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941  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETN Electroneum whats your price prediction for Dec 2017? on: October 25, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Think this thread has been made 5x before. predictions range from 3 cents to 3 dollars.
942  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BELUGA PAY token sale on: October 25, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
Meh  I bet those companies know Shit about Beluga. And I bet Beluga is exploiting your ignorance on these matters. Anyone can claim to have a partnership with them.
I bet Beluga is an eastern european company.
943  Other / Politics & Society / Re: James Rickards: North Korea Thinks the US is Bluffing, It's Not on: October 25, 2017, 03:53:07 PM
Ofcourse North Korea doesn't think USA is bluffing they just tell that lie to their own population. They know very well what USA is capable of, but they also told their people that they are in the advantage and are superior in all forms. They are only using the US to unite the people under a common enemy that is not the state (Kim jong un and his friends).
Meanwhile the western media really likes to take advantage of the situation aswell and I think the US would be happy to engage in battle with N Korea given that they are constantly provoking eachother.
944  Other / Politics & Society / Plato's five regimes on: October 25, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
In the eye of this section being pre-dominantly focussed on chewed out philosophical debates such as money and happiness or the definition of relationships and virtue's such as luck. I thought it would be interesting to delve into a gem of greek philosophy which are plato's 5 forms of regimes. Which not only address certain types of government but also strike a finer point still revelent today as seen in the second form of regime of plato which is timocracy. Now in the ideal regime of aristocracy plato divides the population into categories based on the purity of their soul. Golden souls are the selfless types, the ones who have turned the mind into an effective tool of reason and logic and understand that money, power and other degenerative pleasures like that are a fool's pleasure. A person with a golden soul can be seen as a King philosopher, the ultimate governer who acts out of selfless interests and with purity of the heart. Making balanced decisions that may truely benefit all. Then there are the silver souls who can be regarded as a nations soldiers and enforce the rules set by the philosophers on the population with bronze or iron souls. Bronze and Iron souls are allowed to have property whereas silver and gold are not so in order to ensure these pure men do not become corrupted by false pleasures. The Iron and Bronze souls in return for their merit to sustain themselves, own land, produce goods have to support their ruling class.
A good example of a man with a golden soul who's accomplished in philosophy would be King Solomon.

Where am I going with this you might ask? Plato set the five regimes as inherently connected to eachother. Each following regime is a degenerative of the pervious one, democracy is the 4th regime and after democracy the regime would degenerate into Tyranny. Plato asumed democracy where freedom is the main good is also its slavery. As the poor classes become larger and larger a state very similar to anarchy starts to reign as people start breaking laws. The democratic man as stated by Plato is consumed by uncessary desire (sound familiar?)
The democratic man takes great interest in his money and all the things it can buy and does whatever he wants, whenever he wants aslong as money stretches his needs. There is no order and no priority. The degeneration of morals and ethics.

Now you starting to see why Plato's five regimes are still very relevant today. Where in democracy there is a rat race for riches and to be ''excused'' from wordly obligations to pursue pleasures and desire. Democracy then soon degenerates into Tyranny.

And in Tyranny chaos reigns, there is no discipline. Democracy was taken over by the longing of freedom. In Tyranny stability trough power must be maintained and along comes a champion that experiences absolute power, the champion soon transforms in a tyrant and comes closest to be fully lawless. Murdering and plundering at will. Such a man is consumed by beastly desires, whether rich or poor, his lawless actions ensure his claim of power and he becomes absorbed by paranoia in fear of reteliation for the many unlawfull acts he has commited. Eventually he becomes secluded, trapped within an envoirment like his house, trapped in his own fearfull mind.

How close do you think we are to this tyrannic event? We have already seen a democracy such as Turkey degenerate into tyranny led by Erdogan who has no problem accusing innocent of consipiring against him and is slowly turning into this tyrant as prophesized by Plato.

Blockchain technology and financial freedom to do whatever and where ever we want is clearly illustrated by Plato to be one of the urges for freedom which ironically is also our own slavery. Plato provides no solution and sees this as a natural effect where the uneducated masses driven by their wordly desires and urges for quick pleasure take over. The 5 regimes starting with the only one that could ever really work a selflessman who is wise and educated in philosophy aka the philosopher king slowly degenerates into illusionary governing models where the unwise and uneducated become imprisoned by their own actions and desires.

Is Plato wrong? Or are we indeed kidding ourselves? Is it to late to prevent a tyrannical event from happening? Where society slowly dissolves into Chaos? Are there better types of governing? Is this all natural order and such as the philospher king who is detached from wordly outcomes and emotions, who can remain rational and logical at all times should we do the same and watch as the world slowly burns itself around us?

We can see very clearly that democratized countries such as India where rapes are occuring astounding figures. In countries like the US where mass shootings, race violence and other events are a day to day reality. Where in Europe the spree of shootings and terrorist attacks seem to increase every day. Is this not the democratic anarachy like state that plato predicted any democratic state or country would end up with. Resulting in a need of order and the rise of a tyran?

Has plato predicted our doom? Democracy as most can agree isn't the best form of governing but it is better than most, is it? The second regime of Plato which is timocracy can be defined by the bronze souls overthrowing the philosopher kings, where now as opposed to the aristocracy the ruling classes are able to act upon individual pleasures and desires.
Which is a direct degenartive of the 1st regime where the ruling classes are supported by the plebs and cannot pursue individual interests and desires.
If we would stop democracy now we would most likely end up with a timocracy or a medieval kingdom fueled by feudalistic models.
If we don't stop democracy will we see tyranny reign? Will the world be nothing more than a race of arms, never ending desire for power, money and murder?


945  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Early signs of mass adoption are here on: October 25, 2017, 11:29:25 AM
Chase Bank invests in Bitcoin due to high customer demand, a lot of ICO's are starting to get funded by private/angel investors.
Several existing currencies/foundations such as Cardano are moving towards becoming a regulatory body within the cryptospace completely legalized.
Several others are also looking towards getting more legal support and make ICOs  a professional and serious business.
Regulatory bodies existing within countries like the USA, China and others are starting to take it more serious now that its a billion dollar market.


Though I don't think ICOs will last long and that this term will soon be upgraded and transformed. (Private sale - accredited investors only; public sale with finished product only).
Can't agree with the exclusivity but we still live in capatilism, that means concentrated wealth and opportunity.

There's going to be a big boom coming, there are a lot of copycats that will jump on board if a bank like Chase does.
I feel 2018 will be the year of corporate adoption, with 2020 being the most likely year for consumer adoption.
By 2030 the financial and corporate landscape might be unrecognizable comparing to how it is now.

I think Middleground will be found and centralisation will go hand in hand with decentralisation and soon it will be the norm of infrastructures.

What do you think? Cause I for sure find this scenario very plausible within a very short period. Get a hold of what you can really...
946  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: JP Morgan bought 3M bitcoin when dip...who should Jamie Dimon fire? on: October 25, 2017, 11:17:46 AM
Chase Bank announced about a few days after SEC announcement of regulating exchanges that they will be starting with Bitcoin due to high customer demand.
947  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BITTREX.COM 1.000.000$ disabled on: October 25, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
Should I be concerned? I started using Bittrex as my main exchange but now I keep hearing about accounts being locked away.. is Poloniex still good?
948  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Jamie Dimon forever be known as the 'Bitcoin Idiot'? on: October 25, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
Jamie Dimon is no idiot. He spread Bitcoin FUD for his company to be able to buy bitcoins at lower prices. That's a smart move. Fraud would be a far more accurate adjective.

that's one way to look at this scenario. but we really don't know what his real intentions are.
and yes, you can't call a person an idiot just because he gave his opinion to something. we don't know him personally so he might have reasons why he said that. at the end of the day, we're not giving him money to buy his food, right?

Hm I honestly don't think he has touched BTC, I think he's genuinely afraid of BTC possibilities
949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BEST ICO 2017/2018 on: October 24, 2017, 10:57:13 PM
nice choices guys, i recommend you to consider contributing to Pally app Smiley + there is a referral programe and if you register via me, I'd give you 50% of my commission!

https://pally.co

Meh, can't really see this market jumping aboard on crypto.
Also don't really get whats to decentralize, most people look on forums for these kinds of things or other sites. The whitepaper seems misleading aswell, how do millenials have no access to social travel? I traveled myself quite a bit and I never had any trouble meeting up with others (90'skid), if you stay at a hostel you can find someone there almost always.
Atleast the min/max cap are decent unlike most ICO's.
950  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: what will happen on: October 24, 2017, 09:59:58 PM
You can't, once you setup a bitcoin wallet your computer MUST run 24/7 if you don't it will create a subatomic implosion creating a blackhole tearing time and space apart stranding us in oblivion. The sky will fall and mountains will crumble. Don't EVER! turn of your computer! The consequences could be beyond comprehension.
951  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who is buying WAVES? on: October 24, 2017, 08:13:44 PM
i lost faith in waves after a lot of unsuccessful ICOs, i almost lost all my investment in tokens based on waves platform, i've invested 3 btc in primalebase ICO i got 1 PBT and now it's worth less than 0.7 BTC!!

I looked at the website and its no where near time to start such a project, maybe in 3-5 years. But not now. Renting office spaces for Waves/Ethereum? Sounds like something that gets 0 attention on the market.
952  Local / Off-Topic (Deutsch) / Re: Wir leben in einem Ponzi System on: October 24, 2017, 07:08:59 PM
Ich bin kein Deutscher aber ich kan Sie sagen das BCC ist ein Ponzi! Es ist ein Ponzi scheme. Und du must läufen.
Lauf wieder und komme nicht züruck! Ah Deutsch ist so toll es ist so streng.
Aber doch ich had dein post gesehen wan ich scrolle ware zu Niederlände forum und ich mag er sagen das est ein Ponzi ist.

So BCC ist ein Ponzi, und wann du ponzi's promote bist du auch ein ponzi! Bitte keine ponzi's.
953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Keep getting mysterious coins from Waves on: October 24, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
Well I checked but no.. couldn't find an outgoing pm or a reply on the topic. But I got a bit wiser on what it is.. don't know how serious it is tho..
954  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Keep getting mysterious coins from Waves on: October 24, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
First WavesDesk - which is apparantly a masternode program dividend token

And now PANTS.. anyone have a clue to what it is?

Wavesdesk was given away to users who downloaded the Waves lite client.  Pants was an airdrop that was on here recently. If you don't want em, maybe give them away to someone on here in your own airdrop.

EDIT - looks like someone may be using your waves address to apply for airdrops.   Cheesy

I find that highly unlikely, did you actually have to submit an address or was it airdropped by snapshot? (maybe I applied without remembering)
955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PANTS] Total Pants Token | AIRDROP *ENDED* | (Waves Token) on: October 24, 2017, 04:35:06 PM
What is this token? Just saw I received PANTS. Great I have not used the washing machine for a while. *laughs in underwear* (see what I did <?)
956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Keep getting mysterious coins from Waves on: October 24, 2017, 04:29:55 PM
First WavesDesk - which is apparantly a masternode program dividend token

And now PANTS.. anyone have a clue to what it is?
-edit-
Also Miner reward ?
And SXAS ?
957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Invalid User Id for Pos token website on: October 24, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
You're a newbie, they are restricted from their airdrop because anyone can create a 100 accounts and claim as much as possible. Registration date prior to August 20 or something needed for participation.
958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BITAIR ICO on: October 24, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Can I get your opinion on two ICO? Bitair https://bitair.io/affiliate-income/d2b1c320cb8713e01655fa5c326d5cf4_APWIivdCkA First ICO I see on coincheduele to be rated Platinum. And the other is Playkey https://playkey.io/en/.  Do you think there is a market for this?

Wrong section dude... Roll Eyes

Well it is beginners & help and I think he's a beginner and he wants help lol...  Grin

I could go look at the ICO's but i'm not interested at all. Please do dilligent research and if you don't know then just stay away and try to learn more, taking advice from others might result in a bad time. Most ICO's are absolute garbage and only 1% is actually good. So judging soley by the statistics just provided I will say its utter garbage most likely.

Check these things if you want to get in on them:

- Do they have a MVP, prototype or finished product >no = stay away.
- Is their team experienced in the sector they want to tackle > no = stay away
- Does it have real usecase, is there a need for this to be tokenized (can't they just use existing crypto's or fiat?) > no=stay away.
- Is there a demand? Does it solve a problem currently existing in the market? > no = stay way.
- Does the supply make sense? What is the min/max cap, does that make sense? (100 million never makes sense) (most angel investors don't invest more as 100k-300k to get the project going and still have enough incentive for the devs to actually make something so they can become rich.) > no = stay away.
- Do they properly address problems/solutions? ALSO WITH THEIR OWN PRODUCT> no = stay away.

If 1/6 = no then stay away. Cause honestly ICO's are a great way for these projects to make a large sum of money without any responsibility to do anything. TRUST is the only thing you have in these deals.
959  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Appreciating Bitcoin on: October 24, 2017, 03:57:19 PM
As someone who has tried Forex, I'm just starting to notice how awesome decentralisation really is and other reasons obviously.

- I can cash whenever I want
- I can move funds where and whenever I want
- I don't have to answer to some jerk who would love to see me fail so I buy back in 10x
- There are a lot of places I can already spend it (sometimes buy food with BTC)

I actually feel somewhat financially free with Bitcoin even though I don't have large sums of it.
960  Economy / Goods / Re: Blue Lotus Flowers on: October 24, 2017, 03:45:05 PM

Very cool, it can be used for Potpourri although it looks like in some places there are legal restrictions surrounding the plant.

You can also mix it up with a few other plants (rose peddles) + alcohol, mix some DMT into it and you can smoke yourself a joint of DMT. Look up Changa.
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