.

but thats democracy. it goes with the majority.

however being dirty is where government and its representatives and their friends are doing things for their own desires and not the majority citizen population.

this could change by making representatives more accountable. where any major changes go to a vote or need to fulfill the mission statement/pledge the representatives got elected by

EG trumps "wall" has many negative viewpoints of disadvantages.. but it was part of his pledge and people voted him in due to it. so its not 'dirty'

what would be dirty is if he was syphoning off profits for his and his buddies personal gain rather than finding the best quality/least cost method of building a wall

things like accountants and regulators should be looking more towards the politicians and less at the citizens just trying to get by on minimum wage. that alone can make politics less dirty
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