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8241  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US health care mandate (Obamacare) on: July 03, 2012, 08:07:03 PM
One of the "problems" I see with th healthcare debate is about the private sectors role. Many tout a free market approach and want the government to stay out of this market. This position assumes that there is a profitable market in the first place.
Why would there be profit in caring for the sick and poor? I don't think there is. Like education, these things cost money and come with no guarantee of payoff.  Sure, if you limit yourself to only rich patients you will make money. Sick people will give anything to not die. But a poor person who needs expensive surgery or drugs will never pay you back. A pure free market would likely see the majority of us die penny-less, having only received a tiny percent of needed treatment before running out of cash. Is that what we want? Maybe we do. But know that you are one illness away from impoverishing your family.
Could anyone explain how for profit businesses are going to give poor sick people money at a profit, cause I don't see how?

The theory is that the poor can depend on charity. 
whew, well it will all work out then. We will only need the majority of about 2.2 trillion.  Oh, that's per year.
Can I get mine upfront? I may only need less than $1mil. Please give me the first million now and I will get back to the charity if I need more. TY! Grin

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Annual+healthcare+cost+in+US
8242  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stolen Valor Act Struck Down as Unconstitutional on: July 03, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
No one is stealing anyones valor by bullshitting about their military service. It is a bad thing to do, but come on, it happens. I have even seen real special forces heros stretch the truth about stuff that happened earlier that day.

I'm sure in a few years we will hear from all the guys who sat behind the wire in AFG and IRQ. About their big shootout with Osama.  Smiley
8243  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Six Strikes" Starts this Weekend on: July 03, 2012, 07:54:15 PM
Pirate some crappy song........ Use tax money to fight piracy.......
Raise bar by using torrents...... More tax money to use high tech equipment to catch pirates.......
Raise bar by using TOR...... More tax money to hire countless spies.....
Raise bar by using stego torrents on TOR........ Raise more tax money....

Why does our country prioritize doing Sony's job while allowing criminals on Wall St. to steal billions?

8244  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US health care mandate (Obamacare) on: July 03, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
One of the "problems" I see with th healthcare debate is about the private sectors role. Many tout a free market approach and want the government to stay out of this market. This position assumes that there is a profitable market in the first place.
Why would there be profit in caring for the sick and poor? I don't think there is. Like education, these things cost money and come with no guarantee of payoff.  Sure, if you limit yourself to only rich patients you will make money. Sick people will give anything to not die. But a poor person who needs expensive surgery or drugs will never pay you back. A pure free market would likely see the majority of us die penny-less, having only received a tiny percent of needed treatment before running out of cash. Is that what we want? Maybe we do. But know that you are one illness away from impoverishing your family.
Could anyone explain how for profit businesses are going to give poor sick people money at a profit, cause I don't see how?
8245  Other / Off-topic / Re: Massive government cover-up hides watery truth on: July 03, 2012, 03:06:33 PM
BBC backs lies from the sinister NOAA: "No evidence of mermaids, says US government"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18692830

I concur! I find it quite odd that not a more proper sequel of Splash was ever produced by the studios. What the fuck are they hiding?
Tom hanks was just getting too close to the truth!

8246  Other / Off-topic / Massive government cover-up hides watery truth on: July 03, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
BBC backs lies from the sinister NOAA: "No evidence of mermaids, says US government"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18692830
8247  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: July 02, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
8248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Venezuela and Bitcoin. on: July 02, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
Gracias por desarrollar este negocio. Creo que hay un gran crecimiento en América Latina!  Smiley
8249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 6.66 Mark of the Beast!! ZOMG!!! on: July 02, 2012, 05:52:33 PM
ridgemont!

I thought you were gone for good.

I guess that's what you and many will be saying when Jesus comes back too.

I think my actual response will be more along the lines of HOLLY SHIT IT'S JESUS! (or maybe that dude from zztop)

I'll be more fascinated with Jesus' response to YOU calling him shit. Hopefully it will end up with you being subjected to eternal hell fire per decision of the one true Holy Lord, Jesus Christ. Words cannot express how much I hope for this.
Ahh, Christianity. Love from a god who cares so much for us that if you don't love him back he will put you in hell forever.
8250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: July 02, 2012, 05:48:35 PM
My unscientific gut feeling is that if we break $6.8 we keep going to $7.   Smiley
8251  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post a lie about the person above you! on: July 02, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
^Lies through his teeth.
8252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 6.66 Mark of the Beast!! ZOMG!!! on: June 29, 2012, 07:17:41 PM
I have heard that one theory about the "666" relates to money. Apparently there was a Roman coin with the number on it. Because the Romans were hated by some at the time, the association with evil started.

Nice little theory. Unfortunately it's biased and not accurate at all just like most things atheists pull out of the air. However, you can and will believe whatever you want. and while you do that, revelations are being fulfilled.
Uhh, ok. I said I heard that somewhere. I was not alive in Roman times, so not sure. As far as what athiests "pull out of thin air", You honestly think those cartoons for adults in the bible are anything but fantastical musings from the bronze age? Noah, the garden of Eden? Oh please.  Roll Eyes
8253  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Questions about US health care on: June 29, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Hi,

I was reading about US health care system, and I want to be sure to understand it well. I have a few questions:

-Basically, you pay for health care. If you go see the doctor, you pay the bill, if you have an operation, you pay the bill like any other normal bill from any other service, correct?
Without insurance, that is basically it.  If you show up in the emergency room you will still be treated. Later a big bill will come to your home.
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-Since health care cost can be insane, you have insurance companies, who offer to pay the bill in exchange of a premium. I suppose they are like any other insurance companies(like home insurance, car insurance or life insurance). It seems they offer a good deal for big business, so it's really valuable to get a job with health care. Are all these insurances companies are for-profit organization? Is there is some sort of cooperative insurance or government insurance you can buy? Or the market is completely dominated by for-profit insurance companies?
There may be some not-for-profit insurers, but by far most are highly profitable companies. My first day as a paramedic my partner explained it this way. "Insurance companies do not make their money by writing checks, and they have a lot of money. It's all about not writing you a check."
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-Who owns the hospitals? Are they owned by the government? Or are they private property of for-profit organization? Do you have any "community" hospital or hospital owned by a cooperative?

Giant parent companies who are totally beholden to their wealthy investors. When you get sick, they get paid. If you cant pay.... Bye.
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-Can you buy stock of health insurance companies? Is there an open market for that, or they are only privately-owned companies? Is is the same thing about hospital(in the case that they are for-profit organization)?
Some may be publicly traded, but generally they don't want your investment money. They will hold out for the money you will give them when you are sick. Much more profitable that way.
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I think it could be a wonderful market for speculation, but I want to be sure to understand how it works.

Thanks!

8254  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [Beta Testing] BitcoinWireless.com-Buy wireless time from over 300 carriers on: June 29, 2012, 06:54:22 PM
Can this also be used to purchase a sim card and data from the wireless providers? This can be really useful for someone who is traveling internationally and does not wish to pay usurious roaming fees.

Hmm, interesting thought.

Right now, itll just be airtime but maybe we can expand it into SIM cards as well.

I have a connection, Ill get in touch with him tomorrow.

 Shocked  Madre de Dio !! I was planning on being a customer anyway, but this would be an H-bomb. I am old enough to remember needing an "international phone". How awesome would it be to just swap out SIM cards.
8255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 6.66 Mark of the Beast!! ZOMG!!! on: June 29, 2012, 06:49:04 PM
I have heard that one theory about the "666" relates to money. Apparently there was a Roman coin with the number on it. Because the Romans were hated by some at the time, the association with evil started.
8256  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: USD to BTC on: June 29, 2012, 06:42:05 PM
Hey guys,

   I was wondering what's the best/easiest way to convert USD to BTC?

mtgox.com + bitinstant.com

+1 That is the easiest way to go. You might also check btcnearme.com  There you can find people to meet in real life for trade.
8257  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: PayPal => Bitcoin on: June 29, 2012, 06:39:06 PM
@Oxin That could work well also. But you may have to send first, so limit yourself to trading directly with trusted members. And welcome! Smiley
8258  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-06-29 forbes.com - Wikipedia's lame excuse for not accepting BTC on: June 29, 2012, 06:33:52 PM
Hunger changes everything. Wiki is hurting for cash, I will only donate in bitcoin. Time is not on their side.
8259  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcointrip on: June 29, 2012, 06:29:40 PM
I thought it was about spending bitcoins while tripping on acid.

Me too Smiley

Huzzah! I'm not insane!
This does not mean you are sane. He could also be insane. Just sayin. Smiley
8260  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: PayPal => Bitcoin on: June 29, 2012, 06:20:34 PM
Your best bet is to forget about PayPal. If you are ripped off you will likely be on your own. If you are in the US, Russia, or Brazil, I highly recommend using bitinstant.com for your first purchases. It has fees, but it could not be easier.
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