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881  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 07:50:36 PM
Large new client incoming.

Hope everyone is enjoying the ride.

Now managing 200kBTC.

Who the fuck are you!?

God damn man! God damn!

A real whale.

Just pray for him cashing out slowly and gently, he controls almost 1% of the coins that will EVER exist.
882  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 07:49:01 PM


This made me LOL so fucking hard i almost peed my pants.
883  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Nice to be back, I did a little day trip to beautiful small mountain town called Ronda. So seems like we are going higher and rpietila still try's to talk crash here =) Well let bears be bears. Nice to see some real buying, been a bit quiet lately. When we break 1000 USD, there will be major media coverage. $999 is maybe a bit expensive while $1001 is cheap coins.

One thing rpietila said today:

"You know, we kind of decided that $900 is the cap for now".

'We decided...'?

Hmmm.... It's held so far.

Not for long.

They did already decide that we would have seen $300k by this year, and we all know how that played out so far Smiley

While $300k per coin in such a short time frame is plain and simply delusional (neither the infrastructure nor human psychology can support that kind of flash-growth), calling a bear market now is quite a risky move too. I'd say the truth is definitely in the middle: we won't see $300k per coin in the next few months, but we won't see either a bear market now that BTC has really attracted the interest of the real pro speculators and finance world.

This is no 2011, and the reason is simple: this time big money wants in, for real.

Funny, I wrote this before seeing the ATH. Fasten your seal bets gents.
884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 07:44:45 PM
4 digit in 3, 2, 1 …

We can finally agree that 2013 is no 2011?

In other news, I hope Risto tell us when he will hit the stop loss button and buy back.
885  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Nice to be back, I did a little day trip to beautiful small mountain town called Ronda. So seems like we are going higher and rpietila still try's to talk crash here =) Well let bears be bears. Nice to see some real buying, been a bit quiet lately. When we break 1000 USD, there will be major media coverage. $999 is maybe a bit expensive while $1001 is cheap coins.

One thing rpietila said today:

"You know, we kind of decided that $900 is the cap for now".

'We decided...'?

Hmmm.... It's held so far.

Not for long.

They did already decide that we would have seen $300k by this year, and we all know how that played out so far Smiley

While $300k per coin in such a short time frame is plain and simply delusional (neither the infrastructure nor human psychology can support that kind of flash-growth), calling a bear market now is quite a risky move too. I'd say the truth is definitely in the middle: we won't see $300k per coin in the next few months, but we won't see either a bear market now that BTC has really attracted the interest of the real pro speculators and finance world.

This is no 2011, and the reason is simple: this time big money wants in, for real.
886  Economy / Speculation / Re: sold at $600. what to do? on: November 26, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
This thread looks very oversold, do we agree on that?
887  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need to switch to mBTC soon on: November 26, 2013, 06:53:31 PM

Freebird, your point is valid from a certain point of view, because perception matters indeed - but you need to realize that this talk has been going on sice we first broke $10. At $10, a lot of people said that "internet magic money" that costed $10 "felt too expensive", as we just hit a psychological barrier - so the denomination should change to allow further growth. Same thing happened at $100, just use the seatch function on this forum: you will find many many posts as yours written when we hit $100, and those posts said that $100 was definitely a psychological barrier and "nobody" was going to want to buy a virtual coin for 100 hard earned dollars.


I disagree. While 10 or 100 bucks seemed expensive for "funny internet money", most people could still easily afford to buy 1 btc if they wanted to without qualms. 800-1000 $ for 1 btc is something altogether different. It's a solid chunk of most peoples savings or monthly salary, and these people will have a hard time psychologically justifying buying one unit of internet money they mostly don't understand at such a price.

If we want regular Joe to start using btc as internet currency we need to switch to mbtc as soon as possible.

Nonsense. Gold is "expensive" too, but still people buys it and use the denomination it best suits them.

I was one of the "we need exchanges to switch to mBTC" crew when I entered this game and I saw the rise from single digits to $266. Then I realized it's nonsense. People will naturally move to mBTC when it's convenient to price things in mBTC. The recurrent topic "we need to swith to mBTC" (really, search these forums: it's recurrent indeed) it's usually started by newcomers, and the only reasoning behind this demand is "because people will feel the coins are cheaper and they will buy more".

Having gone through that I can now say that it is a sentiment linked to having witnessed the price raising very quickly one or more orders of magnitude. We just cannot  accept that people will keep buying these "expensive" coins that grew in price so fast and so much...

But they will. Believe me.
888  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
Poor bears....

Better buy back at a loss now.

You know , when you were sprouting stuff like it's gonna fall to 40 to raise back to 200 , although I din't agree with you I spent my time reading your arguments.
Now , when you turned bull and we share the same opinion , I find you posts lack something .. or more of something.

I was just trying to troll a bit and be a contrarian Blitz, but I guess you are right and I'm spamming to much nonsense, sorry for that.
889  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Poor bears....

Better buy back at a loss now.
890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need to switch to mBTC soon on: November 26, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
I agree.  My wife's aunt said the same thing today.

Its still a need.

A solution is needed.

Anyone who claims this isn't an issue has no non-BTC friends or family.

Anyone who has non BTC friends or family that aren't loaded, has heard someone say "I cant buy in now.  Its too late.  Its too expensive".

LOL

this has been said forever.

BTC went up SO quick since its inception, that it always has been "too expensive" for everybody that does not understand that it definitely has the potential to go to +$100k per coin.

In 2012 and early-Jan 2013, $12 was "too expensive" because its price was $2 a few months before

In Summer 2013, when the bubble popped, $100 was "too expensive" because the price was $12 just a few months before

Now, $800 is "too expensive" because the price was $130 a few weeks ago.

WAKE UP, the "problem" is how fast it grows, "expensive" is a RELATIVE and not an absolute term. Your family thinks its TOO EXPENSIVE because they know it went up many orders of magnitude very quickly, and thus they automatically assume now its "expensive". Switching to mBTC won't fix that. To fix that you need to educate them so they understand what BTC could mean in the future.
891  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 05:06:00 PM
There is really no explanation needed. Market wants up.

Why don't you buy some then? No one with actual money is on the buy side, that is why market is not going up despite your wish.

Well, is not going down neither - in fact it went up since you sold your coins.

Sad
892  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [OPEN]Selling KnC Neptune - The Mining Club - .25 BTC = 17.85 Shares = ~63 Gh/s on: November 26, 2013, 04:55:27 PM
it looks like people has learnt nothing by the massive fuck up organized by the OP.
893  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 04:54:04 PM
900's being a real cocktease.

I really don't get the guys who pile their sell orders on $900. If you think it won't break ATH, just spread your asks below $900. If you think it will break ATH, just pull the ask and let the price slide upwards.

Really, placing an ask on ATH is something I will never understand, but people does that a lot. Never understood the logic in it unless its pure manipulation (inducing the market to think that the resistance on ATH is too high so the price can just go down).
894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 26, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
ordered 20 Neptunes...
Go big or go home motherfucker.....


You have to explain us how you did it because there is currently a 10 units limit per customer, at least for me (I tried too).
895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 26, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
ordered 20 Neptunes...
Go big or go home motherfucker.....


And when do you expect to get them?

That q1/q2 thing is really killing me. A 6 months time-window seem a tad too much for me.
896  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need to switch to mBTC soon on: November 26, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I think this kind of talk is ridiculous. You want to switch to mBTC just so the perception of value changes to the point that the public will be ok with buying again?  The client will switch to BTC/mBTC/uBTC for personal convenience, not to fool people into a perception of lower valued units.

Perception matters. I've been telling some people I know about bitcoin, and the $800/unit price holds them back mentally. They are reluctant to buy, not because they don't like the idea of the technology or think it has potential, but only because of the high price per unit. They compare it in their minds to the prices of stocks they buy. Nobody wants to buy a fractional share of something. The average small investor might be happy to buy 250 mBTC of bitcoin, but would not bother to buy 0.25 BTC because it feels like a ridiculously small and meaningless amount.

Freebird, your point is valid from a certain point of view, because perception matters indeed - but you need to realize that this talk has been going on sice we first broke $10. At $10, a lot of people said that "internet magic money" that costed $10 "felt too expensive", as we just hit a psychological barrier - so the denomination should change to allow further growth. Same thing happened at $100, just use the seatch function on this forum: you will find many many posts as yours written when we hit $100, and those posts said that $100 was definitely a psychological barrier and "nobody" was going to want to buy a virtual coin for 100 hard earned dollars.

Well.... What happened then?

While I think that the psychological factor has its importance, I'm pretty sure that you are overestimating that importance. Denomination really needs to be something based on convenience - people will naturally switch to mBTC because it will be much more convenient to price items in mBTC... But there's really no need for exchanges to list the price in mBTC, that "psychological barrier" is something that noobs feel when they bought in recently and saw how fast the price rised, so they think that the denomination need to change for the people to keep buying... And that's just a fallacy that has been refuted by history.

897  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
China isn't moving because the Chinese are asleep.

China is down -5.7% over 3 days.

Also the arbitrage is closed, which means that west will have to raise the price to $1,000 by themselves.

We are also more than 2x ahead of the long-term trend, which is a very extended position.

Bid/ask charts are quite tilted towards the latter. Especially noteworthy is the lack of bids $700+

Volume is low.


Ch00000000000000........

EDIT: the last one is pronounced: "irrational exuberance is running rampant in the forum, expecting price to rise based on previous rise"

We all know you are praying for cheaper coins, Risto - just try to keep it serious, right?

So your only serious if your blindly emotionally peeing your pants to the moon bullish, but if you compare some market trends and hint at being bearish your not?

-5 credibility for you.

What its not serious is to say that there is a lack of bids $700+ when he is an old timer and perfectly knows that having +30% of the total bids concentrated in the spread between $850 and $700 (which is LESS than a 20% spread) is extremely bullish and quite uncommon in the BTC market.

If you look at the depth we had months ago, usually 50% of the bids were 50% below the price - now only 25% are below 50% of the current price, and 75% are above.

This is one of the most bullish market depth scenarios we have seen in BTC, ever.
898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 26, 2013, 04:03:14 PM
wht is better pay with bitcoin or bank?

Always bank, getting rid of your BTC has historically been a mistake.

899  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 26, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
Guys, you are already paying the miners... But really, what's the delivery date? Q1/Q2? So you are signing up to a miner that could be delivered in June (Q2) and be ok with it? Or am I missing something?
900  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
are they scammers - or just some problems?

That's anyone's guess right now.

(edit: My guess is no, they're not scammers.)

does mtgox have problems? YES
could they have dealt with those problems better? YES
does their comunication suxx? YES

are they scammers? ABSOLUTELY NO!

as far as i know, there hasn't been a single loss of customers BTCs or fiat. mtgox doesn't hide in the dark or operates more or less illigal like btc-e and bitstamp. i wouldn't trust btc-e at all! even bitstamp doesn't earn more trust, than a few coins, you can afford to lose!

the only really trustworthy exchanges i know are www.bitcoin.de and kraken. next in line is mtgox and after that nothing for a long distance! if you want to trust btc-e over mtgox, fine! but prepare to see the operators running with your money. nobody knows, who they are!

Agreed that Gox has historically been the most trustworthy Exchange - but this does not change the fact that they are extremely illiquid and the situation is not improving... Occam's would say that they are running out of cash, which doesn't mean they are scammers - but is a call for problems.

BTW: Bitstamp has been pretty reliable too since August 2011. That's quite something in Bitcoin-land.
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