Yes. I mentioned the unrest here, together with the scam accusations starting to brew.
If that didn't persuade them to do something, then indeed we can talk about exit scam here. Someone who intends to continue business here would do everything in his power to sort the issues asap and not leave it like this. I messaged them both through email and PM (those were the only ways I could reach out). However, they ignored all of my attempts at contact. Following that, I started this topic as a heads-up for the community and patiently waited for their reply. It was only when they didn't come through with the update they promised while talking to Hhampuz, and after another day had gone by, that I decided to create a flag and give them a negative tag. So yeah, they had plenty of time to say something, especially since they were chatting with the campaign manager in the meantime.
Can someone confirm what "Anonymity set, 572user deposits" means?
Does this mean that currently, 572 users (addresses) have a deposit there? As far as I can see, the last deposit was 4 days ago, does that mean that nobody has used this mixer since then?
That last deposit from four days ago was mine (unfortunately), and indeed, the counter increased by one after that. I am deposit number 572. |
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It's just a dream and doesn't really affect our everyday choices. Loads of people have tried to read all sorts of stuff into dreams, but none of them are true. Dreams are just our brain doing its thing while we sleep. Sometimes it's just tossing around random thoughts, feelings, and memories that we picked up while awake. They don't hold deep significance or foresee the future.
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So if I want to fill in my profile data, where is the submit/save button?
Some forms can be submitted without the need for the submit button. This has become a common UI design trend in modern web and mobile applications. Fill in some details in the form, then navigate away from it. Then, return to the profile to see if the entered information has been saved. |
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Alright, I think I've waited long enough. It's been more than 56 hours since I put in the withdrawal request and over 48 hours since I emailed their support. No response yet. I'm going to take action and initiate a Type 3 flag on the whirlwindmoney account.
<...> Type 3 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3197Decodx is the last known person to make a deposit. I think this is his transaction. It matches the date. That's right, those are my coins. I posted all the evidence in my thread. |
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I'm really open to hearing your thoughts on what my next move should be. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Your opinions are much appreciated! Is it too late to try this? My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds. If you can prove your money disappeared, you can create a type 3 Flag. And file a claim: minerjones still has $40k in escrow. I'm curious to see what conditions will have to be fullfilled. Alright, I think I've waited long enough. It's been more than 56 hours since I put in the withdrawal request and over 48 hours since I emailed their support. No response yet. I'm going to take action and initiate a Type 3 flag on the whirlwindmoney account. Here's all the evidence I've compiled: Whirlwind note public address: wwLckQCopiVAVuENvCP2M8anGiGJRyitwFK Deposit LoG: <SIGNED MESSAGE>We have generated the deposit address bc1q37jt7syamkvflp5mdkuqwvfgz8j8s59f7n5emh at Mon Aug 14 2023 07:16:50 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) where the minimum deposit is 0.001. You can deposit from Mon Aug 14 2023 07:16:50 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) until Tue Aug 15 2023 07:16:50 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time). Our fee is 0% and 0 BTC per withdraw address. Your Public Address is wwLckQCopiVAVuENvCP2M8anGiGJRyitwFK and you will use the private key (note) of this address which you must have saved to sign withdraw messages in the future. This message was signed using the letter signing address which can be found on our website or at /verification/letter_signing_address on the system's API.</SIGNED MESSAGE>
<SIGNING ADDRESS>1JmCabMgyVZ8zmgaV5JGH7BXe48buVaUUd</SIGNING ADDRESS>
<SIGNATURE>ILeN2rlQFW1GK4AQmGUhINj/ZbflbOFLrB35h7beRcZ7C2jUXjaKvqpMcIFRWMrxRLYm1JLfnzOK5eP8dUbhZFE=</SIGNATURE>
Transaction for my deposit: https://mempool.space/tx/c61edd3d7b828ec0f0fe23432597c42139564ec72534dc09e551f735cb434033Withdrawal Log: <SIGNED MESSAGE>You used credit from your public Public Address wwLckQCopiVAVuENvCP2M8anGiGJRyitwFK on Mon Aug 14 2023 12:15:34 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time). The withdraw address(es) are the following: 1 - bc1qlgawn2pngyf89cpmy24qex7jlj548u6fwm6uzc which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 2 - bc1qr9rrl034k6undwf09fh377grw7vtka5wpy4w5f which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 3 - bc1q3unhr4da52lg8ddg86gmmleazgkws2zpl6w4zs which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 4 - bc1qc3ssucykfsqfzaggsqeg5u7jkecp98re0wh08w which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; This message was signed using the letter signing address which can be found on our website or at /verification/letter_signing_address on the system's API.</SIGNED MESSAGE>
<SIGNING ADDRESS>1JmCabMgyVZ8zmgaV5JGH7BXe48buVaUUd</SIGNING ADDRESS>
<SIGNATURE>H4hJ6/jiU6BKyzqzIdPX4aItpMLJYL/kS+MjumOqThbSL8Z3nCvZWjOcjPS09fy3fEiG6GWPWNGsAC8/CVAuRFw=</SIGNATURE> Destination address balances (you can check on the blockchain explorer that there were no incoming transactions): 1 -  2 -  3 -  4 -  @minerjones, please let me know if there is anything else I should provide to claim the funds from escrow.
[edit] Type 3 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3197 |
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So right now you have no balance is showing on your note but you did not receive the coin too?
That's right. I created a note, deposited funds, and then requested a withdrawal to different addresses. Whirlwind executed all these steps without any apparent issues, and now my note's balance displays 0 BTC. However, the coins never actually arrived in my wallet. |
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I am trying to withdraw funds for several weeks. But when I try to open the site it shows to me like the mentioned images. I think it is happening only to me as I could not find out any post like this.
What is the solution of it?
The clearnet domain of the website has been down for around 2-3 weeks now. The .onion version is still functional from my end. Which version did you try to access? Does not work for me, say's can't be reached. I'll wait for official announcement.
Let's hope for fast reply, bros
I assume you know you need a Tor browser for .onion sites? You cannot access them using a "normal" browser. |
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What was the number when they started their service with this address?
I think it's hard to say in exact numbers. This thread was started on March 28th, but I doubt they had any real clients right from the beginning, unless they were promoting their service through other channels. So, I presume most of the transactions during that period involved their own funds. As of the start of April, the address had accumulated a total of around 3BTC. https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r |
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Can someone post the 2 of 3 address from WWM? I don't want to send some test btc and find it myself.
I believe this is the one: 12.8 BTC is still sitting there... I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.  |
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It hurts to get your funds stock somewhere because of the inconvenience it might have caused you as a result of not getting the money when needed. But there is nothing that could really be done right now rather than just waiting for a positive response from them, as they assured Hhampu to get things working again in the next few hours, which is near. I will just have to advise you to be patient and wait a little longer if withdrawal is not processed. At least the team should be able to come in and clear the air with a detailed explanation of the matter at hand if it's something different from just being far from the authorization access.
Thank you. I hope you're right. I've got my note's public address, the Letter of Guarantee, the TXID for my deposit, and I can even sign the address I used to deposit if they want. Of course, I don't know how to prove that I didn't get anything back since they haven't made any transaction from their end.
Hopefully you don’t have to do that, but it’s quite trivial. You said have a signed LoG saying you withdrew X BTC to the address Y, all you have to do is post the note and everyone can see through a block explorer that your address hasn’t received the coins. Yes, you're right. Luckily, I've saved both LoGs - one for my deposit and another for my withdrawal. decodx, In your case, I would be patient for a while longer, considering the last communication between the campaign manager and the Whirlwind representative. Take into account the possible time difference, so accept a maximum waiting time.
Still, all that they told Hhampuz didn't happen. I didn't see any variation on their exchange wallet, as no deposit was processed, nor any post here on the forum. They didn’t answer my email, or process any mining reward payments (those are totally off chain). Given the amount of scrutiny they are facing, not ideal. Honestly, I was a bit surprised when I saw that Hhampuz decided to resume the signature campaign and suggested that everyone can put their signatures back up. This is despite the fact that the Whirlwind service is still non-functional, and there's a risk that using the mixing service could result in money being stuck on the platform. But of course, I don't really know who he's talking to or what he's been told to assure him that everything will be fine. I just want to point out that I haven't received any response from them so far, and I find it odd that they're communicating with the campaign manager while ignoring their customers. <...>
This Letter of Guarantee is useless I think if you are talking about the Letter when you deposited.
BitcoinGirl.Club I completely agree with both of your points. Regarding their withdrawal method, it seems like they wanted to emulate ChipMixer, although it seems to me that CM did it slightly better. You are also right about the Letter of Guarantee. Luckily I have both, but it wouldn't have been like that if I hadn't requested a withdrawal and the balance on my note disappeared. |
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Bitcoin is a universal system, we need to find another word for 100 sat  What's wrong with µBTC or micro BTC? It's a part of the universal SI system. Also, it's not accurate to say that in the SI system everything is just a multiple of 1,000, since we also have deka and hecto, as well as deci and centi. So, we can refer to 100 satoshis as 1 hectosat. |
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decodx, In your case, I would be patient for a while longer, considering the last communication between the campaign manager and the Whirlwind representative. Take into account the possible time difference, so accept a maximum waiting time. You certainly have every right to ask for your money, it's somehow especially bad when you lose money that you entrusted to someone. Regardless of whether it is $100 or $5000 or even more.
I didn't use their service after the introduction of anonymity mining, but are there any traces that you can use to prove the last unsuccessful withdrawal? In case of a refund from a third escrow party.
Thanks. I didn't use their "anonymity mining" feature either. All I wanted was to mix some coins that I use to pay for certain services, in order to enhance my privacy, just like I've done in the past. I've got all the evidence, and I sent it to them privately because I didn't want to put it out in the open just yet. I've got my note's public address, the Letter of Guarantee, the TXID for my deposit, and I can even sign the address I used to deposit if they want. Of course, I don't know how to prove that I didn't get anything back since they haven't made any transaction from their end. |
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Today, I repeat, today despite the fact that the "noise" is a couple of days old; I have made two withdrawals and without trouble.
Now clicking on the withdrawal button, it only implies that..."I will wait".
Then, I am going to leave this post as temporary to verify when my withdrawal is in my wallet, that for additional reference purposes we can use deposit number 572 that according to W.M was made yesterday , and 571 3 days ago.
I'm sorry, but your message is a bit confusing to me. Are you saying you deposited BTC into Whirlwind today, or did you request a withdrawal from a note you had previously funded? And did you manage to get the withdrawal into your wallet? Unfortunately, things haven't moved forward with my whirlwind situation. My money is still stuck with them. And it's hard for me to believe that I'm the only one facing this issue. This radio silence from their end is seriously getting on my nerves... A simple "we're working on it" would mean a lot in a situation like this. |
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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has offered their support here. I appreciate it. Unfortunately, there hasn't been any progress on my whirlwind case. My money is still stuck with them, and the available balance on my private note displays: 0 BTC, without any explanation provided whatsoever. I get that a hundred bucks or so might not be a big deal to a bunch of folks here, but it's a big deal to me. It's not gonna break the bank, but hey, it's still my money we're talking about!
I'm really open to hearing your thoughts on what my next move should be. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Your opinions are much appreciated!
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I am glad that I brought this up and raised awareness about this topic. Well, as a joke but also for the sake of the argument, it was I and fillippone the ones which raised awareness about this topic You came later to confirm the problem is even bigger You all did a good job bringing this up. But unfortunately, I didn't think to check this thread before depositing my funds, so it didn't help me personally. I've put the campaign on hold for the time being, but I remain hopeful that this is due to something other than malicious intent.
I think it's a good decision considering everything. To help this issue gets more attention, I started a topic on the appropriate board. That's where we can continue sharing info about what's going on. Hopefully, it'll stop someone else from making the same mistake I did. [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed |
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What happened: Earlier today, I put in a deposit on the Whirlwind.money mixing service. After the transaction got the required number of confirmations, I requested for a withdrawal from my note to a wallet address with a 0-hour delay. However, it's been 10 hours now, and the transaction hasn't been processed or shown up on the blockchain. There wasn't any warning or indication of the service being down, and I just realized later that there were issues. It turns out other members were also in the same boat, waiting for their money. Profile Link: whirlwindmoney[edit] Type 3 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3197Reference Link: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥Website Link: https://whirlwind.money/Amount Claimed: 0.004 BTC Payment Method: bitcoin Proof of Payment: here's all the evidenceAdditional Notes: Based on information shared by some members in the ANN thread, it appears that whirlwind hasn't been handling any withdrawals since August 9th (which is almost 5 full days as of the time of writing). Please update us on this.
This sounds extremely weird. You do still see the satoshi's in your note, don't you?
No, the Note balance has updatet but there has been no transaction so far. Something seems stuck. Thank you for that information! As I made my withdrawal on the 11th, I guess that something is stuck :/ I made a withdrawal of 0.025 BTC yesterday afternoon (like you with 0 hours delay) and so far nothing. Did you get the money, or email reply yet?
And there are a few other issues as well. LoyceV summarized it nicely: So, to summarize (and correct me if I got anything wrong): - The website isn't profitable (yet)
- Deposits are working
- The website claims to pay a very high 12% APR on deposits
- The daily awards aren't always being added
- Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago
- The signature campaign payments happen off-chain and thus can't be withdrawn now
- User whirlwindmoney hasn't been here for more than a month
- Support doesn't respond to inquiries
No matter what the reason is, this looks bad. This isn't a scam accusation (at least not yet), but a heads-up for the community. Taking everything into account, I believe it's in everyone's best interest to hold off on using the service for the time being. It would be wise to wait until we get some feedback from their representatives and the service gets back on track. I'll keep this thread updated as the situation progresses.
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Keeping that aside for a moment, we do not know if the problem is a withdrawal issue is down to signature campaign participants trying to withdraw funds or whether clients using the website for mixing are sending funds but are getting nothing back. There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only. It still would not make it right or acceptable of-course but it would narrow the problem.
I'm a customer. I made a small deposit this morning and still haven't received anything back (with 0 hours delay on withdrawal).  I made the rookie mistake of not checking this thread earlier. I assumed everything was fine with the service. Maybe it's worth considering a temporary pause on the signature campaign and taking down all the signatures until things get sorted. If things work out, no harm done, but just in case they might pull an exit scam, it's better to stop the promotion sooner rather than later. |
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I don't believe in the probable systems in demo accounts and I see them as plots from both casinos and exchanges that offer user demo mode as an academy, are all doing so just to gain the interest, intention and participation of users, that is why it always easier to win a demo game compared to real games and even in trading also.
Demo account for trading is quite different from this, I believe. In a trading demo account, all you have are simulated funds to test your strategies and practice your skills. The market mirrors that of a real trading account, so there's no manipulation involved. On the other hand, when it comes to slot games, demo accounts work as a marketing tool to lure players in. Hence, the results are tweaked to create the illusion of easier wins. Some providers openly mention this in the description, while others don't. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463162.msg62692003#msg62692003need help
Hello room, I ve been having issues with my bitcoin bought from bitcoin.com and sent to my wallet it has been unconfirmed for 6 days now. Please can anyone help out on what can be done?
sry im new in paying with btc
If you bought BTC on Bitcoin.com then it should already be in your wallet. Where did you try to send it afterward? Since you mentioned the transaction is still unconfirmed, you should have the transaction ID (txid) associated with it. Share it here so we can investigate and identify the issue.
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Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic. Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played. There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP. Does "provably fair" apply to slot games too? I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have much experience with slots. I also don't know how many game providers actually offer provably fair games. I'm not talking about their internal controls and licenses, but a genuinely cryptographic provably fair mechanism, similar to what we have on dice or crash games, for example. 3rd party slot provider slots doesn’t support probably fair because most of them use RNG for the result. Slot provider only get a RNG certificate which they are using to prove that their games is probably fair but still it's still need trust since we can't check the fairness by ourselves. Slot games has a close source code. AFAIkK, some casino offers slot game on there house that offers real probably fair game. I forgot about the casino but I think it's from a web3 casino. That's exactly what I meant. Although game providers have certificates that their games are fair, we still have to take their word for it. Also, we don't know if it is possible for casinos to manipulate the games from their side, for example not to use the original but pirated (modified) versions of the games. I think I read somewhere about such cases. By the way, you keep using the word "probably" incorrectly. probably : insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt provably : in a way that can be proved Therefore, while we can conclude that the majority of Slot games are probably fair, this doesn't necessarily mean that they are provably fair.  |
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