Okay!
New account page is LIVE. Big difference!
I will post some screenshots shortly.
Adding a new game next week. Pick Six!
Josh
That's good to hear. I plan to test your site soon now that everything looks functional. Do you have any plans to organize a review campaign for forum members?
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I question how some whale could use their influence over the BTC price to increase their odds of winning.
I think the OP forgot to update the ANN post, but you can read it in his second post in this thread. l0tt0.com now applies provably fair gaming and no longer depends on Bitcoin's USD price. |
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One of the main reasons I changed my opinion because you wrote that you are removing support for your own flag.
With all due respect, I never said that. Not like that. I said "if". I don't mind if you withdraw support or oppose my flag. It is your right. |
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Can anyone help me report PST.NET website?
You should probably start with your local police; chances are they've got a specialized cybercrime unit. So, get the lowdown through official channels. Then, there's econsumer.gov - they're like the international watchdogs of online scams. And if you're a U.S. citizen, don't forget about ic3.gov, which is run by the FBI. Make sure to provide all the information you have about the person involved, the more details, the better chance they have of taking appropriate action. |
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What do you suggest I read? I do believe I understand how the Flag system works, and that's why I explained why I think my Flag is still valid. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the points I've made.
Sure we can, but I think this topics is slowly turning into signature spam fest. I was following events from start and I heard some members telling me I didnt read what you wrote  You said that you received DAI instead by manager, but one member offered direct conversion to BTC, and you probably received more than you sent, because Bitcoin price dropped.Come on dude, really? I've got mad respect for you and all, but it kinda feels like you're not even checking out my comments when you fire back. I'm pretty sure I explained every detail, so I don't know where you got the idea that I could have received more because Bitcoin price dropped?
- My BTC was exchanged for an altcoin without my consent and at a less favorable rate.
I usually don't engage outside of the collectibles section, but just wanted to clarify this point: Your BTC was not exchanged for an altcoin, it is still locked in the multi-sig BTC wallet. You received the altcoin because this is what was available for payouts that was not locked in a multi-sig wallet Good thing the altcoin wallet was not multi-sig, as then there would have been zero payouts Thank you Totally get it. You did your part without a hitch as far as I'm concerned. I was just breaking down the situation from my point of view.
Here's a valid loophole: given that whirlwind's Tor site is still operational in some way, decodex could deposit another 0.001 BTC (the minimum required for mixing) and share the evidence here. This way, the Type-3 Flag becomes valid again, aligning with all the relevant points. That's not a loophole, it's throwing money away. LOL! No, I'm not going to do that. |
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Maybe you just didn't pick the right words, but that kinda sounded like a threat.
Threat?! Better read and understand better how flags work. What do you suggest I read? I do believe I understand how the Flag system works, and that's why I explained why I think my Flag is still valid. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the points I've made. I tagged them to bring their attention and they can make their own decision what to do.
I am not tagging anyone for virtual assassination, and you said that you agree for removing flag support:
Alright, there was a misunderstanding there. When you mentioned "tagging," I assumed you meant the tags like neutral or negative in trust feedback. My bad for that confusion. So you want to remove support for your own flag, but you dont like if I and other members do the same.
No, that's not what I said. I'll drop the flag if I figure out that most people are in favor of it, or if someone manages to convince me that my flag isn't valid. |
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I am tagging everyone who is still supporting old decodx flag.
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Um.. What? Why? Did you read my previous comment? Maybe you just didn't pick the right words, but that kinda sounded like a threat. |
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@decodx: you should withdraw your Flag: I can also confirm that I received the full amount of my deposit to WhirlWind. I've removed my Support and Opposed your Flag. Anyone who Supported the Flag should consider doing the same. This is why: Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed. The current Type 3 Flag claims this: decodx alleges: whirlwindmoney violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. whirlwindmoney did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around August 2023. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance. As far as I can see, the bold part is no longer correct, which means the Flag should no longer be Supported. Hmm... I think this is an interesting precedent. Has there ever been situations like this? Technically speaking, I think my Flag is still valid. Here's why: I made a deposit of 0.004 BTC with the aim of coin mixing, and I expected the same amount of BTC (minus fees) as stated in the contract (Whirlwind official ANN and Whirlwind.money FAQ). On August 14, 2023, the value of 1 BTC was around $29,500. This makes the equivalent of my deposit about $117.50. What eventually happened is that on August 18th and 20th, I received a total of 104 DAI from the escrow, which is equivalent to $104.00. So, as I see it, Whirlwind still violated a written contract, resulting in damages, specifically because: - My BTC was exchanged for an altcoin without my consent and at a less favorable rate.
- My coins weren't mixed as expected using their service.
- My anonymity was compromised because I was forced to share private information with third parties.
- I had to put in extra effort and time (sending multiple inquiries to their customer support, PMs, making my case public, contacting the escrow custodian, gathering evidence, etc.) to claim my compensation rights.
Now, I did mention before that I received the full amount of my deposit (although technically not accurate), but that wasn't thanks to Whirlwind but rather due to individuals outside of my initial contract with Whirlwind. Specifically, minerjones and Hhampuz, who facilitated the release of escrow funds, and Ratimov, who converted DAI to BTC without a fee. In any case, I agree to remove my Flag if you guys say it's the right thing to do. I just wanted to note that I personally believe the Flag is still valid. However, I'm not a lawyer, so I admit that my opinion isn't worth much!  |
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Do you know of anyone who has actually used their anonymity mining service though? Because to me at least, it looks like their advertisements of the alternate mining campaign fell flat in Bitcointalk, so it is a bit reassuring to know that people here are not candidly throwing money at silly services like investors and crypto meme "traders".
Everyone who took part in their signature campaign got paid through notes on the WW platform. Those who didn't transfer BTC to their personal wallets right away ended up using their anonymity mining service indirectly, earning interest in the process. As far as I know, a few users managed to stack up several thousand dollars' worth of notes, but not much beyond that. |
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Up. I haven’t received any messages up until now  Why am I not surprised? I believe your entire approach to this is wrong , and you're simply wasting your time. My guess is that casino owners won't bother contacting you since they have more pressing matters. If you genuinely believe you've come up with a valuable idea that could be beneficial for casino operators, the responsibility lies with you to demonstrate its worth first. Only then should you seek a buyer or an employer who might be interested in hiring you. |
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So, none of your so-called red flags were actually unique to Whirlwind because they could just as well apply to any other mixing service (or any other crypto-related service, for that matter, apart from the anonymity mining campaign, which, as you yourself mentioned, came later)? And you weren't really any smarter than the rest of us in that regard? But let's break down some of your inputs one by one: I applied for the signature campaign when WW was first released - not enough research or usage to conclude if it was a scam or not at this point. You applied for their campaigns four times, by my count. The last time was over a month from the start of the campaign. You didn't have enough time for your research? During the review campaign I put in my cons that WW offered a basic level of privacy, explaining further that it was the equivalent to a hot wallet, pooling all coins together. WW gave some responses which I didn't believe were entirely satisfactory for me to use the service, but not worth posting much more about UNLESS someone wanted to continue the discussion, which no one did. Fair enough, I'll accept that. However, as they pointed out themselves, this could easily be attributed to the fact that they were a very young service back then. I have no basis for comparison with other mixers in this regard. Anonymity mining campaign (I did not voice anything here because anyone could and should have. I did not have time.to write a report and deal with responses to posting about this red flag) - this was the most major red flag. You said it yourself – this feature was added later, and we can't be sure if it was part of their initial plan. There were no signs of it, afaik. Personally, I'm not into the idea of handing over my coins to others for a small interest, so I didn't pay much attention to it. But this isn't new. Some other services have been providing similar offerings for quite some time. The creator was a newbie (anyone could have posted this red flag, I definitely didn't have to) From what I know, throughout Bitcoin's history, the vast majority of service providers have typically been forum newbies. Furthermore, I would expect this from a bitcoin mixer service provider, given the sensitive nature of the work they do. The service took custody for extended periods (again, everyone knew this, I didn't need to point it out) Are you referring to the notes or the anonymity mining campaign? Regarding the notes, theoretically, everyone could withdraw funds at any time. It's no different than any other service provider, and not much different from ChipMikser. It came right after Chipmixer (I elaborated in this IN the WW thread itself and even explained why I said it) I'm not sure about that. Their website and forum account existed before ChipMixer's end, so unless they had inside information, we can't really say they came after ChipMixer. Not decentralized. Centralized, and custodial. Everyone already knew that anyway and it is a norm (kind of). Exactly. It's kind of the usual practice. So, it can't really be considered a red flag. Can we even find an example of a decentralized Bitcoin mixing service? |
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For sure, the first point for a casino should be capital, the loss of which will not drive the owner crazy. They say that newbies are usually lucky in the casino; I would like to check this conclusion, but I'm not sure that this rule works consistently. Can someone confirm that playing for the first time is very often lucky? And also, the whole fate of addiction to gambling depends on the first experience.
Oh, come on, that's just a scheme cooked up by casino operators to lure in unsuspecting "hopeful risk-takers"! Sure, sometimes beginners might get lucky, but that whole idea of beginners being consistently lucky is probably just a bit of marketing magic. I mean, I've been there too – a newbie in the gambling world. But honestly, looking back, I can't say I was popping champagne with every spin of the roulette wheel.  |
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I saw red flags - nothing was conclusive until they scammed. Major red flag was anonymity mining campaign, which was well after my application to their signature campaign.
What red flags are you referring to? Where did you talk about these issues before they went completely dark? I read your review and didn't catch any mention of red flags or major issues with their service. And what's more, you even stated that you didn't find any flaws in their app: One thing I will say is that after the most recent update, I have found zero flaws in the app. I do however have some suggestions which I will include in the review!
It's easy to act like a general once the battle's already done. If you were aware of any reasons for concern, why didn't you mention them earlier? So, you either weren't truthful in your review, or you're being untruthful now. WW was definitely not worth being endorsed. Signature campaigns are not endorsing though. It's a transaction, advertising space. Publishers for ad networks are not endorsing services provided by the ad network, neither are users in signature campaigns.
So, why did you endorse them? Besides a few suggestions to "improve" their mixing process, you didn't really mention anything negative about them in your review. You even expressed gratitude for the opportunity and wished them success in their endeavours: Thank you Hhampuz for managing this campaign and thank you whirlwindmoney for the opportunity. I wish the whirlwind app the very best in its endeavor and I hope that my review helped in at least some way!
And now you claim there were red flags all along? Or was this all just a show because you were afraid you wouldn't get paid for your review? |
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With above details i request you ,kindly remove my negative trust from my account because I'm not at fault.
Why are you telling me tales? Look at the example I gave you. The post June.06.2022 was written on April 6, your post was written on April 13. It's in the same thread. So who stole from whom? The posts have completely different retweet links and Facebook links. Do you want a red tag for lying? light_warrior, I think he is right about this. His post came a few hours earlier than that of "June.06.2022". I don't see much proof that they're alt accounts; it seems more probable that "June.06.2022" is just copying PoA posts from others. |
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Players can join pools to predict whether the BTC price will go up or down, using Polygon (MATIC) as their investment. Instant payouts go directly into players' digital wallets, eliminating the need for withdrawals or compliance.
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So, your platform isn't related to Bitcoin gambling at all? In that case, why not move this thread to the appropriate section, as quite a few members have already suggested? This section is specifically meant for discussions about Bitcoin-related gambling topics. |
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By the way, I also have never heard of this site. Why deposit so much money at a relatively unknown gambling site is always beyond my understanding. I wouldn't take that risk. Those sites have 0 reputation and even making this case public will not really be interesting for them.
That's a mystery to me too AHOYBRAUSE: we keep seeing cases like that and we keep asking ourselves "why!?". There are so many tested platforms, why would anybody deposit such amounts at an unknown one with zero reputation? I can't speak for the OP, but I can share from my own experience. When I first started gambling, I was completely clueless. I had no idea which platforms were trustworthy or reputable, and I was pretty lost when it came to finding them. In the early days, I experimented with different online casinos. Luckily, back then, strict KYC verification wasn't a big thing, so I didn't have to share my real personal info. I basically judged casinos based on my own experience. Needless to say, my experiences weren't always rosy. It wasn't until later that I stumbled upon this forum and other reputable casino review sites like BTCGOSU and the like. So, I don't really feel like it's fair to pass judgment on the OP for going with a casino that isn't popular here. Perhaps the casino has some popularity within his local community or social circle. Maybe he stumbled upon an ad or a special promo offer that caught his attention. Or maybe he had some other valid reason for picking that casino. However, that doesn't give the casino a free pass to pull a scam on players. |
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Is it really good luck for you?
Which basic technique to use?
Casinos aren't built to help you make money! Sure, you can play for entertainment, and sometimes luck might even grant you a win. But overall, don't anticipate consistent and frequent wins. If everyone kept winning, casinos wouldn't be profitable for their owners. Just something to think about and keep in mind that gambling is about having fun, not relying on it for your paycheck. |
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I can't recall all the exact details of my first experience with Bitcoin. It wasn't too far back, but I was trying a lot of new things, mainly online trading, back then. The only vivid memory is feeling super anxious while setting up my first electrum wallet and making my first transaction. I stared at the wallet in disbelief for a good chunk of time as I waited for the coins to reach their destination. Fast forward years later, I still cross-check every address when I make transactions, even though I'm doing them almost daily. I suppose it's a good habit, as it's helped me avoid accidentally sending coins to the wrong address.
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I also noticed that they inserted rule 2.1 into their Terms of Service (Russian translation) today. This particular item wasn't there yesterday. Have you considered bringing your case to their licensor and filing a formal complaint? Also, since it seems like you're in the right here, why not explore third-party mediation? In my experience, the following are reputable mediators: https://thepogg.com/https://www.casinomeister.com/https://casino.guru/https://www.askgamblers.com/Even if they choose not to respond to any of the mediators listed above, it could still negatively impact their reputation on those platforms. ps. I edited your quote to show the screenshots. |
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@OP have you asked them when they added that rules? because if they added that months after the war between Ukraine and Russia, I would have assumed at this points that they would have a translated version of that rules in Russian and other languages. would you mind posting screenshots of your conversation with their support. also, I'd suggest to refrain from spamming the same thing on their ANN thread, you could get banned from doing it. really strange case here but ím wondering how OP were able to get such high amount, i got limited after winning 800 Dollar  not everyone gets limited after winning several hundred dollars. vave.com didn't reply to me when they added the item about Russian players. I noticed that the casino staff confirmed in one of the emails that the current terms and conditions had been newly implemented on their website by the casino management. However, they avoided addressing whether these conditions were in place before you registered on the website or not. To me, this strongly suggests the casino's questionable behavior, indicating their main goal was to confiscate your funds as soon as your balance turned positive. Also, if the casino actually wants to stick to their own rules, they should give you a full refund instead of just turning down the winning bets while taking the losing ones. |
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As you're still new to the forum and can't upload pictures yet, I'd be happy to re-share your screenshots in a more user-friendly format. |
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